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Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/28/2021 3:59 pm
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RE: RE: Hurts isn't great, and he was awful today  
Bear vs Shark : 11/28/2021 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15470593 Bleedblue10 said:
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He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.


I’m sorry but no way is hurts better than Jones. a better athlete yes but no way he’s a better QB
you're blind if you think this
Cmon folks.  
Joe Beckwith : 11/28/2021 4:46 pm : link
It’s a W.
Over the Sheagles.
At home.
On a number retirement day.
We increased our season win total by 33.33%, down 4/5 of anything that resembles an NFL OL, 2 WR, and 2 TE.
Just enjoy it.
Here is what we learned today...  
bw in dc : 11/28/2021 4:46 pm : link
Jones did nothing to prove his case as the franchise QB going forward.

Hurts's play puts Philly back in the the gray area of whether they need another solution at QB for the future.

Graham's D carried the team to the W. So it was good to see him bounce back after the disaster in Tampa.

To early to tell with Kitchens's play calling, but the offense chalked up another week with less than 20 points.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants have picks 6 and 7  
Giantfan21 : 11/28/2021 4:47 pm : link
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Right now.


6. OL
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We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game



Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB

It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it



A starting RB? Are you drunk? Give Barkley a hole and he's gone. The O-line is God awful in the running game and not much better in the passing game.


OL is awful but Booker looked better behind this OL and Gallman and Morris looked better last year.

Barkley is either injured or ineffective. Cant rely on him anymore and Giants should move on from him . Could find an undrafted Rb that would provide better production then Barkley at this point
RE: RE: RE: Hurts  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/28/2021 4:47 pm : link
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can be a outstanding backup QB and role player. I think in the end they use the draft picks to swing for a big name this offseason.



Could definitely see them trading for Watson if he is available after the season



They've got the draft picks, that's for sure


Roseman is under a lot of heat yet Lurie seems to have a strange liking to him. I think if they stick with him he will go for the big QB.
2 top 10 picks  
LeftHook : 11/28/2021 4:48 pm : link
Get the Oline squared away. Asap
RE: RE: RE: Hurts isn't great, and he was awful today  
Toth029 : 11/28/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15470679 Bear vs Shark said:
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He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.


I’m sorry but no way is hurts better than Jones. a better athlete yes but no way he’s a better QB

you're blind if you think this


Hurts was beyond awful today. Jones looked better against the Rams and they have a top defense. What's Hurts excuse? Eagles have had a stout line and ran all over the Giants defense. Yet couldn't pass when it mattered. The INTs were just bad throws, the Crowder one specifically cost three points at least. He lost them the game.
Where’s bw?  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 4:50 pm : link
Just a few days ago he was sucking Hurts’s dick about how he was LJAX lite.

As i said then - can we let him finish the season before anointing him ANYTHING?

The fucking NYG defense defense is one of the worst in the league and they made hurts look pathetic.

So let’s slow the roll. Eh?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants have picks 6 and 7  
csb : 11/28/2021 4:50 pm : link
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Right now.


6. OL
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We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game



Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB

It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it



A starting RB? Are you drunk? Give Barkley a hole and he's gone. The O-line is God awful in the running game and not much better in the passing game.


Weaverpsu - This team has no OL and no pass rush but the WRs, RBs and TEs are the problem? This team has a lot of talent at the skill positions but you wouldn’t know it because they get dominated in the trenches every week. Not sure what games you’ve been watching
RE: I love BBI,  
Gman11 : 11/28/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15470671 darren in pdx said:
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"Just go win games!"

Giants win a game.

"No, not like that!"


Exactly. Geez, enjoy the win. How many of here had the final score pegged at 14-13? They won. They beat the Eagles. Complain next week.
RE: Hmmmm  
RobCrossRiver56 : 11/28/2021 4:50 pm : link
In comment 15470620 map7711 said:
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Hurts is a good player
Go Terps : 11/22/2021 1:18 pm : link : reply
He isn't a great passer but he makes up for it with his legs and his general instincts. The guy is a gamer and has a ton of experience.

The proof exists that he can absolutely be a prolific player (123 total TDs in college including 52 his senior year) and he's highly productive now.

They did a great job drafting him when and where they did.


Prolific? lol...lol...lol..
RE: Here is what we learned today...  
EricJ : 11/28/2021 4:51 pm : link
In comment 15470684 bw in dc said:
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Jones did nothing to prove his case as the franchise QB going forward.

Hurts's play puts Philly back in the the gray area of whether they need another solution at QB for the future.

Graham's D carried the team to the W. So it was good to see him bounce back after the disaster in Tampa.

To early to tell with Kitchens's play calling, but the offense chalked up another week with less than 20 points.


1. I think we know Jones is not going to be our future QB regardless of what happened today or even the rest of this season.

2. Philly needs a QB but please do not tell them that.

3. Graham finally blitzed.

4. The play calling has less to do with our failures vs the actual play design which Kitchens is not changing at this point.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants have picks 6 and 7  
section125 : 11/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15470686 Giantfan21 said:
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OL is awful but Booker looked better behind this OL and Gallman and Morris looked better last year.

Barkley is either injured or ineffective. Cant rely on him anymore and Giants should move on from him . Could find an undrafted Rb that would provide better production then Barkley at this point


Somebody must have been in Barkley's ear at halftime. He actually pushed the pile or at least allowed the line to push him in the 2nd half. A little more determination. But watching the Packers line open huge holes shows just how bad the Giants line is.

But yes I would have had Booker in there on the last series.
RE: RE: RE: Hurts isn't great, and he was awful today  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
In comment 15470660 BigBlueShock said:
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He is better than Jones though. And it cost a lot less to get him.



Better than Jones?? Lol, that's a joke right?? The Eagles O-line is way better than the Giants. What were you watching?


I can’t stand Jones either but Terps cannot be taken seriously. He absolutely loves running QBs. No matter how bad they are at throwing the ball. He’s completely bought in to the running QB fad. If it were up to him the Giants would be playing the wishbone and drafting non throwing option QBs every season, it’ll save on the salary cap.


Terps is a caricature at this point.
One thing that concerned me today  
Breeze_94 : 11/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
was Aaron Robinson's timing/ball skills.

Had the one nice break up on the 4th down slant in the 3rd quarter, but even that play you could argue he was a bit early.

On the first pass that hit off of Reagors facemask/helmet, Robinson was in good position but did a poor job playing the ball. Should have been a TD.

On the other pass that hit off of Reagors hands, while he was in great position, Robinson did a poor job playing through Reagors hands. That ball should have never made it through to Reagor in the first place.

This was also a fault I noticed in him watching his college cut ups.
Jalen Hurts was so bad in this game as a passer  
dpinzow : 11/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
that the Eagles could have simply handed the ball off every time in the 2nd half and had him run a few designed draws, and they would have won the game
Comparing Jones and Hurts  
Mike_nWo : 11/28/2021 4:52 pm : link
Is like bragging about having the tallest dwarf - they’re both bad.
RE: Comparing Jones and Hurts  
BigBlueJ : 11/28/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15470710 Mike_nWo said:
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Is like bragging about having the tallest dwarf - they’re both bad.


This
RE: Where’s bw?  
bw in dc : 11/28/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15470696 speedywheels said:
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Just a few days ago he was sucking Hurts’s dick about how he was LJAX lite.

As i said then - can we let him finish the season before anointing him ANYTHING?

The fucking NYG defense defense is one of the worst in the league and they made hurts look pathetic.

So let’s slow the roll. Eh?


I've posted plenty above.

For the daft, my post about Hurts last week was YTD. Capiche?
RE: Jones looks panicked.  
AcidTest : 11/28/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15470641 mittenedman said:
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He's played almost his entire career with the worst Offensive Line and skill players in the NFL. All while he himself is developing.

That's got to take its toll.

What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.


Totally agree. There are plays where Jones has time to go through his progressions, but doesn't. I think a lot of that is because he doesn't trust his OL to ever give him the time to do so.
RE: Comparing Jones and Hurts  
McNally's_Nuts : 11/28/2021 4:54 pm : link
In comment 15470710 Mike_nWo said:
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Is like bragging about having the tallest dwarf - they’re both bad.


QB hell for two teams 85 miles from each other.

it’s okay to admit it.
RE: Jones looks panicked.  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/28/2021 4:57 pm : link
In comment 15470641 mittenedman said:
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He's played almost his entire career with the worst Offensive Line and skill players in the NFL. All while he himself is developing.

That's got to take its toll.

What you're seeing now (IMO) is very similar to David Carr. His internal clock is screwy, he is unable to relax on the field and everything's hurried. Even the timing of the QB draws were a mess because he's rushing. Same thing happened to Eli late career.


This is a good take. It's possible he has been ruined. I thought he started promising..but playing behind these hog mollies has distorted any sense of how long plays develop in the NFL
RE: One thing that concerned me today  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/28/2021 4:58 pm : link
In comment 15470708 Breeze_94 said:
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was Aaron Robinson's timing/ball skills.

Had the one nice break up on the 4th down slant in the 3rd quarter, but even that play you could argue he was a bit early.

On the first pass that hit off of Reagors facemask/helmet, Robinson was in good position but did a poor job playing the ball. Should have been a TD.

On the other pass that hit off of Reagors hands, while he was in great position, Robinson did a poor job playing through Reagors hands. That ball should have never made it through to Reagor in the first place.

This was also a fault I noticed in him watching his college cut ups.


Yeah I saw that but a little patience is in order. Missed all of camp and good part of the season. I think it will get better with more time. Speaking of rookies, did anyone notice Ellerson today?
executive summary  
hitdog42 : 11/28/2021 4:58 pm : link
the line stinks
the line has been a 4 year effort from the hog mollies guy.
that guy should not be allowed to be involved with the future of the giants.
we have no clue if the QB is the guy.
Barkley is irrelevant- booker currently better.

the defense plays hard and has some talent on it- the DC does a good job despite having no MLB and no edge rush.

the punter sucks.
RE: RE: Here is what we learned today...  
bw in dc : 11/28/2021 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15470702 EricJ said:
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Jones did nothing to prove his case as the franchise QB going forward.

Hurts's play puts Philly back in the the gray area of whether they need another solution at QB for the future.

Graham's D carried the team to the W. So it was good to see him bounce back after the disaster in Tampa.

To early to tell with Kitchens's play calling, but the offense chalked up another week with less than 20 points.



1. I think we know Jones is not going to be our future QB regardless of what happened today or even the rest of this season. BW: You and I may know that, I'm not sure the owner is there...

2. Philly needs a QB but please do not tell them that. BW: That's definitely back on the table. I will say Hurts has been good this as bouncing back after poor performance.

3. Graham finally blitzed. BW: I thought Hurts had ample time. Just couldn't make the right decision.

4. The play calling has less to do with our failures vs the actual play design which Kitchens is not changing at this point.
BW: Agreed

See above
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants have picks 6 and 7  
Giantfan21 : 11/28/2021 4:59 pm : link
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Right now.


6. OL
7. OL



We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game



Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB

It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it



A starting RB? Are you drunk? Give Barkley a hole and he's gone. The O-line is God awful in the running game and not much better in the passing game.



Weaverpsu - This team has no OL and no pass rush but the WRs, RBs and TEs are the problem? This team has a lot of talent at the skill positions but you wouldn’t know it because they get dominated in the trenches every week. Not sure what games you’ve been watching


I made the comment about the skill positions not Weaverpsu and i was adding on to JEff original point about needing OL. Obviously, that should come 1st but i was adding on to it what else they need and how many holes this team still has going forward.

As far as skill positions, i completely disagree with your assessment there is a lot of talent there. Maybe if everyone was healthy but thats never the case.

Toney and Shepard cant stay healthy, Barkley is a shell of himself, Slayton has regressed from what he was his 1st year and Golloday has been injured a lot and not great even when he has been healthy. They also have nothing at TE.

Due to injuries we are seeing players like Myarick, Colin johnson, Pharoh Cooper all play important snaps so yes they need upgrades in the offseason
RE: RE: Where’s bw?  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 4:59 pm : link
In comment 15470713 bw in dc said:
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Just a few days ago he was sucking Hurts’s dick about how he was LJAX lite.

As i said then - can we let him finish the season before anointing him ANYTHING?

The fucking NYG defense defense is one of the worst in the league and they made hurts look pathetic.

So let’s slow the roll. Eh?



I've posted plenty above.

For the daft, my post about Hurts last week was YTD. Capiche?


And yet, he sucked today vs an awful defense.

So let the season start play out, mmmmmkay?
They better cluster draft  
Beef Wellington : 11/28/2021 5:02 pm : link
OL with the first three picks.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Giants have picks 6 and 7  
Jerry from Maine : 11/28/2021 5:02 pm : link
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Right now.


6. OL
7. OL



We also need a new TE to replace Randolph/Evan E who had one of his trademark int off a ball tipped off his stone hands plays today that thankfully didn't end up losing the game



Need a starting RB, WR, TE, ER, LB

It's unbelievable how many needs this team still has with how many draft picks and money has been poured into it



A starting RB? Are you drunk? Give Barkley a hole and he's gone. The O-line is God awful in the running game and not much better in the passing game.
THANK YOU
RE: RE: RE: Where’s bw?  
bw in dc : 11/28/2021 5:03 pm : link
In comment 15470733 speedywheels said:
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And yet, he sucked today vs an awful defense.

So let the season start play out, mmmmmkay?


So let me make sure I understand. We can't comment on anything until the season is completely finished?

How boring.
RE: Turn in your Giants card  
joeinpa : 11/28/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15470478 Giantimistic said:
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if you cannot be happy with a win over the Eagles. I dont care how bad we are, how it hurts our draft slot.


Amen. Totally cannot relate to the idea that a loss would have been the better outcome. Way too early to be hoping for losses for draft purposes.

Giants have done plenty of late season losing resulting in better draft position. It netted them a 2,6 and 4, yet the losing continued

Win some dam games, They beat the Eagles, feels good, must suck to be a fan where wins make you miserable
RE: Where’s bw?  
sharp315 : 11/28/2021 5:04 pm : link
In comment 15470696 speedywheels said:
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Just a few days ago he was sucking Hurts’s dick about how he was LJAX lite.

As i said then - can we let him finish the season before anointing him ANYTHING?

The fucking NYG defense defense is one of the worst in the league and they made hurts look pathetic.

So let’s slow the roll. Eh?


Giants defense is 17th in the league DVOA and top 10 in takeaways. They consistently shut teams down in the redzone - including TB last week. I wouldn't even put them in the bottom half of the league.....
Hurts is not better than jones  
Carl in CT : 11/28/2021 5:05 pm : link
If we had that OL and could run the ball like that Jones numbers would be off the charts. Be real.
The Giants haven’t generated over 228 yards passing in any  
cosmicj : 11/28/2021 5:06 pm : link
Of the last 6 games. We have no right to rag on Hurts.
RE: Hurts is not better than jones  
bw in dc : 11/28/2021 5:07 pm : link
In comment 15470758 Carl in CT said:
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If we had that OL and could run the ball like that Jones numbers would be off the charts. Be real.


"Off the charts"?

So Jones would be a pro bowl QB?
RE: BBI is.filledI with lousey fans  
BigBlueinDE : 11/28/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15470664 George from PA said:
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The Giants beat the Eagles!

It should be celebrated.

Yes...far from perfect. Team is flawed.....but they beat the Eagles.

A team as of last week....was gaining hope....that the Giants crushed!


Precisely! They beat a division rival today. It feels like some people on this board are chronically miserable.


RE: executive summary  
Giantfan21 : 11/28/2021 5:08 pm : link
In comment 15470729 hitdog42 said:
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the line stinks
the line has been a 4 year effort from the hog mollies guy.
that guy should not be allowed to be involved with the future of the giants.
we have no clue if the QB is the guy.
Barkley is irrelevant- booker currently better.

the defense plays hard and has some talent on it- the DC does a good job despite having no MLB and no edge rush.

the punter sucks.


Agree with all of this
RE: RE: Turn in your Giants card  
BigBlueinDE : 11/28/2021 5:09 pm : link
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if you cannot be happy with a win over the Eagles. I dont care how bad we are, how it hurts our draft slot.



Amen. Totally cannot relate to the idea that a loss would have been the better outcome. Way too early to be hoping for losses for draft purposes.

Giants have done plenty of late season losing resulting in better draft position. It netted them a 2,6 and 4, yet the losing continued

Win some dam games, They beat the Eagles, feels good, must suck to be a fan where wins make you miserable


Couldn't agree more. Good grief, some people need a to get a life.
Lousy fans?  
cosmicj : 11/28/2021 5:09 pm : link
No, realistic ones. The Eagles can’t believe they just dropped this one.
RE: RE: ...  
joeinpa : 11/28/2021 5:10 pm : link
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
That would've been one of those losses where John Mara would've wanted to fire everyone.

And he might have.

Instead, they all survive another day.



Exactly why it's such a crappy win. Anything that gives Mara ammo to not change anything is bae for the future of this franchise.


Why do people keep banging the “Mara won’t do anything “ drum? He s had 4 different coaches in 7 years. The narrative is old, and inaccurate. May be time for stability with the HC.
RE: The Giants haven’t generated over 228 yards passing in any  
section125 : 11/28/2021 5:13 pm : link
In comment 15470760 cosmicj said:
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Of the last 6 games. We have no right to rag on Hurts.


I guess you didn't watch the game today. That was as bad a QB performance as I have seen this year with half the Giants secondary injured.
The Giants secondary actually looks like it has some talent going forward.
RE: RE: Where’s bw?  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 5:13 pm : link
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Just a few days ago he was sucking Hurts’s dick about how he was LJAX lite.

As i said then - can we let him finish the season before anointing him ANYTHING?

The fucking NYG defense defense is one of the worst in the league and they made hurts look pathetic.

So let’s slow the roll. Eh?



Giants defense is 17th in the league DVOA and top 10 in takeaways. They consistently shut teams down in the redzone - including TB last week. I wouldn't even put them in the bottom half of the league.....


Ummmm, a ranking of 17th in DVOA is the very definition of the bottom half of the league.

Math must not be your speciality?
RE: RE: ...  
Jimmy Googs : 11/28/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15470523 Scooter185 said:
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Ralph Vacchiano

@RVacchianoSNY
That would've been one of those losses where John Mara would've wanted to fire everyone.

And he might have.

Instead, they all survive another day.



Exactly why it's such a crappy win. Anything that gives Mara ammo to not change anything is bae for the future of this franchise.


RV with correct sentiment.

All those turnovers and still had to hang on by skin of their teeth. The offensive drive at midfield after Xav McKinney picked it off was pure comedy. What was it 4th and 25 or so? And then a bad punt. Classic.

The Skura false start in the red zone on 3rd and short was another.

And the dropped ints at the end seemed to be almost foreshadowing a killer loss, but they pulled through.

Beat the Eagles and it’s still fargin’ painful...
RE: Lousy fans?  
section125 : 11/28/2021 5:15 pm : link
In comment 15470772 cosmicj said:
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No, realistic ones. The Eagles can’t believe they just dropped this one.


Never mind, Half of BBI can't believe the Giants won and the other half wishes they did not.
Don't Care How We Won  
pa_giant_fan : 11/28/2021 5:15 pm : link
But any time we beat the Eagles,
Is a beautiful day in my Neighborhood
RE: Don't Care How We Won  
speedywheels : 11/28/2021 5:17 pm : link
In comment 15470794 pa_giant_fan said:
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But any time we beat the Eagles,
Is a beautiful day in my Neighborhood


+1

Too bad real fans can’t acknowledge that.
Eagles shouldve never stopped running the ball  
Giantology : 11/28/2021 5:18 pm : link
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Giants D, although opportunistic with INTs,  
Simms11 : 11/28/2021 5:18 pm : link
still gave up over 200 yards rushing again! That’s not a good stat. They haven’t been able to stop the run all year.
Eagles top targets  
dpinzow : 11/28/2021 5:21 pm : link
Devonta Smith: 2 catches, 22 yards
Dallas Goedert: 1 catch, 0 yards

Yikes
RE: Giants D, although opportunistic with INTs,  
section125 : 11/28/2021 5:22 pm : link
In comment 15470807 Simms11 said:
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still gave up over 200 yards rushing again! That’s not a good stat. They haven’t been able to stop the run all year.


Carter was useless against the run. All those runs to defensive left were virtually uncontested.
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