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M.S. : 11/28/2021 5:26 pm

our WRs with the current offensive line in place.

Despite having an additional net +4 possessions, the Giants generated 264 total yards and on a few series it looked like they were playing up hill on a 45 degree slope.

Why? Because our O-line is weak and worthless. Un-athletic and un-coordinated. And it’s not likely we will see much better for the remaining games this season.

We need to find where value meets need in next year’s Draft and come away with 2 immediate starters. At least.

As for the game today, if you are wondering why Daniel Jones didn’t heave the ball downfield under the new O.C., the reason is obvious: no time in the pocket. That’s why everything was short to intermediate.

As for Saquon Barkley, there’s a reason why he only broke off one big run today. It was the only time the offensive line allowed him to break beyond the LOS.

I’m gonna celebrate this win today against the hated Eagles. I love it! Any win by this Giants team should be celebrated because there will not be many more if their O-line is not entirely re-built from the ground up.
I'm not sure if Gates and Lemieux are the long term solutions  
BlackLight : 11/28/2021 5:30 pm : link
but we should perhaps consider that they've both spent nearly the entire season on IR.
You can to an extent.  
j_rud : 11/28/2021 5:31 pm : link
Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.
Wish I knew if  
TJ : 11/28/2021 5:32 pm : link
Gates and Lemieux have any chance of returning next season. It would help to know if we need 4 new OL starters or just 2.
Please stop with Barkley already  
Hammer : 11/28/2021 5:32 pm : link
He is horrendous. He falls over his own feet more than any running back I've ever seen.

He has no vision to see the openings when they do appear.

He is not strong at the point of attack. He has no burst. He hasn't made a decent move all year.

He hasn't broken a tackle all year. He consistently goes down on first contact, or on no contact at all.

He's done, and I'm done with him as well.
Lemiuex was a notch above liability as a rookie  
j_rud : 11/28/2021 5:33 pm : link
Penciling him in as a starter was somewhere between hopeful and negligent and miles from smart.
So it's the OL's fault  
arniefez : 11/28/2021 5:33 pm : link
that Jones can't throw a back shoulder? A competent NFL QB would have had 2 TD passes to Golladay today one on one in the end zone in perfect position for a back shoulder both times. Jones didn't come close either time and threw two easy breakups for the DBs.

The OL stinks but Jones isn't a good NFL QB. Both things can be true. As far as Barkley goes. There is nothing to evaluate. He'll be on the team next year on the last year of his contract. If he's great the Giants can franchise him (about 12 million). If he's not they can let him walk.
I can evaluate  
GiantsRage2007 : 11/28/2021 5:38 pm : link
The OL, Jones & Barkley.

The new GM will jettison all of them. (Thomas is the only piece worth keeping)

How much are you willing to give up for Evan Neal  
stoneman : 11/28/2021 5:39 pm : link
He will go top 3 - it would be like the Jumbo Elliot years - 3rd and short was automatic. Unfortunately, both our picks will probably fall outside top 3. Would have to make a costly move into top 3.
Jones is terrible  
Producer : 11/28/2021 5:40 pm : link
there's your evaluation.
That is a silly perspective  
Mike from Ohio : 11/28/2021 5:42 pm : link
If you can’t watch an individual player and reach some conclusions about how they are playing, then you simply don’t understand what you are watching.

If you want to just evaluate them on stats then yes, neither will put up much behind this putrid line. But that isn’t how you evaluate players unless you don’t understand the game.

Jones and Barkley are very disappointing at this point in their careers given where they were drafted.
Barkley is still flashing good speed and cutting ability  
Producer : 11/28/2021 5:45 pm : link
If he doesn't have another injury setback (a big if) I think he will be good next year.

If I'm a contender that needs an RB, I'd try to pry him from the Giants.
RE: You can to an extent.  
TJ : 11/28/2021 5:47 pm : link
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.


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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
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Producer : 11/28/2021 5:48 pm : link
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.



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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.


Really? How do you know this? A crystal ball?
RE: Lemiuex was a notch above liability as a rookie  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/28/2021 5:48 pm : link
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Penciling him in as a starter was somewhere between hopeful and negligent and miles from smart.


Bingo
RE: Lemiuex was a notch above liability as a rookie  
TJ : 11/28/2021 5:49 pm : link
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Penciling him in as a starter was somewhere between hopeful and negligent and miles from smart.


It's true he hasn't blocked anyone much this year.
Not that hard to evaluate Jones and Barkley  
dpinzow : 11/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
Jones is inconsistent, doesn't go through his reads, and has a messed up internal clock because his OL is bad. Basically, he's David Carr at this point.

Saquon is coming off a season ending injury, had another injury this year, and is obviously not 100%. I'd go year by year with Barkley until his contract runs out
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TJ : 11/28/2021 5:51 pm : link
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.



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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.



Really? How do you know this? A crystal ball?

Common sense and average football fan knowledge. Only people who have some weird obsession with hating jones will insist otherwise. I just don't have that weird kink.
RE: RE: You can to an extent.  
j_rud : 11/28/2021 5:57 pm : link
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.



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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.


I don't know enough about the QB class to have strong feelings there but if they like someone they should be well positioned to make a move if they want.

As for RB, it doesn't need to be a cornerstone of the roster. It probably shouldn't be. And the sooner they move on from Barkley the better. You can probably still get a second. Someone will think they can salvage him.
I think many are significantly overrating  
Section331 : 11/28/2021 5:59 pm : link
Lemieux. He was an upgrade last year only because Hernandez was that bad. We still need to upgrade that (and other) spots.
we don't need a cornerstone RB. we need a productive RB that  
markky : 11/28/2021 6:01 pm : link
can do his job, including blocking and getting the tough yards on 3rd and short.

As for Jones, he wasn't good enough in High School to get a scholarship to a top Div 1 school (he was a walk on at Duke), he wasn't good enough in college to create draft-worthy buzz until the Senior Bowl (and even then it was limited), he hasn't shown he's the man in the NFL. at what point does even Daniel Jones start to wonder why he's still a starter in the NFL? he's the definition of failing upward.

I'm really really hoping I'm wrong. He's tough. And he's athletic. And he is very easy to root for. There is nothing not to like about the kid.

But I absolutely reject the idea that we cannot evaluate Barkley or Jones because of the OL.
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Producer : 11/28/2021 6:04 pm : link
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.



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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.



Really? How do you know this? A crystal ball?


Common sense and average football fan knowledge. Only people who have some weird obsession with hating jones will insist otherwise. I just don't have that weird kink.


Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.

And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.

You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.

It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.
I'd say it's tough to evaluate guys  
ghost718 : 11/28/2021 6:05 pm : link
due to the entire offensive scheme.

I don't see anyone flourishing in this offense,which is tough to do in today's NFL.So that would lead me to question the person who designed it.
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TJ : 11/28/2021 6:06 pm : link
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.



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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.



I don't know enough about the QB class to have strong feelings there but if they like someone they should be well positioned to make a move if they want.

As for RB, it doesn't need to be a cornerstone of the roster. It probably shouldn't be. And the sooner they move on from Barkley the better. You can probably still get a second. Someone will think they can salvage him.


There is no qb in this class likely to fall to the giants who is going to be worth putting off addressing the OL yet again. Not to mention the pass rush.
As for Barkley he's scheduled to cost ~7.2 million salary or dead cap in 22. How likely does it seem somebody will trade for him with that salary?
At this point I'm just hoping 1-2 of the Olinemen, not named Thomas  
Tom in NY : 11/28/2021 6:07 pm : link
can provide some sort of depth next season.

Did you notice when Phila lost one of their Olinemen, the next guy came in and there was little to no difference? They have built a very solid foundation on their Oline, a blueprint the Giants should be looking at very closely.

Can Peart, Lemieux, Skura, and/or Gate provide some depth next year? I love Nick Gates and hope he can come back in play, but counting on him right now seems like a bad idea.
It is very simple  
Chris L. : 11/28/2021 6:08 pm : link
this team has run the ball better with Devante Booker in the game. A journeyman back who could have been picked up by anyone in the off season on the cheep. Barkley SUCKS! Come to grips with it. It is the truth. He had one carry today for 31 yards. On the other 10 carries he picked up 9 yards. It is the same story every week. He constantly puts your offense behind the sticks with horrible yardage on first down carries. The line is not great but Barkley makes it look worse not better. If we resign this guy for anything more than third down running back money we are crazy.
Almost three years of tape  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/28/2021 6:15 pm : link
And practice. We have the wrong HC if he does not know regardless of the player limitations imo.
When can you evaluate them?  
lax counsel : 11/28/2021 6:15 pm : link
When they have 9 all pros around them and are able to produce at even a league average level? First jones needed all his weapons back…then he got them back…then they score 10 and 13 points against bottom half of the league defenses.
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TJ : 11/28/2021 6:17 pm : link
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.

And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.

You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.

It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.


No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.
Here is another way to look at it. We should absolutely be  
markky : 11/28/2021 6:18 pm : link
spending our draft picks on the "real" playmakers on the field: the OL and the Edge rushers. Let's win the battles in the trenches on both sides of the ball every week.

If we fix the important positions on the field, the trenches, we then have the freedom to bring replace the other question marks on the roster with low risk.

We haven't fixed the most important parts of the team (as DG promised), AND we also suck at other positions.
I’ve seen enough of Jones  
UberAlias : 11/28/2021 6:19 pm : link
To be pretty sure he isn’t the answer. Too many in accurate throws and poor reads of field. I could be wrong but at this point there’s a large enough body of work.
RE: At this point I'm just hoping 1-2 of the Olinemen, not named Thomas  
TJ : 11/28/2021 6:20 pm : link
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can provide some sort of depth next season.

Did you notice when Phila lost one of their Olinemen, the next guy came in and there was little to no difference? They have built a very solid foundation on their Oline, a blueprint the Giants should be looking at very closely.

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I think you're mistaken. When eagles lost their starting center the replacement quickly committed two really bad holding penalties. One cost them a TD.
RE: Here is another way to look at it. We should absolutely be  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/28/2021 6:22 pm : link
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spending our draft picks on the "real" playmakers on the field: the OL and the Edge rushers. Let's win the battles in the trenches on both sides of the ball every week.

If we fix the important positions on the field, the trenches, we then have the freedom to bring replace the other question marks on the roster with low risk.

We haven't fixed the most important parts of the team (as DG promised), AND we also suck at other positions.


Exactly. With all the complaining about certain players on this site... upgrading the blocking and pass rush on this team will only make those players(and their eventual replacements) better.
You can’t evaluate Barkley?  
Dave in PA : 11/28/2021 6:24 pm : link
So the guy that’s obviously lost a lot of explosion, is hesitant to run in a straight line and terrified of contact is not capable of being evaluated? I beg to differ
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markky : 11/28/2021 6:28 pm : link
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spending our draft picks on the "real" playmakers on the field: the OL and the Edge rushers. Let's win the battles in the trenches on both sides of the ball every week.

If we fix the important positions on the field, the trenches, we then have the freedom to bring replace the other question marks on the roster with low risk.

We haven't fixed the most important parts of the team (as DG promised), AND we also suck at other positions.



Exactly. With all the complaining about certain players on this site... upgrading the blocking and pass rush on this team will only make those players(and their eventual replacements) better.


That's what I was trying to say.
Could Glennon/Booker be less productive ?  
averagejoe : 11/28/2021 6:35 pm : link
In a high scoring pass happy NFL it is painful watching the Giants score their one offensive TD a game. Tiny Dancer Barkley and No TD Jones are unwatchable. The red zone is where they both go to disappear. The OL stinks but our playmakers never make plays. Here is my evaluation : Barkley and Jones stink.
I’m so sick of hearing this cop out  
MtDizzle : 11/28/2021 6:40 pm : link
from fans.
Basically 3 years of tape  
MyNameIsMyName : 11/28/2021 6:47 pm : link
I’m not having an issue evaluating them
It's a nonsense take that holds no substance.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/28/2021 6:50 pm : link
Players get evaluated independent of the circumstances around them all the time.

Barkley's not good separate from his OL. There's a reason why Booker looks like a serviceable player and Barkley does nothing but string together 3 yard runs and trip over his own feet.
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Producer : 11/28/2021 7:01 pm : link
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.

And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.

You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.

It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.



No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.


I haven't flooded anything. Meanwhile you have backed off what you said. So you basically admit you posted utter nonsense. I can see why you'd rather attack me than defend your gibberish. Get outta here with your weak ass bullshit. another butthurt Jones cultist who can't stand he was wrong about the most important decision facing the Giants.
Barkley should be the guy getting  
mattnyg05 : 11/28/2021 7:27 pm : link
eased into carries while Booker gets the lions share. Idk why this is so hard to comprehend for them-booker (and even Penny at this point) run harder and more decisively than Barkley. He needs to get his legs under him
And get confidence back. Work him in.
The OP isn't accurate  
Go Terps : 11/28/2021 7:32 pm : link
Of course you can evaluate Jones and Barkley. There is a ton of sample size to draw from.

But even if the OP were accurate and you couldn't evaluate them, you still can't give either a second contract. You don't give out that kind of money to unproven players. At that point it's just a question of "fairness" - a concept that has no place in a competitive sport where the athletes are paid millions of dollars.

Whether it's their poor play or random unfortunate circumstance - Jones and Barkley have been poor Giants.
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TJ : 11/28/2021 7:53 pm : link
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.

And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.

You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.

It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.



No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.



I haven't flooded anything. Meanwhile you have backed off what you said. So you basically admit you posted utter nonsense. I can see why you'd rather attack me than defend your gibberish. Get outta here with your weak ass bullshit. another butthurt Jones cultist who can't stand he was wrong about the most important decision facing the Giants.


This is the last post I'll waste on you.
You're a troll (which is weird enough) or you've got a severe personality disorder. Do us all a favor and address your mental health issue and come back when you're better.
RE: Jones is terrible  
Johnny5 : 11/28/2021 9:16 pm : link
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there's your evaluation.

Well, So are you. lol
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.

And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.

You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.

It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.



No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.



I haven't flooded anything. Meanwhile you have backed off what you said. So you basically admit you posted utter nonsense. I can see why you'd rather attack me than defend your gibberish. Get outta here with your weak ass bullshit. another butthurt Jones cultist who can't stand he was wrong about the most important decision facing the Giants.



This is the last post I'll waste on you.
You're a troll (which is weird enough) or you've got a severe personality disorder. Do us all a favor and address your mental health issue and come back when you're better.


You said something stupid. I called you on it with ironclad logic. You can't admit you are wrong. And I'm the one with the personality disorder.

Stop throwing concepts around that you don't understand.
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Producer : 11/28/2021 9:20 pm : link
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there's your evaluation.


Well, So are you. lol


Well, I'm not the QB of the NYG. And no, you're not funny.
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Johnny5 : 11/28/2021 10:01 pm : link
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there's your evaluation.


Well, So are you. lol



Well, I'm not the QB of the NYG. And no, you're not funny.

Am so.
How miserable is the Giants offensive line?  
M.S. : 11/29/2021 6:58 am : link

26th in rushing yards per game (90.8)
27th in rushing yards per attempt (3.9)
28th in rushing TDs (7)
28th in time of possession (28:54)
29th in rushing first downs (54)

If this hot mess of a unit isn't re-built from the ground up, neither the QB, RB or WR positions will ever come close to reaching their full potential.

And neither will our defense.
BBI logic:  
NYDCBlue : 11/30/2021 1:48 am : link
You can't judge the Giants QBs because the line is so bad....
And you can't judge our line because the Tight Ends are so bad....
And you can't judge the tight ends because our Wide Receivers are so bad....
And you can't judge our wide receivers because or Running Backs are so bad....
And you can't judge our Running backs, because the defense sucks....
etc.

Can anyone be judged individually?
RE: BBI logic:  
M.S. : 11/30/2021 6:42 am : link
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You can't judge the Giants QBs because the line is so bad....
And you can't judge our line because the Tight Ends are so bad....
And you can't judge the tight ends because our Wide Receivers are so bad....
And you can't judge our wide receivers because or Running Backs are so bad....
And you can't judge our Running backs, because the defense sucks....
etc.

Can anyone be judged individually?

Joe Judge? (:-)
RE: You can’t evaluate Barkley?  
x meadowlander : 11/30/2021 8:57 am : link
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So the guy that’s obviously lost a lot of explosion, is hesitant to run in a straight line and terrified of contact is not capable of being evaluated? I beg to differ


You mean the guy who clearly plays hurt behind a garbage OL?

We already saw what Barkley can do when healthy behind a mediocre line. He isn't even getting mediocre blocking at this point. The only time Giant running backs are getting lanes is when opposing defenses screw up assignments. Give Barkley an inch, he will still take a mile. He doesn't get an inch.

Yes, you can evaluate players  
Section331 : 11/30/2021 9:03 am : link
even if they are playing behind poor OL's. With QB's, you can see how they process information, how quickly they get to their secondary and tertiary reads. With RB's, are they missing holes, are they trying to bounce everything outside?
RE: Lemiuex was a notch above liability as a rookie  
TyreeHelmet : 11/30/2021 9:13 am : link
In comment 15470846 j_rud said:
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Penciling him in as a starter was somewhere between hopeful and negligent and miles from smart.


Bingo. Posters on here act like the Giants lost prime Alan Faneca to injury. Even Gates is a question mark- especially with that injury. They have one starter on the line going into next year.

But you can 100% evaluate both of these guys.
The OP reads like something Mara would say  
JonC : 11/30/2021 9:24 am : link
rather than get to the heart of this mess and start making changes top to bottom.
RE: RE: You can’t evaluate Barkley?  
rsjem1979 : 11/30/2021 9:26 am : link
In comment 15473878 x meadowlander said:
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Give Barkley an inch, he will still take a mile. He doesn't get an inch.


More accurately, give Barkley an inch, 9 times out of 10 he'll get exactly an inch, and then the other time he'll get 60 yards.
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