Biggest rivals in CFB play at noon. Historically, Harbaugh can't beat Ohio State, but the Wolverines are rolling! Could this be the day where Michigan finally beats THE Ohio State?
Florida St (5-7)
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
Florida St (5-7)
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
That's a trash schedule aside from Wisconsin
Agree. But the committee loves ND, even if they don’t deserve it. They always get a poll bump when they don’t deserve it
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
Lol. Big 10 makes much more sense than ACC.
Fuck the big donors. Conference play would make them much more money. But let them play navy et al. And then whine…
should be able to beat this stanford team. They have no talent anywhere.
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.
But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
Quit while you're ahead.
They'll probably get clobbered, first of all
A game against the Buckeyes that has no conference implications is less impactful than when you're in a conference. It's a freeroll for Notre Dame to play a big time opponent as an independent. A conference loss is much more damaging because it can prevent a team from winning a conference. It's way harder to win a conference than to do what Notre Dame does
Exhibit A: Ohio State has one conference loss in 2021
joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
What a moron. Follow the money. If ND were to join the Big10 they would lose their lucrative TV contract, and have to share money with the Big 10 teams. Besides Ohio st and Michigan the Big 10 teams are trash. Acc when Clemson rolling is just as competitive. Polls over ranked Penn St all year to make it look like these teams faced another ranked opponent. Rutgers Maryland is no better than facing the Service Academies.
so 5 minutes ago it was "notre dame wants no part of playing Ohio State"
Then absolute proof that you are full of shit is shown to you, and well they'll get clobbered anyways and they basically have a free roll.
You made up something that was pure horse shit and now spewing more garbage.
Just admit you made up something because you sound like a fool.
Notre Dame sets up a couple of big games as free rolls. If they win them, great, they're in good position for the playoff. If they lose them, no big deal. It's not a conference loss that prevents them from playing a big game late in the season.
For decades, the Big 10 wanted to expand past 10 teams and couldn't because nobody until Penn State in the early 90s wanted to be the third wheel in a conference with Michigan and Ohio State. Anybody that joined the Big 10 was going to be that third wheel.
Notre Dame has one foot in the door of the ACC because they get Clemson and/or one of the Florida teams (if they ever got their act together) as free rolls on the way to a potential 1-loss season and CFB consideration. If they were in the ACC they'd have to get through Clemson most years to get into the playoff, and that's not happening most of the time. ND staying independent is the path of least resistance for them
They can lose the game and still have a clear path to the playoff.
Just admit you made up something about Notre Dame wanting no part of playing Ohio State and we'll move on
Nope, because Ohio State would have to go undefeated in the Big 10 to make the playoff. See what happened to Ohio State this year with Oregon.
Conference games have far more riding on them. If ND was in the ACC in Clemson's division and lost to Clemson, that effectively eliminates them from a conference championship game. Same thing if they played Ohio State as a conference game. Going 11-1 or 12-0 is much easier when you're not in a conference.
The best example here is Penn State. They had a bunch of undefeated seasons and two national championships before joining the Big 10. Since they joined the Big 10, they have 1 undefeated season (1994). Otherwise, they're getting beat most of the time by Ohio State and at least half the time by either Michigan or Michigan State.
An independent Penn State would theoretically have a better chance to make the playoff at 11-1 provided they played a decent schedule, than go 11-1, lose to Ohio State and get blocked
They'll likely stay at #3
It’s a rivalry game - winning with “style points” goes out the door. No doubt they will remain in the top 4. As well they should.
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Classic Patriot play by O'Brien. Pats have run that play a lot near the goal line over the years...
Scenario: Oklahoma beats Oklahoma St twice or Oklahoma St beats Oklahoma and then Baylor next week. Their resumes would be better than ND
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Wisconsin at 8-4 and Purdue at 8-4. That's it. They don't have a signature win
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Wisconsin at 8-4 and Purdue at 8-4. That's it. They don't have a signature win
Nope. Their lame schedule will come back to bite them.
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
That's a trash schedule aside from Wisconsin
Toledo (MAC team)
Purdue (8-4)
Wisconsin (8-4, only ranked win)
Virginia Tech (6-6)
USC (4-6, likely 4-7 after tonight)
North Carolina (6-6)
Navy (3-8)
Virginia (6-6)
Georgia Tech (3-9)
Stanford (3-9)
That's a trash schedule aside from Wisconsin
Agree. But the committee loves ND, even if they don’t deserve it. They always get a poll bump when they don’t deserve it
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Because they haven’t had played - nevermind beaten - anyone of note?
ND fans hate when people point that out.
I’ve changed my mind - even if OK beats OKC, they deserve to be ranked ahead of ND. A 10 beating a 7 on the road? Yep that beats anything ND has done.
Sorry, truth hurts.
If you want to argue having the potential conference championship would help them, sure, but otherwise that position is just remarkably dumb.
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Because they haven’t had played - nevermind beaten - anyone of note?
ND fans hate when people point that out.
I’ve changed my mind - even if OK beats OKC, they deserve to be ranked ahead of ND. A 10 beating a 7 on the road? Yep that beats anything ND has done.
Sorry, truth hurts.
To finish 12-1, Oklahoma will have to beat Oklahoma St twice in consecutive weeks
Oklahoma State, definitely possible.
Oklahoma, dont see it. Committee hasn't liked them all year and I dont see them liking them in 2 weeks either.
I think the only team that can give Georgia a game is Bama, because of Saban. I dont see anyone else being able to sniff scoring enough to win.
When his program sucks, no one says a word. They just arent talked about and he doesnt get any heat on him.
I want a 50 burger tonight just to rub that smug assholes face in it
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1. Georgia
2. Michigan
3. Alabama
4. Cincinnati
5. Notre Dame (assuming they win later)
6. Winner of Bedlam (Oklahoma at Oklahoma State)
Bama and CIN may swap, but that’s quibbling.
As for 5 and 6 - if OKC wins, they should be ranked ahead of ND, given the level of competition.
ND needs to join a conference if they are to be taken seriously
Why?
Because they haven’t had played - nevermind beaten - anyone of note?
ND fans hate when people point that out.
I’ve changed my mind - even if OK beats OKC, they deserve to be ranked ahead of ND. A 10 beating a 7 on the road? Yep that beats anything ND has done.
Sorry, truth hurts.
To finish 12-1, Oklahoma will have to beat Oklahoma St twice in consecutive weeks
Ok. But i was talking about the rankings after this weekend.
But ND shouldn’t be rewarded for continuing to bail out of being in a conference. Pussies that they are.
How the hell did Oregon lose to this Stanford team? They are one of the worst power 5 teams ive seen in a while that isn't Vandy or Kansas
How the hell did Oregon lose to this Stanford team? They are one of the worst power 5 teams ive seen in a while that isn't Vandy or Kansas
They had SIGNIFICANT injuries, plus SIX bullshit penalties called against them. Including the 4th down PI that would have ended the game.
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
They play a more difficult schedule most seasons than they would if they were in a conference.
Please help us out here. If they joined the big 10 (and they would never even consider doing so, ACC was always going to be the destination if they do join a conference) they would have a downgrade in SOS in most seasons.
They dont join a conference because it's important to the big money donors that they stay independent and financially it has always made sense for them to stay independent.
Lol. Big 10 makes much more sense than ACC.
Fuck the big donors. Conference play would make them much more money. But let them play navy et al. And then whine…
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
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should be able to beat this stanford team. They have no talent anywhere.
Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.
I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.
But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
Has absolutely nothing to do with that. Has everything to do with they have no interest in playing almost all of their games in the north and midwest.
They have ohio state on the schedule the next two seasons. They played michigan basically every year for years.
The big 10 never has been and never will be an option.
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joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
Quit while you're ahead.
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joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
You sound foolish when they have Ohio State on their schedule next year, at Columbus.
Quit while you're ahead.
They'll probably get clobbered, first of all
A game against the Buckeyes that has no conference implications is less impactful than when you're in a conference. It's a freeroll for Notre Dame to play a big time opponent as an independent. A conference loss is much more damaging because it can prevent a team from winning a conference. It's way harder to win a conference than to do what Notre Dame does
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joining a conference would in most years mean an easier schedule.
Michigan scheduled Western Michigan and Northern Illinois this year. On top of having at least 3 awful Big 10 teams on their schedule every year.
The "join a conference" argument doesnt make sense when their schedule is more difficult than it would be in a conference.
There is an argument to be made about not being in a conference hurting them because they dont have the ability to win a conference title, but as far as the strength of schedule argument goes it doesnt make even a little bit of sense.
If Notre Dame was in the Big 10 they would have to play Ohio State. They don't want any part of the Buckeyes
What a moron. Follow the money. If ND were to join the Big10 they would lose their lucrative TV contract, and have to share money with the Big 10 teams. Besides Ohio st and Michigan the Big 10 teams are trash. Acc when Clemson rolling is just as competitive. Polls over ranked Penn St all year to make it look like these teams faced another ranked opponent. Rutgers Maryland is no better than facing the Service Academies.
Then absolute proof that you are full of shit is shown to you, and well they'll get clobbered anyways and they basically have a free roll.
You made up something that was pure horse shit and now spewing more garbage.
Just admit you made up something because you sound like a fool.
Then absolute proof that you are full of shit is shown to you, and well they'll get clobbered anyways and they basically have a free roll.
You made up something that was pure horse shit and now spewing more garbage.
Just admit you made up something because you sound like a fool.
Notre Dame sets up a couple of big games as free rolls. If they win them, great, they're in good position for the playoff. If they lose them, no big deal. It's not a conference loss that prevents them from playing a big game late in the season.
For decades, the Big 10 wanted to expand past 10 teams and couldn't because nobody until Penn State in the early 90s wanted to be the third wheel in a conference with Michigan and Ohio State. Anybody that joined the Big 10 was going to be that third wheel.
Notre Dame has one foot in the door of the ACC because they get Clemson and/or one of the Florida teams (if they ever got their act together) as free rolls on the way to a potential 1-loss season and CFB consideration. If they were in the ACC they'd have to get through Clemson most years to get into the playoff, and that's not happening most of the time. ND staying independent is the path of least resistance for them
There are no such things as "free rolls" when you have very little path to the playoff if you dont go undefeated if you're ND.
You're full of shit. You made something up and now you're moving goalposts and spewing more garbage.
They can lose the game and still have a clear path to the playoff.
Just admit you made up something about Notre Dame wanting no part of playing Ohio State and we'll move on
They can lose the game and still have a clear path to the playoff.
Just admit you made up something about Notre Dame wanting no part of playing Ohio State and we'll move on
Nope, because Ohio State would have to go undefeated in the Big 10 to make the playoff. See what happened to Ohio State this year with Oregon.
Conference games have far more riding on them. If ND was in the ACC in Clemson's division and lost to Clemson, that effectively eliminates them from a conference championship game. Same thing if they played Ohio State as a conference game. Going 11-1 or 12-0 is much easier when you're not in a conference.
The best example here is Penn State. They had a bunch of undefeated seasons and two national championships before joining the Big 10. Since they joined the Big 10, they have 1 undefeated season (1994). Otherwise, they're getting beat most of the time by Ohio State and at least half the time by either Michigan or Michigan State.
An independent Penn State would theoretically have a better chance to make the playoff at 11-1 provided they played a decent schedule, than go 11-1, lose to Ohio State and get blocked