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Clintqb17 : 11/26/2021 3:33 pm
Is what? We know the O-line sucks. I’m struggling because I think he is better than what he has shown. It’s hard to play at a high level when your line gets pushed into your face on every play. Do we draft another QB? Do we trade our first round picks for Watson or Wilson? Do we stick with DJ and draft two O-linemen?
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He's a quarterback that you can hang a few things on  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/26/2021 3:43 pm : link
He has super fast straight line speed. He's accurate when given time in that you don't see Zach Wilson like throws into the dirt. He can go through his progressions and read both sides of the field. He can lead his team to victory in the 4th quarter. A good coaching staff would be able to do something with this.

He seems to have poor 'pocket awareness' but how much is this a function of a rusher o'laying Hernandez for the sack in 2 seconds in a 3 man rush with Garett 3 man route concept of milling around next to each other? Again raises the question of coaching.
He will be a solid backup QB in this league...  
EricJ : 11/26/2021 3:44 pm : link
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He'll be  
Scooter185 : 11/26/2021 3:45 pm : link
Coming in for mop up duty like we saw Bortles spell Brady on MNF. Just a matter of for who and if it's in 22 or 23
DJ  
Nick in NH : 11/26/2021 3:47 pm : link
I think you hit things on the head regarding the OL. Looking back at his rookie year, he has shown accuracy and ability to produce. Second year, he showed his ability to run although he got injured and missed a few games. This year unfortunately he has not produced other than the NO game, with dismal # of TDs. This seems to make no sense in light of the offensive weapons added this year (Toney and Golliday), but I think those weapons are not being used properly and effectively.
Physically he looks the part and has shown he has the arm skills, but it seems like he has not been used well. He looked especially out of whack vs TB last Monday. Perhaps this week's jettisoning of Jason Garrett will help, but I think it is a mistake to think that he is not our QB of the future and we look to draft a QB early, or even worse, draft a QB with legal issues or too many miles on the odometer. Patience is needed, and hopefully he can show us something over the remaining games.
DJ is tough and athletic  
markky : 11/26/2021 3:50 pm : link
but he does not show the natural feel or instincts for the position that others have.
- reading the defense pre and post snap
- making adjustments
- going through his progressions
- moving around in the pocket
- extending plays

the OL sucks. but DJ hasn't shown the ability to cover for the OL or make the OL better.

I project him to be a career backup. or a starter for a team that starts the season 3-7.

I hope I'm wrong. He's such an easy guy to root for.
flipping nickels on the bench  
islander1 : 11/26/2021 3:53 pm : link
should make a nice career as a serviceable backup.
80% chance he is not the future QB  
Vanzetti : 11/26/2021 3:53 pm : link
But remember Eli looked like crap in 2006 and then led the league in turnovers during the 2007 regular season.

Then he became a different QB in the playoffs. You never know when the light is going to go on for a guy.
OBJ's dad  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/26/2021 3:59 pm : link
put together a great video of Mayfield missing wide open OBJ all the time. Has anyone put together a similar video for Jones? Maybe Golden Tate's dad should have thought of it.
He is…..  
thrunthrublue : 11/26/2021 4:08 pm : link
And has been smaller than the game at his qb position…..his losing record, the amount of sacks,fumbles,turnovers has him rattled, shell shocked. He may or may not recover but even with recovery it does not seem likely his high draft value will ever be realized, especially on this last place team with an inferior offensive line. A new GM needs to evaluate the 2022 nyg from top to bottom and cut away all the losers.
Well whatever happens  
bluewave : 11/26/2021 4:13 pm : link
I think we're going to get a better look at his abilities in the next 7 weeks!
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/26/2021 4:27 pm : link
A backup QB somewhere down the road.
Wouldn't shock if they got rid of Jones  
ghost718 : 11/26/2021 4:29 pm : link
and he went on to have success elsewhere

Wouldn't be the first time we've seen a quarterback leave the wastelands and proceed to leave his critics dumbfounded.
Hard to say  
dancing blue bear : 11/26/2021 4:41 pm : link
I have seen him do the things you want to see from your qb in spurts. Hardworking, tough, throws a nice ball, can be very accurate, fearless in the pocket and on the run (sometimes to a fault). The pocket presence improved this year as well as looking off safeties etc. turnovers have gotten better. He has shown improvement every year. those are good things

Just maddening inconsistencies. All these young guys are inconsistent, but his seems slow to smooth out. The lack of production in the red zone is concerning too. Now that can also be a team stat, but it is a huge problem.

Not making an excuse but these are realities IMO. The offense and playcalling has been bad. That's gone now, so it will be interesting to see if that changes things.

The Oline is not good. especially with AT out. Sucks about shane and Gates. I don't know how Solder is still starting. WH is a low end starter. Weapons have been in and out of the lineup. This is shit that happens in the NFL and has to be overcome by the QB and coaching.

Anyway the future. Be curious to see what happens the next few weeks. Do we see marked improvement or more of the same.

Either way, I think Jones is back for his 4th year (unless everyone is gone -GM, coach etc)

Giants should def draft a QB if they find one they like, that meets value. I won;t pretend to know what the college QB crop looks like. You can find plenty on here that will pretend to know. The "Buzz" is there is not I really high end prospect. IDK, but there is 7 rounds. grab at least a developmental guy.

RE: He will be a solid backup QB in this league...  
Route 9 : 11/26/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15467688 EricJ said:
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Yeah. Solid. By not playing.

But seriously. LA, KC or GB could get him and plug him in for one or two games and be very useful.
RE: Well whatever happens  
Sammo85 : 11/26/2021 5:32 pm : link
In comment 15467716 bluewave said:
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I think we're going to get a better look at his abilities in the next 7 weeks!


This is a fallacy I keep seeing get repeated really and it couldn’t be more wrong. He needs to be able to show he can beat the best teams and good defenses. The next 7 weeks can’t be seen in a vacuum and really only mean something if he goes berserk in a good way and it just buys him a reservation ticket for one more year for training camp next year.

Also I don’t agree with poster who said Jones reads his progressions and both sides of the field. If anything it is a huge problem with Jones still in Yr 3. He missed a lot of open receivers against the Bucs when he had plenty of time. Didn’t even look in some directions. It’s why I don’t buy the “blame Garrett” mantra right now on lack of targets for Golladay. Toney and Shep get targeted constantly when they are playing. Jones is ignoring him in a lot of reads and probably because he’s not trusting the separation or lack thereof with certain receivers.
His future  
BlueManCrew : 11/26/2021 5:36 pm : link
Is up in the air. Kitchens was able to make Baker look really good calling the plays in cleveland when he replaced hue, if he does the same here he might be our starter once again. If they blow up the whole staff, a new coach and gm will probably want their own guy. They could also sign a vet this off-season and make jones compete.
Lots of scenarios that could unfold.
Giants failed him  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/26/2021 5:42 pm : link
I don’t see a championship QB but he would be seen better with more talent around him.

At this position point I think he needs a fresh start. Maybe he progresses to be a middling starter but he was really bad in Tamps and his body language was worse.

He gets the rest of the year to see if you consider year 4. I think they are going to open things up and if he becomes turnover DJ Judge is going to use that to leverage his own position as HC.
A thought on ignoring receivers  
dancing blue bear : 11/26/2021 5:45 pm : link


Also I don’t agree with poster who said Jones reads his progressions and both sides of the field. If anything it is a huge problem with Jones still in Yr 3. He missed a lot of open receivers against the Bucs when he had plenty of time. Didn’t even look in some directions. It’s why I don’t buy the “blame Garrett” mantra right now on lack of targets for Golladay. Toney and Shep get targeted constantly when they are playing. Jones is ignoring him in a lot of reads and probably because he’s not trusting the separation or lack thereof with certain receivers. [/quote]

plays are designed a certain way. Against a certain look the progression is pre dtermined. against a difference look the progression may be in a different order.

The problem , IMO, is Golloday should be the first option 7-10 times a game. We should all agree on this. we got him, we paid him, he's healthy and on the feild now. throw him the ball. FIRST read at least 7 times a game. he should end up in the 10-12 target range. again. IMO


So even if as you contend, Jones doesn't get through his reads, it should not matter visi a vis KG. There should be offense designed to get him the ball. PERIOD. they should design plays for Toney and Barkley as well. specific for them. AS The first read, designed with their skillset in mind
It will not matter  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 11/26/2021 5:46 pm : link
who is the QB until we have a decent OL. The next draft should be all about the OL with one Edge rusher somewhere in the top three rounds.
And, Please,  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 11/26/2021 5:47 pm : link
no talk of trading first round picks for Russell Wilson who is clearly on the back end of his career.
He isn’t the answer, but he is who is there  
Giants73 : 11/26/2021 5:48 pm : link
Have to correct the schemes and teach the offensive linemen who they are supposed to block. Take a 4th round flier next year on a smart QB. Hand it over to him in two years while the line is being corrected then figure out who can be the next QB. 8 mil for Jones next year is the best option. The job will be more lucrative to a big time QB, or the Giants can be in position again to take a QB high. Best case Jones figures it out and you tag him, worse case the pieces are there for around a new qb whether it be a rookie or a vet. Worrying about Jones anymore is useless. He may not be good, but neither is the scheme or blocking.
giants have to add competition for him  
hassan : 11/26/2021 5:57 pm : link
while addressing edge o line te rb and ilb. i would draft all these positions in bpa mode and just methodically improve the team-unfortunately smells
like a two year job at best. if he is this level of player next offseason sign him to an appropriate contract or let him walk.
Hassan  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/26/2021 6:16 pm : link
Agree BPA. Sadly, very few of the players present will be on the next good team. For this reason I think attention should focus on Judge and if he deserves that patience. 2-2 with remaining division games is a start to consider that. If he can’t accomplish this I’m not trusting him to win a Super Bowl one day.
lines  
hassan : 11/26/2021 6:26 pm : link
bpa, best coaches and best gm should be the mantra. before even deciding on jones, decide on a damn identity. there is no coherent philosophy. the one they preach is a 1986 dinosaur that won’t work today and they haven’t even drafted well to realize it.

get modern, understand the cap. the pieces are ill fitting and commit to a proper full rebuild. i would attempt to find a better player at every position. may be the case only 5-7 giants remain on team by next playoff run. thomas, toney, mckinney, ojulari, dexter lawrence might be those guys. everyone else smells like they will be gone.
I just saw Josh Allen stare down one receiver  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/26/2021 6:29 pm : link
running a whip route (which is not a quick developing route) in the end zone, for a TD. Of course it was Steffon Diggs getting 10 feet of separation.
Like many have said  
Beer Man : 11/26/2021 8:16 pm : link
the team used too much draft collateral on the skilled positions and has failed to fix the trenches. A team can put the best skilled players in the NFL on the field, but if they can't block for them then they will go nowhere.
Jones reads the field well?  
Mike from Ohio : 11/26/2021 8:29 pm : link
That is certainly not an opinion I hear of him often. Every game you can find two of three plays where a guy is open and he never even looks that way.

He is a guy who doesn’t read a defense well and has little pocket awareness. He is a good QB when the defense is in the exact scheme he expects and his first read gets open. In those instances he delivers a nice ball. But when the defense disguises or mixes up the look on him, or his first read is not open? Panic sets in and he either runs, makes an ill advised throw, or takes a sack.
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Go Terps : 11/26/2021 8:59 pm : link
Jones's future is a headset and a baseball cap.
Let the Jets  
xman : 11/26/2021 9:14 pm : link
have him
He just doesn't score points  
Vanzetti : 11/26/2021 9:16 pm : link
Same was true at Duke.

He makes some nice passes, makes plays with his legs. But then the drive stalls.
He'll be selling stocks or insurance if he keeps this up  
90.Cal : 11/26/2021 9:31 pm : link
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He's a one read QB  
US1 Giants : 11/26/2021 9:33 pm : link
and a backup.
RE: Jones reads the field well?  
Giants73 : 11/26/2021 10:03 pm : link
In comment 15467908 Mike from Ohio said:
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That is certainly not an opinion I hear of him often. Every game you can find two of three plays where a guy is open and he never even looks that way.

He is a guy who doesn’t read a defense well and has little pocket awareness. He is a good QB when the defense is in the exact scheme he expects and his first read gets open. In those instances he delivers a nice ball. But when the defense disguises or mixes up the look on him, or his first read is not open? Panic sets in and he either runs, makes an ill advised throw, or takes a sack.


Now while Jones is not good. Can really not tell if he reads the defense well, how often does he have time to survey the field, it is usually a look and he has to get rid of it. Plus, the route concepts have been weak. Don’t see anything that shows he can be good, but his circumstances also dictate that. Fixation on him being the main problem is completely wrong, giants need to use the first four picks on ol, Er, a fast LB who can play downhill
His future?  
joeinpa : 11/26/2021 10:27 pm : link
He will bet the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants in 2022
RE: His future?  
Sean : 11/26/2021 10:34 pm : link
In comment 15467976 joeinpa said:
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He will bet the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants in 2022

Why speak in an absolute? How do you know this? There very well might be a GM from the outside, what if Jones continues to play like he did last week? He just automatically gets next year?

I wouldn’t be so sure.
RE: He just doesn't score points  
Route 9 : 11/26/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15467940 Vanzetti said:
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Same was true at Duke.

He makes some nice passes, makes plays with his legs. But then the drive stalls.


Exactly.

The drive I'll always remember him for is the one against Pittsburgh in week 1 of the 2020 season. Jones moved the ball so well from inside the Giants own 5, something like 19 play drive and gets the team inside the redzone and makes a dumbass fucking throw that gets picked off by Cameron Heyward.

That one pissed me the fuck off so much. Make every excuse you want in the book but that's why this team barely ever wins games.

Yeah that's great he was the prom King, was respectful of his father in his younger years and has an iron smile but he's not good. You can play smart all you want trying to question the truth. That's what it is. See Mr. Philosophical Question post above.

What is knowledge?
RE: His future?  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/26/2021 11:26 pm : link
In comment 15467976 joeinpa said:
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He will bet the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants in 2022


What will the wager be?...

;)
I think he could have a nice 12 year career  
State Your Name : 11/27/2021 5:47 am : link
As a clipboard holder somewhere.
Giants should trade him next year?  
joe48 : 11/27/2021 6:20 am : link
Giants are wasting away his career. Coaches have done little to develop him. They run out and get a supporting cast that cannot stay on the field due to injuries. This team is a disaster for a young quarterback. Do the kid a favor and get him away from this dysfunctional ownership so he can reach his potential.
I hope that Jones plays well enough the last 7 games....  
Jim in Tampa : 11/27/2021 8:35 am : link
so that there will be a QB-needy team stupid enough to offer a decent draft package, because they think that they can "fix" Jones.

Sorta like the Jets did when they traded Darnold for a 6 (2021), a 2 and a 4 (2022).
Even if you like Jones..  
Sean : 11/27/2021 9:26 am : link
The Giants missed their window to win with him. It’s better to reset the clock with another rookie.
His future is murky at best...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/27/2021 9:37 am : link
If a new GM sees a QB worth drafting in 2022 then Jones could be traded this offseason or basically left as a dead-man walking as part of roster rebuild until a new QB is able to start games.

In any case, even with some improvement in his game from here to end of the year, Jones' hopes of getting a second contract from Giants is probably gone. And any franchise tag thoughts down the road looks more like a hail mary at this point...
RE: Well whatever happens  
Batenhorst7 : 11/27/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15467716 bluewave said:
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I think we're going to get a better look at his abilities in the next 7 weeks!


he was handicapped by an OC who is a Dallas Cowboy fan, and a RB who reminds me of Dayne for No Gain

Hopefully Freddy is ready and Booker gets his job back
RE: He'll be  
Ivan15 : 11/27/2021 10:53 am : link
In comment 15467692 Scooter185 said:
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Coming in for mop up duty like we saw Bortles spell Brady on MNF. Just a matter of for who and if it's in 22 or 23


Do you mean Gabbert?
RE: Giants should trade him next year?  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/27/2021 11:15 am : link
In comment 15468068 joe48 said:
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Giants are wasting away his career. Coaches have done little to develop him. They run out and get a supporting cast that cannot stay on the field due to injuries. This team is a disaster for a young quarterback. Do the kid a favor and get him away from this dysfunctional ownership so he can reach his potential.

Archie Manning would pull a Eli Manning if the Giants tried to draft Arch Manning.
RE: RE: His future?  
joeinpa : 11/27/2021 11:27 am : link
In comment 15467978 Sean said:
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In comment 15467976 joeinpa said:


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He will bet the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants in 2022


Why speak in an absolute? How do you know this? There very well might be a GM from the outside, what if Jones continues to play like he did last week? He just automatically gets next year?

I wouldn’t be so sure.


Sean, most every post on this thread is stated-as an absolute

Just my opinion, that the odds favor him being the quarterback next season
Funny how Colt McCoy  
JohnF : 11/27/2021 11:55 am : link
was below average with bad teams like WFT and the Giants, but is tearing it up in Arizona. Must be the waters, eh?

Is Jones any good? There's no way to tell with a bad team like the Giants. I'm not saying he's perfect, or even above average, but this situation here is horrible for any QB.

The line stinks as bad as the playcalling was under Garrett, and you can't keep your WR's/Stad RB on the field. Until that is resolved, you're not going to get good QB play here.
Star RB  
JohnF : 11/27/2021 11:56 am : link
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RE: RE: He'll be  
Scooter185 : 11/27/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15468190 Ivan15 said:
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In comment 15467692 Scooter185 said:


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Coming in for mop up duty like we saw Bortles spell Brady on MNF. Just a matter of for who and if it's in 22 or 23



Do you mean Gabbert?


I got Blaine and Blake mixed up lol. Although Bortles did come in recently too for garbage time
RE: Funny how Colt McCoy  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/27/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15468220 JohnF said:
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was below average with bad teams like WFT and the Giants, but is tearing it up in Arizona. Must be the waters, eh?

Is Jones any good? There's no way to tell with a bad team like the Giants. I'm not saying he's perfect, or even above average, but this situation here is horrible for any QB.

The line stinks as bad as the playcalling was under Garrett, and you can't keep your WR's/Stad RB on the field. Until that is resolved, you're not going to get good QB play here.

They run an air raid offense which is essentially a simplified college style offense, not surprising a prototypical college QB like McCoy does well in it. Wouldn't be shocked if he ran it in college.

We probably tried to run a pro style pre-snap read adjustment motion chess match post snap two sides of the field 5 receiver progression with him.
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