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Nice Win... but I'm not impressed with Freddy and Judge

Batenhorst7 : 11/28/2021 4:10 pm
They should BOTH be fired for trying to run out the clock with Saquon Barkley

Booker and Penny should have put that game away on the final Giants possession

I'm appalled by the insanity of using a RB who averages a yard per carry

WE were very very fortunate to win that game.....but for the fumbles and INTs we would have lost by 20

Based upon the Generational Talent playing 99% of the offensive plays Gettleman still has clout and probably will not be fired as has been speculated
I feel like the playcalling was better  
islander1 : 11/28/2021 4:11 pm : link
... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.
Giants were just less worse than the Eagles today  
JonC : 11/28/2021 4:12 pm : link
What a mess.
Should of fired Garrett before the bye week  
US1 Giants : 11/28/2021 4:12 pm : link
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RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
RCPhoenix : 11/28/2021 4:14 pm : link
In comment 15470524 islander1 said:
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.


+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting
JG was not a top OC  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/28/2021 4:15 pm : link
but the Giants issues are less about the OC and more about talent and injuries (and depth to overcome).
Issues are with coaching  
ZogZerg : 11/28/2021 4:17 pm : link
Just Awful!
Giants  
Straw Hat : 11/28/2021 4:17 pm : link
Fans are such whiney pussies. Rest of the league must hate us.
WE ARE UNDEFEATED!  
Jersey Heel : 11/28/2021 4:17 pm : link
Today
RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
Batenhorst7 : 11/28/2021 4:17 pm : link
In comment 15470524 islander1 said:
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.


Let me ask you a simple question

With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline

BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole
But for the  
TrueBlue56 : 11/28/2021 4:19 pm : link
fumbles and interceptions? Wait, were those automatically rewarded to the Giants or did the giants actually make plays forcing those interceptions and fumble?

Why don't I ever hear, but for a missed tackle, but for a dropped pass, but for a struggling offensive line when the giants lose

Oh wait, those excuses only pertain to the opposing team when we win

RE: Giants  
Chris684 : 11/28/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15470554 Straw Hat said:
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Fans are such whiney pussies. Rest of the league must hate us.


Sad but true.
RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
Giantfan21 : 11/28/2021 4:23 pm : link
In comment 15470556 Batenhorst7 said:
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.



Let me ask you a simple question

With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline

BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole


Booker and Penny run much harder and will scrap for the extra yardage that Barkley won't Get. He has no business being on the field when you are trying to run down the clock and need to get a 1st down to keep it moving or end the game
Ugly win  
jeff57 : 11/28/2021 4:26 pm : link
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Maybe give kitchens more than  
Bleedblue10 : 11/28/2021 4:28 pm : link
5 days to fix our offense before we shit on him too
Jones has to run  
Coopcomic : 11/28/2021 4:32 pm : link
That's the only time there is even slight success w/the offense. Every series where he's just a pocket passer, the drives always seem to stall out.

Judge also opted for the 51 yard Gano kick I think on a 4th and 3. Still conservative to death. One shot to Golladay. Insane. Why not another shot with a higher thrown ball?
Defense was excellent  
Sean : 11/28/2021 4:33 pm : link
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You realize  
Crazed Dogs : 11/28/2021 4:35 pm : link
the O-line totally sucks..... was a good win for this team....Biggest thing I saw was the effort....this team is buying in on Judge
RE: Jones has to run  
Harvest Blend : 11/28/2021 4:35 pm : link
In comment 15470618 Coopcomic said:
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That's the only time there is even slight success w/the offense. Every series where he's just a pocket passer, the drives always seem to stall out.

Judge also opted for the 51 yard Gano kick I think on a 4th and 3. Still conservative to death. One shot to Golladay. Insane. Why not another shot with a higher thrown ball?


Yup, the FG attempt told me Judge will never change. Well.... that and keeping Riley Dixon.
I think we learned today  
Breeze_94 : 11/28/2021 4:35 pm : link
It doesn’t matter who is calling the play or what the play is if 4/5th’s of your Oline stinks and your QB is below average.

This is why Gettleman is as good as gone to me.

Hernandez, an early 2nd rounder, has been a complete flop
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Price was awful in Cincy. Not sure why DG thought trading for him and throwing him into the middle of this mess would help.

Skura has looked competent at times in his career but he is a JAG at best. Probably worse than that. He’s what you get when you’re forced to sift through the waiver wire for starters because you’ve mismanaged building a starting OL and assembling any resemblance of depth

And Solder is...well...you know
Barkley  
stretch234 : 11/28/2021 4:36 pm : link
If the call is going to be up the middle with the defense knowing the call won’t make a difference who is back there. The OL does not,move people

There were better pass plays and throwing to Golliday helps. However, an end around right after a TO is a bad play

If we can’t say would have could have should have with Was, ATl and KC in loses, you can’t with the win.

They won and they beat the F’N Eagles
I think the play calling was better  
Ben in Tampa : 11/28/2021 4:36 pm : link
The offense still stunk, but they did look like they had a little rhythm at times. Hopefully there is more improvement with a full week.

The offensive line is seriously terrible
RE: RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
Batenhorst7 : 11/28/2021 4:37 pm : link
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.



Let me ask you a simple question

With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline

BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole



Booker and Penny run much harder and will scrap for the extra yardage that Barkley won't Get. He has no business being on the field when you are trying to run down the clock and need to get a 1st down to keep it moving or end the game


Thanks- That was my only point
Wins are rare for us....we need to know how to put the game away when the opportunity presents

Would Booker and Penny run for a 1st down- dont know
but the odds of that happening would be a 1000 percent better

It came down to an Eagles WR having greased fingers

I'll take it, but that was an gut wrenching finish

Well lets see how we can handle the Fish

Incredibly our playoff hopes are still alive but on life support
I liked what Kitchens did  
j_rud : 11/28/2021 4:37 pm : link
or tried to do. The entire shitshow is hamstrung by a pitiful offensive line and a below average QB. He mixed it up with pre-snap motion, he tried to get the ball downfield, he threw past the sticks on 3rd down, he tried to get Jones involved as a runner.

Not his fault he is saddled with arguable the worst center/right side of an OL in all of football. It wasn't Garrets either but I like what they tried to do today. Penalties, poor OL play, and bad ball placement by Jones is what led to 13 points.
Agree  
joeinpa : 11/28/2021 4:37 pm : link
Boomer and Penny should have been on last drive

Disagree that Gettleman will be back.
Uhm we have  
BigBlueJ : 11/28/2021 4:42 pm : link
an underperforming starting RB and QB. Play calls dont make them better.
The one play that really irked me  
Breeze_94 : 11/28/2021 4:43 pm : link
was the reverse coming on the heels of McKinney's pick.

Why run a risky play that can jeopardize 15 yards of field position when you are already at midfield. ANYTHING would have been better there.

RE: I liked what Kitchens did  
Batenhorst7 : 11/28/2021 4:45 pm : link
In comment 15470647 j_rud said:
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or tried to do. The entire shitshow is hamstrung by a pitiful offensive line and a below average QB. He mixed it up with pre-snap motion, he tried to get the ball downfield, he threw past the sticks on 3rd down, he tried to get Jones involved as a runner.

Not his fault he is saddled with arguable the worst center/right side of an OL in all of football. It wasn't Garrets either but I like what they tried to do today. Penalties, poor OL play, and bad ball placement by Jones is what led to 13 points.


I liked what Freddy did too but why in the world did he attempt to beat the Eagles with the "Generational Talent"

Meanwhile they were running through us like tissue paper
RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
Gman11 : 11/28/2021 4:46 pm : link
In comment 15470537 RCPhoenix said:
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.



+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting

Who are you replacing him with?
RE: RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
j_rud : 11/28/2021 4:51 pm : link
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.



+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting


Who are you replacing him with?


Anyone not named Will Hernandez. He's all attitude and zero talent or substance. The fucking Joy Behar of football.
The two shots to Galloday  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/28/2021 4:51 pm : link
in the endzone were good calls. Ball was a little off. Hopefully Toney and Sheppard get back and then we can get a better idea. This has never been all on JG but something more was going on behind the scenes imo.
RE: RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
Joe Beckwith : 11/28/2021 4:51 pm : link
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.



+1. I don’t know why Hernandez is still starting


Who are you replacing him with?


A cardboard cutout of Chris Snee.
RE: Giants  
BigBlueinDE : 11/28/2021 5:02 pm : link
In comment 15470554 Straw Hat said:
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Fans are such whiney pussies. Rest of the league must hate us.


Some are for sure and sadly, some are all over BBI.
Giants Long Drive  
Samiam : 11/28/2021 5:02 pm : link
I don’t how many minutes they ran off the clock or how many plays the drive was but I dont remember the Giants having a lead and running the clock down they way in a few years.
The Giants beat the Eagles  
arniefez : 11/28/2021 5:11 pm : link
for the 3rd time in 15 tries. Enjoy it. I know I am.
I agree about the misuse of Barkley at the end of the game.  
Ivan15 : 11/28/2021 5:22 pm : link
Barkley reportedly is so good as a receiver, that they should use him as a. Slot receiver.
It's unclear why anyone  
BlackLight : 11/28/2021 5:27 pm : link
was seriously expecting some dramatic turnaround with Kitchens calling the plays. It's the exact same playbook and it's unlikely to change much in the next six weeks.
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section125 : 11/28/2021 5:27 pm : link
In comment 15470701 j_rud said:
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Who are you replacing him with?



Anyone not named Will Hernandez. He's all attitude and zero talent or substance. The fucking Joy Behar of football.


Solder is still the worst OL out there - constantly beaten.
RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
Bizfoodie : 11/28/2021 5:37 pm : link




Let me ask you a simple question

With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline

BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole [/quote]


For me Booker and Penny. They run hard and do their job...like Penny a lot might even buy his jersey to wear at the Giants Cowboys game I’m attending in December. Pray for me lol
RE: It's unclear why anyone  
Bizfoodie : 11/28/2021 5:41 pm : link
In comment 15470830 BlackLight said:
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was seriously expecting some dramatic turnaround with Kitchens calling the plays. It's the exact same playbook and it's unlikely to change much in the next six weeks.


Thought the play calling was less predictable. Didn’t get us any more points but didn’t look helpless. Should’ve fired Garret before the bye week IMO to add a few wrinkles here and there.
All I read all week  
Daniel in MI : 11/28/2021 6:19 pm : link
Is that PHI is going to kill us and the wheels are gonna come off and…

Instead, still down Toney, Shep, Smith, etc. and with a shit OL and porous D that can’t hold on, we Fing found a way to win. We have to learn how, isn’t that what we say? Today they let the other team F up.

I’ll take that. Ugly and all, I’ll take a W over Philly.

RE: You realize  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 6:58 pm : link
In comment 15470629 Crazed Dogs said:
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the O-line totally sucks..... was a good win for this team....Biggest thing I saw was the effort....this team is buying in on Judge


The OL and Barkley both suck
the fact that the Giants couldn't stop the run  
gidiefor : Mod : 11/28/2021 7:37 pm : link
all game kept Philly in it to the end -- and it's worrisome.

I thought he Offensive scheme of the Giants was much more aggressive than it's been - but there are still execution issues - maybe it has something to do with Jones running for his life all game.

If Fukking Solder is playing here next year I will be very fukking upset -- he looks good on half his plays and the other half are mysteries of science. I wonder how playing next to Solder effects Hernandez.

I'll take the win and the four turnovers!


The backfield may have played it's best game of the season -- and Crowder and Love played way above their pay grades today
I know the score didn't show it today  
SteelGiant : 11/28/2021 7:38 pm : link
But I actually saw a couple things I thought were noticable compared to Garrett

We did not run a draw play for 2 yards on multiple first down plays. Actually there were multiple throws for almost 10 yards for first downs on early down plays.

I saw more attempts to Golladay one game more than I saw in multiple weeks put together. There was even that throw to the end zone over 10 yards to him. That attempt was never made in Garrets offense.

I saw more touches to Barkley attempt to use him as the weapon he should be.

Kitchens was more aggressive then Garrett and all the Jones haters said that if we were more aggressive that DJ would be a turnover machine and that was not the case today. DJ took care of the ball rather well.

Does the team still need to execute better, yes of course. You can not have that holding penalty and the blown up reverse was also a brutal set back.

Was DJ perfect, no. Did the OLine play terrible at times, yes. But I do think it was a noticible difference for a short week to install a different mindset.

Would I have like to see more points on the board? But Garretts play calling would have lost that game because we would have seen more curl routes and even more 2 yard draws and probably would have only scored 3 points.
RE: RE: I feel like the playcalling was better  
BMac : 11/28/2021 7:43 pm : link
In comment 15470556 Batenhorst7 said:
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... but the line is so bad, i don't know.

Given it was week 1, I didn't think he did poorly.



Let me ask you a simple question

With Booker and Penny on the bench would you have had Barkley running those last few plays? Oline or no Oline

BTW the Oline played pretty well today as a whole


I doubt that Freddy and Judge are any too impressed with you either, tootsie.
I didn’t think the offense was aggressive at all.  
cosmicj : 11/28/2021 7:48 pm : link
There were 2 pass attempts over 20 yards in the air the entire game - the end zone shot to Golladay and a 3rd down incompletion in the 4th quarter. So no completions where Jones threw long.

The changes had to do with forcing balls to Golladay and trying to get passes to Barkley in space. I’m sure there were other wrinkles that I haven’t noticed, but Kitchens played the whole thing tight to the vest.
RE: I didn’t think the offense was aggressive at all.  
SteelGiant : 11/28/2021 9:03 pm : link
In comment 15471171 cosmicj said:
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There were 2 pass attempts over 20 yards in the air the entire game - the end zone shot to Golladay and a 3rd down incompletion in the 4th quarter. So no completions where Jones threw long.

The changes had to do with forcing balls to Golladay and trying to get passes to Barkley in space. I’m sure there were other wrinkles that I haven’t noticed, but Kitchens played the whole thing tight to the vest.


I probably should have stated that better, he was not agressive in the sense of throwing deep bombs but I mean more aggressive than Garret as less conservative. Specifically passing in early downs, You say "forcing" I say game planning better. I think this offensive will become a little more agressive down field but I think a combo of a short week and the obvious shit OLine hampers that.

They need to produce more for sure and today was not good enough. I am just comparing what differences I could see live. I know that I threw the remote at least 5 less times this week. Hopefully in another a week Kitchens can make some more tweaks.
Good article on SI about what the noticeable difference were  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/28/2021 9:14 pm : link
https://www.si.com/nfl/giants/gameday/what-giants-offense-changed-under-kitchens

The Giants also threw most of their passes to moving targets. Under Garrett, the Giants had their fair share of routes in which the receiver would start a route, stop, catch the ball, and have to start up again. Not surprisingly, that made it too easy for defenders to catch up and bring them down.

This week, that wasn't so much the case, and it showed in the average separation rate for the receivers.

The league average is 2.89 yards of separation, but the Giants had three receiving targets--receiver Darius Slayton (4.65 yards), tight end Evan Engram (3.08 yards), and tight end Chris Myarick (3.07 yards)--easily top the league average. While collectively 202 receiving yards wasn't much to sneeze at, the Giants did move the chains.

Kitchens didn’t reinvent the wheel, which shouldn’t have been expected given the short work week, but he was more aggressive down the stretch of the game, allowing Jones to throw the football more while somehow managing to end up with a balanced offense that favored the pass, 29-27.

The rushing attack was still ineffective, but there were some run-blocking tweaks. Rather than lean heavily on duo blocks and power/gap runs, as was the case under Garrett, the Giants incorporated some more trap blocks (a pull of a blocker to the play side of the formation to block an uncovered defender).
RE: I know the score didn't show it today  
Batenhorst7 : 11/29/2021 5:29 am : link
In comment 15471147 SteelGiant said:
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But I actually saw a couple things I thought were noticable compared to Garrett

We did not run a draw play for 2 yards on multiple first down plays. Actually there were multiple throws for almost 10 yards for first downs on early down plays.

I saw more attempts to Golladay one game more than I saw in multiple weeks put together. There was even that throw to the end zone over 10 yards to him. That attempt was never made in Garrets offense.

I saw more touches to Barkley attempt to use him as the weapon he should be.

Kitchens was more aggressive then Garrett and all the Jones haters said that if we were more aggressive that DJ would be a turnover machine and that was not the case today. DJ took care of the ball rather well.

Does the team still need to execute better, yes of course. You can not have that holding penalty and the blown up reverse was also a brutal set back.

Was DJ perfect, no. Did the OLine play terrible at times, yes. But I do think it was a noticible difference for a short week to install a different mindset.

Would I have like to see more points on the board? But Garretts play calling would have lost that game because we would have seen more curl routes and even more 2 yard draws and probably would have only scored 3 points.


I dont mind using Barkley on occasion for gadget plays but using him for critical yards or as an every down back is just plain insane, he hits the whole like a feather duster
Garretts conservative play calling annd Barkleys 1 yd runs  
Batenhorst7 : 11/29/2021 5:56 am : link
Have combined over the course of 2 seasons to destroy Jones confidence

Once that is gone its extremely hard to re-aquire

He's working on it....the line played fairly well yesterday
I cannot recall Jones getting sacked at all

Hopefully he has some Phil Simms in him and comes back fighting
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