NFT: NHL Thread: around 25% of the season is done

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In comment 15473047 BillKo said: Quote: In comment 15471947 pjcas18 said: Quote: NHL Player Safety @NHLPlayerSafety · 11m Boston’s Brad Marchand will have a hearing today for Slew-footing Vancouver’s Oliver Ekman-Larsson. That's a slew foot? I watched the replay 10x and have yet to see where their skates met. Looks like Marchand just muscled him down. I think a it's slew foot and slew foot doesn't have to be skate to skate, it just means you use your foot or leg as leverage against a player (usually not facing you) to lift them off their skates. it did start as when players would come up behind someone and kick their skates out, but the definition is much broader now. This video linked below is pretty damning. the VAN announcers commentary should be taken with a grain of salt but the slo-mo replay seems pretty damning to me. link - ( New Window )

Ok, so I learned something new....it's really slew foot/leg lol...

I did think it was when you literally swiped the skate in some manor to up-end your opponent.

definitely looks like a slew foot.

(Note 4) Slew Footing is the act of a player using his leg or foot to knock or kick an opponent's feet from under him. This is done by pushing an opponent's upper body backwards with an arm or elbow at the same time using a forward motion of his leg causing the opponent to fall to the ice.

In comment 15473106 pjcas18 said:

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(Note 4) Slew Footing is the act of a player using his leg or foot to knock or kick an opponent's feet from under him. This is done by pushing an opponent's upper body backwards with an arm or elbow at the same time using a forward motion of his leg causing the opponent to fall to the ice.

LOL...looks more like a wrestling move, bending your opponent over your leg!!!

gets 3 games.

where I agree the cliched change of scenery might be good for him.


Elliotte Friedman
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Hearing that BOS and Jake DeBrusk are working on the possibility of a fresh start for the player. Told nothing is imminent at this time, but something to keep an eye on.

Ryan Rishaug
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Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.

But if he played in the 70's up through the 90's we sure as hell would have found out. There would have been a price to be paid on the ice for the shit he pulls back then...not just in the league office.

In comment 15473195 Stu11 said:

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But if he played in the 70's up through the 90's we sure as hell would have found out. There would have been a price to be paid on the ice for the shit he pulls back then...not just in the league office.

What used to frustrate me is why don't we find out now? I mean players can and do fight every game why doesn't Marchand get called out or retaliated against more often?

and then i watched games more closely, he's a tough SOB, he does get it all game some games. Almost like Crosby.

He is also elusive, something that always took me a long time to learn, it's hard to square up against a smaller player- their center of gravity is lower and they are usually more agile.

I do think he's a scum bag, but in the old days a player who scores 80 - 100 points a season had someone do their dirty work for them. today Marchand does it himself.

Not defending him even a little, but I guess in a way saying he does get called out a lot and doesn't usually back down (not fighting per se, but with the physical play).

Absolutely laid him out. Here's the clip below. Guys do go after him, but the truly physical goons in the 80' s like Nick Fotiu or Gary Howatt would have taken a piece out of him.
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In comment 15473210 Stu11 said:

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Absolutely laid him out. Here's the clip below. Guys do go after him, but the truly physical goons in the 80' s like Nick Fotiu or Gary Howatt would have taken a piece out of him. Link - ( New Window )

Ha, loved that closing graf at the end of that clip, Stu, Marchand looking a bit woozy. Devs have fairly held their own with Hughes out, Ruff and FO doing a good job

In comment 15473148 pjcas18 said:

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gets 3 games.

So my question is, Suban has had some issues with plays such as this but has not been suspended......how does that work?

Probably discussed on our other NHL thread but I'm trying to figure it out. Is it simply Marchand's past?

In comment 15473266 BillKo said:

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In comment 15473148 pjcas18 said: Quote: gets 3 games. So my question is, Suban has had some issues with plays such as this but has not been suspended......how does that work? Probably discussed on our other NHL thread but I'm trying to figure it out. Is it simply Marchand's past?

no idea, I'm pretty sure disciplinary decisions are random.

Subban is a dirty SOB and should have also been suspended.

In comment 15473274 pjcas18 said:

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In comment 15473266 BillKo said: Quote: In comment 15473148 pjcas18 said: Quote: gets 3 games. So my question is, Suban has had some issues with plays such as this but has not been suspended......how does that work? Probably discussed on our other NHL thread but I'm trying to figure it out. Is it simply Marchand's past? no idea, I'm pretty sure disciplinary decisions are random. Subban is a dirty SOB and should have also been suspended.

Sure, random, but hasn't Subban had like three of these incidents including ending a player's season?

Random sure, but sure doesn't make sense.

but a suspension isn't like high sticking where intent is irrelevant, I think you need to be able to ascertain intent for a suspension.

On the Blais injury it looks coincidental, not intentional. You can even make a case Blais was as much a cause for the two players skates colliding as Subban.

but it's a judgment call, and I don't think Subban deserves benefit of the doubt but he also maybe doesn't have the same reputation as Marchand. Not sure.
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In comment 15473210 Stu11 said:

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Absolutely laid him out. Here's the clip below. Guys do go after him, but the truly physical goons in the 80' s like Nick Fotiu or Gary Howatt would have taken a piece out of him. Link - ( New Window )

I'm a big fan of physical hockey, game fighting and the protection of teammates, but I cannot stand the mandatory attack of anyone who dares lay a clean hit on any player. Drives me nuts.

In comment 15473300 Rob in Rockaway said:

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In comment 15473210 Stu11 said: Quote: Absolutely laid him out. Here's the clip below. Guys do go after him, but the truly physical goons in the 80' s like Nick Fotiu or Gary Howatt would have taken a piece out of him. Link - ( New Window ) I'm a big fan of physical hockey, game fighting and the protection of teammates, but I cannot stand the mandatory attack of anyone who dares lay a clean hit on any player. Drives me nuts.

same here, players should not have to answer for clean hits. but they do in today's game.

In comment 15473300 Rob in Rockaway said:

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In comment 15473210 Stu11 said: Quote: Absolutely laid him out. Here's the clip below. Guys do go after him, but the truly physical goons in the 80' s like Nick Fotiu or Gary Howatt would have taken a piece out of him. Link - ( New Window ) I'm a big fan of physical hockey, game fighting and the protection of teammates, but I cannot stand the mandatory attack of anyone who dares lay a clean hit on any player. Drives me nuts.

Agreed.

In comment 15473276 BillKo said:

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In comment 15473274 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 15473266 BillKo said: Quote: In comment 15473148 pjcas18 said: Quote: gets 3 games. So my question is, Suban has had some issues with plays such as this but has not been suspended......how does that work? Probably discussed on our other NHL thread but I'm trying to figure it out. Is it simply Marchand's past? no idea, I'm pretty sure disciplinary decisions are random. Subban is a dirty SOB and should have also been suspended. Sure, random, but hasn't Subban had like three of these incidents including ending a player's season? Random sure, but sure doesn't make sense.

The first 2 PK could and probably should have been suspended. He didn't "end Blaise season" that was a freak play by the boards where their skates came together awkwardly. Nothing remotely close to a slew foot. It's not about the benefit of the doubt. Flat out there was no intent on that play. Any neutral person would see it that way.

And Buchnevich, who unbeknownst to Marchand was right behind him, laid him out with an immediately following crosscheck that knocked his helmet off. That was awesome.

Marchand most reminds me of Ken Linseman, the Rat. Linseman was also a very talented player who was a sneaky, dirty piece of shit. Hence, the Rat nickname.

In comment 15473829 Greg from LI said:

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And Buchnevich, who unbeknownst to Marchand was right behind him, laid him out with an immediately following crosscheck that knocked his helmet off. That was awesome. Marchand most reminds me of Ken Linseman, the Rat. Linseman was also a very talented player who was a sneaky, dirty piece of shit. Hence, the Rat nickname.

someone posted that Buchnevich cross check above and the best thing is only Marchand got the box.

In comment 15473829 Greg from LI said:

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And Buchnevich, who unbeknownst to Marchand was right behind him, laid him out with an immediately following crosscheck that knocked his helmet off. That was awesome. Marchand most reminds me of Ken Linseman, the Rat. Linseman was also a very talented player who was a sneaky, dirty piece of shit. Hence, the Rat nickname.

Yeah great comparison. He was one of the fastest skaters in the league, but what a dirty piece of shit.

Gilbert Godfried reading Tkachuk's rant about Lemuix lol
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Fluto Shinzawa
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Brad Marchand on what he said to Artemi Panarin: "I said that no one in Russia likes him. So if that is now what is setting guys over the edge, then this is the softest league in the world." 1/2

Fluto Shinzawa
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Marchand continued: "And no one should be allowed to say anything. Because there's a lot worse things said out there than that. If that's what he's crying about, then it is what is is." 2/2

More from Marchand on Marchand....can't just erase your past of slew footing, cheap shotting, face licking...

Fluto Shinzawa
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Brad Marchand on his suspension: "I have tried extremely hard over the last four years to get away from the reputation I've had. I think I've done an extremely good job at that. I know early on I crossed over the line a lot of times. It's unfortunate that continues to haunt me."

Fluto Shinzawa
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Marchand: "I feel I've completely transformed myself from the player I was to a player that should be respected in this league for his abilities. I understand completely the history that I have. I just was hoping they would have seen past that. Obviously that wasn't the case."

That the Devils and Jack Hughes are close on an extension. I’m hoping for 8 years.

8 years $64 million.

In comment 15474692 Jay on the Island said:

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8 years $64 million.

Nice. Is he skating yet?

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In comment 15474692 Jay on the Island said: Quote: 8 years $64 million. Nice. Is he skating yet?

He's been practicing since late last week he's returning tonight vs SJ. Love getting this done quick. You knew it was just a formality once they drafted Luke who by the way is tearing it up at Michigan with highlight real plays. Devs are set up well. They have the space to leave lock up their young guys. They won't be big players on the UFA market but they've already struck there getting their franchise dman in Dougie.

cleared waivers.

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In comment 15474694 pjcas18 said: Quote: In comment 15474692 Jay on the Island said: Quote: 8 years $64 million. Nice. Is he skating yet? He's been practicing since late last week he's returning tonight vs SJ. Love getting this done quick. You knew it was just a formality once they drafted Luke who by the way is tearing it up at Michigan with highlight real plays. Devs are set up well. They have the space to leave lock up their young guys. They won't be big players on the UFA market but they've already struck there getting their franchise dman in Dougie.

We all assumed this would happen but I am so relieved that it’s done because it’s not the most desirable location. Now the Devils can turn their attention towards Bratt and Zacha’s extensions.

The devils would be wise to stay out of the free agent market as they also have extensions coming up in the near future for Mercer and Smith.

in Jake deBrusk so far:

NYR, VAN, ARI - per Dreger

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in Jake deBrusk so far: NYR, VAN, ARI - per Dreger

Potential returns?

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In comment 15475033 pjcas18 said: Quote: in Jake deBrusk so far: NYR, VAN, ARI - per Dreger Potential returns?

Not sure it's progressed that far yet.

I don't think they're going to give him away, but he's been disappointing so far, so who knows how he's valued. You can say he peaked as a rookie (for now).

And predicting trade value is something I am terrible at.

I read CAR in the mix too. Is there a trade mentioned where they are not in the mix?

gets 5 games for biting Tkachuk.

had an article this AM (Fluto) that was relevant to our discussion "What could a Jake DeBrusk trade bring the Bruins?"

basically it nets down to (who know?)

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.... Source No. 1: “I would think it’s more of a similar player needing or wanting a new environment.” Source No. 2: “(Boston’s) not going to retain salary. So a full-salaried player and a diminishing asset, maybe a mid-round pick plus a contract.” Source No. 3: “There will be significant interest. Difficult trade to make, though — high risk on both sides given the player’s potential versus his contract.” Source No. 4: “Whatever the market will bear. Interesting scenario. Might have to wait for (Brad Marchand) to return. (Anton) Blidh questionable?” In other words, anything could happen....

Fluto also said don't expect anything imminent
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NHL News
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#NJDevils sign defender Shakir Mukhamadullin to a three-year entry-level contract. The 19-year old was the club’s 20th overall pick in 2020, has 7 points in 34 GP this season with Salavat Yulaev Ufa (KHL).

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NHL News @PuckReportNHL · 17m #NJDevils sign defender Shakir Mukhamadullin to a three-year entry-level contract. The 19-year old was the club’s 20th overall pick in 2020, has 7 points in 34 GP this season with Salavat Yulaev Ufa (KHL).

Wow, I am shocked that this happened. There was reports just a week ago that he was close to signing a 2 year extension with this KHL squad which was obviously disappointing to hear.

about juniors trades, but it seems like the Canadiens pick from 2020 (Kaiden Guhle) is well regarded:

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Edmonton Oil Kings @EdmOilKings · 4m TRADE ALERT The #OilKings have acquired D Kaiden Guhle from the Prince Albert Raiders in exchange for F Carson Latimer, D Eric Johnston, a 2021 1st-round pick (KEL), a 2023 1st-round pick, a conditional 2025 3rd-round pick and a 2022 6th-round pick (PA).

Matthews is good at hockey.
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why they are for sale with the pre-determined relocation destination selected, I thought Quebec was next.

Hockey Hound
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Breaking News: @MikeOzanian
of Forbes is reporting the #Yotes are for sale, "with the idea of a buyer eventually moving the team to a new arena in Houston."

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why they are for sale with the pre-determined relocation destination selected, I thought Quebec was next. Hockey Hound @HockeyHoundShow · 20m Breaking News: @MikeOzanian of Forbes is reporting the #Yotes are for sale, "with the idea of a buyer eventually moving the team to a new arena in Houston."

Would be interesting. The situation in Arizona is such a mess, Starting with new ownership in a new city could be good. Not crazy about another sun belt team, would rather see Quebec get a team but Houston has always been a good minor league hockey town and hockey has definitely worked out in Dallas.

a "return of the whale" than Quebec or Houston, but I don't see Hartford getting another shot any time soon (if ever).

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a "return of the whale" than Quebec or Houston, but I don't see Hartford getting another shot any time soon (if ever).

Ahhh brings back memories of the trips up to the "mall" to see a few Whalers-Devs/Rangers/Bruins games with my buddies in high school. Great atmosphere for hockey on those days when the place was full.

In comment 15476842 Stu11 said:

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In comment 15476833 pjcas18 said: Quote: a "return of the whale" than Quebec or Houston, but I don't see Hartford getting another shot any time soon (if ever). Ahhh brings back memories of the trips up to the "mall" to see a few Whalers-Devs/Rangers/Bruins games with my buddies in high school. Great atmosphere for hockey on those days when the place was full.

One of the best hockey games I have ever seen live was Game 6 Adams division 1st round Hartford vs Boston in the mall April 1990.

Whalers were stacked: Francis, Dineen, Ferraro, little ball of hate (Verbeek), Ulf, etc.

Bruins had their stars obviously: Bourque, Neely, Wesley, etc.

Game was intense, some of the best hockey I've seen, it went into OT there was so many fights in the stands matching the on ice intensity. Whalers eventually won to force a game 7 back in Boston.

I was a fan of neither team so less stressful for me, but what an atmosphere and what a game.

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a "return of the whale" than Quebec or Houston, but I don't see Hartford getting another shot any time soon (if ever).

I would love to see the Whalers return but I am convinced that it will never happen.

In comment 15476943 Jay on the Island said:

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In comment 15476833 pjcas18 said: Quote: a "return of the whale" than Quebec or Houston, but I don't see Hartford getting another shot any time soon (if ever). I would love to see the Whalers return but I am convinced that it will never happen.

I agree

#12 on the list. It was before last night's game and maybe even the Friday game, but come the fuck on. And their underlying numbers have improved a lot lately too. Their expected GF% the last 8 or so games is top 5 in the league.

more teams than PK at this point.

Sabres PR
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The Buffalo Sabres have acquired goaltender Malcolm Subban from the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for future considerations.

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more teams than PK at this point. Sabres PR @SabresPR · 1h The Buffalo Sabres have acquired goaltender Malcolm Subban from the Chicago Blackhawks in exchange for future considerations.

He was once one of the top goalie prospects in the game. He flashed briefly but has obviously never developed as hoped.