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Clintqb17 : 11/26/2021 3:33 pm
Is what? We know the O-line sucks. I’m struggling because I think he is better than what he has shown. It’s hard to play at a high level when your line gets pushed into your face on every play. Do we draft another QB? Do we trade our first round picks for Watson or Wilson? Do we stick with DJ and draft two O-linemen?
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RE: RE: RE: His future?  
Go Terps : 11/27/2021 1:03 pm : link
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He will bet the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants in 2022


Why speak in an absolute? How do you know this? There very well might be a GM from the outside, what if Jones continues to play like he did last week? He just automatically gets next year?

I wouldn’t be so sure.



Sean, most every post on this thread is stated-as an absolute

Just my opinion, that the odds favor him being the quarterback next season


I agree he's probably the quarterback next season. The odds also favor Jones being a lousy quarterback again next season too.
RE: RE: RE: RE: His future?  
joeinpa : 11/27/2021 1:30 pm : link
In comment 15468284 Go Terps said:
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He will bet the starting quarterback for the New York Football Giants in 2022


Why speak in an absolute? How do you know this? There very well might be a GM from the outside, what if Jones continues to play like he did last week? He just automatically gets next year?

I wouldn’t be so sure.



Sean, most every post on this thread is stated-as an absolute

Just my opinion, that the odds favor him being the quarterback next season



I agree he's probably the quarterback next season. The odds also favor Jones being a lousy quarterback again next season too.


We ll see.
We are seeing  
Go Terps : 11/27/2021 1:31 pm : link
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RE: We are seeing  
joeinpa : 11/27/2021 2:56 pm : link
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Well my friend unfortunately for you the people who will be making the decision on Jones don t agree the dye has been cast.

They re probably not as knowledgeable as you regarding whether his abilities warrant him coming back next season, but they nevertheless get to make the decision.
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Go Terps : 11/27/2021 3:09 pm : link
It is unfortunate. It's unfortunate for anyone that wants the Giants to play good football and win games.
The gloating  
Jerry in_DC : 11/27/2021 4:23 pm : link
about a shirt QB containing to play for people's favorite football team is beyond mystifying.
Shitty QB  
Jerry in_DC : 11/27/2021 4:24 pm : link
(Obviously)
RE: The gloating  
joeinpa : 11/27/2021 6:24 pm : link
In comment 15468510 Jerry in_DC said:
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about a shirt QB containing to play for people's favorite football team is beyond mystifying.




I haven’t given up on Jones, I want it to work because that would be best for the team, you call it gloating, 👌





We all want it to work out  
Go Terps : 11/27/2021 6:29 pm : link
You can't separate what you want from reality?

The reality is that he stinks.
Even if you like Jones..  
Sean : 11/27/2021 6:41 pm : link
The window has been missed. This is his third year, the Giants should be competing to come out of the NFC by now. They aren’t, they are 3-7. And before anyone fights this, look around:

-Kyler Murray in year 3 has Arizona competing for the NFC
-Josh Allen in year 3 reached the AFC title game
-Baker Mayfield in year 3 reached the AFC divisional game
-Lamar Jackson won a MVP and regularly has the Ravens contending
-Justin Herbert in year 2 has the Chargers in the playoff race
-Joe Burrow has the Bengals of all teams and a shitty OL competing

Rosen was a bust and the Cardinals moved on. The Jets moved off of Darnold. There are already rumblings the Dolphins want to move off of Tua.

It is year 3 and the Giants aren’t competing with Jones. His record as a starter is 11-24 as a starter, take out WFT and it is 7-23.

What am I missing? Someone please make it make sense. Please. Jones is a nice kid and likable player. I really do admire his work ethic and his toughness, but it’s over. The whole point of drafting Jones was because of his high floor and the fact he was coached up in college, it has not mattered. It’s over.
he’s going to have to play next season  
hassan : 11/27/2021 7:13 pm : link
unless giants like willis or corral or howell with an early pick otherwise it’s a later round pick or vet that will compete which i’m all for. they do need to start cluster drafting this position vs relying on the high pick and no comp philosophy of the past in my opinion. keep picking qbs until we get a really good one.
RE: We all want it to work out  
joeinpa : 11/27/2021 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15468627 Go Terps said:
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You can't separate what you want from reality?

The reality is that he stinks.


You can’t separate opinion from fact.
Danny and DG are franchise quality......  
thrunthrublue : 11/27/2021 8:00 pm : link
the McDonalds franchise. they gotta go......and include Joe!
RE: RE: We all want it to work out  
Go Terps : 11/27/2021 8:02 pm : link
In comment 15468687 joeinpa said:
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You can't separate what you want from reality?

The reality is that he stinks.



You can’t separate opinion from fact.


I can't? Hilarious.
sean  
hassan : 11/27/2021 8:18 pm : link
i was in his camp, but it looks like he’s a big part of the problem now. he seems like a guy who can move ball between 20s but can’t deliver a ball in the red zone when the field get tighter and he has to find a second or third read and has to throw a rope. Not able to instinctively move around either zone spite of being a good athlete.

Needs to really excel with freddie kitchens in order to enter the next offseason without looking over his shoulder and odds of that are very low.
RE: Funny how Colt McCoy  
Route 9 : 11/27/2021 8:26 pm : link
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was below average with bad teams like WFT and the Giants, but is tearing it up in Arizona. Must be the waters, eh?


Colt McCoy was the QB for the best Giants win from 2017-present.

Don't you guys ever grasp the argumentation that even comparing Jones to McCoy in the first place and in 2021 isn't a good look for Jones?

Yeah. Jones is supposed to be miles better than McCoy. I was hoping this would be a given when the Giants picked him at 6 overall.
RE: RE: RE: We all want it to work out  
joeinpa : 11/27/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15468720 Go Terps said:
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You can't separate what you want from reality?

The reality is that he stinks.



You can’t separate opinion from fact.



I can't? Hilarious.


Let me help you out.

Fact Jones is quarterback of the Giants
Fact: Giants have not been successful with him as quarterback
Fact: Offense has not been effective with him as quarterback

He will never be good enough to win with. ..... Opinion

Unless you know something the rest of us don’t, it appears even the Giants haven’t determined the answer to the future of Jones as their quarterback



So disingenuous…RE: We all want it to work out  
dancing blue bear : 11/27/2021 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15468627 Go Terps said:
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You can't separate what you want from reality?

The reality is that he stinks.


Would you sign up for this scenario: Giants run the table and win the division and Jones gets a. second contract? B. 5th year option picked up. C. 5th year option and gettlemen doesn’t get fired D. You’d rather the giants let se every game for the rest and f the year and get blown out in most times of them?
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Banks : 11/27/2021 11:33 pm : link
He hasn't shown he's a special talent. We might be able to win with him, but that's a low bar. We are likely ending up with 2 high fist round picks. If there is someone we like draft him. I'm not a fan of trying to grab Wilson or Watson. We'd be buying high on the former and the latter's future is in doubt
RE: So disingenuous…RE: We all want it to work out  
Go Terps : 11/27/2021 11:37 pm : link
In comment 15468917 dancing blue bear said:
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You can't separate what you want from reality?

The reality is that he stinks.



Would you sign up for this scenario: Giants run the table and win the division and Jones gets a. second contract? B. 5th year option picked up. C. 5th year option and gettlemen doesn’t get fired D. You’d rather the giants let se every game for the rest and f the year and get blown out in most times of them?


This is barely readable but I think I get the point.

The Giants aren't going to win the division. That's real life.

You guys act like the critics are responsible for the Giants losing. We aren't. They suck, and we're observing why the suck and the likelihood that they are going to continue to suck as long as they keep doing things the way they do.

We all want them to compete for titles. They aren't going to do it with a backup level quarterback leading the way. It's just not going to happen.
The organization is responsible for where they are at  
dancing blue bear : 11/28/2021 1:14 am : link
I don’t blame the critics at all. And I don’t have a problem with anyone having an opinion on the matter. There is a wide variety of opinion and everyone is entitled to their own.

I do have a problem with anyone presenting their opinion as an undisputed fact. Either way.

I listen to tons of podcasts. I watch all 22 when I can. I rewatch games. I’m still an amateur.

The “experts” have wide ranging opinions on the qb. I don’t accept any of them as fact either. There is no fact. There is a continuous collection of information until a decision is made by the organization.

Gettlemen is dead man walking. Whoever is next will have a short time to prove they deserve the job. If they think the qb is a hindrance to their job security he will be gone. It’s really that simple
Obviously, nobody here has a crystal ball.  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/28/2021 6:21 am : link
At this point, DJ is pretty much where Mitch Trubisky was in 2019. He looks like a bottom-tier NFL starter or good backup, who was drafted way too high and then inherited by the current coach. Ryan Pace was responsible for the original mistake with Trubisky, and gave up on him in 2020. With Gettleman likely to retire, Jones will have even less support in the building than Trubisky had in Chicago. Like Trubisky, Jones will probably return for his fourth year, but with a very short leash.

I hope Jones turns things around, for himself and the team. I rooted for Jeff Hostetler in 1991 and Dave Brown in 1994, with Phil Simms still very much in mind. Similarly, I'm sure even Eli's most loyal fans are rooting for Jones. Like Hoss, the kid can do things his gunslinging predecessor couldn't, especially with his feet. Even thirty years ago, though, it was hard to win with a quarterback who couldn't throw into tight windows and score TDs. It's nearly impossible today. If Daniel Jones doesn't start doing those things soon, he'll join Mitch Trubisky (and many others) among backups hoping for a second chance that might never come.
The verdict on Jones is in  
cosmicj : 11/28/2021 10:03 am : link
No QB in the last 15 years, the current era of passing rules, has emerged as a very good or elite talent this late in their careers. Every high quality NFL QB has put up consistently excellent results by the beginning of their third year at the latest.

It’s over.
Cosmicj: Does Aaron Rodgers count as the modern era?  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/28/2021 2:49 pm : link
I know he's in his 17th season, but he threw a grand total of 59 passes in the first three. When he threw his first TD, he had been in the League exactly as long as Jones has (Week 13 of his third season).

I get your point about quarterbacks needing to achieve some measure of success early, but the sample of good QBs who have entered the NFL over the past 15 years might be too small for a meaningful precedent. I think Jones has to be judged on his own merits.
B3  
cosmicj : 11/28/2021 4:10 pm : link
No, I place Rodgers outside the current era and with a special asterisk because he was behind Favre. AR immediately played well when he was put on the field.

Other posters have pointed out that Brees and maybe Roethlisberger posted some anemic results their first three seasons, but again before the current era.

The best counter argument to my point I think is Kirk Cousins. It’s possible although not at all certain that Jones can reach Cousins level. I grant that point.
It comes down to this: If a new GM wants his own QB  
dpinzow : 11/28/2021 4:15 pm : link
then he deserves to draft a QB, and Jones can't stand in the way
He is going to be the Giants qb for the next 15  
Ron Johnson : 11/28/2021 4:34 pm : link
Years.
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