We all know this team needs a major infusion of talent but Geez enjoy the win. Some of you guys are freaking unbelievable!!! Lighten up…
The Giants Won..,,
Why would I ever come to a fucking Giants fan board to enjoy a win? That's insane. That's like trying to shove an apple pie up your ass because you think it'll taste better going in the other end.
Fucking pointless. We could win a Super Bowl and there'd still be people here complaining about X, Y, and Z.
Why would I ever come to a fucking Giants fan board to enjoy a win? That's insane. That's like trying to shove an apple pie up your ass because you think it'll taste better going in the other end.
Fucking pointless. We could win a Super Bowl and there'd still be people here complaining about X, Y, and Z.
Rant over.
This argument is so fucking stupid.
I can understand why so many on the board are unexcited by today's win
It comes down to:
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;
b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;
c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and
d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.
Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.
Or did I miss it?
RE: I can understand why so many on the board are unexcited by today's win
It comes down to:
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;
b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;
c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and
d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.
Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.
It comes down to:
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;
b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;
c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and
d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.
Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.
Or did I miss it?
you did miss it. The defense won the game and played really well while missing important peices. They played with a lot of "evidence of growing talent" Dex, X, Robinson, Love, Aziz, and Roach, Holmes Crowder.
It's all the OLine. That's the new calling card, now Garrett is gone, we got tge weapons, it's all the OLine. Even with this OLine any even decent QB would win with this bunch. Jones stinks, it's easy for someone to say how bad Hurts is, and he is, but this fanbase refuses to see how fucking bad Jones is.
This offensive line is incompetent and shamefully so. Papa and Carl Banks on post-game were lamenting how truly awful it is, how "they can't block anybody," how even three-man rush was getting to Jones, how Barkley was getting blown up at the line of scrimmage, etc. So no, any decent QB would not win with this offensive line. That is just a rather ridiculous statement.
lose this gameby1 point after a last minute td. It didn’t happen and the Giants won. That’s worthy of celebration.
It doesn’t make the Giants a good team, but rather it s a step towards competitiveness with a very good defense. The offense needs lots of work including talent and coaching But it also needs playing together as units and as an offense. If that comes together we will be competitive.
I can’t understand why so called fans here can’t enjoy a ,win over the fxxcking Eagles. At least it’s worth two nights of enjoyment for fans. If you can only focus in the negative you belong in the trash with your Cowboy and Eagle Jerseys.
Good win Giants, great defense
It was a horrible game by both teams. We were just a little less horrible.
If that makes you feel great, good for you.
I prefer good football where we look competent on both sides of the ball. I got nothing out of this game. It was the epitome of NFC Least football.
We all prefer good football but I really prefer beating the effing Iggles in an ugly game much more than losing to the effing Iggles in an ugly game.
Giants have two starting cornerbacks who are playing at a high level. They have one of the better young free safeties in football. They’ve got one of the better defensive linemen in football in Williams. They’ve got talent at receiver.
Edge and OL are glaring holes, as well as linebacker.
We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.
I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.
Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.
Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.
I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.
Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.
Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.
We hear from the same people on this board how “the late season run is going to teach them how to win” and “it’s going to carry over to next year”, yet here we are again playing meaningless football games in November.
Learning how to win isn’t a thing. The only way to win is to get better players.
We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.
I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.
Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.
Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.
We hear from the same people on this board how “the late season run is going to teach them how to win” and “it’s going to carry over to next year”, yet here we are again playing meaningless football games in November.
Learning how to win isn’t a thing. The only way to win is to get better players.
One could argue the steps towards championships begin with small steps.
One could argue that the upcoming game is something to look forward to in that the Giants are only 1 game out of the 7 th seed.
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
Plus as a fan I don’t want to write off the season with 6 games left. Every season is an entity in it s own, yesterday s win was absolutely meaningful in that context.
It s a matter of perception, you have yours, I have mine.
This isn't a late season run. They are 4-4 over their last 8 games
If they keep this up it will be 7-7 over the final 14 games, which is like 80% of the season. In this context the proper way to look at it is that after the first 3 games brainfarts, they righted the ship and turned into a .500 team.
Not great, but certainly not as bad as some on here say we are. Going from 3 wins to a .500 record would certainly be a step in the right direction
We will see what happens, I am just speculating that if we continue our play of the last 8 games this is where we would be
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
It's been said since before then. That's why I am tired of people looking for moral victories. At this point, I wasn't thrilled with how we looked yesterday, but I'd still rather see an ugly win than a game we were supposedly "competitive in" for most of the game, but take the loss. When you have so many years of shit, losses can't be examined in bubbles. They are indicative of a team that doesn't know hot to win and/or isn't capable of winning. So, it becomes increasingly important to just grab wins wherever and however we can. This game fell into that category.
Earlier in the season, next week's Miami game is one I think many (most?) fans were counting as a game we should win. Now, they are a hot team with a very aggressive D. Back to back wins may be a tall task, but eventually this team has to win on consecutive weeks, right?
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
I don't remember them PLAYING any games late in the season with playoff implications under Shurmer.
2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.
Yes to both of these points. I would add that Jones has done nothing to suggest that he can be more than a game manager. That said, if the draft is not strong in QBs I would hold on to Jones and stock up on OL and edge rushers with the premium picks this year. Don't reach for another QB.
2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.
Yes to both of these points. I would add that Jones has done nothing to suggest that he can be more than a game manager. That said, if the draft is not strong in QBs I would hold on to Jones and stock up on OL and edge rushers with the premium picks this year. Don't reach for another QB.
Agreed. Jones has certainly not established himself this year as a true franchise QB. But, he also hasn't proven he sucks, which may be more important. If they can really improve the OL and return some healthy players on offense, he just might be good enough to start winning some games, which is the goal. I think they have more glaring holes right now, that the picks they've attained are more important to address those needs than try the crap shoot of a lottery QB.
RE: RE: RE: Some of us are able to believe two things
Agreed. Jones has certainly not established himself this year as a true franchise QB. But, he also hasn't proven he sucks, which may be more important. .
Jones has definetely proved that he sucks. He just plays for the team we love, so we are sometimes slow to admit it.
But if he played for any other team and...
1 - threw a interception to a wide open DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
2 - stared down receivers 80% of the time (i've never heard a commentator say that DJ moved the defense with his eyes)
3 - whatever that was on the drive after the Boston Scott fumble
4 - list goes on...
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
Every time the subject of playing for draft position came up over the past 4 years, the argument was you needed to "build a culture, it'll pay off next season"
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
Every time the subject of playing for draft position came up over the past 4 years, the argument was you needed to "build a culture, it'll pay off next season"
I will say I have never been a fan of even thinking about playing for draft position. The goal EVERY week should be to win.
The Giants Won..,,
Truth…
Fucking pointless. We could win a Super Bowl and there'd still be people here complaining about X, Y, and Z.
Rant over.
Fucking pointless. We could win a Super Bowl and there'd still be people here complaining about X, Y, and Z.
Rant over.
This argument is so fucking stupid.
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;
b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;
c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and
d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.
Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.
Or did I miss it?
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;
b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;
c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and
d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.
Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.
Or did I miss it?
a) The Giants are still awful at virtually every position, leaving them HUGE holes to fill in future years--a verey difficult rebuilding situation;
b) They got a large chunk of their entire victory via ints by dbs who are mostly never going to be stars, plus an incompetent Eagle qb;
c) Their two biggest draft investments in recent years, Jones and Barklay, still sucked; and
d) Winning in this fashion pushes us a bit lower in the draft.
Hey, I wanted and enjoyed the win, sorta, but it wasn't anything that psyched me up emotionally. A win based on evidence of growing talent would have been SO MUCH BETTER. Unfortunately, there wasn't any of that.
Or did I miss it?
you did miss it. The defense won the game and played really well while missing important peices. They played with a lot of "evidence of growing talent" Dex, X, Robinson, Love, Aziz, and Roach, Holmes Crowder.
All very young players that are getting better
This offensive line is incompetent and shamefully so. Papa and Carl Banks on post-game were lamenting how truly awful it is, how "they can't block anybody," how even three-man rush was getting to Jones, how Barkley was getting blown up at the line of scrimmage, etc. So no, any decent QB would not win with this offensive line. That is just a rather ridiculous statement.
What positions aren’t they awful at (besides kicker)?
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lose this gameby1 point after a last minute td. It didn’t happen and the Giants won. That’s worthy of celebration.
It doesn’t make the Giants a good team, but rather it s a step towards competitiveness with a very good defense. The offense needs lots of work including talent and coaching But it also needs playing together as units and as an offense. If that comes together we will be competitive.
I can’t understand why so called fans here can’t enjoy a ,win over the fxxcking Eagles. At least it’s worth two nights of enjoyment for fans. If you can only focus in the negative you belong in the trash with your Cowboy and Eagle Jerseys.
Good win Giants, great defense
It was a horrible game by both teams. We were just a little less horrible.
If that makes you feel great, good for you.
I prefer good football where we look competent on both sides of the ball. I got nothing out of this game. It was the epitome of NFC Least football.
We all prefer good football but I really prefer beating the effing Iggles in an ugly game much more than losing to the effing Iggles in an ugly game.
No, it was an objectivity shitty football game for both offenses.
I do give the Giants defense credit, they got back to playing well.
Edge and OL are glaring holes, as well as linebacker.
Yeah, the offense sucks right now. But we aren’t “awful” at every position. You aren’t watching the games if that’s your actual opinion.
And we won despite watching those guys >200 yards rushing. How often does that happen? A team >200 yards rushing and loses?
To Engram's credit, his block/screen pass and run was one of the best plays from that offensive game. And one of his best of the year.
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.
I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.
Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.
Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.
I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.
Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.
Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.
We hear from the same people on this board how “the late season run is going to teach them how to win” and “it’s going to carry over to next year”, yet here we are again playing meaningless football games in November.
Learning how to win isn’t a thing. The only way to win is to get better players.
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In comment 15471248 djm said:
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We need to see the offense improve, I get that, but today wasn’t a bad day no matter how you slice it. Today was good. Need to keep winning to back it up, far from certain, but today keeps faint hopes alive nonetheless and it hurts Philly.
I’ll save my misery for another week. Knowing that Philly fans are seeing this game in their sleep warms my heart. Small victories.
Not really. These are the same wins we saw last year that are absolutely meaningless. They lost this game because the Eagles turned it over 4 times, one less time and they lose. There was nothing good about today. It’s not even about style points they just were bad.
Meaningless win? I m willing to believe Giants players and coaching staff would disagree.
Don’t know your athletic background, but for myself, competition was about winning, ... when accomplished it never felt meaningless.
The goal is to compete for a championship not beat the Eagles 13-6 to get to 4-7.
We hear from the same people on this board how “the late season run is going to teach them how to win” and “it’s going to carry over to next year”, yet here we are again playing meaningless football games in November.
Learning how to win isn’t a thing. The only way to win is to get better players.
One could argue the steps towards championships begin with small steps.
One could argue that the upcoming game is something to look forward to in that the Giants are only 1 game out of the 7 th seed.
I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
Plus as a fan I don’t want to write off the season with 6 games left. Every season is an entity in it s own, yesterday s win was absolutely meaningful in that context.
It s a matter of perception, you have yours, I have mine.
Not great, but certainly not as bad as some on here say we are. Going from 3 wins to a .500 record would certainly be a step in the right direction
We will see what happens, I am just speculating that if we continue our play of the last 8 games this is where we would be
When you are 3-7, the goal is to get to 4-7.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
Earlier in the season, next week's Miami game is one I think many (most?) fans were counting as a game we should win. Now, they are a hot team with a very aggressive D. Back to back wins may be a tall task, but eventually this team has to win on consecutive weeks, right?
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.
Yes to both of these points. I would add that Jones has done nothing to suggest that he can be more than a game manager. That said, if the draft is not strong in QBs I would hold on to Jones and stock up on OL and edge rushers with the premium picks this year. Don't reach for another QB.
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1)beating the Eagles is always enjoyable
2)despite the win, this is still a lousy team. Beating the Eagles doesn't change anything.
Yes to both of these points. I would add that Jones has done nothing to suggest that he can be more than a game manager. That said, if the draft is not strong in QBs I would hold on to Jones and stock up on OL and edge rushers with the premium picks this year. Don't reach for another QB.
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Agreed. Jones has certainly not established himself this year as a true franchise QB. But, he also hasn't proven he sucks, which may be more important. .
Jones has definetely proved that he sucks. He just plays for the team we love, so we are sometimes slow to admit it.
But if he played for any other team and...
1 - threw a interception to a wide open DEFENSIVE LINEMAN
2 - stared down receivers 80% of the time (i've never heard a commentator say that DJ moved the defense with his eyes)
3 - whatever that was on the drive after the Boston Scott fumble
4 - list goes on...
we'd all say he was trash
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
Every time the subject of playing for draft position came up over the past 4 years, the argument was you needed to "build a culture, it'll pay off next season"
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I would also argue that while it is obvious this team is not a contender, playing games late in the year that have playoff implications regardless of record and winning, is an important little step, Especially if the quarterback steps up and plays well.
This is said every single year since Shurmur's first season, and where has it gotten anyone?
I don’t remember them winning any games late in the season under Shurmur that had play off implications.
Every time the subject of playing for draft position came up over the past 4 years, the argument was you needed to "build a culture, it'll pay off next season"