He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.
Lol, sure let’s go grab the guy that looked way worse than our guy today because you’ve been claiming he’s awesome for the first 1.5 years of his career
We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game
And I think he has a lot of promise but he is essentially broken at this point and idk if he can be rebuilt. Playing behind this line with these coaches will do that to you and it should be a sign that we do what we can so that we don’t do this to our next QB
we'd still be terrible and he might get killed behind this OL. Philly is definitely thinking about a QB in next year's draft. I hope they panic and draft one, because none of them are significantly better than Hurts
But the win feels great especially against Philly.
The run blocking looks serviceable when Booker & Penny play, as it did last year when Freeman, Gallman & Morris did. When Barkley's at RB they can't gain a yard.
We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game
Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB
It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it
Hurts is a good player
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 1:18 pm : link : reply
He isn't a great passer but he makes up for it with his legs and his general instincts. The guy is a gamer and has a ton of experience.
The proof exists that he can absolutely be a prolific player (123 total TDs in college including 52 his senior year) and he's highly productive now.
They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
but Booker was running the ball better behind this line then Barkley is. I will take 2nd and 6 over 2nd and 9 ,9 times out of 10 with a 30 yard run mixed in there that gives you false hope
Barkley isn't Barkley yet. I hope he can regain his form soon.
But the win feels great especially against Philly.
The run blocking looks serviceable when Booker & Penny play, as it did last year when Freeman, Gallman & Morris did. When Barkley's at RB they can't gain a yard.
Pretty obvious they play the run different when Barkley is back there. His long play today show his burst - you have to contain him at the line or it could be over. He is the only back that has that OBJ threat.
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 12:13 pm
I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.
But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.
For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.
So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.
Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.
He's played almost his entire career with the worst Offensive Line and skill players in the NFL. All while he himself is developing.
That's got to take its toll.
What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 12:13 pm
I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.
But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.
For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.
So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.
Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.
And? Just an accurate account where Hurts was prior to today.
several times on the final drive and not being picked out by Hurts. Smith slammed his helmet on the sideline in frustration, angry that the ball wasn't thrown his way.
Smith didn't have the diva reputation in college so that's definitely another strike against Hurts' ability as a passer
We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game
Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB
It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it
A starting RB? Are you drunk? Give Barkley a hole and he's gone. The O-line is God awful in the running game and not much better in the passing game.
He's played almost his entire career with the worst Offensive Line and skill players in the NFL. All while he himself is developing.
That's got to take its toll.
What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.
stop making excuses.
To score only 13 points when the other team turns the ball over
four times and you have no turnovers is a sign of a really bad offensive team. A better offensive line would help tremendously. A quarterback who could read defensives better would help tremendously. Receivers who can get separation would help tremendously. Running backs who could read the offensive line and immediately attack the opening would help tremendously.
A GM and scouting department who could evaluate talent would help tremendously.
He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.
Good God you are just an echo chamber. Hurts in no way, shape or form is better than Jones - except possibly running it and that is all he is good for. Could have been picked off twice more easily and probably should have been.
Neither should be a starter, but Hurts definitely is not worthy of starting.
He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.
Better than Jones?? Lol, that's a joke right?? The Eagles O-line is way better than the Giants. What were you watching?
I can’t stand Jones either but Terps cannot be taken seriously. He absolutely loves running QBs. No matter how bad they are at throwing the ball. He’s completely bought in to the running QB fad. If it were up to him the Giants would be playing the wishbone and drafting non throwing option QBs every season, it’ll save on the salary cap.
He's played almost his entire career with the worst Offensive Line and skill players in the NFL. All while he himself is developing.
That's got to take its toll.
What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.
Plenty of QB's have dealt with it and overcame it as the team got better. Many did it went you could hit low, the head and probably a second after releasing it as well.
He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.
Better than Jones?? Lol, that's a joke right?? The Eagles O-line is way better than the Giants. What were you watching?
I can’t stand Jones either but Terps cannot be taken seriously. He absolutely loves running QBs. No matter how bad they are at throwing the ball. He’s completely bought in to the running QB fad. If it were up to him the Giants would be playing the wishbone and drafting non throwing option QBs every season, it’ll save on the salary cap.
Running QBs are not a fad. That’s like calling the forward pass a fad.
Run-blocking line then ours.
But the win feels great especially against Philly.
Yeah those 3 should've been 4 or 5 INTS looked awesome
Neither one is a franchise QB at the moment
I’m sorry but no way is hurts better than Jones. a better athlete yes but no way he’s a better QB
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Lol, sure let’s go grab the guy that looked way worse than our guy today because you’ve been claiming he’s awesome for the first 1.5 years of his career
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That would've been one of those losses where John Mara would've wanted to fire everyone.
And he might have.
Instead, they all survive another day.
Instead, this is the John Mara quote today.
“We identified the problem and made the correction and now we are winning games. I love the direction we are headed.”
" I saw enough at the end of the season , especially that win against the Eagles at home to bring back Dave for another season . "
STFU.
Chill out dude
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We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game
Then Jones goes and holds on the first drive and then he has a false start on the second drive.
Run-blocking line then ours.
But the win feels great especially against Philly.
The run blocking looks serviceable when Booker & Penny play, as it did last year when Freeman, Gallman & Morris did. When Barkley's at RB they can't gain a yard.
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We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game
Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB
It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it
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He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.
I’m sorry but no way is hurts better than Jones. a better athlete yes but no way he’s a better QB
I don't like Hurts as a passer. Never have. But before today's debacle, he was having a better season than Jones in every key metric.
Jones was his typical "blah" self today. And that worked. But he is not a playmaker.
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 1:18 pm : link : reply
He isn't a great passer but he makes up for it with his legs and his general instincts. The guy is a gamer and has a ton of experience.
The proof exists that he can absolutely be a prolific player (123 total TDs in college including 52 his senior year) and he's highly productive now.
They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.
Barkley isn't Barkley yet. I hope he can regain his form soon.
Looking forward to next week in Miami….and if 76 is still starting vs 74.
It’s time
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But the win feels great especially against Philly.
The run blocking looks serviceable when Booker & Penny play, as it did last year when Freeman, Gallman & Morris did. When Barkley's at RB they can't gain a yard.
Pretty obvious they play the run different when Barkley is back there. His long play today show his burst - you have to contain him at the line or it could be over. He is the only back that has that OBJ threat.
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That would've been one of those losses where John Mara would've wanted to fire everyone.
And he might have.
Instead, they all survive another day.
Instead, this is the John Mara quote today.
“We identified the problem and made the correction and now we are winning games. I love the direction we are headed.”
" I saw enough at the end of the season , especially that win against the Eagles at home to bring back Dave for another season . "
STFU.
Chill out dude
Fair enough I'll just enjoy the win and save the overdone and obvious digs at Mara until Wednesday.
Better than Jones?? Lol, that's a joke right?? The Eagles O-line is way better than the Giants. What were you watching?
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 12:13 pm
I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.
But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.
For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.
So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.
Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.
Vs
DJ with the worst O-Line in football
No running game
Key weapons injured
Let me hear again how Hurts is better! Give me a fucking break
That's got to take its toll.
What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.
bw in dc : 11/22/2021 12:13 pm
I mentioned this yesterday on the game thread. I didn't like Hurts out of OK/AL and thought the Eagles over-drafted him even as a second rounder. Hell, I still don't like the way he throws.
But Hurts is another one of those who you can just categorize as good football player playing QB. The guy just knows how to score points. And I believe he has the best QBR over the last month in the NFL - 62, 67, 91, 95.
For the year, he's got a 52 QBR, completing 62%, has 13TDs/5INTs, is 7+ YPA/AY/A, and he's rushed for 600+ yards and another 8 TDs.
So in total, he's got 21 TDs. And the Eagles are now 8th in the league in PPG scored. I doubt anyone would, btw, call his supporting cast one of the top 10-15 in the league.
Probably time to call Hurts what he is - a poor man's LJax.
And? Just an accurate account where Hurts was prior to today.
Smith didn't have the diva reputation in college so that's definitely another strike against Hurts' ability as a passer
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6. OL
7. OL
We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game
Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB
It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it
A starting RB? Are you drunk? Give Barkley a hole and he's gone. The O-line is God awful in the running game and not much better in the passing game.
That's got to take its toll.
What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.
stop making excuses.
A GM and scouting department who could evaluate talent would help tremendously.
Both of these QBs and offenses are bad. Which QB is less bad is really a silly argument.
Good God you are just an echo chamber. Hurts in no way, shape or form is better than Jones - except possibly running it and that is all he is good for. Could have been picked off twice more easily and probably should have been.
Neither should be a starter, but Hurts definitely is not worthy of starting.
d bailed out at end of half by drops but soft again. o abysmal.
Exhibit A about what is wrong with giants fans.
They fucking won, and people are bitching….
Could definitely see them trading for Watson if he is available after the season
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Better than Jones?? Lol, that's a joke right?? The Eagles O-line is way better than the Giants. What were you watching?
I can’t stand Jones either but Terps cannot be taken seriously. He absolutely loves running QBs. No matter how bad they are at throwing the ball. He’s completely bought in to the running QB fad. If it were up to him the Giants would be playing the wishbone and drafting non throwing option QBs every season, it’ll save on the salary cap.
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If by OL,OL you mean Hutchinson and OL, I agree.
It should be celebrated.
Yes...far from perfect. Team is flawed.....but they beat the Eagles.
A team as of last week....was gaining hope....that the Giants crushed!
That's got to take its toll.
What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.
Plenty of QB's have dealt with it and overcame it as the team got better. Many did it went you could hit low, the head and probably a second after releasing it as well.
This season is far from over.
Giants win a game.
"No, not like that!"
Run-blocking line then ours.
But the win feels great especially against Philly.
Not sure you can say that when Booker proved we can gain yards.
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He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.
Better than Jones?? Lol, that's a joke right?? The Eagles O-line is way better than the Giants. What were you watching?
I can’t stand Jones either but Terps cannot be taken seriously. He absolutely loves running QBs. No matter how bad they are at throwing the ball. He’s completely bought in to the running QB fad. If it were up to him the Giants would be playing the wishbone and drafting non throwing option QBs every season, it’ll save on the salary cap.
Running QBs are not a fad. That’s like calling the forward pass a fad.
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Could definitely see them trading for Watson if he is available after the season
They've got the draft picks, that's for sure
You’re so pathetic and predictable at the same time.
They not only won, they beat a division rival. And yet you still whine.