Love the guy but using and getting him touches I think is holding the offense back. Oline isn’t good we know that but Barkley doesn’t consistently get the yards that are there and is below average picking up a blitz. I would start booker and use penny more . Also I would look at getting a rb In free agency or draft a back late. I don’t think the oline is as bad run blocking as ppl make it out to be. A solid one cut take what’s there running back who could pickup a blitz and run hard would go a long way. Those 1 yard or 0 yard gains we have trying to handoff to Barkley are killing the offense imo.
Weird game; just glad they won.
Rocky Thompson was worse if you can imagine.
I think he was a bad pick for this team and he was drafted into a bad situation. Pitiful blocking, inept coordinators, poor QB play. Add in a few injuries and he has become a reclamation project for another team. The sooner the better.
Like the player but not necessarily where we took him. Me personally I wouldn’t even take Barry Sanders at 2 with our oline. A good oline would make an OK back look good. I have no doubts Bradshaw would do better behind this line Barkley dances too much.
He was an excellent kick returner
Rocky was not a football player....he was a world class sprinter
ran the hundred meters in 10.1 seconds
Do you think the Generational talent could approach 10 seconds?
played in 29 NY Giants games
scored 3 TDs and averaged 3.2 YPC, which is about 2.2 more yds per carry than the Generational talent usually gets
Before injury a home run hitter but doesn’t consistently get the yards on the field. You can’t win like that IMO. Zeke Elliot while a cowboy (hate them lol) runs hard and doesn’t dance...maybe not as dynamic as Barkley before injury but he consistently falls forward and gets the yardage that’s there and can pick up a blitz. I was happy when we drafted Barkley but feared he would be a waste here.
I'd use Barkley more as a receiver at this point, either on screens or in the slot. He can do more damage if he's already in space when he catches the ball.
He simply isn’t an above avg player.
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was a bad pick. I'm not sure what he does well.
Before injury a home run hitter but doesn’t consistently get the yards on the field. You can’t win like that IMO. Zeke Elliot while a cowboy (hate them lol) runs hard and doesn’t dance...maybe not as dynamic as Barkley before injury but he consistently falls forward and gets the yardage that’s there and can pick up a blitz. I was happy when we drafted Barkley but feared he would be a waste here.
Someone posted here metrics about how 3 to 4 yard gains was better than the occasional long run. The occasional long run is no way to sustain drives
Someone here said that we could get a 2nd round pick for him.
I don't think that you can get a seventh round pick.
Who would want to him? He's terrible.
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was a bad pick. I'm not sure what he does well.
Before injury a home run hitter but doesn’t consistently get the yards on the field. You can’t win like that IMO. Zeke Elliot while a cowboy (hate them lol) runs hard and doesn’t dance...maybe not as dynamic as Barkley before injury but he consistently falls forward and gets the yardage that’s there and can pick up a blitz. I was happy when we drafted Barkley but feared he would be a waste here.
Someone posted here metrics about how 3 to 4 yard gains was better than the occasional long run. The occasional long run is no way to sustain drives
I agree give me a consistent 2-5 yards a carry vs 0-1 yards with an occasional 20 yard run. He’s not even getting the long runs which was his strength previously but if he can’t get that why is he being used? If I could trade him for a 4th I would...I think he can be successful in the nfl but just not with the giants currently.
Giants would be better off giving an undrafted Rb a shot and getting better production most likely .
Barkley has been a bust and the best thing they can do is trade him to another team in the offseason who thinks they can rehabilitate him
Right up there, yes. Barkley, Derek Brown, Dave Brown and Thomas Lewis come to mind as the four worst picks I can think off of the top of my head.
My thoughts as well. I'd rather have Booker get more minutes.
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But is he the worst pick in Giants history?
Rocky Thompson was worse if you can imagine.
Disagree. Based on his performance after his first season, Barkley is worse than Rocky Thompson. Barkley should return kicks like Thompson. Maybe he could upgrade is status.
I'd use Barkley more as a receiver at this point, either on screens or in the slot. He can do more damage if he's already in space when he catches the ball.
Maybe a 3rd down back until he gains his legs or we trade him elsewhere. Can’t waste time hoping he returns to a form that wasn’t great to begin with...which is a home run hitting exciting back who can’t consistently take the yards In front of him. I’m tired of seeing 3 -4 yards ahead of him and he jump cuts or hesitates then gains 1 yard or just gets back to the line of scrimmage.
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But is he the worst pick in Giants history?
Right up there, yes. Barkley, Derek Brown, Dave Brown and Thomas Lewis come to mind as the four worst picks I can think off of the top of my head.
How about Joe Don Looney?
It's his ankle, which is a killer because he's a cut-back runner. When he got hurt, I thought he was done for the year, the way he ankle ballooned. It looked like he had a softball was stuffed under the skin.
Without that ankle, he'd be the best player on the field.
He was an excellent kick returner
Rocky was not a football player....he was a world class sprinter
ran the hundred meters in 10.1 seconds
Do you think the Generational talent could approach 10 seconds?
played in 29 NY Giants games
scored 3 TDs and averaged 3.2 YPC, which is about 2.2 more yds per carry than the Generational talent usually gets
Rocky Thompson was picked 18th. Barkley was draft 2nd.
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But is he the worst pick in Giants history?
Right up there, yes. Barkley, Derek Brown, Dave Brown and Thomas Lewis come to mind as the four worst picks I can think off of the top of my head.
How about Joe Don Looney?
+1. Joe Don Looney was worse. Rocky Thompson was worse, he didn't have a season where he gained 1000+ yds. Others were worse.
S.B. was not a good pick, and at this point is not a very productive football player, (and may never be a productive footbal player), but he's not the worst pick.
Shit, maybe that explains the low YPC - God is knocking him down when he touches the ball.
This can’t be a real take, can it? You must be a Penn State fan.
They are very similar behind the line.
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was a bad pick. I'm not sure what he does well.
Before injury a home run hitter but doesn’t consistently get the yards on the field. You can’t win like that IMO. Zeke Elliot while a cowboy (hate them lol) runs hard and doesn’t dance...maybe not as dynamic as Barkley before injury but he consistently falls forward and gets the yardage that’s there and can pick up a blitz. I was happy when we drafted Barkley but feared he would be a waste here.
Someone posted here metrics about how 3 to 4 yard gains was better than the occasional long run. The occasional long run is no way to sustain drives
Yeah, that was me...
Bottom line is that it is more important to have "successful" running plays than long one. Successful running plays are defined as either getting a 1st down or a TD, 1st down getting at least 40% of the yards required for a 1st down, 2nd down getting at least 50% of the yards required for a first down.
Teams and players who can do that consistently have a significantly higher probability of winning. There is no correlation to winning based on total yards or yards per carry. Consistent success is the key to running and winning. And that is the antithesis of Barkley's game.
That is why I say that Barkley's rookie season is a myth. He gained something like 80% of his yards on less than 10% of his plays. The vast majority of his touches were unsuccessful, even in the passing game. Gaudy numbers? Yes! Winning football, absolutely not.
Exactly. What’s done is done.
It’s in the Giants best interest for Barkley to get back to top form. Build up his value for the Giants or a trade partner.
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The Giants are on the hook for $7MM in 2022. Their best bet at this point is to hope Saquon plays better.
Exactly. What’s done is done.
It’s in the Giants best interest for Barkley to get back to top form. Build up his value for the Giants or a trade partner.
The problem is that it won't be until next year if at all that he returns to physical form. At that point he is in his final year. If you trade him at the deadline, the buyer only gets half a year before he hits FA... His value is very low. Unless there is an idiot GM willing to do a LW type of deal...
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The Giants are on the hook for $7MM in 2022. Their best bet at this point is to hope Saquon plays better.
Exactly. What’s done is done.
It’s in the Giants best interest for Barkley to get back to top form. Build up his value for the Giants or a trade partner.
The problem is that it won't be until next year if at all that he returns to physical form. At that point he is in his final year. If you trade him at the deadline, the buyer only gets half a year before he hits FA... His value is very low. Unless there is an idiot GM willing to do a LW type of deal...
Well the obvious thing to do is to prove he is good and sound between now and the end of the season and deal him in the off season. He looked good on that long run today. I think he will get better and better and a few teams will be interested.