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Albert Breer thinks most new HC hires will be retreads

Sean : 11/26/2021 8:55 pm
I’ve made it clear I would not move off Judge, but I also know it could happen. Breer was on periscope taking a Q& A last night and made the point that most of the candidates this year will be retreads. So, if Mara does move off Judge the names will include:

Doug Pederson
Josh McDaniels
Raheem Morris
Todd Bowles
Vance Joseph

Just something to keep in mind for everyone who wants to move off Judge.
I still do not believe Judge is going anywhere yet  
Chris684 : 11/26/2021 9:04 pm : link
While they’re still paying a heavy price for 2018 and 2019, the personnel decisions have started to pick up with Judge around. I know Toney is somewhat of a whipping boy right now but he’s shown in small doses that he’s a dynamic playmaker.

And if you are of the belief that Garrett was strongly suggested to Judge as OC, you would think then that Judge deserves the opportunity to put out on offense more of his own vision with a guy he hired like Kitchens for the rest of this year and whoever he decides to hire after that.
If they judge Judge critically and accurately  
JonC : 11/26/2021 9:06 pm : link
he should be in deep shit, not unlike Shurmur. Keep watching and see if the players begin to quit.
RE: If they judge Judge critically and accurately  
AcidTest : 11/26/2021 9:07 pm : link
In comment 15467931 JonC said:
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he should be in deep shit, not unlike Shurmur. Keep watching and see if the players begin to quit.


Agreed.
 
christian : 11/26/2021 9:09 pm : link
He’s making a huge bet on Garrett being the issue. The offense comes out and still sucks, he’ll get fired.

He should have kept that chip, and cashed it off season if needed to save his ass.
RE: …  
Sean : 11/26/2021 9:15 pm : link
In comment 15467933 christian said:
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He’s making a huge bet on Garrett being the issue. The offense comes out and still sucks, he’ll get fired.

He should have kept that chip, and cashed it off season if needed to save his ass.

He can’t lose the team though, and I think that’s why he cashed the chip now.
I would take Pederson as a coach  
Vanzetti : 11/26/2021 9:19 pm : link
He did a hell of a job that super bowl year.

The mistakes he made are ones you can learn from. I think he would be a great choice.
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FStubbs : 11/26/2021 9:28 pm : link
In comment 15467933 christian said:
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He’s making a huge bet on Garrett being the issue. The offense comes out and still sucks, he’ll get fired.

He should have kept that chip, and cashed it off season if needed to save his ass.


From the reports the players were getting tired of Garrett, he probably had to jettison him now to keep from losing the locker room.
I don't agree with Breer...  
bw in dc : 11/26/2021 9:30 pm : link
I think Dabol and Bieniemy will be in the mix again.

Maybe Joe Brady, too.

And Matt Eberflus will be a very hot name. Plus, if the Bucs make another deep run, Leftwich will get a lot of attention.
DG will retire  
mattlawson : 11/26/2021 9:35 pm : link
Judge short leash.
RE: DG will retire  
BigBlueJ : 11/26/2021 9:43 pm : link
In comment 15467952 mattlawson said:
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Judge short leash.


Absolute bullshit if Gentleman is allowed to retire. He should be summarily fired for gross incompetence.
The only reason Gettleman hasn’t been fired is Abrams..  
Sean : 11/26/2021 9:47 pm : link
If I had to guess, Mara desperately wants to be able to hands the reigns from DG to Abrams. Once DG is fired, he can’t do that. I think Mara is hoping the Giants finish strong and there is enough confidence in Judge to hand it over to Abrams.

Right now I think both DG and Abrams get fired and that will be PAINFUL for Mara to do.
 
christian : 11/26/2021 10:01 pm : link
The only way Abrams survives is if Golladay, Jackson, Williams, and Bradberry have big second halves.

Mara will rationalize the big decisions since Abrams been at the big kids table have gone better.
RE: If they judge Judge critically and accurately  
bradshaw44 : 11/26/2021 10:10 pm : link
In comment 15467931 JonC said:
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he should be in deep shit, not unlike Shurmur. Keep watching and see if the players begin to quit.


That’s my thinking. If he loses the players then it’s not really salvageable. If they fight for him he will get that third season.
RE: RE: DG will retire  
bradshaw44 : 11/26/2021 10:12 pm : link
In comment 15467954 BigBlueJ said:
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In comment 15467952 mattlawson said:


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Judge short leash.



Absolute bullshit if Gentleman is allowed to retire. He should be summarily fired for gross incompetence.


I don’t care how he goes. Just get him out the door one way or the other.
Would like to see Luke Fickell or Pederson  
Giants73 : 11/26/2021 10:15 pm : link
As the next head coach.
Abrams is up to his neck in the cap hell we're in and everything...  
MOOPS : 11/26/2021 11:01 pm : link
else associated with with the sorry state of affairs of the Giants. If the Maras' appoint him GM, the clown show will continue unabated.
Remember when a bunch of Giants fans rooted for the Eagles to win  
widmerseyebrow : 11/26/2021 11:17 pm : link
A game and were practically begging Doug Pederson to not fuck the Giants out of the playoffs on national TV? And then he did. Called him a quitter, his players would never forgive him, etc.

Now we have Giants fans that want him to be head coach. That's cool.
RE: Remember when a bunch of Giants fans rooted for the Eagles to win  
Optimus-NY : 11/27/2021 12:38 am : link
In comment 15467990 widmerseyebrow said:
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A game and were practically begging Doug Pederson to not fuck the Giants out of the playoffs on national TV? And then he did. Called him a quitter, his players would never forgive him, etc.

Now we have Giants fans that want him to be head coach. That's cool.


I don't understand how any Giants fan could want that turd Pederson as our HC.
Joe Judge  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 1:18 am : link
doesn't deserve a 3rd season. He's been a total clown show this year
I don't see Judge being fired  
Go Terps : 11/27/2021 4:33 am : link
He has enough patsies ahead of him: Garrett, Gettleman, Jones. None of those three is a Judge guy, all are either out or more likely to be out than Judge.

To me the tide of change engulfed Garrett, will engulf Gettleman, may engulf Jones, probably doesn't get to Judge.

As I said at the end of 2020, 2021 is a disaster and Judge is coaching for his job in 2022.
If Judge goes  
AnnapolisMike : 11/27/2021 6:38 am : link
I would probably be in favor of someone with more experience. The first time coach route has not worked for the Giants. I think they need someone with a little more gravitas.

Unless they fall apart...Judge stays. Tomorrow is an important game
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/27/2021 7:07 am : link
Not an inspiring list.
I don’t agree that Judge needs to be fired now with a new GM..  
Sean : 11/27/2021 7:33 am : link
The next GM will 1000% have a longer leash than Judge regardless. Mara does not want to be overhauling GM’s every few years. Gettleman was hired most likely as a bridge to Abrams, but it hasn’t worked.

Let’s say the next GM is in his 40’s, I guarantee you Mara is hoping this person will be in the role for 12+ years. So, what is the harm for this new GM to evaluate the roster and Judge in 2022? Next year the team is cap strapped anyway, then any changes can be made in 2023.

Also, maybe a more attractive coach shakes loose after next season if Judge has another poor year.
Judge no better than Shurmur  
HomerJones45 : 11/27/2021 9:59 am : link
$200 million on free agents, another top 10 draft choice, and this is the result? I would take any of the guys on that list over this clown any day.

I can't think of a single reason why Judge should be kept around.
Some thoughts  
Jarvis : 11/27/2021 10:12 am : link
1) While totally possible, it is tough to go through the interview process and hiring of a new GM after the season….then start a coaching search. Sure, it;s totally possible..and in fact the best coach of the 2018 circuit ended up being Reich who wasn’t even interviewed until after McDaniels turned the Colts down. That being said, those scenarios are few and far between.

2) The Giants can no longer hand the job to Abrams. The GM position as far as i kjnow has the same Rooney rule attached. The Giants must interview outside minority candidates.

The Giants would need to fire DG (possible the day after the season ends) start the interview process for GMs…hire one, Then have that GM start a coaching search? The odds on that working out seem low.
RE: Judge no better than Shurmur  
Ivan15 : 11/27/2021 11:00 am : link
In comment 15468164 HomerJones45 said:
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$200 million on free agents, another top 10 draft choice, and this is the result? I would take any of the guys on that list over this clown any day.

I can't think of a single reason why Judge should be kept around.


So your opinion is that DG has brought in good players but Judge hasn’t coached them well.
Doug Pederson won a super bowl with a backup QB  
Metnut : 11/27/2021 11:10 am : link
not too long ago. Also went to the playoffs a bunch of other times and is an aggressive play calling. Would love to hire him and let him bring in a GM. Much better plan IMO than sticking with 6-17 Judge IMO.
RE: RE: Remember when a bunch of Giants fans rooted for the Eagles to win  
Metnut : 11/27/2021 11:21 am : link
In comment 15468043 Optimus-NY said:
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A game and were practically begging Doug Pederson to not fuck the Giants out of the playoffs on national TV? And then he did. Called him a quitter, his players would never forgive him, etc.

Now we have Giants fans that want him to be head coach. That's cool.



I don't understand how any Giants fan could want that turd Pederson as our HC.


I don’t care if he tanked a game. I want to see the Giants win some games and be relevant again. He’s a better coach than Judge.
RE: …  
Ivan15 : 11/27/2021 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15467933 christian said:
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He’s making a huge bet on Garrett being the issue. The offense comes out and still sucks, he’ll get fired.

He should have kept that chip, and cashed it off season if needed to save his ass.


If we see a big ;improvement offensively in the second half, then JJ is a lousy coach for not making the move sooner, right?
That list makes me want to puke  
Spiciest Memelord : 11/27/2021 12:13 pm : link
but Pederson realizes you want to simplify the game for your young QB with RPOs, and no Peyton Manning motion pre-snap reads going through a 5 receiver progression post snap reap with an oline that gives up a sack in less than 2 seconds vs 3 man rushes.
RE: …  
cosmicj : 11/27/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15467933 christian said:
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He’s making a huge bet on Garrett being the issue. The offense comes out and still sucks, he’ll get fired.

He should have kept that chip, and cashed it off season if needed to save his ass.


I’ve been thinking this, too. Judge either made an unforced error or the heat within the team has become irresistible.

Another thing I’m worried about is that it, in Garrett’s comments about the OL last week, he didn’t mention Peart as part of the solution. That’s another sign that Peart really isn’t promising.
RE: RE: RE: Remember when a bunch of Giants fans rooted for the Eagles to win  
widmerseyebrow : 11/27/2021 12:24 pm : link
In comment 15468204 Metnut said:
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I don’t care if he tanked a game. I want to see the Giants win some games and be relevant again. He’s a better coach than Judge.


The tanking bothers me less than him not being a very good coach: he turned into a pumpkin once Reich left (and took the offense with him). "Better than Judge" ain't saying much these days.
Also like the idea of Luke Fickell  
GiantGrit : 11/27/2021 1:03 pm : link
...Giants need a strong finish here. Even if Judge doesn't lose the team, he's coaching for his job. Fair or not.
RE: RE: Judge no better than Shurmur  
HomerJones45 : 11/27/2021 1:43 pm : link
In comment 15468195 Ivan15 said:
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$200 million on free agents, another top 10 draft choice, and this is the result? I would take any of the guys on that list over this clown any day.

I can't think of a single reason why Judge should be kept around.



So your opinion is that DG has brought in good players but Judge hasn’t coached them well.
No, but I think there is enough to be .500, and I am not willing to give Judge, who has proven nothing and has results similar to his two predecessors fired after two seasons, a free pass because of Gettleman.

If nothing else, he was part of the self-delusional cabal that thought this was a playoff team worthy of a couple of hundred million in free agents to put them over the top.

It would not bother me at all if Jawn sent him packing back to NE another failed Lil' Bill assistant who was unable to channel the Master.
judge is a terrible coach  
GiantsFan84 : 11/27/2021 6:19 pm : link
and hiring those retreads is a terrible idea

daboll should be at the top of every list

after him i'd lookd at the following guys

joe lombardi
kellen moore
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