Who Judge picks as his next OC will ultimately make or break his tenure here (assuming he stays another year which I think he will).
On that note, the Giants have not only missed on talent but also coaching hires, namely the coordinators.
Mike Sullivan - didn't even call plays under Mac
Mike Shula -didn't even call plays and was let go by Carolina prior to his hire here
Jason Garrett - Let go by Dallas as a HC but oft criticized for offensive playcalling and having an outdated scheme
Defensively
Spags - mixed results, I like him but I never really felt as if he coached up talent, he needed pieces in place
Bettcher - Sucked
Graham - Last year was good, this year incredibly up & down. Not terrible but not excellent.
I wonder how different things would have been if Shurmur was able to hire Stefanski & if Judge was able to hire Brian Daboll. Not that I think either hire suddenly makes each team a contender, but does Stefanski help win 2-3 more games and give Shurmur a third year? Does Daboll get more production out of Jones? I think so.
When was the last time the Giants had an absolute star at coordinator? A guy that just screamed HC in waiting. I know Graham was anointed that guy by media but I do not see it with him.
Just some thoughts I had this morning. When the talent lacks, and the coaching lacks, you get the results we have the past few years.
Who knew OC's turn what otherwise is a 3 win shit team into like a super bowl competitor.
I was watching the Detroit Lions off all things yesterday, and their head coach had this same brilliant insight of calling plays recently, and guess what ? The shitty Detroit Lions still looked like the Shitty Detroit Lions.
Who knew OC's turn what otherwise is a 3 win shit team into like a super bowl competitor.
I was watching the Detroit Lions off all things yesterday, and their head coach had this same brilliant insight of calling plays recently, and guess what ? The shitty Detroit Lions still looked like the Shitty Detroit Lions.
Who said that? You're making up an opposition to validate your point. No one is arguing hiring a better OC suddenly means you're a contender - but are we really disputing we wouldn't have been better off with Stefanski or Daboll?
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was firing your OC and hiring some guy that can draw all these gimmick plays to trick defenses. Execution and good talent have NOTHING to do with it.
Who knew OC's turn what otherwise is a 3 win shit team into like a super bowl competitor.
I was watching the Detroit Lions off all things yesterday, and their head coach had this same brilliant insight of calling plays recently, and guess what ? The shitty Detroit Lions still looked like the Shitty Detroit Lions.
Who said that? You're making up an opposition to validate your point. No one is arguing hiring a better OC suddenly means you're a contender - but are we really disputing we wouldn't have been better off with Stefanski or Daboll?
I don’t know. Every time Garrett called that jet sweep this place wanted his ass for it. Meanwhile I’ve watched the rams call that same pay and it results in like a 20 yard gain
Garrett wasn’t working in a vacuum. Judge was giving him direction. If the game plan sucked, Judge had at least as much to do with it as Garrett.
Have the Giants simply drafted badly or have they failed to develop their picks properly?
Have the Giants simply drafted badly or have they failed to develop their picks properly?
Excellent point, it is certainly both.
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was firing your OC and hiring some guy that can draw all these gimmick plays to trick defenses. Execution and good talent have NOTHING to do with it.
Who knew OC's turn what otherwise is a 3 win shit team into like a super bowl competitor.
I was watching the Detroit Lions off all things yesterday, and their head coach had this same brilliant insight of calling plays recently, and guess what ? The shitty Detroit Lions still looked like the Shitty Detroit Lions.
Who said that? You're making up an opposition to validate your point. No one is arguing hiring a better OC suddenly means you're a contender - but are we really disputing we wouldn't have been better off with Stefanski or Daboll?
I don’t know. Every time Garrett called that jet sweep this place wanted his ass for it. Meanwhile I’ve watched the rams call that same pay and it results in like a 20 yard gain
Rams have what's his face Cooks. And I'm sure their RT is not Nate Solder. And previously had Gurley.
Gilbride was an excellent coordinator for many years
Perry Fewell wasn’t exactly great, and maybe he was barely good enough, but he won a world championship
Overall it has been a lot of stinkers
It was 4th and 1. With backups in I guess he thought maybe he would trick them into thinking run. A little quick slant is not a lot to ask of any nfl player; no matter where they are on the depth chart.
Gilbride's offense was the best offensive system the Giants have had in the modern era. I've said this before and I'll say it again. I WOULD LOVE Eli to explain the Gilbride system and how dynamic it was in terms of what it offered Eli.
I've heard that it allowed Eli to change one or more routes to hot routes when he called the play at the line. That sounds like an EXTREMELY powerful tool in a QBs arsenal!