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pjcas18 : 11/26/2021 11:04 am
any surprises?

For me it's the Penguins and Islanders, I expect those two to be reversed (at least in the standings).

Latest Athletic power rankings (top 10):

1. Panthers
2. Hurricanes
3. Maple Leafs
4. Capitals
5. Flames
6. Avs
7. Lightning
8. Bruins
9. Oilers
10. Wild

4 of the top 10 from the Atlantic, 6 from the East. I think he stretched to include MIN over NYR or PIT just to keep it from seeming more lopsided.

other notables:
12. Rangers
13. GKs
18. Devils
23. Islanders
29. Habs
31. Senators


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RE: I'd just never seen that happen  
ColHowPepper : 11/27/2021 4:06 pm : link
In comment 15468323 pjcas18 said:
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Also, I viewed this the opposite way from some of you, not Panarin getting under Marchand's skin, but the opposite, Marchand getting under Panarin's skin. I expect Marchand to behave this way. No one expects Panarin to.

Anyway, I guess this gives some unique definition to Panarin "dropping the gloves" with Marchand.
To the extent your first para was directed to me, you'll note I said the 'game' got under Marchand's skin, not Panarin. If Boston's winning, he doesn't have to whine. Btw, pj, are you actually living in Beantown now, as opposed to an hour or so away roughly Worcester?
As to The Athletic's latest Power Rankings  
ColHowPepper : 11/27/2021 4:09 pm : link
as I said above, surprised Flames at #5, but to your point about putting Wild above NYR and PIT so as not to overload Eastern Conf, I'd like to see head-to-head stats for season so far East v West; be willing to wager from my gut that the strength of schedule (borrowing the phrase) is not nearly so Eastern heavy as that ranking projects.
RE: the Oilers look legit  
ColHowPepper : 11/27/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15468485 RasputinPrime said:...

Rasputin, was curious as to your focus on Oilers, went to your bio, don't think I'd ever looked before--cool info. Because of your 'Montreal raised' and your 'lawyer for the stars' (borrowing liberally lol), you might get a kick out of Netflix's 'Call My Agent' ('10 Pour Cent'), light, goofy, stuff with French film starts playing themselves in episodes that build their plots around them. Takes a few episodes to warm to.
RE: RE: I'd just never seen that happen  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15468496 ColHowPepper said:
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In comment 15468323 pjcas18 said:


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Also, I viewed this the opposite way from some of you, not Panarin getting under Marchand's skin, but the opposite, Marchand getting under Panarin's skin. I expect Marchand to behave this way. No one expects Panarin to.

Anyway, I guess this gives some unique definition to Panarin "dropping the gloves" with Marchand.

To the extent your first para was directed to me, you'll note I said the 'game' got under Marchand's skin, not Panarin. If Boston's winning, he doesn't have to whine. Btw, pj, are you actually living in Beantown now, as opposed to an hour or so away roughly Worcester?


I live in between Worcester and Boston, almost exactly halfway between them. When I moved up here I lived in Newton, a Boston suburb where BC is, once we were going to expand our family we moved out to the more affordable suburbs.


I agree with jfresh on this one  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 5:22 pm : link
no one can understand the pain unless you have felt it. And I broke my foot on a shot that is significantly slower than what these guys face. Granted I don't have their pads, but nonetheless one of the most courageous things in sports (IMO) is the shot block.

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JFresh
@JFreshHockey
·
26m
Kris Russell should wear a ‘C’ on his chest — not for “Courage,” but for “Captain” as he gets set to become the all-time NHL leader in shots blocked Saturday night in Vegas.
Scott Mellanby  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 7:52 pm : link
resigns as assistant GM in MTL.

I wonder what is going on behind the scenes. I liked Mellanby (as a player), but who really knows what exactly an assistant GM does.

I can't believe Bergevin lasts too much longer.
Sounds like a mutiny going on  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 7:58 pm : link
in VAN.

reports say locker room is split behind either Bo Horvat or JT Miller.

WJC  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 8:12 pm : link
schedule released.

USA is defending champs.

USA schedule

Exhibition:
12/20: Czech Republic
12/22: Finland

Prelim:
12/26: Slovakia 9:30 PM (ET)
12/28: Switzerland 4:30 PM (ET)
12/29: Sweden 9:30 PM (ET)
12/31: Russia 9:30 PM (ET)

if they move on:
Medal round
1/2: QF
1/4: SF
1/5: Finals
MTL rumored  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 8:42 pm : link
to be interested in Jeff Gorton.

Probably not for GM, maybe for a president role I'd guess.

some beat writers have said when Bergevin is replaced they will hire a francophone GM (of course they will).

and that's not Gorton who is an American.

I wonder if Scott is hearing anything.
.  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 8:46 pm : link
Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
· 38m
Hearing that Scott Mellanby had extensive talks with Habs owner Geoff Molson at first about becoming GM, then that changed to perhaps becoming president of hockey operations. But he was told yesterday he was out of the running. So he resigned today.
Elliot Friedman  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 8:56 pm : link
confirms Gorton and the Habs in discussion but not for GM.

Some rumors about Patrick Roy in the GM role. I feel like that would be a disaster, and only being mentioned because he's a Franco.
Gorton, Panarin  
ColHowPepper : 11/27/2021 9:11 pm : link
- Good for Gorton, seemed like an upfront guy, some balance, and an eye for talent, not that he didn't make his share of mistakes in the draft or his handling of a certain, high centerman draft pick

- Panarin should have been fined $10,000: the $5,000 max for his misconduct throwing his glove at Rat (and props to pj for the 'dropping the gloves' comment); and a 2nd $5,000 for butt ugly style points in his throwing motion, looking like when many of us were kids and girls didn't play/weren't coached in sports thus to say, eww, he throws like a girl.
Feel like the NHL season does not start  
US1 Giants : 11/27/2021 9:43 pm : link
until the playoffs.
Something else I have seen  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 9:58 pm : link
before (Bruins Canucks SCF - Alex Burrows bit Patrice Bergeron), but not in a while, former Ranger Brendan Lemieux bites Brady Tkachuk during a fight and is ejected.

Lucas  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 10:18 pm : link
Raymond is so good.

I don't think he'd go ahead of Lafreniere in a redraft or anything like that (yet), but man he can put the puck in the net.

if anyone from that draft moves I think its Byfield, injuries have stunted his development (which was probably going to take longer anyway given his size)
lol  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 10:34 pm : link
this is hilarious.

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Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
·
10m
#GoSensGo Brady Tkachuk on getting bit by #GoKingsGo Brendan Lemieux:

“It's outrageous. Kids don't even do that anymore. He's a complete brick head. He's got nothing up there.”
RE: Lucas  
Stu11 : 11/27/2021 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15468849 pjcas18 said:
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Raymond is so good.

I don't think he'd go ahead of Lafreniere in a redraft or anything like that (yet), but man he can put the puck in the net.

if anyone from that draft moves I think its Byfield, injuries have stunted his development (which was probably going to take longer anyway given his size)

Yeah he has been great
Him and Mercer are probably 1-2 in the Calder race right now. In a re-draft Mercer definitely goes top 10.
More from Tkachuk  
pjcas18 : 11/27/2021 11:16 pm : link
on the Lemieux incident.

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Bruce Garrioch
@SunGarrioch
· 41m
Brady Tkachuk here #Sens

Confirmation  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 10:00 am : link
Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
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4m
Mellanby was promised he’d be the next GM of the Montreal Canadiens. Ownership recently changed their mind. #Habs



a lot of dysfunction north of the border.
I imagine this will be a suspension  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 11:56 am : link


NHL.com
@NHLdotcom
·
1h
Brendan Lemieux of the Kings will have a hearing with the NHL Department of Player Safety on a date to be determined for biting Senators forward Brady Tkachuk on Saturday.
RE: Confirmation  
ColHowPepper : 11/28/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15469131 pjcas18 said:
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Andy Strickland
@andystrickland
·
4m
Mellanby was promised he’d be the next GM of the Montreal Canadiens. Ownership recently changed their mind.Habs

https://twitter.com/DarrenDreger/status/1464978670892761089
Thanks CHP  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 2:01 pm : link


wow:

Hockey Hound
@HockeyHoundShow
·
14m
Breaking News: The #SJSharks will be placing Evander Kane on waivers today for the purpose of sending him to the AHL.

“If” he clears that is, someone may take a chance on him.
Different topic… I’m really starting to believe that Ovie…  
tony stg : 11/28/2021 2:07 pm : link
… has a pretty decent shot at reaching Gretzky for all time career goals. A little less than 150 goals to reach him and Ovie doesn’t appear to be slowing at all. Got 18 in 21 games so far. He’s 36 now and I think he’s got another 4 or 5 years left in him. Will be interesting to keep an eye on, for sure.
RE: Different topic… I’m really starting to believe that Ovie…  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 2:10 pm : link
In comment 15469676 tony stg said:
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… has a pretty decent shot at reaching Gretzky for all time career goals. A little less than 150 goals to reach him and Ovie doesn’t appear to be slowing at all. Got 18 in 21 games so far. He’s 36 now and I think he’s got another 4 or 5 years left in him. Will be interesting to keep an eye on, for sure.


absolutely does, we talked about it in the other NHL thread.

if he stays healthy he will absolutely break it IMO.

Plus, given the changes to the game, scoring at this pace like Ovi is doing in these conditions makes him a better scorer than Gretzky regardless.
RE: Different topic… I’m really starting to believe that Ovie…  
BrettNYG10 : 11/28/2021 3:33 pm : link
In comment 15469676 tony stg said:
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… has a pretty decent shot at reaching Gretzky for all time career goals. A little less than 150 goals to reach him and Ovie doesn’t appear to be slowing at all. Got 18 in 21 games so far. He’s 36 now and I think he’s got another 4 or 5 years left in him. Will be interesting to keep an eye on, for sure.


I mentioned this before (I think), I gave him a 30-40% chance of hitting it five years ago. Would give him 65-70% chance now.

He's still 147 back of the even strength number. Maybe a 20-25% chance of hitting that?
Also lol at this  
BrettNYG10 : 11/28/2021 3:35 pm : link
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Brendan Lemieux scared of what’s in the vaccine while willingly consuming Brady Tkachuk’s flesh
.  
BrettNYG10 : 11/28/2021 3:38 pm : link
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The Canadiens announce general manager Marc Bergevin has been fired.

Assistant GM Trevor Timmins and Paul Wilson, senior vice-president of communications, have also been let go.

Big moves in Montreal.

Twitter - ( New Window )
Thanks Brett  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 4:04 pm : link
I guess that means Gorton to President of Hockey Operations. If he can bring the draft lottery luck with him I like it.

In other news....

Matt Murray went unclaimed.

Evander Kane on waivers as mentioned, and he's reportedly now really vaccinated.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/28/2021 4:06 pm : link
Can Gorton replicate the magic of getting the future Norris winner to demand a trade to MTL and win two consecutive lotteries?

We'll see!
Things are bad in MTL  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 5:17 pm : link
and not sure how they right the ship and it won't be easy. But at least we're not OTT. lol. And I like a lot of what OTT has in terms of youth.

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Ian Mendes
@ian_mendes
· 36m
The Senators won a single game in the month of November. They just waived their $25-million dollar goalie. And they’re in last place overall.

I think it’s time we started getting answers from upper management about the direction of this franchise.

https://theathletic.com/2980031/2021/11/28/mendes-its-time-for-somebody-other-than-d-j-smith-to-explain-the-senators-mess/?source=emp_shared_article
RE: RE: .  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15468366 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15468347 pjcas18 said:


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Mollie Walker
@MollieeWalkerr
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50s
NHL postpones #Isles games through Nov. 30, meaning their game against the #NYR tomorrow is off.



Ugh.

Not to turn this into an NYR thread, but Kinkaid deserves the call-up. I wouldn't trade for anyone yet.

I also think NYR twitter is totally overreacting to the Marchand stuff.


not sure how I missed this. and I know I'm biased because I think he was going through some stuff, but Kinkaid is the absolute worst goalie I have seen in an NHL uniform.

He backed up Price in 2019 and he was so bad he was sent to the AHL but he was even worse in the AHL so he was loaned to the Hurricanes AHL team, just to get him out of Laval. I think he may have even been sent to the ECHL (at 29 years old).

NYR need a backup goalie, they have all the makings of a contender and right now they are too reliant on Igor, I'd be aggressive in making a trade for a legit backup option that could carry the team (for small stretches) in case Igor has a short-term injury and IMO that guy is Jake Allen way more than Keith Kinkaid. I do know I wouldn't want to give Kinkaid a shot and then find out he's not the guy, who knows when that will be and what goalie options will be available.

I feel like I can conclude it's not Georgiev.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2021 8:47 am : link
Kinkaid played a few games for us last year and was fine.

Georgiev is just awful. I'd rather try something different.

Allen would be a nice get.
Kinkaid had a great run with the Devs the 2nd half of '18  
Stu11 : 11/29/2021 9:10 am : link
The year we made the playoffs. The year before and after he wasn't as good, but wasn't horrible. The year with the Habs was an abomination. Outside of that he can be a solid back up.
It's official  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 9:40 am : link
Fenway sports group will be buying the Penguins.

Lemieux expected to retain some ownership percent - not sure if it's just ceremonial or meaningful.
.  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 9:49 am : link
Pierre LeBrun
@PierreVLeBrun
·
7m
Believe the price tag on the Penguins' sale to Fenway Sports Group is around $900 million
@TSNHockey
@TheAthletic
shocker  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 10:27 am : link
NHL Player Safety
@NHLPlayerSafety
·
11m
Boston’s Brad Marchand will have a hearing today for Slew-footing Vancouver’s Oliver Ekman-Larsson.
haha  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 11:27 am : link
kick the guy on his way out....

Julian McKenzie
@jkamckenzie
·
3m
Geoff Molson says that if he could go back to when he first hired Marc Bergevin, he would've likely had another person working along with him.
I used to like Geoff Molson  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 11:50 am : link
thinking he was a solid owner, but "near elimination"? what kind of horseshit answer is that.

Ryan Szporer
@rszporer
· 44m
Montreal Canadiens owner Geoff Molson cites middling performance during the last few regular seasons and near elimination against the Toronto Maple Leafs in Round 1 last playoffs as reasons for letting Marc Bergevin go #GoHabsGo #THW
.  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 12:49 pm : link
here's your francophone....

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
· 29m
Based on what I've been told, Daniel Briere is very high up on the list of candidates being considered for GM of the Canadiens.
Apparently  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
an Eastern team is interested in Evander Kane.

SJS would eat as much as half his $$$.

I wonder which team. NYR trying to get more grit?
RE: Apparently  
BrettNYG10 : 11/29/2021 1:34 pm : link
In comment 15472615 pjcas18 said:
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an Eastern team is interested in Evander Kane.

SJS would eat as much as half his $$$.

I wonder which team. NYR trying to get more grit?


If they eat half and require next to nothing in return, I'd 100% do it.
RE: RE: Apparently  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15472620 BrettNYG10 said:
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In comment 15472615 pjcas18 said:


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an Eastern team is interested in Evander Kane.

SJS would eat as much as half his $$$.

I wonder which team. NYR trying to get more grit?



If they eat half and require next to nothing in return, I'd 100% do it.


same. And to be fair Kane is more than grit, he's the closest thing to Tom Wilson outside of Tom Wilson. Kane is a 50-point player and legit option on any line and can play specials (if he's healthy and in shape).

I wonder if somehow  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 2:31 pm : link
with the franchise sale Mike Sullivan can shake loose.

No idea how his team is competitive.

Jack Hughes is back practicing and will probably play at some point  
Stu11 : 11/29/2021 3:07 pm : link
This week. Devs have actually hung in there without him. When he is back they will be really deep down the middle with him, Nico and Mercer. Not to mention McLeod is a solid 4th liner and our best faceoff guy by far. Bastian scored last night. He's such a good fit next to McLeod, gives us some size and grit we were sorely missing. Johnsson-Mercer-Bratt Line on fire. Brat had 3 points last night and 14 in his last 11 games, Johnsson has been everything we hoped we were trading for before last season, 4 points last night. If the Devs were better and higher profile, Dougie Hamilton would be getting some Norris hype. 6 goals and a +7 in 16 games. Had 10 SOG last night. He's amazing for a dman in that the majority of his shots and goals come from between the dots and from the faceoff circles
RE: .  
Scott in Montreal : 11/29/2021 3:25 pm : link
In comment 15472455 pjcas18 said:
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here's your francophone....

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
· 29m
Based on what I've been told, Daniel Briere is very high up on the list of candidates being considered for GM of the Canadiens.


Patrick Roy's name keeps coming up to be involved in some manner. Be it GM or coach.

As a Canes fan I am fine with that. I don't think he will do well in either with the way things are done here in MTL. He hated the press here when he was a player I can only imagine the way he handles them as a GM or coach.
RE: RE: .  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 3:32 pm : link
In comment 15472897 Scott in Montreal said:
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In comment 15472455 pjcas18 said:


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here's your francophone....

Eric Engels
@EricEngels
· 29m
Based on what I've been told, Daniel Briere is very high up on the list of candidates being considered for GM of the Canadiens.



Patrick Roy's name keeps coming up to be involved in some manner. Be it GM or coach.

As a Canes fan I am fine with that. I don't think he will do well in either with the way things are done here in MTL. He hated the press here when he was a player I can only imagine the way he handles them as a GM or coach.


I read that just thought it was conjecture due to relationship and his fluency/nationality but then I read as of this weekend no one had (as of then) reached out to Roy.

As a habs fan and one who has met Roy (in the late 80's when he was still a god in MTL) for sentimental and fan reasons if they go that way I hope it works out, but he is not someone who would be on my short list.

RE: shocker  
BillKo : 11/29/2021 4:40 pm : link
In comment 15471947 pjcas18 said:
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NHL Player Safety
@NHLPlayerSafety
·
11m
Boston’s Brad Marchand will have a hearing today for Slew-footing Vancouver’s Oliver Ekman-Larsson.


That's a slew foot? I watched the replay 10x and have yet to see where their skates met.

Looks like Marchand just muscled him down.
RE: RE: shocker  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15473047 BillKo said:
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In comment 15471947 pjcas18 said:


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NHL Player Safety
@NHLPlayerSafety
·
11m
Boston’s Brad Marchand will have a hearing today for Slew-footing Vancouver’s Oliver Ekman-Larsson.



That's a slew foot? I watched the replay 10x and have yet to see where their skates met.

Looks like Marchand just muscled him down.


In fairness I didn't see it. I just wasn't surprised by the headline. I suspect if it's not a slew foot player safety will not fine him.
RE: It's official  
Greg from LI : 11/29/2021 4:42 pm : link
In comment 15471861 pjcas18 said:
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Fenway sports group will be buying the Penguins.

Lemieux expected to retain some ownership percent - not sure if it's just ceremonial or meaningful.


As if I needed a reason to hate the Penguins even more.
RE: RE: shocker  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15473047 BillKo said:
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In comment 15471947 pjcas18 said:


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NHL Player Safety
@NHLPlayerSafety
·
11m
Boston’s Brad Marchand will have a hearing today for Slew-footing Vancouver’s Oliver Ekman-Larsson.



That's a slew foot? I watched the replay 10x and have yet to see where their skates met.

Looks like Marchand just muscled him down.


I think a it's slew foot and slew foot doesn't have to be skate to skate, it just means you use your foot or leg as leverage against a player (usually not facing you) to lift them off their skates. it did start as when players would come up behind someone and kick their skates out, but the definition is much broader now. This video linked below is pretty damning. the VAN announcers commentary should be taken with a grain of salt but the slo-mo replay seems pretty damning to me.


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