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CFB Saturday - The Big Game is Ohio State vs. Michigan

Anakim : 11/27/2021 8:31 am
Biggest rivals in CFB play at noon. Historically, Harbaugh can't beat Ohio State, but the Wolverines are rolling! Could this be the day where Michigan finally beats THE Ohio State?


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RE: RE: RE: 22 warm bodies  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:19 pm : link
In comment 15468805 Mook80 said:
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should be able to beat this stanford team. They have no talent anywhere.



Sounds like someone who didn’t watch the game.



I watched the 4th quarter. I know there were a couple of bad calls at the end.

But that game never in a million years should have been up for grabs. Stanford shouldn't be within even 2 scores at the end of a game against anyone decent.


Wow, good for you, you watched one whole quarter!

Why are guys comparing OR to ND? They are ranked 11th.

Where was ND’s signature win this year? WIS? They lost today. PUR? Meh. Otherwise, every other win was vs a team 500 or below.

Why should they be in the top 4?

Because the TV contracts are that much more lucrative?

Get the fuck out of here….
More complete bullshit from a ND apologist.  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:26 pm : link
Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.

Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.

Play a real fucking schedule
Crazy ending for LSU  
GNewGiants : 11/27/2021 10:27 pm : link
What a series by their QB.
I'm not entirely  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:29 pm : link
sure where I compared ND to Oregon?

I simply made an observation watching Stanford trying to figure out how a decent team like Oregon lost to them.

There's an argument to be made for ND being in. Also one to be made for them not. I'll be fine either way if they don't get in. I think they will get in over Oklahoma but not Oklahoma state, but fine either way. I dont think it will be egregious either way.

I'm also not sure where the evidence is that they have ever been favored by the committee. They were absolutely going to get royally fucked by the committee in 2015 if they beat Stanford. Their resume was way better than Oklahoma that year and they had oklahoma jump ND after week 11 so they didnt look like assholes doing so if ND beat Stanford they already had Oklahoma ahead of them so they could justify keeping Oklahoma above them.

ND wound up losing the Stanford game on the final play, but the committee was setting them up for a royal screw job that year when their only loss was a 2point loss at clemson where they lost on the last play of the game.

That has to be a TD  
GNewGiants : 11/27/2021 10:31 pm : link
In Oklahoma St.
ND won’t ever know what it’s like to play a conference rival game  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:32 pm : link
Because they are pussies and hide behind the “money” flag.

Even though they could earn significantly more long term by playing in an actual conference.

That’s a terrible call  
GNewGiants : 11/27/2021 10:33 pm : link
Horrific. That was a TD
RE: More complete bullshit from a ND apologist.  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:36 pm : link
In comment 15468855 speedywheels said:
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Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.

Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.

Play a real fucking schedule


You are really making a fool of yourself. They play a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan does. That's not opinion, that's fact.

Michigan scheduled Northern Illinois and Western michigan this year. On top of playing some absolutely dreadful Big 10 teams.

Joining a conference would mean easier SOS for ND to play against. Putting "suck a dick" at the end of it doesn't make what you're saying true, just makes you sound like even more of a fool when you don't know what you are talking about.

When ND has a reason to join a conference financially, they will do so. Until then, they wont. It's pretty simple.

You can easily argue ND makes it much more difficult on themselves to make the playoffs by not being in a conference. Their only clear path to making it is to go undefeated. They could still possibly make it otherwise, but takes a lot of things to go their way. Michigan lost that MSU game and their path was still very clear, same with Ohio State and Oregon.

They aren't "pussies" for playing a more difficult schedule than most conference schools do in most years (this year not withstanding, most of the regular powers on their schedule this year had down years).

Michigan fans beat Ohio State for the first time in a big spot since the Clinton administration and they lose their minds.
RE: I'm not entirely  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:39 pm : link
In comment 15468858 Mook80 said:
[quote] sure where I compared ND to Oregon?

I simply made an observation watching Stanford trying to figure out how a decent team like Oregon lost to them.

There's an argument to be made for ND being in. Also one to be made for them not. I'll be fine either way if they don't get in. I think they will get in over Oklahoma but not Oklahoma state, but fine either way. I dont think it will be egregious either way.

I'm also not sure where the evidence is that they have ever been favored by the committee. They were absolutely going to get royally fucked by the committee in 2015 if they beat Stanford. Their resume was way better than Oklahoma that year and they had oklahoma jump ND after week 11 so they didnt look like assholes doing so if ND beat Stanford they already had Oklahoma ahead of them so they could justify keeping Oklahoma above them.

ND wound up losing the Stanford game on the final play, but the committee was setting them up for a royal screw job that year when their only loss was a 2point loss at clemson where they lost on the last play of the game.
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LOL! The committee would chose ND every time because of people like you, the whiners like you.

You compared ND to OR when questioning why they lost to Stanford.
ND is supposedly top 4 so they should crush Stanford. OR is ranked 11th, so who the fuck cares how they did vs a conference opponent?

BTW - that’s something ND knows anything about,lol.

But as long as ND keeps making that TV money, right?!?
RE: ND won’t ever know what it’s like to play a conference rival game  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:42 pm : link
In comment 15468860 speedywheels said:
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Because they are pussies and hide behind the “money” flag.

Even though they could earn significantly more long term by playing in an actual conference.


Yes, playing a more difficult schedule by being independent makes them pussies.

You have absolutely zero clue what they could earn long term. The people who make that decision at ND have a hell of a lot more data to work with. And the big time alumni that fund that entire school have ZERO interest in being in a conference. Until that last part changes, being independent wont change.

It's not simply a what can we make more money on. A lot of donors who donate millions upon millions each year have zero interest in being in a conference.

They believe being independent is very important to the brand. Allows them to schedule all over the country. Allows them to go play in Ireland when they want. Allows them to schedule the shamrock series and play all over the country in NFL/MLB stadiums.

It's not simply what could make the university the most money. ND could monetize their program a lot more than they do as far as advertisements in the stadium and they wont do it. They wont do it on the video board. Hell, it took forever to convince the big donors at the school to put a video board in. They wanted no part of any of that.

I'm guessing  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:43 pm : link
you hit the bottle early after the Michigan game.
anyone who says  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:45 pm : link
it's about the tv money doesn't know what they're talking about either.

It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.

They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.

Great job  
GNewGiants : 11/27/2021 10:45 pm : link
By the referees by picking up the flag. A “push” was very mild.
Short term  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:46 pm : link
going into a conference would probably be beneficial money wise.

But long term the brand would be hurt. And the big money donors don't want it. Doesn't matter if they can make more money, they dont want it and the school isnt about to piss those people off. They fund that university.
Another reason why it's harder being in a conference  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 10:47 pm : link
is because the same teams are gunning for you every year. The only real example of this at a high level for Notre Dame is USC, and they're terrible right now. Normally, Notre Dame has a couple of big games on their schedule so they have a legit schedule, but that wasn't the case this year with USC being terrible, not playing Clemson, etc.

The four teams in the Big 10 East (Ohio State, Michigan, Michigan State and Penn State) is a gauntlet. The SEC West is a gauntlet. If Florida and Tennessee (who are traditional powers) were any good and got their acts together, the SEC East would be a gauntlet. My point about conference losses being more damaging stands. See Penn State's plunge from national championship contender in their pre-Big 10 days to occasional conference contender
RE: RE: More complete bullshit from a ND apologist.  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:48 pm : link
In comment 15468866 Mook80 said:
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Until they pull up their big boy pants and play in a conference, they can suck a dick. Sacrifice some short term money and play for a title by earning it.

Not by playing Navy et al every year and whining about it.

Play a real fucking schedule



You are really making a fool of yourself. They play a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan does. That's not opinion, that's fact.

Michigan scheduled Northern Illinois and Western michigan this year. On top of playing some absolutely dreadful Big 10 teams.

Joining a conference would mean easier SOS for ND to play against. Putting "suck a dick" at the end of it doesn't make what you're saying true, just makes you sound like even more of a fool when you don't know what you are talking about.

When ND has a reason to join a conference financially, they will do so. Until then, they wont. It's pretty simple.

You can easily argue ND makes it much more difficult on themselves to make the playoffs by not being in a conference. Their only clear path to making it is to go undefeated. They could still possibly make it otherwise, but takes a lot of things to go their way. Michigan lost that MSU game and their path was still very clear, same with Ohio State and Oregon.

They aren't "pussies" for playing a more difficult schedule than most conference schools do in most years (this year not withstanding, most of the regular powers on their schedule this year had down years).

Michigan fans beat Ohio State for the first time in a big spot since the Clinton administration and they lose their minds.


You can try to keep justifying their insistence on avoiding joining a conference, but you’ll keep embarrassing yourself.

If they want to be taken seriously, then join a fucking conference. If the big 12 “messes up” their SOS, then join the SEC.

Oh, right - you’ll whine about the academic standards getting in the way.

You ND have all sorts of built in excuses,don’t you?

Suck it up, buttercup - their schedule didn’t stack up this year. Maybe they’ll Measure up next year!
if you're going to say  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:49 pm : link
"play a real schedule" you may want to actually look at ND's schedule versus any of the big 10 teams in the last decade.

When you do that, get back to us. I'm guessing you're just drunk which is fine, but they play a more difficult schedule than OSU or Michigan do in most years. So maybe those two should play a real fucking schedule?

Or is it only a real schedule if it's a big 10 schedule. Scheduling Navy would be an upgrade to some of the shit Big 10 teams schedule OOC, hell Rutgers is on most teams schedule. Rutgers would die and go to heaven if their program was as good as Navy's
this Oklahoma - Oklahoma State game is a good one -  
Del Shofner : 11/27/2021 10:50 pm : link
looks like some candidates for the NFL on both teams.
Lol  
MyNameIsMyName : 11/27/2021 10:51 pm : link
At ND usually playing a tougher schedule than Michigan. That’s just simply not true
RE: Short term  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15468873 Mook80 said:
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going into a conference would probably be beneficial money wise.

But long term the brand would be hurt. And the big money donors don't want it. Doesn't matter if they can make more money, they dont want it and the school isnt about to piss those people off. They fund that university.


If the playoff expands to 8 teams or more, Notre Dame will never join a conference. All they'd have to do is go 10-2 and they'd get the last spot in the playoff every year
RE: anyone who says  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:51 pm : link
In comment 15468871 Mook80 said:
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it's about the tv money doesn't know what they're talking about either.

It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.

They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.


Haha! And there is the “brand” argument.

Bama’s brand doesn’t seem to be hurt too much by being in a conference. Neither does OSU. And several others.

LOL - keep trying…
their schedule  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:52 pm : link
has been better than Michigan or Ohio State's for the last decade by a wide margin.

I'm sure you're drunk, but even sober you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, so drunk you is an even more stupid human being which is frightening.

Again, get back to us when you look at ND's SOS vs Michigan's over the last decade.

No matter how many times you say suck a dick or pussies, it still wont make anything you have said true.

Michigan fans awfully cocky beating a decent team for the first time in forever. I'll look forward to the beating they get from Georgia if they get that far.
in other news, Army beat Liberty to move to 9-3 -  
Del Shofner : 11/27/2021 10:53 pm : link
last game is Navy on Dec. 11. Navy has been really up and down - they've been very competitive in some games and terrible in others.
Teams that were always  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 10:56 pm : link
in a conference.

ND markets much differently. They arent a huge state school. It's a small catholic school in the middle of nowhere in Indiana.

You have still not given an actual reason why ND needs to join a conference. They have shown they can make the playoff without being in one. They are fine with their paths being a lot more limited to keep their independence.

Your argument would make a lot more sense if they actually scheduled weak year in and year out, but the exact opposite of what you're saying is true. This year's schedule was an outlier, because the big national brands that were on it almost all had down seasons. But I guess according to you they should have known that 5 years ago.

Even in a "down" year for ND's schedule their SOS is still comparable to Michigans.
RE: anyone who says  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 10:56 pm : link
In comment 15468871 Mook80 said:
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it's about the tv money doesn't know what they're talking about either.

It's about a lot more than simply money as far as tv contracts and what not.

They are convinced the brand will be significantly hurt by being in a conference.


No. They are convinced, and correctly so, that they will never sniff the CFB if they joined the Big 10 and had to beat Ohio State every year, like Penn State fails to do. They are convinced, and correctly so, that if they joined the ACC they would have to beat Clemson every year, and would have a much more difficult time getting in the playoff losing to Clemson most years.

Their brand would be hurt because they would only get to the top 4 once in a blue moon
RE: if you're going to say  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 10:57 pm : link
In comment 15468877 Mook80 said:
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"play a real schedule" you may want to actually look at ND's schedule versus any of the big 10 teams in the last decade.

When you do that, get back to us. I'm guessing you're just drunk which is fine, but they play a more difficult schedule than OSU or Michigan do in most years. So maybe those two should play a real fucking schedule?

Or is it only a real schedule if it's a big 10 schedule. Scheduling Navy would be an upgrade to some of the shit Big 10 teams schedule OOC, hell Rutgers is on most teams schedule. Rutgers would die and go to heaven if their program was as good as Navy's


LOL - more bullshit from ND apologist.

Play a true conference rival and get back to me. Records hardly matter. Or did you not see the Iron bowl today? Or the WIS/MN game? Or even the UO/OSU game?

Until they move to a conference, they can shut the fuck up.

Remember, unless you're the SEC  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 10:57 pm : link
only one team from a conference gets to the playoff, and often times, conferences are completely shut out
OK state takes the lead  
RCPhoenix : 11/27/2021 10:59 pm : link
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RE: their schedule  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 11:00 pm : link
In comment 15468882 Mook80 said:
[quote] has been better than Michigan or Ohio State's for the last decade by a wide margin.

I'm sure you're drunk, but even sober you have no idea what the hell you're talking about, so drunk you is an even more stupid human being which is frightening.

Again, get back to us when you look at ND's SOS vs Michigan's over the last decade.

No matter how many times you say suck a dick or pussies, it still wont make anything you have said true.

Michigan fans awfully cocky beating a decent team for the first time in forever. I'll look forward to the beating they get from Georgia if they get that far. [/quote

And I’m the one who’s drunk? Lol. As usual, you haven’t a clue here.

Like ND would do an better vs GA?? LOL..

Hey  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:02 pm : link
at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.

Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.

Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.

Well done.
ND  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:04 pm : link
would get the same beating from Georgia. No argument there.

Bama didnt look good today but they are still the only team who can beat Georgia because Saban can neutralize a game himself.

ND and Michigan wouldnt score offensively against Georgia
So if OKC wins  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 11:05 pm : link
What argument does ND have to be ranked over them.

Beating their in state rival - who is ranked 10th, btw - with one loss should somehow be ranked behind ND? In what world does that make sense?
neither would Cincy  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:05 pm : link
Michigan can make it to the title game, but they wont make it if Bama wins next week, because they will have to play Bama in that scenario.

Who does Michigan even have to play in the title game now? Iowa? Ohh that's so difficult I have no idea how they'll ever survive that game
OKC?  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:06 pm : link
I think ND would have a good argument to be in over the OKC Thunder. One plays basketball so I think ND can definitely beat them at football.

RE: OK state takes the lead  
Del Shofner : 11/27/2021 11:09 pm : link
In comment 15468890 RCPhoenix said:
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really good game
RE: neither would Cincy  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 11:10 pm : link
In comment 15468899 Mook80 said:
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Michigan can make it to the title game, but they wont make it if Bama wins next week, because they will have to play Bama in that scenario.

Who does Michigan even have to play in the title game now? Iowa? Ohh that's so difficult I have no idea how they'll ever survive that game


Iowa is 10-2. It would actually be a better win than anything Notre Dame has
RE: Hey  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 11:11 pm : link
In comment 15468893 Mook80 said:
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at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.

Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.

Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.

Well done.


That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year

Something ND knows nothing about.
Neither  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:11 pm : link
Oklahoma State nor Oklahoma have a particularly great resume. I could see them being ahead and i could see them being behind. Coin flip imo. The big 12 is total dogshit this year. Oklahoma has looked like real shit against some really, really bad teams too. All 3 teams have flaws and warts.

None of them have a legit gripe if they get left out.
RE: RE: OK state takes the lead  
RCPhoenix : 11/27/2021 11:12 pm : link
In comment 15468904 Del Shofner said:
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really good game


Rivalry games really are awesome - this has been a great day of college football.
RE: RE: Hey  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:13 pm : link
In comment 15468906 speedywheels said:
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In comment 15468893 Mook80 said:


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at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.

Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.

Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.

Well done.



That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year

Something ND knows nothing about.


Then how do you explain Notre Dame having a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan?

Or do facts not matter to you?

I'm fairly confident Notre Dame could pull off what Harbaugh has done at Michigan against big teams. Because just having a pulse before today would have been the same as what Harbaugh has done.

One win against OSU and you guys all have amnesia
RE: OKC?  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 11:15 pm : link
In comment 15468900 Mook80 said:
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I think ND would have a good argument to be in over the OKC Thunder. One plays basketball so I think ND can definitely beat them at football.


OSU. Fucking autocorrect.

But go ahead and deflect from the argument that ND doesn’t belong in thr top 4.

Keep deflecting, asshole. Sure sign of someone badly losing an argument…
4th and the game for Oklahoma...  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 11:16 pm : link
Caleb Williams almost makes a ridiculous escape for a 1st down and is stopped
RE: RE: RE: Hey  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 11:18 pm : link
In comment 15468910 Mook80 said:
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In comment 15468906 speedywheels said:


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In comment 15468893 Mook80 said:


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at least Michigan is finally going to catch up to ND this year as far as conference title games played in.

Only problem ND played in a conference one year and played for a title that year.

Big 10 has had a conference title game for 11 years now and this will be the first one they play in.

Well done.



That’s because they play real teams EVERY year. Not a one/done like ND. Let’s see how ND would do playing OSU, etc each year

Something ND knows nothing about.



Then how do you explain Notre Dame having a more difficult schedule most years than Michigan?

Or do facts not matter to you?

I'm fairly confident Notre Dame could pull off what Harbaugh has done at Michigan against big teams. Because just having a pulse before today would have been the same as what Harbaugh has done.

One win against OSU and you guys all have amnesia


Well maybe if the pussies joined the conference, we could actually see what they could do.

But they can’t, they would lose so much money. And the hit the “brand” would take!!

LOL
2023  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:18 pm : link
ND has Ohio State at home and Clemson @ Clemson.

They must have missed the memo about playing a real schedule for that season. Two cupcakes

Next year they go to columbus and have clemson at home.

Please let me know what "real schedule" means. Because they have 2 of the top 3 programs of the last decade on their schedule the next 2 years.

Do they need to play Bama too to make it a real schedule?
Oklahoma has 80 yards to go  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 11:20 pm : link
54 seconds, no timeouts. They were able to get the ball back after burning the timeouts
Caleb Williams is a prodigy at QB  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 11:21 pm : link
Just unreal
Only way  
Mook80 : 11/27/2021 11:23 pm : link
Oklahoma State is going to lose is with what just happened.


That 1st down throw needed to be fired in there. He had him but put too much air under it


Shocked the ref didnt call that PI. I like that it wasnt but its almost always called.
4th and 10 for Oklahoma  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 11:24 pm : link
14 seconds left
RE: 2023  
speedywheels : 11/27/2021 11:24 pm : link
In comment 15468916 Mook80 said:
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ND has Ohio State at home and Clemson @ Clemson.

They must have missed the memo about playing a real schedule for that season. Two cupcakes

Next year they go to columbus and have clemson at home.

Please let me know what "real schedule" means. Because they have 2 of the top 3 programs of the last decade on their schedule the next 2 years.

Do they need to play Bama too to make it a real schedule?
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So when they have (at least) two losses in 2022 and 2023 will you shut the fuck up?

I still don’t know what the hell that has to do with the cupcake schedule they had this year?
Oklahoma State wins Bedlam  
dpinzow : 11/27/2021 11:25 pm : link
They got Caleb Williams on 4th and 10. Their playoff chances are still alive and well
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