Give up our first round picks to get a mid-thirties QB with a huge cap number running for his life because we have no draft picks or money to use on rebuilding our nonexistent OL?
You absolutely have to draft OL with two of our first three picks and get an ER or DE combo with the other one.
The Craig Morton comparison is spot on.
Why we would give up 3-1st round picks including at least two likely top 10 picks for a 33yo QB who will command $40m annually? Adding Russ still would not make us a legit NFC threat.
Hard Pass. The draft capital and salary cap implications are too much in that scenario.
If BBI existed in the 1970s, a bunch of fans would have loved the trade for Craig Morton.
Even without BBI, a bunch of fans DID love the trade for Craig Morton. The ultimate proof of how wrong they were wasn't that the Giants stunk with him at QB. That was just the beginning. The worst part is that Morton went on to win an AFC title in Denver. He wasn't the solution here, but he wasn't the problem either.
There are teams in the NFL for whom Russell Wilson might be the final piece in the puzzle. New Orleans is obvious, as is Philly if they aren't sold on Hurts. Washington, Carolina, Miami, or Denver could all make sense. Maybe Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Tennessee and Tampa if the bell tolls for Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Tannehill, and (it has to happen someday) Brady. I'm probably missing some.
The Giants? No. They stink, they can't pass protect, they have no cap space, and they need every draft pick to fill myriad holes. Aside from teams like San Diego and Kansas City with excellent young franchise QBs, there are few destinations for Russell Wilson that make LESS sense.
Wilson is in decline and not the player he was. He does not play well when pressured. Could you imagine him behind the Giants OL.
After giving up 3 Firsts and taking on Wilson's contract the Giants would be in CAP hell and not be able to improve via the draft. I am not certain that they could take on Wilson's contract without dropping some significant contracts.
To make matters worse he is only under conract for two more years
Wilson yearly contract through 2023
2022 $24,000,000
2023 $27,000,000
How years does Wilson have left ? Wilson will be 33 on November 29th. At the end of his present contract he will be 35 years old. Will the Giants want to resign him at that point?
I can't imagine trying to build a team around a declining 33 year QB
Unfortunately there are going to be Russell Wilson threads
to the Giants for months. And while his wheels are slowing down there is still a very good QB there.
But one the Giants cannot afford under their cap nor should even bother trying based on how the team is constructed (poorly). A new GM is going to need to use his resources and some time to build a new core here, and time isn't on Wilson's side...
The quickest route to contention for this team. He’s still a top 8 QB (he’s hurt right now), and would instantly turn around this floundering franchise. I prefer building a winner through the draft, but it’s not a terrible idea.
if Philly trades for him with their first rounders? Or will there be a meltdown? We should absolutely be in the mix for a HOF QB with another five years or so left in his career - the guy threw 40 TDs and 13 picks just last season. The games he's missed this season due to a broken finger are the first games he's missed in his career.
If they can swing the cap cost (I don't know how they would)
The quickest route to contention for this team. He’s still a top 8 QB (he’s hurt right now), and would instantly turn around this floundering franchise. I prefer building a winner through the draft, but it’s not a terrible idea.
Wilson would be a horrible idea. Pair what Eric said about Craig Morton and the Rich Eisen thread below.
1) Why would aging but productive superstars like Wilson and Rodgers(who will have a say in where they go) want to come to the Giants so they could have their heads beaten in and run a Pinto of an offenses?
2) Of course the Maras would want to do this since it represents the quick fix that they love and would, they beleave, give the fan base something to get excited about. Perhaps deflect some of the fans anger away from ownership.
Right out of the Jim Dolan NY Knicks playbook circa late 90s.
and trade for a new QB then I would rather go after Watson than Russ. Watson is only 26 and will be under contract for next 4 years. His contract would need to be restructured to avoid balloon payments (e.g. he is due $17M roster bonus in March 2023 which raises the cap hit to $42M), but he is the kind of guy that has proven he can produce and win games in the NFL when healthy. The biggest question mark is whether the NFL will put him on Commissioner exempt list or let him play while his legal drama plays out.
"Gettleman & Co. have built a respectable offensive line over the years. Weapons and protection wouldn't be a problem for Wilson there."
Yeah, right!
We have to address the OLine and edge rush, as well as maybe the quarterback. Giving up both first round picks and more makes that hard to do.
RE: If they can swing the cap cost (I don't know how they would)
He is an elite player and a allocation of cap space than any player currently on the Giants roster. Wilson is a plus even at his cost.
The no's seem to be informed by the Giants' past, which is completely irrelevant.
It seems like a much better option than combining picks to move up in a draft to pick a QB with several years to develop and a 50% chance of just failing.
In other words if you have a great offense of line and a good defense then you go out and sign the quarterback. But the Giants are far from that. They need to rebuild the offense of line before they do anything else. They also need to get a pass rusher
He can’t do squat in Seattle…..what makes you think he would light the fire in NY? Plus…..Giants are struggling to stay in the cap for 2022 thanks to all these huge contracts to mediocre players.
The amount of pushback on a Wilson trade is surprising. This team is in desperate need of a Quarterback on that level. In today's NFL, a 33-year-old QB can last another 3-5 years. It would be a no-brainer to pursue that trade.
I like Russ - he’s a champ and was inches from being a two time champ. He would instantly improve the offense dramatically. He’s in a different class vs Jones. And he would take some pressure off the line via his elite ability to improvise when plays break down.
On the flip side, he’s expensive, on the back nine of his career and the Giants need help in the trenches.
Four? Conerly, Tittle, Simms, Eli? We can all cherry pick different attempts to land a QB that ultimately failed - trades, free agents and draft picks.
He's already dealing with a suspect OL. This is a complete fuster cluck. Plus, this team is not ready to compete for anything. Will he make the offense better? I'm sure he will despite the OL woes. The problem is the defense is soft as Cottonelle. They need to figure out how not to get bullied in the trenches and make life difficult for opposing offenses. Wilson isn't solving that enigma.
Just no. Eric is spot on with the Craig Morton comparison (and to be fair, a LOT of Giants fans did not want him (he was not as good as Staubach, and was coming off a year with 185 completions out of 339 attempts (54.6%), 2,396 yards (fifth in the league), 15 touchdowns and 21 interceptions).
It didn't help that the two draft choices we gave up turned into Randy White (1975) and Jim Jensen (1976), though I doubt the FO at that time would make any decent picks.
The trap you run into is that the team only has 1 legit starter (Thomas at LT); you are going to have to draft heavy in the next three years to fix this and provide decent depth on the OL. It's not just drafting, it will take 2-3 years for those guys to learn their craft, and develop the cohesion necessary for a good OL...and at that point, a Wilson or Rodgers will either be out of the league or severe decline.
Mara selecting Gettleman was a disaster in that respect. Everyone knew at the time DG was selected that the OL needed to be priority #1, but it wasn't successfuly addressed (the most glaring example was picking Barkley when Q. Nelson was avaliable). I said at the time it would take at least 3 years to build the team back to contender status, and 4 years later things are worst than ever on either line.
The time now is to REALLY tear things down, and go all in on building championship lines on both sides the next two years via the draft. At that point, you can add a QB either through the draft or as a FA. It sucks, since we don't know if Mara is going to get a competent GM or not, but there is no quick fix, just like there wasn't a quick fix in the 1970's.
Craig Morton (and Larry Czonka) were quick fix attempts that backfired on the team back then, and the Giants NEED to learn from history, or they WILL repeat it.
The amount of pushback on a Wilson trade is surprising. This team is in desperate need of a Quarterback on that level. In today's NFL, a 33-year-old QB can last another 3-5 years. It would be a no-brainer to pursue that trade.
Wilson is a running QB and has way more "miles" on him than a typical 33 year old QB has.
I'd honestly rather go with Jones next year than Wilson, and I'm not a believer in Jones.
The amount of pushback on a Wilson trade is surprising. This team is in desperate need of a Quarterback on that level. In today's NFL, a 33-year-old QB can last another 3-5 years. It would be a no-brainer to pursue that trade.
The pushback is the cost. Basically the Giants would be helping Seattle rebuild, and buying maybe a couple more wins next year before plunging back into the abyss.
If the Giants had cap room, Wilson might be worth it at the price of a 2nd round pick. Definitely not 2-3 #1 picks.
Just no. Eric is spot on with the Craig Morton comparison (and to be fair, a LOT of Giants fans did not want him (he was not as good as Staubach, and was coming off a year with 185 completions out of 339 attempts (54.6%), 2,396 yards (fifth in the league), 15 touchdowns and 21 interceptions).
It didn't help that the two draft choices we gave up turned into Randy White (1975) and Jim Jensen (1976), though I doubt the FO at that time would make any decent picks.
The trap you run into is that the team only has 1 legit starter (Thomas at LT); you are going to have to draft heavy in the next three years to fix this and provide decent depth on the OL. It's not just drafting, it will take 2-3 years for those guys to learn their craft, and develop the cohesion necessary for a good OL...and at that point, a Wilson or Rodgers will either be out of the league or severe decline.
Mara selecting Gettleman was a disaster in that respect. Everyone knew at the time DG was selected that the OL needed to be priority #1, but it wasn't successfuly addressed (the most glaring example was picking Barkley when Q. Nelson was avaliable). I said at the time it would take at least 3 years to build the team back to contender status, and 4 years later things are worst than ever on either line.
The time now is to REALLY tear things down, and go all in on building championship lines on both sides the next two years via the draft. At that point, you can add a QB either through the draft or as a FA. It sucks, since we don't know if Mara is going to get a competent GM or not, but there is no quick fix, just like there wasn't a quick fix in the 1970's.
Craig Morton (and Larry Czonka) were quick fix attempts that backfired on the team back then, and the Giants NEED to learn from history, or they WILL repeat it.
I couldn’t agree more! Upgrading at QB now is like putting brand new shingles on your roof without addressing the rotted wood underneath.
I like Russ - he’s a champ and was inches from being a two time champ. He would instantly improve the offense dramatically. He’s in a different class vs Jones. And he would take some pressure off the line via his elite ability to improvise when plays break down.
On the flip side, he’s expensive, on the back nine of his career and the Giants need help in the trenches.
That comment about the OL was a real head-scratcher. Almost made me question the credibility of the article.
I think Wilson is one of the top three chicken salad makers in the NFL and he has at least 4+ quality years left.
So I would be interested for sure. He could be quite the hero restoring this moribund franchise. But with this ownership and management team, I could think of more enticing places if I'm Wilson. Like Miami...
The amount of pushback on a Wilson trade is surprising. This team is in desperate need of a Quarterback on that level. In today's NFL, a 33-year-old QB can last another 3-5 years. It would be a no-brainer to pursue that trade.
It's not surprising at all. Like ownership, a significant portion of this fanbase has lost all conception of what the modern NFL looks like.
Don Shula used him all over the field. I always thought Jeff Hostetler could have played a similar role for the Giants, but when he got a chance after a bunch of receivers got hurt, he looked out of place.
I think the guy the Cowboys drafted might have been Jim Jeffcoat. 😏
The quickest route to contention for this team. He’s still a top 8 QB (he’s hurt right now), and would instantly turn around this floundering franchise. I prefer building a winner through the draft, but it’s not a terrible idea.
It is absolutely a terrible idea. We not whiff contention for five to seven years if we traded several first round picks for Wilson. BUILD THE OL FIRST!!!
Focus not just resources but attention to the trenches.
Don't need a QB...yet.
If BBI existed in the 1970s, a bunch of fans would have loved the trade for Craig Morton.
You have to suspect CBS was paid off by Seahawks to drum up interest in Wilson. This is something Skip Bayless would say.
You absolutely have to draft OL with two of our first three picks and get an ER or DE combo with the other one.
The Craig Morton comparison is spot on.
Hard Pass. The draft capital and salary cap implications are too much in that scenario.
There are teams in the NFL for whom Russell Wilson might be the final piece in the puzzle. New Orleans is obvious, as is Philly if they aren't sold on Hurts. Washington, Carolina, Miami, or Denver could all make sense. Maybe Green Bay, Pittsburgh, Tennessee and Tampa if the bell tolls for Rodgers, Roethlisberger, Tannehill, and (it has to happen someday) Brady. I'm probably missing some.
The Giants? No. They stink, they can't pass protect, they have no cap space, and they need every draft pick to fill myriad holes. Aside from teams like San Diego and Kansas City with excellent young franchise QBs, there are few destinations for Russell Wilson that make LESS sense.
Nate Solder straight up for Wilson. Deal or no deal?
Wilson is in decline and not the player he was. He does not play well when pressured. Could you imagine him behind the Giants OL.
After giving up 3 Firsts and taking on Wilson's contract the Giants would be in CAP hell and not be able to improve via the draft. I am not certain that they could take on Wilson's contract without dropping some significant contracts.
To make matters worse he is only under conract for two more years
Wilson yearly contract through 2023
2022 $24,000,000
2023 $27,000,000
How years does Wilson have left ? Wilson will be 33 on November 29th. At the end of his present contract he will be 35 years old. Will the Giants want to resign him at that point?
I can't imagine trying to build a team around a declining 33 year QB
But one the Giants cannot afford under their cap nor should even bother trying based on how the team is constructed (poorly). A new GM is going to need to use his resources and some time to build a new core here, and time isn't on Wilson's side...
He is an elite player and a allocation of cap space than any player currently on the Giants roster. Wilson is a plus even at his cost.
The no's seem to be informed by the Giants' past, which is completely irrelevant.
Wilson would be a horrible idea. Pair what Eric said about Craig Morton and the Rich Eisen thread below.
1) Why would aging but productive superstars like Wilson and Rodgers(who will have a say in where they go) want to come to the Giants so they could have their heads beaten in and run a Pinto of an offenses?
2) Of course the Maras would want to do this since it represents the quick fix that they love and would, they beleave, give the fan base something to get excited about. Perhaps deflect some of the fans anger away from ownership.
Right out of the Jim Dolan NY Knicks playbook circa late 90s.
Yeah, right!
We have to address the OLine and edge rush, as well as maybe the quarterback. Giving up both first round picks and more makes that hard to do.
He is an elite player and a allocation of cap space than any player currently on the Giants roster. Wilson is a plus even at his cost.
The no's seem to be informed by the Giants' past, which is completely irrelevant.
It seems like a much better option than combining picks to move up in a draft to pick a QB with several years to develop and a 50% chance of just failing.
A five year window is an eternity...
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you should never pay attention to CBS about ANYTHING.
You have to suspect CBS was paid off by Seahawks to drum up interest in Wilson. This is something Skip Bayless would say.
😂😂😂 Eric for the win!!!😂😂😂
Decline as one ages
He seems like a great person but a lot of the hype around him is for extra curriculars not field ability.
So, he is good but the idea he is the best in
Football is ludicrous
Exactly.
Wilson would go from a franchise with a terrible OL that has no direction to ... a franchise with a terrible OL that has no direction.
And Wilson also looks terrible. This is like when two ugly kids stare at each other across the gym at a Middle School dance and say "Naw".
I like Russ - he’s a champ and was inches from being a two time champ. He would instantly improve the offense dramatically. He’s in a different class vs Jones. And he would take some pressure off the line via his elite ability to improvise when plays break down.
On the flip side, he’s expensive, on the back nine of his career and the Giants need help in the trenches.
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We need to find the next Russell Wilson
If BBI existed in the 1970s, a bunch of fans would have loved the trade for Craig Morton.
Indeed, and also would have loved giving up two #1s and two #2s for Fran "wins some he shouldn't win and loses some he shouldn't lose" Tarkenton.
“Nope. We don’t need him. He’s too old. Jones is better. Let’s draft.”
Sigh.............
Glad the Giants held on to all those #1 picks instead of trading them away.
The Giants have only drafted 2 franchise QBs in their history.
It's very, very hard to draft a franchise QB when you need one.
It didn't help that the two draft choices we gave up turned into Randy White (1975) and Jim Jensen (1976), though I doubt the FO at that time would make any decent picks.
The trap you run into is that the team only has 1 legit starter (Thomas at LT); you are going to have to draft heavy in the next three years to fix this and provide decent depth on the OL. It's not just drafting, it will take 2-3 years for those guys to learn their craft, and develop the cohesion necessary for a good OL...and at that point, a Wilson or Rodgers will either be out of the league or severe decline.
Mara selecting Gettleman was a disaster in that respect. Everyone knew at the time DG was selected that the OL needed to be priority #1, but it wasn't successfuly addressed (the most glaring example was picking Barkley when Q. Nelson was avaliable). I said at the time it would take at least 3 years to build the team back to contender status, and 4 years later things are worst than ever on either line.
The time now is to REALLY tear things down, and go all in on building championship lines on both sides the next two years via the draft. At that point, you can add a QB either through the draft or as a FA. It sucks, since we don't know if Mara is going to get a competent GM or not, but there is no quick fix, just like there wasn't a quick fix in the 1970's.
Craig Morton (and Larry Czonka) were quick fix attempts that backfired on the team back then, and the Giants NEED to learn from history, or they WILL repeat it.
Wilson is a running QB and has way more "miles" on him than a typical 33 year old QB has.
I'd honestly rather go with Jones next year than Wilson, and I'm not a believer in Jones.
The pushback is the cost. Basically the Giants would be helping Seattle rebuild, and buying maybe a couple more wins next year before plunging back into the abyss.
If the Giants had cap room, Wilson might be worth it at the price of a 2nd round pick. Definitely not 2-3 #1 picks.
It didn't help that the two draft choices we gave up turned into Randy White (1975) and Jim Jensen (1976), though I doubt the FO at that time would make any decent picks.
The trap you run into is that the team only has 1 legit starter (Thomas at LT); you are going to have to draft heavy in the next three years to fix this and provide decent depth on the OL. It's not just drafting, it will take 2-3 years for those guys to learn their craft, and develop the cohesion necessary for a good OL...and at that point, a Wilson or Rodgers will either be out of the league or severe decline.
Mara selecting Gettleman was a disaster in that respect. Everyone knew at the time DG was selected that the OL needed to be priority #1, but it wasn't successfuly addressed (the most glaring example was picking Barkley when Q. Nelson was avaliable). I said at the time it would take at least 3 years to build the team back to contender status, and 4 years later things are worst than ever on either line.
The time now is to REALLY tear things down, and go all in on building championship lines on both sides the next two years via the draft. At that point, you can add a QB either through the draft or as a FA. It sucks, since we don't know if Mara is going to get a competent GM or not, but there is no quick fix, just like there wasn't a quick fix in the 1970's.
Craig Morton (and Larry Czonka) were quick fix attempts that backfired on the team back then, and the Giants NEED to learn from history, or they WILL repeat it.
I couldn’t agree more! Upgrading at QB now is like putting brand new shingles on your roof without addressing the rotted wood underneath.
I like Russ - he’s a champ and was inches from being a two time champ. He would instantly improve the offense dramatically. He’s in a different class vs Jones. And he would take some pressure off the line via his elite ability to improvise when plays break down.
On the flip side, he’s expensive, on the back nine of his career and the Giants need help in the trenches.
That comment about the OL was a real head-scratcher. Almost made me question the credibility of the article.
I think Wilson is one of the top three chicken salad makers in the NFL and he has at least 4+ quality years left.
So I would be interested for sure. He could be quite the hero restoring this moribund franchise. But with this ownership and management team, I could think of more enticing places if I'm Wilson. Like Miami...
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We need to find the next Russell Wilson
If BBI existed in the 1970s, a bunch of fans would have loved the trade for Craig Morton.
Wilson is 10 times the player Morton was.
It's not surprising at all. Like ownership, a significant portion of this fanbase has lost all conception of what the modern NFL looks like.
Sure, Wilson would be the sauce that covers up most of the sins but eventually that would rear its ugly head at the worst time.
I think the guy the Cowboys drafted might have been Jim Jeffcoat. 😏
It is absolutely a terrible idea. We not whiff contention for five to seven years if we traded several first round picks for Wilson. BUILD THE OL FIRST!!!