Biggest rivals in CFB play at noon. Historically, Harbaugh can't beat Ohio State, but the Wolverines are rolling! Could this be the day where Michigan finally beats THE Ohio State?
It's not starting today. OSU looks like the best team in college football right now!(apologies to Georgia fans!)Why this isn't on at night is aggravating as an RU fan,I'll be watching RU/Maryland,hoping for a win to go to their first bowl in a while. I'd be more confident if RU had an actual QB starting (Vedral is horrible) & an OC that called plays for more than 1-2 yards every down(I'll give Gleason until next season when Wimsatt is the starting QB) So,I'll be flipping this afternoon!
The matchups in the trenches are usually the most fun to watch...but this one(s) will be important as well.
Dad played at Ohio, obviously a huge Buckeye fan. We always watched them together. We watched every Saturday. I remember vividly when Dad yelled at Woody for ending his career...we were watching the Clemson game, I was 12.
I became a Michigan fan and games only got more interesting.
The Bucks own the Blue, but even when my team loses, I get to smile and remember watching with my Dad.
Enjoy college football games but this rivalry has been anything
but in the past two decades. Ohio State has dominated Michigan winning like 17 or so of the past 20 meetings.
And many of the victories have been blowouts with Ohio State putting up 40, 50 and even 60+ points in a bunch of these games. The "rivalry" is just really memories from a time long gone at this point.
didn't react like he got hit, have to see the replay as it looked like he did get hit but then Henning wasnt even looking for a flag so maybe he just got distracted
between the Rutgers offense and the Giants offense, I swear I must go through the most terrible offenses week after week out of any football fan in the country.
between the Rutgers offense and the Giants offense, I swear I must go through the most terrible offenses week after week out of any football fan in the country.
Rutgers gets 2 TDs and the of course their defense collapses.
They were, but what also stood out to me were Michigan TEs sustaining their blocks on the edge to spring Haskins and Corum wide for big gains (esp. on the first drive of 2H), they were outstanding and really well drilled not to give any Linesman a whiff of a whistle for holding.
They were, but what also stood out to me were Michigan TEs sustaining their blocks on the edge to spring Haskins and Corum wide for big gains (esp. on the first drive of 2H), they were outstanding and really well drilled not to give any Linesman a whiff of a whistle for holding.
All was spectacular blocking. He's a very nice, well-rounded TE.
Me neither, but Michigan whooped them with 300 rushing yards before the two kneel downs at the end. Their QB could have gotten away with throwing the ball 10 times or less and they still would have won
Me neither, but Michigan whooped them with 300 rushing yards before the two kneel downs at the end. Their QB could have gotten away with throwing the ball 10 times or less and they still would have won
They did mix in the pass when they had to and were effective. They converted a 3rd and long on their first drive of the second half, and did have some throws downfield.
On that last TD drive though, Ohio State knew they were running and they could not stop them.
Notre Dame fans should probably watch that Alabama-Auburn game
With Jameson Williams ejected, he'll be on Metchie the rest of the way. If I'm Auburn I cheat a safety Metchie's way the rest of the game and dare Bryce Young to throw to someone else
With Jameson Williams ejected, he'll be on Metchie the rest of the way. If I'm Auburn I cheat a safety Metchie's way the rest of the game and dare Bryce Young to throw to someone else
Not a bad idea. But Bama does have some talented your receivers who could make an impression. Holden, Baker, Earle are capable.
This year. Georgia will destroy them. This game has zero significance to ND. No way they let a two loss Bama in the playoffs, after Georgia beats them anyway. Their path is Wisconsin beating Michigan. Which would leave. Georgia, Cincinnati, ND and ok/OK St winner. Which would be pretty awful with Cincy or OK/OK St in the final. Besides that the panel is not putting ND in. Right now their only loss is against what should be the #2 team who had a bye the week before they played them.
This year. Georgia will destroy them. This game has zero significance to ND. No way they let a two loss Bama in the playoffs, after Georgia beats them anyway. Their path is Wisconsin beating Michigan. Which would leave. Georgia, Cincinnati, ND and ok/OK St winner. Which would be pretty awful with Cincy or OK/OK St in the final. Besides that the panel is not putting ND in. Right now their only loss is against what should be the #2 team who had a bye the week before they played them.
ND hasn’t beaten anyone of note. They got beat at home by the only decent team they’ve played.
And of course, they don’t have a conference championship game.
and the penalties always seem to come in at the end of the game. same with NC State and UNC last night. it seems the refs are dying to throw a flag with under 2 minutes left.
And you stopped the clock, you might as well run a play that extends the chains and ices the game. That felt like a NY Giants play sequence. You knew they were selling out up the middle...I just feel like that isn't playing to win.
I would have ran a different play on 3rd down when Auburn had the ball. Don't even give Alabama a chance to tie the game. You have the ball and the ability to ice the game.
I would have ran a different play on 3rd down when Auburn had the ball. Don't even give Alabama a chance to tie the game. You have the ball and the ability to ice the game.
THIS. I would have run a play action or anything with a real chance at a first down.
I would have ran a different play on 3rd down when Auburn had the ball. Don't even give Alabama a chance to tie the game. You have the ball and the ability to ice the game.
THIS. I would have run a play action or anything with a real chance at a first down.
But that was an impressive catch by Bama. Wow.
I guess Harsin spoke with Judge before the game. I hate that shit man. I get your defense is playing well but ONE FIRST DOWN ENDS THE GAME. Call your best short yardage play.
This year. Georgia will destroy them. This game has zero significance to ND. No way they let a two loss Bama in the playoffs, after Georgia beats them anyway. Their path is Wisconsin beating Michigan. Which would leave. Georgia, Cincinnati, ND and ok/OK St winner. Which would be pretty awful with Cincy or OK/OK St in the final. Besides that the panel is not putting ND in. Right now their only loss is against what should be the #2 team who had a bye the week before they played them.
Florida St (5-7)
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
Florida St (5-7)
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
That's a trash schedule aside from Wisconsin
Agree. But the committee loves ND, even if they don’t deserve it. They always get a poll bump when they don’t deserve it
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
Lol. Big 10 makes much more sense than ACC.
Fuck the big donors. Conference play would make them much more money. But let them play navy et al. And then whine…
should be able to beat this stanford team. They have no talent anywhere.
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.
But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
Quit while you're ahead.
They'll probably get clobbered, first of all
A game against the Buckeyes that has no conference implications is less impactful than when you're in a conference. It's a freeroll for Notre Dame to play a big time opponent as an independent. A conference loss is much more damaging because it can prevent a team from winning a conference. It's way harder to win a conference than to do what Notre Dame does
Exhibit A: Ohio State has one conference loss in 2021
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
What a moron. Follow the money. If ND were to join the Big10 they would lose their lucrative TV contract, and have to share money with the Big 10 teams. Besides Ohio st and Michigan the Big 10 teams are trash. Acc when Clemson rolling is just as competitive. Polls over ranked Penn St all year to make it look like these teams faced another ranked opponent. Rutgers Maryland is no better than facing the Service Academies.
so 5 minutes ago it was "notre dame wants no part of playing Ohio State"
Then absolute proof that you are full of shit is shown to you, and well they'll get clobbered anyways and they basically have a free roll.
You made up something that was pure horse shit and now spewing more garbage.
Just admit you made up something because you sound like a fool.
Notre Dame sets up a couple of big games as free rolls. If they win them, great, they're in good position for the playoff. If they lose them, no big deal. It's not a conference loss that prevents them from playing a big game late in the season.
For decades, the Big 10 wanted to expand past 10 teams and couldn't because nobody until Penn State in the early 90s wanted to be the third wheel in a conference with Michigan and Ohio State. Anybody that joined the Big 10 was going to be that third wheel.
Notre Dame has one foot in the door of the ACC because they get Clemson and/or one of the Florida teams (if they ever got their act together) as free rolls on the way to a potential 1-loss season and CFB consideration. If they were in the ACC they'd have to get through Clemson most years to get into the playoff, and that's not happening most of the time. ND staying independent is the path of least resistance for them
They can lose the game and still have a clear path to the playoff.
Just admit you made up something about Notre Dame wanting no part of playing Ohio State and we'll move on
Nope, because Ohio State would have to go undefeated in the Big 10 to make the playoff. See what happened to Ohio State this year with Oregon.
Conference games have far more riding on them. If ND was in the ACC in Clemson's division and lost to Clemson, that effectively eliminates them from a conference championship game. Same thing if they played Ohio State as a conference game. Going 11-1 or 12-0 is much easier when you're not in a conference.
The best example here is Penn State. They had a bunch of undefeated seasons and two national championships before joining the Big 10. Since they joined the Big 10, they have 1 undefeated season (1994). Otherwise, they're getting beat most of the time by Ohio State and at least half the time by either Michigan or Michigan State.
An independent Penn State would theoretically have a better chance to make the playoff at 11-1 provided they played a decent schedule, than go 11-1, lose to Ohio State and get blocked
should be able to beat this stanford team. They have no talent anywhere.
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.
But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.
Wow, good for you, you watched one whole quarter!
Why are guys comparing OR to ND? They are ranked 11th.
Where was ND’s signature win this year? WIS? They lost today. PUR? Meh. Otherwise, every other win was vs a team 500 or below.
Why should they be in the top 4?
Because the TV contracts are that much more lucrative?
Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.
Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.
I simply made an observation watching Stanford trying to figure out how a decent team like Oregon lost to them.
There's an argument to be made for ND being in. Also one to be made for them not. I'll be fine either way if they don't get in. I think they will get in over Oklahoma but not Oklahoma state, but fine either way. I dont think it will be egregious either way.
I'm also not sure where the evidence is that they have ever been favored by the committee. They were absolutely going to get royally fucked by the committee in 2015 if they beat Stanford. Their resume was way better than Oklahoma that year and they had oklahoma jump ND after week 11 so they didnt look like assholes doing so if ND beat Stanford they already had Oklahoma ahead of them so they could justify keeping Oklahoma above them.
ND wound up losing the Stanford game on the final play, but the committee was setting them up for a royal screw job that year when their only loss was a 2point loss at clemson where they lost on the last play of the game.
Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.
Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.
Play a real fucking schedule
You are really making a fool of yourself. They play a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan does. That's not opinion, that's fact.
Michigan scheduled Northern Illinois and Western michigan this year. On top of playing some absolutely dreadful Big 10 teams.
Joining a conference would mean easier SOS for ND to play against. Putting "suck a dick" at the end of it doesn't make what you're saying true, just makes you sound like even more of a fool when you don't know what you are talking about.
When ND has a reason to join a conference financially, they will do so. Until then, they wont. It's pretty simple.
You can easily argue ND makes it much more difficult on themselves to make the playoffs by not being in a conference. Their only clear path to making it is to go undefeated. They could still possibly make it otherwise, but takes a lot of things to go their way. Michigan lost that MSU game and their path was still very clear, same with Ohio State and Oregon.
They aren't "pussies" for playing a more difficult schedule than most conference schools do in most years (this year not withstanding, most of the regular powers on their schedule this year had down years).
Michigan fans beat Ohio State for the first time in a big spot since the Clinton administration and they lose their minds.
In comment 15468858 Mook80 said:
[quote] sure where I compared ND to Oregon?
I simply made an observation watching Stanford trying to figure out how a decent team like Oregon lost to them.
There's an argument to be made for ND being in. Also one to be made for them not. I'll be fine either way if they don't get in. I think they will get in over Oklahoma but not Oklahoma state, but fine either way. I dont think it will be egregious either way.
I'm also not sure where the evidence is that they have ever been favored by the committee. They were absolutely going to get royally fucked by the committee in 2015 if they beat Stanford. Their resume was way better than Oklahoma that year and they had oklahoma jump ND after week 11 so they didnt look like assholes doing so if ND beat Stanford they already had Oklahoma ahead of them so they could justify keeping Oklahoma above them.
ND wound up losing the Stanford game on the final play, but the committee was setting them up for a royal screw job that year when their only loss was a 2point loss at clemson where they lost on the last play of the game.
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LOL! The committee would chose ND every time because of people like you, the whiners like you.
You compared ND to OR when questioning why they lost to Stanford.
ND is supposedly top 4 so they should crush Stanford. OR is ranked 11th, so who the fuck cares how they did vs a conference opponent?
Because they are pussies and hide behind the “money” flag.
Even though they could earn significantly more long term by playing in an actual conference.
Yes, playing a more difficult schedule by being independent makes them pussies.
You have absolutely zero clue what they could earn long term. The people who make that decision at ND have a hell of a lot more data to work with. And the big time alumni that fund that entire school have ZERO interest in being in a conference. Until that last part changes, being independent wont change.
It's not simply a what can we make more money on. A lot of donors who donate millions upon millions each year have zero interest in being in a conference.
They believe being independent is very important to the brand. Allows them to schedule all over the country. Allows them to go play in Ireland when they want. Allows them to schedule the shamrock series and play all over the country in NFL/MLB stadiums.
It's not simply what could make the university the most money. ND could monetize their program a lot more than they do as far as advertisements in the stadium and they wont do it. They wont do it on the video board. Hell, it took forever to convince the big donors at the school to put a video board in. They wanted no part of any of that.
going into a conference would probably be beneficial money wise.
But long term the brand would be hurt. And the big money donors don't want it. Doesn't matter if they can make more money, they dont want it and the school isnt about to piss those people off. They fund that university.
Another reason why it's harder being in a conference
is because the same teams are gunning for you every year. The only real example of this at a high level for Notre Dame is USC, and they're terrible right now. Normally, Notre Dame has a couple of big games on their schedule so they have a legit schedule, but that wasn't the case this year with USC being terrible, not playing Clemson, etc.
The four teams in the Big 10 East (Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State) is a gauntlet. The SEC West is a gauntlet. If Florida and Tennessee (who are traditional powers) were any good and got their acts together, the SEC East would be a gauntlet. My point about conference losses being more damaging stands. See Penn State's plunge from national championship contender in their pre-Big 10 days to occasional conference contender
RE: RE: More complete bullshit from a ND apologist.
Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.
Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.
Play a real fucking schedule
You are really making a fool of yourself. They play a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan does. That's not opinion, that's fact.
Michigan scheduled Northern Illinois and Western michigan this year. On top of playing some absolutely dreadful Big 10 teams.
Joining a conference would mean easier SOS for ND to play against. Putting "suck a dick" at the end of it doesn't make what you're saying true, just makes you sound like even more of a fool when you don't know what you are talking about.
When ND has a reason to join a conference financially, they will do so. Until then, they wont. It's pretty simple.
You can easily argue ND makes it much more difficult on themselves to make the playoffs by not being in a conference. Their only clear path to making it is to go undefeated. They could still possibly make it otherwise, but takes a lot of things to go their way. Michigan lost that MSU game and their path was still very clear, same with Ohio State and Oregon.
They aren't "pussies" for playing a more difficult schedule than most conference schools do in most years (this year not withstanding, most of the regular powers on their schedule this year had down years).
Michigan fans beat Ohio State for the first time in a big spot since the Clinton administration and they lose their minds.
You can try to keep justifying their insistence on avoiding joining a conference, but you’ll keep embarrassing yourself.
If they want to be taken seriously, then join a fucking conference. If the big 12 “messes up” their SOS, then join the SEC.
Oh, right - you’ll whine about the academic standards getting in the way.
You ND have all sorts of built in excuses,don’t you?
Suck it up, buttercup - their schedule didn’t stack up this year. Maybe they’ll Measure up next year!
"play a real schedule" you may want to actually look at ND's schedule versus any of the big 10 teams in the last decade.
When you do that, get back to us. I'm guessing you're just drunk which is fine, but they play a more difficult schedule than OSU or Michigan do in most years. So maybe those two should play a real fucking schedule?
Or is it only a real schedule if it's a big 10 schedule. Scheduling Navy would be an upgrade to some of the shit Big 10 teams schedule OOC, hell Rutgers is on most teams schedule. Rutgers would die and go to heaven if their program was as good as Navy's
this Oklahoma - Oklahoma State game is a good one -
going into a conference would probably be beneficial money wise.
But long term the brand would be hurt. And the big money donors don't want it. Doesn't matter if they can make more money, they dont want it and the school isnt about to piss those people off. They fund that university.
If the playoff expands to 8 teams or more, Notre Dame will never join a conference. All they'd have to do is go 10-2 and they'd get the last spot in the playoff every year
has been better than Michigan or Ohio State's for the last decade by a wide margin.
I'm sure you're drunk, but even sober you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, so drunk you is an even more stupid human being which is frightening.
Again, get back to us when you look at ND's SOS vs Michigan's over the last decade.
No matter how many times you say suck a dick or pussies, it still wont make anything you have said true.
Michigan fans awfully cocky beating a decent team for the first time in forever. I'll look forward to the beating they get from Georgia if they get that far.
ND markets much differently. They arent a huge state school. It's a small catholic school in the middle of nowhere in Indiana.
You have still not given an actual reason why ND needs to join a conference. They have shown they can make the playoff without being in one. They are fine with their paths being a lot more limited to keep their independence.
Your argument would make a lot more sense if they actually scheduled weak year in and year out, but the exact opposite of what you're saying is true. This year's schedule was an outlier, because the big national brands that were on it almost all had down seasons. But I guess according to you they should have known that 5 years ago.
Even in a "down" year for ND's schedule their SOS is still comparable to Michigans.
it's about the tv money doesn't know what they're talking about either.
It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.
They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.
No. They are convinced, and correctly so, that they will never sniff the CFB if they joined the Big 10 and had to beat Ohio State every year, like Penn State fails to do. They are convinced, and correctly so, that if they joined the ACC they would have to beat Clemson every year, and would have a much more difficult time getting in the playoff losing to Clemson most years.
Their brand would be hurt because they would only get to the top 4 once in a blue moon
"play a real schedule" you may want to actually look at ND's schedule versus any of the big 10 teams in the last decade.
When you do that, get back to us. I'm guessing you're just drunk which is fine, but they play a more difficult schedule than OSU or Michigan do in most years. So maybe those two should play a real fucking schedule?
Or is it only a real schedule if it's a big 10 schedule. Scheduling Navy would be an upgrade to some of the shit Big 10 teams schedule OOC, hell Rutgers is on most teams schedule. Rutgers would die and go to heaven if their program was as good as Navy's
LOL - more bullshit from ND apologist.
Play a true conference rival and get back to me. Records hardly matter. Or did you not see the Iron bowl today? Or the WIS/MN game? Or even the UO/OSU game?
Until they move to a conference, they can shut the fuck up.
In comment 15468882 Mook80 said:
[quote] has been better than Michigan or Ohio State's for the last decade by a wide margin.
I'm sure you're drunk, but even sober you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, so drunk you is an even more stupid human being which is frightening.
Again, get back to us when you look at ND's SOS vs Michigan's over the last decade.
No matter how many times you say suck a dick or pussies, it still wont make anything you have said true.
Michigan fans awfully cocky beating a decent team for the first time in forever. I'll look forward to the beating they get from Georgia if they get that far. [/quote
And I’m the one who’s drunk? Lol. As usual, you haven’t a clue here.
Oklahoma State nor Oklahoma have a particularly great resume. I could see them being ahead and i could see them being behind. Coin flip imo. The big 12 is total dogshit this year. Oklahoma has looked like real shit against some really, really bad teams too. All 3 teams have flaws and warts.
None of them have a legit gripe if they get left out.
at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.
Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.
Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.
Well done.
That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year
Something ND knows nothing about.
Then how do you explain Notre Dame having a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan?
Or do facts not matter to you?
I'm fairly confident Notre Dame could pull off what Harbaugh has done at Michigan against big teams. Because just having a pulse before today would have been the same as what Harbaugh has done.
at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.
Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.
Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.
Well done.
That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year
Something ND knows nothing about.
Then how do you explain Notre Dame having a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan?
Or do facts not matter to you?
I'm fairly confident Notre Dame could pull off what Harbaugh has done at Michigan against big teams. Because just having a pulse before today would have been the same as what Harbaugh has done.
One win against OSU and you guys all have amnesia
Well maybe if the pussies joined the conference, we could actually see what they could do.
But they can’t, they would lose so much money. And the hit the “brand” would take!!
They got Caleb Williams on 4th and 10. Their playoff chances are still alive and well
As well it should. Beating the #10 team should boost their chances over teams who don’t play top competition. Or independent teams who don’t have any signature wins…
1. Cincinnati is in if they win next week
2. Alabama is out if they lose next week to Georgia
3. Oklahoma State passes Notre Dame if they win next week
1. Cincinnati is in if they win next week
2. Alabama is out if they lose next week to Georgia
3. Oklahoma State passes Notre Dame if they win next week
Agree with all this. As a UM fan I’m hoping for anyone except Bama in the first round of the playoffs.
1. Cincinnati is in if they win next week
2. Alabama is out if they lose next week to Georgia
3. Oklahoma State passes Notre Dame if they win next week
Agree with all this. As a UM fan I’m hoping for anyone except Bama in the first round of the playoffs.
As a Michigan fan I’m rooting for Georgia next week. If Alabama, Michigan and Oklahoma State wins I can see a scenario where the top 4 are:
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Oklahoma State
I think Cincinnati will get screwed if Alabama wins.
I don't see 'Bama beating UGA in ATL. Does a two win 'Bama team make it over a 11-1 ND or a possible 12-1 OK State team?
If 'Bama loses & OK State wins, it should be 1) Georgia, 2) Michigan (assuming UM beats Iowa), Cincy (assuming they win), & OK State.
I don’t see Bama winning either. Georgia is firing on all cylinders and it’s a home game for them.
I know Notre Dame fans don’t want to hear this but not playing a conference championship game next week will screw them. If Alabama loses, one of Cincinnati, Oklahoma state, or Michigan will need to lose for ND to have a spot in the top 4.
LB having a phenomenal year. Has 2.5 sacks and 3.5 TFL against Texas A&M last night. Might have passed Devin Lloyd as the best LB in the draft and a possible top 10 pick.
I don’t have a dog in this race but how does anyone on the planet look at the schedules and come away thinking ND played a tougher schedule than Michigan? Come on now. ND’s best win was Wisconsin. Michigan beat them too. They also played Michigan State and Penn State, both of which are likely far better than anyone else on NDs schedule outside of Cincy and Wisconsin. I also think Ohio State is far better than Cincy and would curb stomp them if they had played, but I understand that’s not provable.
Michigan didn’t play a murders row schedule but it’s far better than what Norte Dame played on a weekly basis.
I might stand corrected. I just checked out a couple of sites and one had Michigan having 4th hardest while ND was 16. But another had ND 15th & Michigan in the 30s.
I am not trying to take anything away from Michigan. They're a damn good team. I just get a little annoyed when I hear-year after year-that ND doesn't play anyone. It is an absurd narrative.
schedule don't play up to standards. USC should be a perennial top 10 team. NC was top ten last year. Florida State same deal. Stanford. Virginia Tech.
I think they have always played a competitive schedule. It is not SEC West but even that conference has times where teams fall off.
I might stand corrected. I just checked out a couple of sites and one had Michigan having 4th hardest while ND was 16. But another had ND 15th & Michigan in the 30s.
I am not trying to take anything away from Michigan. They're a damn good team. I just get a little annoyed when I hear-year after year-that ND doesn't play anyone. It is an absurd narrative.
Some of that isn’t Norte Dames fault. They schedule teams years in advance. It’s not their fault teams like USC, Stanford, Florida State, etc have fallen off the map
I don’t have a dog in this race but how does anyone on the planet look at the schedules and come away thinking ND played a tougher schedule than Michigan? Come on now. ND’s best win was Wisconsin. Michigan beat them too. They also played Michigan State and Penn State, both of which are likely far better than anyone else on NDs schedule outside of Cincy and Wisconsin. I also think Ohio State is far better than Cincy and would curb stomp them if they had played, but I understand that’s not provable.
Michigan didn’t play a murders row schedule but it’s far better than what Norte Dame played on a weekly basis.
I am under no illusions ND gets in absent a lot of chaos next weekend, which is entirely possible.
It would be a different situation if they were in a conference.
The conference thing is a bit overhyped. I've heard that ND doesn't have rivals in a conference like SEC, ACC and Big 10. But they play a part ACC schedule and teams they have played against for decades. What team that they play does not circle ND on the calendar each year?
And each team has "patsies" on its schedule - basically practice weeks.
Yes it is hard to dispute OSU-UM(especially), Alabama- Auburn, Alabama Georgia are bigtime rivalries or OK -OK St.
I wouldn't mind ND in the ACC, but it would be hard for them to give up USC, Perdue and Navy(which they will never do). They already play Georgia Tech, and playing against FSU, Miami, NC, VA each year would be fine by me.
But would that enhance their standing with the CFP committee?
schedule don't play up to standards. USC should be a perennial top 10 team. NC was top ten last year. Florida State same deal. Stanford. Virginia Tech.
I think they have always played a competitive schedule. It is not SEC West but even that conference has times where teams fall off.
This is right. I'm not an ND guy, but they absolutely try to make a very competitive schedule. Unfortunately for them, USC, Stanford, VT, FSU have performed poorly. Otherwise, those are seriously good brand names - typically.
Parts of these schedules are made years in advance. So if you schedule a game against team X when team X is good, that doesn't mean team X will be as good when you actually play.
I don't see 'Bama beating UGA in ATL. Does a two win 'Bama team make it over a 11-1 ND or a possible 12-1 OK State team?
If 'Bama loses & OK State wins, it should be 1) Georgia, 2) Michigan (assuming UM beats Iowa), Cincy (assuming they win), & OK State.
I don’t see Bama winning either. Georgia is firing on all cylinders and it’s a home game for them.
I know Notre Dame fans don’t want to hear this but not playing a conference championship game next week will screw them. If Alabama loses, one of Cincinnati, Oklahoma state, or Michigan will need to lose for ND to have a spot in the top 4.
It depends. If Alabama loses to Georgia (likely) and Oklahoma State loses to Baylor (50-50 chance), ND gets in the playoff while sitting on the couch.
Don't overlook Iowa vs. Michigan either. Its a tough rebound for Michigan emotionally after beating their biggest rival for the first time in a big spot in 20+ years. I definitely could see Iowa winning, because they're no slouches. They're a 10 win team
31-17 OSU
in doubt?
OSU wins.
Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
OSU LT Petit-Frere vs Hutchinson and Ojabu.
All very likely first round selections.
BTW, beyond Harbaugh, OSU has owned Michigan for the last quarter century. They just have better players, and more of them.
The matchups in the trenches are usually the most fun to watch...but this one(s) will be important as well.
Dad played at Ohio, obviously a huge Buckeye fan. We always watched them together. We watched every Saturday. I remember vividly when Dad yelled at Woody for ending his career...we were watching the Clemson game, I was 12.
I became a Michigan fan and games only got more interesting.
The Bucks own the Blue, but even when my team loses, I get to smile and remember watching with my Dad.
And many of the victories have been blowouts with Ohio State putting up 40, 50 and even 60+ points in a bunch of these games. The "rivalry" is just really memories from a time long gone at this point.
If Shaw didn't pick it off, the guy behind him might have.
Let's keep the tally.
They are dominating on the ground, but greed sets in on McNamara...
Can’t beat a team full of 4-5 stars with an average QB.
7-3
LOL he's texting me bitching about McNamara.
Time to prove me wrong McNamara. Bounce back.
Let's keep the tally.
They are dominating on the ground, but greed sets in on McNamara...
Blame should be on Harbaugh for the pass over the middle play call
Ummm, looks pretty full to me….
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Let's keep the tally.
They are dominating on the ground, but greed sets in on McNamara...
Blame should be on Harbaugh for the pass over the middle play call
Gattis calls the plays. Not harbaugh.
Have to score against OSU to beat them. Can’t expect to stop their offense.
From the shots of the crowd, there are a LOT of Ohio State fans there
Things that make you go hmmmmm…
Need a stop to start the half.
Ojabo has been quiet. Need a big second half.
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Rutgers' biggest plays of the half were MD place kicks...
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not gonna lie, my head thought ohio's offense would carve us up. Great half of football. now Im believing! 30 mins to go
Need a stop to start the half.
Ojabo has been quiet. Need a big second half.
Lining up mostly over Petit-Frere. PF is winning that 1x1.
Hutchinson has been mostly over the RT.
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Rutgers' biggest plays of the half were MD place kicks...
They finally yanked that awful Noah Verdal and promptly got a TD.
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not gonna lie, my head thought ohio's offense would carve us up. Great half of football. now Im believing! 30 mins to go
Need a stop to start the half.
Ojabo has been quiet. Need a big second half.
Lining up mostly over Petit-Frere. PF is winning that 1x1.
Hutchinson has been mostly over the RT.
Playing on the other side now and still quiet. Still time to make a play. A strip sack would be huge!
talent
Finally a solid game between these two.
Big play by both!
Let's go!
That should be offsetting penalties on Brown and Wilson. He threw his helmet but Wilson deserved a penalty for starting that shit in the first place
That should be offsetting penalties on Brown and Wilson. He threw his helmet but Wilson deserved a penalty for starting that shit in the first place
Agreed. Wilson clearly grabbed the defenders feet and wouldn’t let go.
Good all-around TE.
Time to force a turnover. But the offense can’t settle. Keep scoring.
3rd and 19 and pins it against the defender.
Rutgers gets 2 TDs and the of course their defense collapses.
Beast.
He’s certainly having a better season, but I’d rather have Thibs. Hutch is not far behind though.
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He’s certainly having a better season, but I’d rather have Thibs. Hutch is not far behind though.
Lions maycome under pressure to take him. No. 1
28-20
which tells everyone how good UM's defense has been today.
Here we go Jim. 4 and change to get what you have needed.
He’s got to run at the back on that play and make the tackle.
He is. Has time usually and has great receivers, but he’s good
Hassan Chop - ( New Window )
Damn! *grin*
Exactly.
That Michigan offensive line just jack hammered Ohio State play after play all game long. Just a total annihilation of their defense!
Hutchinson is like JJ Watt
They’re done. No road in.
Not necessarily. If Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State each lose one more game they can get in.
That Michigan OL was brilliant.
And Hutch, IMV, showed that he's better than Thibodeaux. Just plays harder and is more consistent...
That's a good Heisman point.
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Definitely wasn't enough beer for that debacle
That Michigan OL was brilliant.
And Hutch, IMV, showed that he's better than Thibodeaux. Just plays harder and is more consistent...
Thanks.
And Yes. Hutch deserves consideration, this game might do it, finally.
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playoffs right?
Not necessarily. If Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State each lose one more game they can get in.
Ohio state can’t jump Michigan.
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Definitely wasn't enough beer for that debacle
Paterson. I am at Stuff Yer Face. Head High flowing.
And Good Lord does Rutgers suck.
That Michigan OL was brilliant.
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playoffs right?
Not necessarily. If Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State each lose one more game they can get in.
Ohio state can’t jump Michigan.
If everything breaks right, they both could get in
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Great win. And dominant.
That Michigan OL was brilliant.
They were, but what also stood out to me were Michigan TEs sustaining their blocks on the edge to spring Haskins and Corum wide for big gains (esp. on the first drive of 2H), they were outstanding and really well drilled not to give any Linesman a whiff of a whistle for holding.
All was spectacular blocking. He's a very nice, well-rounded TE.
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playoffs right?
Not necessarily. If Michigan, Alabama, Cincinnati and Oklahoma and Oklahoma State each lose one more game they can get in.
Ohio state can’t jump Michigan.
If everything breaks right, they both could get in
There's no way both Michigan and Ohio State get in
And Hail to the Victors!
Otherwise, how can you explain that you see them EVERY week EVERY game.
You want to really have a rule with even more bite? Throw the coach out, too...
Wonder if they are looking past Auburn to the SEC title game.
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Wonder if they are looking past Auburn to the SEC title game.
No way Alabama is looking past Auburn. They detest each other. That's one of the biggest rivalries in CFB
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still scoreless in the 2nd quarter, Alabama about to get someone thrown out for targeting
Wonder if they are looking past Auburn to the SEC title game.
No way Alabama is looking past Auburn. They detest each other. That's one of the biggest rivalries in CFB
Well they sure don’t look like the #3 team right now
Me neither, but Michigan whooped them with 300 rushing yards before the two kneel downs at the end. Their QB could have gotten away with throwing the ball 10 times or less and they still would have won
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Definitely wasn't enough beer for that debacle
Paterson. I am at Stuff Yer Face. Head High flowing.
And Good Lord does Rutgers suck.
Ha ha Stuff Your Face. I used to live on Easton Ave when I went there. Ate all the time at Stuff Your Face and Greasy Tonys
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Thought it would never happen
Me neither, but Michigan whooped them with 300 rushing yards before the two kneel downs at the end. Their QB could have gotten away with throwing the ball 10 times or less and they still would have won
They did mix in the pass when they had to and were effective. They converted a 3rd and long on their first drive of the second half, and did have some throws downfield.
On that last TD drive though, Ohio State knew they were running and they could not stop them.
With Jameson Williams ejected, he'll be on Metchie the rest of the way. If I'm Auburn I cheat a safety Metchie's way the rest of the game and dare Bryce Young to throw to someone else
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Definitely wasn't enough beer for that debacle
Paterson. I am at Stuff Yer Face. Head High flowing.
And Good Lord does Rutgers suck.
Ha ha Stuff Your Face. I used to live on Easton Ave when I went there. Ate all the time at Stuff Your Face and Greasy Tonys
And drink at The Corner Tavern.
Oh. I am watching.
With Jameson Williams ejected, he'll be on Metchie the rest of the way. If I'm Auburn I cheat a safety Metchie's way the rest of the game and dare Bryce Young to throw to someone else
Not a bad idea. But Bama does have some talented your receivers who could make an impression. Holden, Baker, Earle are capable.
Haha.
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Hey! I am here! Haha. 3 4 packs of Head High. Grill out.
Definitely wasn't enough beer for that debacle
Paterson. I am at Stuff Yer Face. Head High flowing.
And Good Lord does Rutgers suck.
Ha ha Stuff Your Face. I used to live on Easton Ave when I went there. Ate all the time at Stuff Your Face and Greasy Tonys
And drink at The Corner Tavern.
and the Knights Club (don't know if its still there). Of course Greasy Tony's was more of a 3am thing
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because that's their route to the playoff (if Alabama loses)
Oh. I am watching.
Same
Could be true. But I'm saying Oakie State if they take out Oklahoma tonight.
Another great play by McCreary. He's stacking some cash right now
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Another great play by McCreary. He's stacking some cash right now
McCreary has been a first round guy ALL year, btw.
and then they show it. Ticky Tack.
ND hasn’t beaten anyone of note. They got beat at home by the only decent team they’ve played.
And of course, they don’t have a conference championship game.
They don’t deserve it.
and they couldn't even get 1 yard to get a 1st on the last possession.
and the penalties always seem to come in at the end of the game. same with NC State and UNC last night. it seems the refs are dying to throw a flag with under 2 minutes left.
Absurd Young is only a freshman. Composure is off the charts.
THIS. I would have run a play action or anything with a real chance at a first down.
But that was an impressive catch by Bama. Wow.
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I would have ran a different play on 3rd down when Auburn had the ball. Don't even give Alabama a chance to tie the game. You have the ball and the ability to ice the game.
THIS. I would have run a play action or anything with a real chance at a first down.
But that was an impressive catch by Bama. Wow.
I guess Harsin spoke with Judge before the game. I hate that shit man. I get your defense is playing well but ONE FIRST DOWN ENDS THE GAME. Call your best short yardage play.
Wisconsin is down 10 with 6 minutes left
They'll likely stay at #3
It’s a rivalry game - winning with “style points” goes out the door. No doubt they will remain in the top 4. As well they should.
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Classic Patriot play by O'Brien. Pats have run that play a lot near the goal line over the years...
Scenario: Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St twice or Oklahoma St beats Oklahoma and then Baylor next week. Their resumes would be better than ND
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Wisconsin at 8-4 and Purdue at 8-4. That's it. They don't have a signature win
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Wisconsin at 8-4 and Purdue at 8-4. That's it. They don't have a signature win
Nope. Their lame schedule will come back to bite them.
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
That's a trash schedule aside from Wisconsin
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
That's a trash schedule aside from Wisconsin
Agree. But the committee loves ND, even if they don’t deserve it. They always get a poll bump when they don’t deserve it
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Because they haven’t had played - nevermind beaten - anyone of note?
ND fans hate when people point that out.
I’ve changed my mind - even if OK beats OKC, they deserve to be ranked ahead of ND. A 10 beating a 7 on the road? Yep that beats anything ND has done.
Sorry, truth hurts.
If you want to argue having the potential conference championship would help them, sure, but otherwise that position is just remarkably dumb.
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Because they haven’t had played - nevermind beaten - anyone of note?
ND fans hate when people point that out.
I’ve changed my mind - even if OK beats OKC, they deserve to be ranked ahead of ND. A 10 beating a 7 on the road? Yep that beats anything ND has done.
Sorry, truth hurts.
To finish 12-1, Oklahoma will have to beat Oklahoma St twice in consecutive weeks
Oklahoma State, definitely possible.
Oklahoma, dont see it. Committee hasn't liked them all year and I dont see them liking them in 2 weeks either.
I think the only team that can give Georgia a game is Bama, because of Saban. I dont see anyone else being able to sniff scoring enough to win.
When his program sucks, no one says a word. They just arent talked about and he doesnt get any heat on him.
I want a 50 burger tonight just to rub that smug assholes face in it
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Because they haven’t had played - nevermind beaten - anyone of note?
ND fans hate when people point that out.
I’ve changed my mind - even if OK beats OKC, they deserve to be ranked ahead of ND. A 10 beating a 7 on the road? Yep that beats anything ND has done.
Sorry, truth hurts.
To finish 12-1, Oklahoma will have to beat Oklahoma St twice in consecutive weeks
Ok. But i was talking about the rankings after this weekend.
But ND shouldn’t be rewarded for continuing to bail out of being in a conference. Pussies that they are.
How the hell did Oregon lose to this Stanford team? They are one of the worst power 5 teams ive seen in a while that isn't Vandy or Kansas
How the hell did Oregon lose to this Stanford team? They are one of the worst power 5 teams ive seen in a while that isn't Vandy or Kansas
They had SIGNIFICANT injuries, plus SIX bullshit penalties called against them. Including the 4th down PI that would have ended the game.
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
Lol. Big 10 makes much more sense than ACC.
Fuck the big donors. Conference play would make them much more money. But let them play navy et al. And then whine…
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
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Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.
But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
Has absolutely nothing to do with that. Has everything to do with they have no interest in playing almost all of their games in the north and midwest.
They have ohio state on the schedule the next two seasons. They played michigan basically every year for years.
The big 10 never has been and never will be an option.
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joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
Quit while you're ahead.
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joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
Quit while you're ahead.
They'll probably get clobbered, first of all
A game against the Buckeyes that has no conference implications is less impactful than when you're in a conference. It's a freeroll for Notre Dame to play a big time opponent as an independent. A conference loss is much more damaging because it can prevent a team from winning a conference. It's way harder to win a conference than to do what Notre Dame does
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joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
What a moron. Follow the money. If ND were to join the Big10 they would lose their lucrative TV contract, and have to share money with the Big 10 teams. Besides Ohio st and Michigan the Big 10 teams are trash. Acc when Clemson rolling is just as competitive. Polls over ranked Penn St all year to make it look like these teams faced another ranked opponent. Rutgers Maryland is no better than facing the Service Academies.
Then absolute proof that you are full of shit is shown to you, and well they'll get clobbered anyways and they basically have a free roll.
You made up something that was pure horse shit and now spewing more garbage.
Just admit you made up something because you sound like a fool.
Then absolute proof that you are full of shit is shown to you, and well they'll get clobbered anyways and they basically have a free roll.
You made up something that was pure horse shit and now spewing more garbage.
Just admit you made up something because you sound like a fool.
Notre Dame sets up a couple of big games as free rolls. If they win them, great, they're in good position for the playoff. If they lose them, no big deal. It's not a conference loss that prevents them from playing a big game late in the season.
For decades, the Big 10 wanted to expand past 10 teams and couldn't because nobody until Penn State in the early 90s wanted to be the third wheel in a conference with Michigan and Ohio State. Anybody that joined the Big 10 was going to be that third wheel.
Notre Dame has one foot in the door of the ACC because they get Clemson and/or one of the Florida teams (if they ever got their act together) as free rolls on the way to a potential 1-loss season and CFB consideration. If they were in the ACC they'd have to get through Clemson most years to get into the playoff, and that's not happening most of the time. ND staying independent is the path of least resistance for them
There are no such things as "free rolls" when you have very little path to the playoff if you dont go undefeated if you're ND.
You're full of shit. You made something up and now you're moving goalposts and spewing more garbage.
They can lose the game and still have a clear path to the playoff.
Just admit you made up something about Notre Dame wanting no part of playing Ohio State and we'll move on
They can lose the game and still have a clear path to the playoff.
Just admit you made up something about Notre Dame wanting no part of playing Ohio State and we'll move on
Nope, because Ohio State would have to go undefeated in the Big 10 to make the playoff. See what happened to Ohio State this year with Oregon.
Conference games have far more riding on them. If ND was in the ACC in Clemson's division and lost to Clemson, that effectively eliminates them from a conference championship game. Same thing if they played Ohio State as a conference game. Going 11-1 or 12-0 is much easier when you're not in a conference.
The best example here is Penn State. They had a bunch of undefeated seasons and two national championships before joining the Big 10. Since they joined the Big 10, they have 1 undefeated season (1994). Otherwise, they're getting beat most of the time by Ohio State and at least half the time by either Michigan or Michigan State.
An independent Penn State would theoretically have a better chance to make the playoff at 11-1 provided they played a decent schedule, than go 11-1, lose to Ohio State and get blocked
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should be able to beat this stanford team. They have no talent anywhere.
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.
But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.
Wow, good for you, you watched one whole quarter!
Why are guys comparing OR to ND? They are ranked 11th.
Where was ND’s signature win this year? WIS? They lost today. PUR? Meh. Otherwise, every other win was vs a team 500 or below.
Why should they be in the top 4?
Because the TV contracts are that much more lucrative?
Get the fuck out of here….
Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.
Play a real fucking schedule
I simply made an observation watching Stanford trying to figure out how a decent team like Oregon lost to them.
There's an argument to be made for ND being in. Also one to be made for them not. I'll be fine either way if they don't get in. I think they will get in over Oklahoma but not Oklahoma state, but fine either way. I dont think it will be egregious either way.
I'm also not sure where the evidence is that they have ever been favored by the committee. They were absolutely going to get royally fucked by the committee in 2015 if they beat Stanford. Their resume was way better than Oklahoma that year and they had oklahoma jump ND after week 11 so they didnt look like assholes doing so if ND beat Stanford they already had Oklahoma ahead of them so they could justify keeping Oklahoma above them.
ND wound up losing the Stanford game on the final play, but the committee was setting them up for a royal screw job that year when their only loss was a 2point loss at clemson where they lost on the last play of the game.
Even though they could earn significantly more long term by playing in an actual conference.
Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.
Play a real fucking schedule
You are really making a fool of yourself. They play a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan does. That's not opinion, that's fact.
Michigan scheduled Northern Illinois and Western michigan this year. On top of playing some absolutely dreadful Big 10 teams.
Joining a conference would mean easier SOS for ND to play against. Putting "suck a dick" at the end of it doesn't make what you're saying true, just makes you sound like even more of a fool when you don't know what you are talking about.
When ND has a reason to join a conference financially, they will do so. Until then, they wont. It's pretty simple.
You can easily argue ND makes it much more difficult on themselves to make the playoffs by not being in a conference. Their only clear path to making it is to go undefeated. They could still possibly make it otherwise, but takes a lot of things to go their way. Michigan lost that MSU game and their path was still very clear, same with Ohio State and Oregon.
They aren't "pussies" for playing a more difficult schedule than most conference schools do in most years (this year not withstanding, most of the regular powers on their schedule this year had down years).
Michigan fans beat Ohio State for the first time in a big spot since the Clinton administration and they lose their minds.
[quote] sure where I compared ND to Oregon?
I simply made an observation watching Stanford trying to figure out how a decent team like Oregon lost to them.
There's an argument to be made for ND being in. Also one to be made for them not. I'll be fine either way if they don't get in. I think they will get in over Oklahoma but not Oklahoma state, but fine either way. I dont think it will be egregious either way.
I'm also not sure where the evidence is that they have ever been favored by the committee. They were absolutely going to get royally fucked by the committee in 2015 if they beat Stanford. Their resume was way better than Oklahoma that year and they had oklahoma jump ND after week 11 so they didnt look like assholes doing so if ND beat Stanford they already had Oklahoma ahead of them so they could justify keeping Oklahoma above them.
ND wound up losing the Stanford game on the final play, but the committee was setting them up for a royal screw job that year when their only loss was a 2point loss at clemson where they lost on the last play of the game.
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LOL! The committee would chose ND every time because of people like you, the whiners like you.
You compared ND to OR when questioning why they lost to Stanford.
ND is supposedly top 4 so they should crush Stanford. OR is ranked 11th, so who the fuck cares how they did vs a conference opponent?
BTW - that’s something ND knows anything about,lol.
But as long as ND keeps making that TV money, right?!?
Even though they could earn significantly more long term by playing in an actual conference.
Yes, playing a more difficult schedule by being independent makes them pussies.
You have absolutely zero clue what they could earn long term. The people who make that decision at ND have a hell of a lot more data to work with. And the big time alumni that fund that entire school have ZERO interest in being in a conference. Until that last part changes, being independent wont change.
It's not simply a what can we make more money on. A lot of donors who donate millions upon millions each year have zero interest in being in a conference.
They believe being independent is very important to the brand. Allows them to schedule all over the country. Allows them to go play in Ireland when they want. Allows them to schedule the shamrock series and play all over the country in NFL/MLB stadiums.
It's not simply what could make the university the most money. ND could monetize their program a lot more than they do as far as advertisements in the stadium and they wont do it. They wont do it on the video board. Hell, it took forever to convince the big donors at the school to put a video board in. They wanted no part of any of that.
It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.
They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.
But long term the brand would be hurt. And the big money donors don't want it. Doesn't matter if they can make more money, they dont want it and the school isnt about to piss those people off. They fund that university.
The four teams in the Big 10 East (Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State) is a gauntlet. The SEC West is a gauntlet. If Florida and Tennessee (who are traditional powers) were any good and got their acts together, the SEC East would be a gauntlet. My point about conference losses being more damaging stands. See Penn State's plunge from national championship contender in their pre-Big 10 days to occasional conference contender
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Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.
Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.
Play a real fucking schedule
You are really making a fool of yourself. They play a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan does. That's not opinion, that's fact.
Michigan scheduled Northern Illinois and Western michigan this year. On top of playing some absolutely dreadful Big 10 teams.
Joining a conference would mean easier SOS for ND to play against. Putting "suck a dick" at the end of it doesn't make what you're saying true, just makes you sound like even more of a fool when you don't know what you are talking about.
When ND has a reason to join a conference financially, they will do so. Until then, they wont. It's pretty simple.
You can easily argue ND makes it much more difficult on themselves to make the playoffs by not being in a conference. Their only clear path to making it is to go undefeated. They could still possibly make it otherwise, but takes a lot of things to go their way. Michigan lost that MSU game and their path was still very clear, same with Ohio State and Oregon.
They aren't "pussies" for playing a more difficult schedule than most conference schools do in most years (this year not withstanding, most of the regular powers on their schedule this year had down years).
Michigan fans beat Ohio State for the first time in a big spot since the Clinton administration and they lose their minds.
You can try to keep justifying their insistence on avoiding joining a conference, but you’ll keep embarrassing yourself.
If they want to be taken seriously, then join a fucking conference. If the big 12 “messes up” their SOS, then join the SEC.
Oh, right - you’ll whine about the academic standards getting in the way.
You ND have all sorts of built in excuses,don’t you?
Suck it up, buttercup - their schedule didn’t stack up this year. Maybe they’ll Measure up next year!
When you do that, get back to us. I'm guessing you're just drunk which is fine, but they play a more difficult schedule than OSU or Michigan do in most years. So maybe those two should play a real fucking schedule?
Or is it only a real schedule if it's a big 10 schedule. Scheduling Navy would be an upgrade to some of the shit Big 10 teams schedule OOC, hell Rutgers is on most teams schedule. Rutgers would die and go to heaven if their program was as good as Navy's
But long term the brand would be hurt. And the big money donors don't want it. Doesn't matter if they can make more money, they dont want it and the school isnt about to piss those people off. They fund that university.
If the playoff expands to 8 teams or more, Notre Dame will never join a conference. All they'd have to do is go 10-2 and they'd get the last spot in the playoff every year
It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.
They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.
Haha! And there is the “brand” argument.
Bama’s brand doesn’t seem to be hurt too much by being in a conference. Neither does OSU. And several others.
LOL - keep trying…
I'm sure you're drunk, but even sober you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, so drunk you is an even more stupid human being which is frightening.
Again, get back to us when you look at ND's SOS vs Michigan's over the last decade.
No matter how many times you say suck a dick or pussies, it still wont make anything you have said true.
Michigan fans awfully cocky beating a decent team for the first time in forever. I'll look forward to the beating they get from Georgia if they get that far.
ND markets much differently. They arent a huge state school. It's a small catholic school in the middle of nowhere in Indiana.
You have still not given an actual reason why ND needs to join a conference. They have shown they can make the playoff without being in one. They are fine with their paths being a lot more limited to keep their independence.
Your argument would make a lot more sense if they actually scheduled weak year in and year out, but the exact opposite of what you're saying is true. This year's schedule was an outlier, because the big national brands that were on it almost all had down seasons. But I guess according to you they should have known that 5 years ago.
Even in a "down" year for ND's schedule their SOS is still comparable to Michigans.
It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.
They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.
No. They are convinced, and correctly so, that they will never sniff the CFB if they joined the Big 10 and had to beat Ohio State every year, like Penn State fails to do. They are convinced, and correctly so, that if they joined the ACC they would have to beat Clemson every year, and would have a much more difficult time getting in the playoff losing to Clemson most years.
Their brand would be hurt because they would only get to the top 4 once in a blue moon
When you do that, get back to us. I'm guessing you're just drunk which is fine, but they play a more difficult schedule than OSU or Michigan do in most years. So maybe those two should play a real fucking schedule?
Or is it only a real schedule if it's a big 10 schedule. Scheduling Navy would be an upgrade to some of the shit Big 10 teams schedule OOC, hell Rutgers is on most teams schedule. Rutgers would die and go to heaven if their program was as good as Navy's
LOL - more bullshit from ND apologist.
Play a true conference rival and get back to me. Records hardly matter. Or did you not see the Iron bowl today? Or the WIS/MN game? Or even the UO/OSU game?
Until they move to a conference, they can shut the fuck up.
[quote] has been better than Michigan or Ohio State's for the last decade by a wide margin.
I'm sure you're drunk, but even sober you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, so drunk you is an even more stupid human being which is frightening.
Again, get back to us when you look at ND's SOS vs Michigan's over the last decade.
No matter how many times you say suck a dick or pussies, it still wont make anything you have said true.
Michigan fans awfully cocky beating a decent team for the first time in forever. I'll look forward to the beating they get from Georgia if they get that far. [/quote
And I’m the one who’s drunk? Lol. As usual, you haven’t a clue here.
Like ND would do an better vs GA?? LOL..
Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.
Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.
Well done.
Bama didnt look good today but they are still the only team who can beat Georgia because Saban can neutralize a game himself.
ND and Michigan wouldnt score offensively against Georgia
Beating their in state rival - who is ranked 10th, btw - with one loss should somehow be ranked behind ND? In what world does that make sense?
Who does Michigan even have to play in the title game now? Iowa? Ohh that's so difficult I have no idea how they'll ever survive that game
really good game
Who does Michigan even have to play in the title game now? Iowa? Ohh that's so difficult I have no idea how they'll ever survive that game
Iowa is 10-2. It would actually be a better win than anything Notre Dame has
Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.
Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.
Well done.
That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year
Something ND knows nothing about.
None of them have a legit gripe if they get left out.
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really good game
Rivalry games really are awesome - this has been a great day of college football.
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at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.
Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.
Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.
Well done.
That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year
Something ND knows nothing about.
Then how do you explain Notre Dame having a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan?
Or do facts not matter to you?
I'm fairly confident Notre Dame could pull off what Harbaugh has done at Michigan against big teams. Because just having a pulse before today would have been the same as what Harbaugh has done.
One win against OSU and you guys all have amnesia
OSU. Fucking autocorrect.
But go ahead and deflect from the argument that ND doesn’t belong in thr top 4.
Keep deflecting, asshole. Sure sign of someone badly losing an argument…
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at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.
Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.
Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.
Well done.
That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year
Something ND knows nothing about.
Then how do you explain Notre Dame having a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan?
Or do facts not matter to you?
I'm fairly confident Notre Dame could pull off what Harbaugh has done at Michigan against big teams. Because just having a pulse before today would have been the same as what Harbaugh has done.
One win against OSU and you guys all have amnesia
Well maybe if the pussies joined the conference, we could actually see what they could do.
But they can’t, they would lose so much money. And the hit the “brand” would take!!
LOL
They must have missed the memo about playing a real schedule for that season. Two cupcakes
Next year they go to columbus and have clemson at home.
Please let me know what "real schedule" means. Because they have 2 of the top 3 programs of the last decade on their schedule the next 2 years.
Do they need to play Bama too to make it a real schedule?
That 1st down throw needed to be fired in there. He had him but put too much air under it
Shocked the ref didnt call that PI. I like that it wasnt but its almost always called.
They must have missed the memo about playing a real schedule for that season. Two cupcakes
Next year they go to columbus and have clemson at home.
Please let me know what "real schedule" means. Because they have 2 of the top 3 programs of the last decade on their schedule the next 2 years.
Do they need to play Bama too to make it a real schedule?
So when they have (at least) two losses in 2022 and 2023 will you shut the fuck up?
I still don’t know what the hell that has to do with the cupcake schedule they had this year?
As well it should. Beating the #10 team should boost their chances over teams who don’t play top competition. Or independent teams who don’t have any signature wins…
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
no disagreement
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma State
With these three factors hopefully in play:
1. Cincinnati is in if they win next week
2. Alabama is out if they lose next week to Georgia
3. Oklahoma State passes Notre Dame if they win next week
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma State
With these three factors hopefully in play:
1. Cincinnati is in if they win next week
2. Alabama is out if they lose next week to Georgia
3. Oklahoma State passes Notre Dame if they win next week
Agree with all this. As a UM fan I’m hoping for anyone except Bama in the first round of the playoffs.
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame
6. Oklahoma State
With these three factors hopefully in play:
1. Cincinnati is in if they win next week
2. Alabama is out if they lose next week to Georgia
3. Oklahoma State passes Notre Dame if they win next week
Agree with all this. As a UM fan I’m hoping for anyone except Bama in the first round of the playoffs.
As a Michigan fan I’m rooting for Georgia next week. If Alabama, Michigan and Oklahoma State wins I can see a scenario where the top 4 are:
1. Alabama
2. Michigan
3. Georgia
4. Oklahoma State
I think Cincinnati will get screwed if Alabama wins.
If 'Bama loses & OK State wins, it should be 1) Georgia, 2) Michigan (assuming UM beats Iowa), Cincy (assuming they win), & OK State.
If 'Bama loses & OK State wins, it should be 1) Georgia, 2) Michigan (assuming UM beats Iowa), Cincy (assuming they win), & OK State.
I don’t see Bama winning either. Georgia is firing on all cylinders and it’s a home game for them.
I know Notre Dame fans don’t want to hear this but not playing a conference championship game next week will screw them. If Alabama loses, one of Cincinnati, Oklahoma state, or Michigan will need to lose for ND to have a spot in the top 4.
It would be a different situation if they were in a conference.
2. Michigan
3. Cincinnati
4. Alabama
5. Oklahoma State
6. Notre Dame
Yes.
I don’t have a dog in this race but how does anyone on the planet look at the schedules and come away thinking ND played a tougher schedule than Michigan? Come on now. ND’s best win was Wisconsin. Michigan beat them too. They also played Michigan State and Penn State, both of which are likely far better than anyone else on NDs schedule outside of Cincy and Wisconsin. I also think Ohio State is far better than Cincy and would curb stomp them if they had played, but I understand that’s not provable.
Michigan didn’t play a murders row schedule but it’s far better than what Norte Dame played on a weekly basis.
I am not trying to take anything away from Michigan. They're a damn good team. I just get a little annoyed when I hear-year after year-that ND doesn't play anyone. It is an absurd narrative.
I think they have always played a competitive schedule. It is not SEC West but even that conference has times where teams fall off.
I am not trying to take anything away from Michigan. They're a damn good team. I just get a little annoyed when I hear-year after year-that ND doesn't play anyone. It is an absurd narrative.
Some of that isn’t Norte Dames fault. They schedule teams years in advance. It’s not their fault teams like USC, Stanford, Florida State, etc have fallen off the map
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Michigan speedywheels so..
I don’t have a dog in this race but how does anyone on the planet look at the schedules and come away thinking ND played a tougher schedule than Michigan? Come on now. ND’s best win was Wisconsin. Michigan beat them too. They also played Michigan State and Penn State, both of which are likely far better than anyone else on NDs schedule outside of Cincy and Wisconsin. I also think Ohio State is far better than Cincy and would curb stomp them if they had played, but I understand that’s not provable.
Michigan didn’t play a murders row schedule but it’s far better than what Norte Dame played on a weekly basis.
Only ND fans think that, no one else does.
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I am under no illusions ND gets in absent a lot of chaos next weekend, which is entirely possible.
It would be a different situation if they were in a conference.
The conference thing is a bit overhyped. I've heard that ND doesn't have rivals in a conference like SEC, ACC and Big 10. But they play a part ACC schedule and teams they have played against for decades. What team that they play does not circle ND on the calendar each year?
And each team has "patsies" on its schedule - basically practice weeks.
Yes it is hard to dispute OSU-UM(especially), Alabama- Auburn, Alabama Georgia are bigtime rivalries or OK -OK St.
I wouldn't mind ND in the ACC, but it would be hard for them to give up USC, Perdue and Navy(which they will never do). They already play Georgia Tech, and playing against FSU, Miami, NC, VA each year would be fine by me.
But would that enhance their standing with the CFP committee?
I think they have always played a competitive schedule. It is not SEC West but even that conference has times where teams fall off.
This is right. I'm not an ND guy, but they absolutely try to make a very competitive schedule. Unfortunately for them, USC, Stanford, VT, FSU have performed poorly. Otherwise, those are seriously good brand names - typically.
Parts of these schedules are made years in advance. So if you schedule a game against team X when team X is good, that doesn't mean team X will be as good when you actually play.
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I don't see 'Bama beating UGA in ATL. Does a two win 'Bama team make it over a 11-1 ND or a possible 12-1 OK State team?
If 'Bama loses & OK State wins, it should be 1) Georgia, 2) Michigan (assuming UM beats Iowa), Cincy (assuming they win), & OK State.
I don’t see Bama winning either. Georgia is firing on all cylinders and it’s a home game for them.
I know Notre Dame fans don’t want to hear this but not playing a conference championship game next week will screw them. If Alabama loses, one of Cincinnati, Oklahoma state, or Michigan will need to lose for ND to have a spot in the top 4.
It depends. If Alabama loses to Georgia (likely) and Oklahoma State loses to Baylor (50-50 chance), ND gets in the playoff while sitting on the couch.
Don't overlook Iowa vs. Michigan either. Its a tough rebound for Michigan emotionally after beating their biggest rival for the first time in a big spot in 20+ years. I definitely could see Iowa winning, because they're no slouches. They're a 10 win team
Holy shit - are you serious? LOL…
well....if houston beats cincy, baylor beats ok st and georgia beats bama you could see a michigan-notre dame game bigger than no other before it
And when ND loses to those teams, we better not hear any whining from ND fans…