They should BOTH be fired for trying to run out the clock with Saquon Barkley
Booker and Penny should have put that game away on the final Giants possession
I'm appalled by the insanity of using a RB who averages a yard per carry
WE were very very fortunate to win that game.....but for the fumbles and INTs we would have lost by 20
Based upon the Generational Talent playing 99% of the offensive plays Gettleman still has clout and probably will not be fired as has been speculated
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
Let me ask you a simple question
With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline
BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole
Why don't I ever hear, but for a missed tackle, but for a dropped pass, but for a struggling offensive line when the giants lose
Oh wait, those excuses only pertain to the opposing team when we win
Sad but true.
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Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
Let me ask you a simple question
With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline
BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole
Booker and Penny run much harder and will scrap for the extra yardage that Barkley won't Get. He has no business being on the field when you are trying to run down the clock and need to get a 1st down to keep it moving or end the game
Judge also opted for the 51 yard Gano kick I think on a 4th and 3. Still conservative to death. One shot to Golladay. Insane. Why not another shot with a higher thrown ball?
Judge also opted for the 51 yard Gano kick I think on a 4th and 3. Still conservative to death. One shot to Golladay. Insane. Why not another shot with a higher thrown ball?
Yup, the FG attempt told me Judge will never change. Well.... that and keeping Riley Dixon.
This is why Gettleman is as good as gone to me.
Hernandez, an early 2nd rounder, has been a complete flop
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Price was awful in Cincy. Not sure why DG thought trading for him and throwing him into the middle of this mess would help.
Skura has looked competent at times in his career but he is a JAG at best. Probably worse than that. He’s what you get when you’re forced to sift through the waiver wire for starters because you’ve mismanaged building a starting OL and assembling any resemblance of depth
And Solder is...well...you know
There were better pass plays and throwing to Golliday helps. However, an end around right after a TO is a bad play
If we can’t say would have could have should have with Was, ATl and KC in loses, you can’t with the win.
They won and they beat the F’N Eagles
The offensive line is seriously terrible
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
Let me ask you a simple question
With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline
BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole
Booker and Penny run much harder and will scrap for the extra yardage that Barkley won't Get. He has no business being on the field when you are trying to run down the clock and need to get a 1st down to keep it moving or end the game
Thanks- That was my only point
Wins are rare for us....we need to know how to put the game away when the opportunity presents
Would Booker and Penny run for a 1st down- dont know
but the odds of that happening would be a 1000 percent better
It came down to an Eagles WR having greased fingers
I'll take it, but that was an gut wrenching finish
Well lets see how we can handle the Fish
Incredibly our playoff hopes are still alive but on life support
Not his fault he is saddled with arguable the worst center/right side of an OL in all of football. It wasn't Garrets either but I like what they tried to do today. Penalties, poor OL play, and bad ball placement by Jones is what led to 13 points.
Disagree that Gettleman will be back.
Why run a risky play that can jeopardize 15 yards of field position when you are already at midfield. ANYTHING would have been better there.
Not his fault he is saddled with arguable the worst center/right side of an OL in all of football. It wasn't Garrets either but I like what they tried to do today. Penalties, poor OL play, and bad ball placement by Jones is what led to 13 points.
I liked what Freddy did too but why in the world did he attempt to beat the Eagles with the "Generational Talent"
Meanwhile they were running through us like tissue paper
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Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting
Who are you replacing him with?
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting
Who are you replacing him with?
Anyone not named Will Hernandez. He's all attitude and zero talent or substance. The fucking Joy Behar of football.
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting
Who are you replacing him with?
A cardboard cutout of Chris Snee.
Some are for sure and sadly, some are all over BBI.
Who are you replacing him with?
Anyone not named Will Hernandez. He's all attitude and zero talent or substance. The fucking Joy Behar of football.
Solder is still the worst OL out there - constantly beaten.
Let me ask you a simple question
With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline
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For me Booker and Penny. They run hard and do their job...like Penny a lot might even buy his jersey to wear at the Giants Cowboys game I’m attending in December. Pray for me lol
Thought the play calling was less predictable. Didn’t get us any more points but didn’t look helpless. Should’ve fired Garret before the bye week IMO to add a few wrinkles here and there.
Instead, still down Toney, Shep, Smith, etc. and with a shit OL and porous D that can’t hold on, we Fing found a way to win. We have to learn how, isn’t that what we say? Today they let the other team F up.
I’ll take that. Ugly and all, I’ll take a W over Philly.
The OL and Barkley both suck
I thought he Offensive scheme of the Giants was much more aggressive than it's been - but there are still execution issues - maybe it has something to do with Jones running for his life all game.
If Fukking Solder is playing here next year I will be very fukking upset -- he looks good on half his plays and the other half are mysteries of science. I wonder how playing next to Solder effects Hernandez.
I'll take the win and the four turnovers!
The backfield may have played it's best game of the season -- and Crowder and Love played way above their pay grades today
We did not run a draw play for 2 yards on multiple first down plays. Actually there were multiple throws for almost 10 yards for first downs on early down plays.
I saw more attempts to Golladay one game more than I saw in multiple weeks put together. There was even that throw to the end zone over 10 yards to him. That attempt was never made in Garrets offense.
I saw more touches to Barkley attempt to use him as the weapon he should be.
Kitchens was more aggressive then Garrett and all the Jones haters said that if we were more aggressive that DJ would be a turnover machine and that was not the case today. DJ took care of the ball rather well.
Does the team still need to execute better, yes of course. You can not have that holding penalty and the blown up reverse was also a brutal set back.
Was DJ perfect, no. Did the OLine play terrible at times, yes. But I do think it was a noticible difference for a short week to install a different mindset.
Would I have like to see more points on the board? But Garretts play calling would have lost that game because we would have seen more curl routes and even more 2 yard draws and probably would have only scored 3 points.
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.
Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
Let me ask you a simple question
With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline
BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole
I doubt that Freddy and Judge are any too impressed with you either, tootsie.
The changes had to do with forcing balls to Golladay and trying to get passes to Barkley in space. I’m sure there were other wrinkles that I haven’t noticed, but Kitchens played the whole thing tight to the vest.
The changes had to do with forcing balls to Golladay and trying to get passes to Barkley in space. I’m sure there were other wrinkles that I haven’t noticed, but Kitchens played the whole thing tight to the vest.
I probably should have stated that better, he was not agressive in the sense of throwing deep bombs but I mean more aggressive than Garret as less conservative. Specifically passing in early downs, You say "forcing" I say game planning better. I think this offensive will become a little more agressive down field but I think a combo of a short week and the obvious shit OLine hampers that.
They need to produce more for sure and today was not good enough. I am just comparing what differences I could see live. I know that I threw the remote at least 5 less times this week. Hopefully in another a week Kitchens can make some more tweaks.
The Giants also threw most of their passes to moving targets. Under Garrett, the Giants had their fair share of routes in which the receiver would start a route, stop, catch the ball, and have to start up again. Not surprisingly, that made it too easy for defenders to catch up and bring them down.
This week, that wasn't so much the case, and it showed in the average separation rate for the receivers.
The league average is 2.89 yards of separation, but the Giants had three receiving targets--receiver Darius Slayton (4.65 yards), tight end Evan Engram (3.08 yards), and tight end Chris Myarick (3.07 yards)--easily top the league average. While collectively 202 receiving yards wasn't much to sneeze at, the Giants did move the chains.
Kitchens didn’t reinvent the wheel, which shouldn’t have been expected given the short work week, but he was more aggressive down the stretch of the game, allowing Jones to throw the football more while somehow managing to end up with a balanced offense that favored the pass, 29-27.
The rushing attack was still ineffective, but there were some run-blocking tweaks. Rather than lean heavily on duo blocks and power/gap runs, as was the case under Garrett, the Giants incorporated some more trap blocks (a pull of a blocker to the play side of the formation to block an uncovered defender).
We did not run a draw play for 2 yards on multiple first down plays. Actually there were multiple throws for almost 10 yards for first downs on early down plays.
I saw more attempts to Golladay one game more than I saw in multiple weeks put together. There was even that throw to the end zone over 10 yards to him. That attempt was never made in Garrets offense.
I saw more touches to Barkley attempt to use him as the weapon he should be.
Kitchens was more aggressive then Garrett and all the Jones haters said that if we were more aggressive that DJ would be a turnover machine and that was not the case today. DJ took care of the ball rather well.
Does the team still need to execute better, yes of course. You can not have that holding penalty and the blown up reverse was also a brutal set back.
Was DJ perfect, no. Did the OLine play terrible at times, yes. But I do think it was a noticible difference for a short week to install a different mindset.
Would I have like to see more points on the board? But Garretts play calling would have lost that game because we would have seen more curl routes and even more 2 yard draws and probably would have only scored 3 points.
I dont mind using Barkley on occasion for gadget plays but using him for critical yards or as an every down back is just plain insane, he hits the whole like a feather duster
Once that is gone its extremely hard to re-aquire
He's working on it....the line played fairly well yesterday
I cannot recall Jones getting sacked at all
Hopefully he has some Phil Simms in him and comes back fighting