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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/28/2021 3:59 pm
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I was driving 4 hours  
BigBlueCane : 11/28/2021 7:44 pm : link
to get home and sounds like I didn't miss much.

RE: I was driving 4 hours  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/28/2021 7:55 pm : link
In comment 15471163 BigBlueCane said:
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to get home and sounds like I didn't miss much.


Defense made some plays but got torched on the ground by the Eagles run game. The INTs were exciting. Other than that you could have skipped the game, lol.
People are actually talking shit  
ajr2456 : 11/28/2021 7:58 pm : link
To other posters about this game? What a site.
RE: I was driving 4 hours  
section125 : 11/28/2021 7:59 pm : link
In comment 15471163 BigBlueCane said:
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to get home and sounds like I didn't miss much.


You did get to miss the usual anxiety!
RE: Not for nothing  
lawguy9801 : 11/28/2021 8:09 pm : link
In comment 15470418 Anakim said:
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This is the first time we won in our retro/alternative jersey, right? Going back to Big Red...


They beat the Cowboys in red in I think 2005
RE: RE: Not for nothing  
ajr2456 : 11/28/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15471199 lawguy9801 said:
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This is the first time we won in our retro/alternative jersey, right? Going back to Big Red...



They beat the Cowboys in red in I think 2005


They beat the Cowboys in 2016
RE: RE: This is a game bad teams lose.The Giants in their very bad years would  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 8:20 pm : link
In comment 15471149 bw in dc said:
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lose this gameby1 point after a last minute td. It didn’t happen and the Giants won. That’s worthy of celebration.

It doesn’t make the Giants a good team, but rather it s a step towards competitiveness with a very good defense. The offense needs lots of work including talent and coaching But it also needs playing together as units and as an offense. If that comes together we will be competitive.

I can’t understand why so called fans here can’t enjoy a ,win over the fxxcking Eagles. At least it’s worth two nights of enjoyment for fans. If you can only focus in the negative you belong in the trash with your Cowboy and Eagle Jerseys.

Good win Giants, great defense



It was a horrible game by both teams. We were just a little less horrible.

If that makes you feel great, good for you.

I prefer good football where we look competent on both sides of the ball. I got nothing out of this game. It was the epitome of NFC Least football.


LOL!! You didn’t get anything out of the defensive performance?

They made your boy “LJAX lite”’ look like a JV QB.

But i get how that puts you in a bad spot; either your boy completely SUCKED, or what we thought was a terrible defense made him look that way.

Either way, makes you look bad.

But you’re often wrong, so not that surprising.

I get wanting to see style points  
djm : 11/28/2021 8:37 pm : link
We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.

RE: I get wanting to see style points  
ajr2456 : 11/28/2021 8:39 pm : link
In comment 15471248 djm said:
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.


Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 8:51 pm : link
In comment 15471252 ajr2456 said:
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.


Lol. All these”fans” who root for losses, knowing the guy currently in charge has shown to be a complete idiot with his choices so far. And even if (hopefully when!) he gets replaced, we have not idea if the guy who replaces him will be any better.

Meanwhile we beat a division rival and people are bitching.

Maybe we should go back to when the Eagles beat us 12 times in a row?
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 11/28/2021 8:55 pm : link
1) I was hoping firing Garrett would mean Solder gets benched. No luck. Is Peart that bad in practice?

2) I am done with Barkley...and this is coming from one of the biggest proponents of the pick. Get the ball with less than 2 minutes and a narrow lead and you can't close it out with a #2 overall pick? Or even consider going for it on 4th and 3? Outside of the 32 yard run, he had what, 8 yards on 12 carries? Sorry. That is not all OL.

3) Still not sold on Jones, but they almost have no choice but to proceed one more year with him.

4) IF Gettleman really retires, it's a net gain for the Giants, but a real copout for ownership. They needed to actually fire him.
RE: RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
ajr2456 : 11/28/2021 9:02 pm : link
In comment 15471272 speedywheels said:
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.



Lol. All these”fans” who root for losses, knowing the guy currently in charge has shown to be a complete idiot with his choices so far. And even if (hopefully when!) he gets replaced, we have not idea if the guy who replaces him will be any better.

Meanwhile we beat a division rival and people are bitching.

Maybe we should go back to when the Eagles beat us 12 times in a row?


If what you saw today is something to be happy about go for it.

I don’t care just because they beat the Eagles. I want to see a good functional football team. They were pathetic today, the Eagles were just a tad bit more pathetic.
RE: RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
FStubbs : 11/28/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15471272 speedywheels said:
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.



Lol. All these”fans” who root for losses, knowing the guy currently in charge has shown to be a complete idiot with his choices so far. And even if (hopefully when!) he gets replaced, we have not idea if the guy who replaces him will be any better.

Meanwhile we beat a division rival and people are bitching.

Maybe we should go back to when the Eagles beat us 12 times in a row?


This. Any other year Reagor catches the ball and we lose another heartbreaker - even in years we were good.

I'll take wins over the Eagles any way we can get them, but I'm sure as a Giants fan I'm feeling better than the Eagles fans are right now to lose that way.
RE: RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
Scooter185 : 11/28/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15471272 speedywheels said:
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.



Lol. All these”fans” who root for losses, knowing the guy currently in charge has shown to be a complete idiot with his choices so far. And even if (hopefully when!) he gets replaced, we have not idea if the guy who replaces him will be any better.

Meanwhile we beat a division rival and people are bitching.

Maybe we should go back to when the Eagles beat us 12 times in a row?


Lol scare quoting fans.

I want the Giants to be competing for titles again, but I have no faith in the current iteration of this team to do so. I'd rather have lost by 50 today, especially if a loss would have been a "fire everyone" moment like Ralph V suggested, because completely rebooting the FO, potentially a new coaching staff, and as much roster changes as the cap allows is the way forward to being competitive again, IMV.

If you think that makes me a worse fan, whatever
I've attended three straight home games..  
BillKo : 11/28/2021 9:49 pm : link
...and they've won all of them.

Baby steps.
Barkley  
stretch234 : 11/28/2021 10:03 pm : link
He is the no 2 pick running behind the 32 OL. How many times is he hit in the backfield.

The only guy moving people off the ball is Thomas and they hardly ever run left.

As someone mentioned - how do you trust Peart to play LT when Thomas is injured but won’t let him play RT. Baffling

Some of us are able to believe two things  
Greg from LI : 11/28/2021 10:10 pm : link
1)beating the Eagles is always enjoyable

2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.
When you have been a losing team for a decade: any win is a good win  
Rick in Dallas : 11/28/2021 10:12 pm : link
We all know this team needs a major infusion of talent but Geez enjoy the win. Some of you guys are freaking unbelievable!!! Lighten up…
The Giants Won..,,
RE: When you have been a losing team for a decade: any win is a good win  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 10:18 pm : link
In comment 15471434 Rick in Dallas said:
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We all know this team needs a major infusion of talent but Geez enjoy the win. Some of you guys are freaking unbelievable!!! Lighten up…
The Giants Won..,,


Truth…
Of course  
Geomon : 11/28/2021 10:26 pm : link
Why would I ever come to a fucking Giants fan board to enjoy a win? That's insane. That's like trying to shove an apple pie up your ass because you think it'll taste better going in the other end.

Fucking pointless. We could win a Super Bowl and there'd still be people here complaining about X, Y, and Z.

Rant over.
RE: Of course  
ajr2456 : 11/28/2021 10:35 pm : link
In comment 15471470 Geomon said:
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Why would I ever come to a fucking Giants fan board to enjoy a win? That's insane. That's like trying to shove an apple pie up your ass because you think it'll taste better going in the other end.

Fucking pointless. We could win a Super Bowl and there'd still be people here complaining about X, Y, and Z.

Rant over.


This argument is so fucking stupid.
I can understand why so many on the board are unexcited by today's win  
manh george : 11/28/2021 10:43 pm : link
It comes down to:
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;

b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;

c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and

d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.

Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.

Or did I miss it?
RE: I can understand why so many on the board are unexcited by today's win  
Matt M. : 11/28/2021 10:59 pm : link
In comment 15471500 manh george said:
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It comes down to:
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;

b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;

c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and

d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.

Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.

Or did I miss it?
You missed nothing. This is spot on.
….  
ryanmkeane : 11/28/2021 11:17 pm : link
Saying the Giants are awful at every position is not true in the slightest.
RE: ….  
Matt M. : 11/28/2021 11:21 pm : link
In comment 15471547 ryanmkeane said:
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Saying the Giants are awful at every position is not true in the slightest.
He said virtually every position, which means most positions. I don't think that is very far off, even if it was offered as an exaggerated opinion.
RE: I can understand why so many on the board are unexcited by today's win  
dancing blue bear : 11/28/2021 11:36 pm : link
In comment 15471500 manh george said:
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It comes down to:
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;

b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;



c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and

d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.

Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.

Or did I miss it?


you did miss it. The defense won the game and played really well while missing important peices. They played with a lot of "evidence of growing talent" Dex, X, Robinson, Love, Aziz, and Roach, Holmes Crowder.

All very young players that are getting better
RE: Oh yea  
clatterbuck : 11/28/2021 11:46 pm : link
In comment 15470502 PaulN said:
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It's all the OLine. That's the new calling card, now Garrett is gone, we got tge weapons, it's all the OLine. Even with this OLine any even decent QB would win with this bunch. Jones stinks, it's easy for someone to say how bad Hurts is, and he is, but this fanbase refuses to see how fucking bad Jones is.


This offensive line is incompetent and shamefully so. Papa and Carl Banks on post-game were lamenting how truly awful it is, how "they can't block anybody," how even three-man rush was getting to Jones, how Barkley was getting blown up at the line of scrimmage, etc. So no, any decent QB would not win with this offensive line. That is just a rather ridiculous statement.
RE: ….  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15471547 ryanmkeane said:
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Saying the Giants are awful at every position is not true in the slightest.


What positions aren’t they awful at (besides kicker)?
RE: RE: This is a game bad teams lose.The Giants in their very bad years would  
clatterbuck : 11/28/2021 11:50 pm : link
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lose this gameby1 point after a last minute td. It didn’t happen and the Giants won. That’s worthy of celebration.

It doesn’t make the Giants a good team, but rather it s a step towards competitiveness with a very good defense. The offense needs lots of work including talent and coaching But it also needs playing together as units and as an offense. If that comes together we will be competitive.

I can’t understand why so called fans here can’t enjoy a ,win over the fxxcking Eagles. At least it’s worth two nights of enjoyment for fans. If you can only focus in the negative you belong in the trash with your Cowboy and Eagle Jerseys.

Good win Giants, great defense



It was a horrible game by both teams. We were just a little less horrible.

If that makes you feel great, good for you.

I prefer good football where we look competent on both sides of the ball. I got nothing out of this game. It was the epitome of NFC Least football.


We all prefer good football but I really prefer beating the effing Iggles in an ugly game much more than losing to the effing Iggles in an ugly game.
RE: I was driving 4 hours  
islander1 : 11/28/2021 11:52 pm : link
In comment 15471163 BigBlueCane said:
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to get home and sounds like I didn't miss much.


No, it was an objectivity shitty football game for both offenses.

I do give the Giants defense credit, they got back to playing well.
speedy  
ryanmkeane : 11/29/2021 12:13 am : link
Giants have two starting cornerbacks who are playing at a high level. They have one of the better young free safeties in football. They’ve got one of the better defensive linemen in football in Williams. They’ve got talent at receiver.

Edge and OL are glaring holes, as well as linebacker.
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ryanmkeane : 11/29/2021 12:14 am : link
The Giants have won three games in a row at home against teams who were considered to be fairly hot coming in.

Yeah, the offense sucks right now. But we aren’t “awful” at every position. You aren’t watching the games if that’s your actual opinion.
Let me rephrase  
ryanmkeane : 11/29/2021 12:15 am : link
the Panthers were not hot coming in to MetLife. But they were considered to be the better team.
I love the position of "if you don't love yesterday's win  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2021 6:57 am : link
You would probably hate a super bowl too". Wonderful argument.
Hey, last year Engram dropped a pass  
5BowlsSoon : 11/29/2021 7:28 am : link
And we lost. So yesterday Reager dropped a pass and now they lost. Glad to see things even out.

And we won despite watching those guys >200 yards rushing. How often does that happen? A team >200 yards rushing and loses?
That awkward throw and then bobble by Engram  
chick310 : 11/29/2021 7:58 am : link
that almost turned into an interception would have sent the site crashing down. Shades of 2020 peaking through yesterday.

To Engram's credit, his block/screen pass and run was one of the best plays from that offensive game. And one of his best of the year.
RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
joeinpa : 11/29/2021 9:09 am : link
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.


Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.

Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
RE: RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
ajr2456 : 11/29/2021 9:13 am : link
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.



Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.

Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.


The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.

We hear from the same people on this board how “the late season run is going to teach them how to win” and “it’s going to carry over to next year”, yet here we are again playing meaningless football games in November.

Learning how to win isn’t a thing. The only way to win is to get better players.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
joeinpa : 11/29/2021 9:31 am : link
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.

I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.




Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.



Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.

Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.



The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.

We hear from the same people on this board how “the late season run is going to teach them how to win” and “it’s going to carry over to next year”, yet here we are again playing meaningless football games in November.

Learning how to win isn’t a thing. The only way to win is to get better players.


One could argue the steps towards championships begin with small steps.

One could argue that the upcoming game is something to look forward to in that the Giants are only 1 game out of the 7 th seed.

I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

Plus as a fan I don’t want to write off the season with 6 games left. Every season is an entity in it s own, yesterday s win was absolutely meaningful in that context.

It s a matter of perception, you have yours, I have mine.

This isn't a late season run. They are 4-4 over their last 8 games  
PatersonPlank : 11/29/2021 9:31 am : link
If they keep this up it will be 7-7 over the final 14 games, which is like 80% of the season. In this context the proper way to look at it is that after the first 3 games brainfarts, they righted the ship and turned into a .500 team.

Not great, but certainly not as bad as some on here say we are. Going from 3 wins to a .500 record would certainly be a step in the right direction

We will see what happens, I am just speculating that if we continue our play of the last 8 games this is where we would be
RE: RE: RE: RE: I get wanting to see style points  
DonQuixote : 11/29/2021 9:45 am : link
In comment 15471808 ajr2456 said:
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The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.


When you are 3-7, the goal is to get to 4-7.
Here's the thing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2021 9:56 am : link
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
RE: Here's the thing  
Matt M. : 11/29/2021 10:21 am : link
In comment 15471898 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
It's been said since before then. That's why I am tired of people looking for moral victories. At this point, I wasn't thrilled with how we looked yesterday, but I'd still rather see an ugly win than a game we were supposedly "competitive in" for most of the game, but take the loss. When you have so many years of shit, losses can't be examined in bubbles. They are indicative of a team that doesn't know hot to win and/or isn't capable of winning. So, it becomes increasingly important to just grab wins wherever and however we can. This game fell into that category.

Earlier in the season, next week's Miami game is one I think many (most?) fans were counting as a game we should win. Now, they are a hot team with a very aggressive D. Back to back wins may be a tall task, but eventually this team has to win on consecutive weeks, right?
RE: Here's the thing  
joeinpa : 11/29/2021 10:41 am : link
In comment 15471898 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?


I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
RE: RE: Here's the thing  
Matt M. : 11/29/2021 10:58 am : link
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?



I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
I don't remember them PLAYING any games late in the season with playoff implications under Shurmer.
RE: Some of us are able to believe two things  
Jeffrey : 11/29/2021 11:09 am : link
In comment 15471428 Greg from LI said:
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1)beating the Eagles is always enjoyable

2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.


Yes to both of these points. I would add that Jones has done nothing to suggest that he can be more than a game manager. That said, if the draft is not strong in QBs I would hold on to Jones and stock up on OL and edge rushers with the premium picks this year. Don't reach for another QB.
RE: RE: Some of us are able to believe two things  
Matt M. : 11/29/2021 11:20 am : link
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1)beating the Eagles is always enjoyable

2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.



Yes to both of these points. I would add that Jones has done nothing to suggest that he can be more than a game manager. That said, if the draft is not strong in QBs I would hold on to Jones and stock up on OL and edge rushers with the premium picks this year. Don't reach for another QB.
Agreed. Jones has certainly not established himself this year as a true franchise QB. But, he also hasn't proven he sucks, which may be more important. If they can really improve the OL and return some healthy players on offense, he just might be good enough to start winning some games, which is the goal. I think they have more glaring holes right now, that the picks they've attained are more important to address those needs than try the crap shoot of a lottery QB.
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riceneggs : 11/29/2021 11:38 am : link
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Agreed. Jones has certainly not established himself this year as a true franchise QB. But, he also hasn't proven he sucks, which may be more important. .


Jones has definetely proved that he sucks. He just plays for the team we love, so we are sometimes slow to admit it.

But if he played for any other team and...
1 - threw a interception to a wide open DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
2 - stared down receivers 80% of the time (i've never heard a commentator say that DJ moved the defense with his eyes)
3 - whatever that was on the drive after the Boston Scott fumble
4 - list goes on...

we'd all say he was trash
RE: RE: Here's the thing  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2021 11:52 am : link
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?



I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.


Every time the subject of playing for draft position came up over the past 4 years, the argument was you needed to "build a culture, it'll pay off next season"
RE: RE: RE: Here's the thing  
Matt M. : 11/29/2021 11:56 am : link
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.

This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?



I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.



Every time the subject of playing for draft position came up over the past 4 years, the argument was you needed to "build a culture, it'll pay off next season"
I will say I have never been a fan of even thinking about playing for draft position. The goal EVERY week should be to win.
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