our WRs with the current offensive line in place.
Despite having an additional net +4 possessions, the Giants generated 264 total yards and on a few series it looked like they were playing up hill on a 45 degree slope.
Why? Because our O-line is weak and worthless. Un-athletic and un-coordinated. And it’s not likely we will see much better for the remaining games this season.
We need to find where value meets need in next year’s Draft and come away with 2 immediate starters. At least.
As for the game today, if you are wondering why Daniel Jones didn’t heave the ball downfield under the new O.C., the reason is obvious: no time in the pocket. That’s why everything was short to intermediate.
As for Saquon Barkley, there’s a reason why he only broke off one big run today. It was the only time the offensive line allowed him to break beyond the LOS.
I’m gonna celebrate this win today against the hated Eagles. I love it! Any win by this Giants team should be celebrated because there will not be many more if their O-line is not entirely re-built from the ground up.
He has no vision to see the openings when they do appear.
He is not strong at the point of attack. He has no burst. He hasn't made a decent move all year.
He hasn't broken a tackle all year. He consistently goes down on first contact, or on no contact at all.
He's done, and I'm done with him as well.
The OL stinks but Jones isn't a good NFL QB. Both things can be true. As far as Barkley goes. There is nothing to evaluate. He'll be on the team next year on the last year of his contract. If he's great the Giants can franchise him (about 12 million). If he's not they can let him walk.
The new GM will jettison all of them. (Thomas is the only piece worth keeping)
If you want to just evaluate them on stats then yes, neither will put up much behind this putrid line. But that isn’t how you evaluate players unless you don’t understand the game.
Jones and Barkley are very disappointing at this point in their careers given where they were drafted.
If I'm a contender that needs an RB, I'd try to pry him from the Giants.
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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.
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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
Really? How do you know this? A crystal ball?
Bingo
It's true he hasn't blocked anyone much this year.
Saquon is coming off a season ending injury, had another injury this year, and is obviously not 100%. I'd go year by year with Barkley until his contract runs out
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.
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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
Really? How do you know this? A crystal ball?
Common sense and average football fan knowledge. Only people who have some weird obsession with hating jones will insist otherwise. I just don't have that weird kink.
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.
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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
I don't know enough about the QB class to have strong feelings there but if they like someone they should be well positioned to make a move if they want.
As for RB, it doesn't need to be a cornerstone of the roster. It probably shouldn't be. And the sooner they move on from Barkley the better. You can probably still get a second. Someone will think they can salvage him.
As for Jones, he wasn't good enough in High School to get a scholarship to a top Div 1 school (he was a walk on at Duke), he wasn't good enough in college to create draft-worthy buzz until the Senior Bowl (and even then it was limited), he hasn't shown he's the man in the NFL. at what point does even Daniel Jones start to wonder why he's still a starter in the NFL? he's the definition of failing upward.
I'm really really hoping I'm wrong. He's tough. And he's athletic. And he is very easy to root for. There is nothing not to like about the kid.
But I absolutely reject the idea that we cannot evaluate Barkley or Jones because of the OL.
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.
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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
Really? How do you know this? A crystal ball?
Common sense and average football fan knowledge. Only people who have some weird obsession with hating jones will insist otherwise. I just don't have that weird kink.
Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.
And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.
You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.
It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.
I don't see anyone flourishing in this offense,which is tough to do in today's NFL.So that would lead me to question the person who designed it.
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Jones nor Barkley are game changers or franchise cornerstones. The sooner they move on the better off we will be.
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Jones will be the QB here for a minimum one more year. Giants will not draft, buy, or trade for a "game changer" qb by next season.
And there will be no new "franchise cornerstone" rb on the roster.
I don't know enough about the QB class to have strong feelings there but if they like someone they should be well positioned to make a move if they want.
As for RB, it doesn't need to be a cornerstone of the roster. It probably shouldn't be. And the sooner they move on from Barkley the better. You can probably still get a second. Someone will think they can salvage him.
There is no qb in this class likely to fall to the giants who is going to be worth putting off addressing the OL yet again. Not to mention the pass rush.
As for Barkley he's scheduled to cost ~7.2 million salary or dead cap in 22. How likely does it seem somebody will trade for him with that salary?
Did you notice when Phila lost one of their Olinemen, the next guy came in and there was little to no difference? They have built a very solid foundation on their Oline, a blueprint the Giants should be looking at very closely.
Can Peart, Lemieux, Skura, and/or Gate provide some depth next year? I love Nick Gates and hope he can come back in play, but counting on him right now seems like a bad idea.
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.
And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.
You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.
It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.
No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.
If we fix the important positions on the field, the trenches, we then have the freedom to bring replace the other question marks on the roster with low risk.
We haven't fixed the most important parts of the team (as DG promised), AND we also suck at other positions.
Did you notice when Phila lost one of their Olinemen, the next guy came in and there was little to no difference? They have built a very solid foundation on their Oline, a blueprint the Giants should be looking at very closely.
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I think you're mistaken. When eagles lost their starting center the replacement quickly committed two really bad holding penalties. One cost them a TD.
If we fix the important positions on the field, the trenches, we then have the freedom to bring replace the other question marks on the roster with low risk.
We haven't fixed the most important parts of the team (as DG promised), AND we also suck at other positions.
Exactly. With all the complaining about certain players on this site... upgrading the blocking and pass rush on this team will only make those players(and their eventual replacements) better.
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spending our draft picks on the "real" playmakers on the field: the OL and the Edge rushers. Let's win the battles in the trenches on both sides of the ball every week.
If we fix the important positions on the field, the trenches, we then have the freedom to bring replace the other question marks on the roster with low risk.
We haven't fixed the most important parts of the team (as DG promised), AND we also suck at other positions.
Exactly. With all the complaining about certain players on this site... upgrading the blocking and pass rush on this team will only make those players(and their eventual replacements) better.
That's what I was trying to say.
Barkley's not good separate from his OL. There's a reason why Booker looks like a serviceable player and Barkley does nothing but string together 3 yard runs and trip over his own feet.
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.
And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.
You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.
It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.
No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.
I haven't flooded anything. Meanwhile you have backed off what you said. So you basically admit you posted utter nonsense. I can see why you'd rather attack me than defend your gibberish. Get outta here with your weak ass bullshit. another butthurt Jones cultist who can't stand he was wrong about the most important decision facing the Giants.
And get confidence back. Work him in.
But even if the OP were accurate and you couldn't evaluate them, you still can't give either a second contract. You don't give out that kind of money to unproven players. At that point it's just a question of "fairness" - a concept that has no place in a competitive sport where the athletes are paid millions of dollars.
Whether it's their poor play or random unfortunate circumstance - Jones and Barkley have been poor Giants.
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.
And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.
You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.
It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.
No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.
I haven't flooded anything. Meanwhile you have backed off what you said. So you basically admit you posted utter nonsense. I can see why you'd rather attack me than defend your gibberish. Get outta here with your weak ass bullshit. another butthurt Jones cultist who can't stand he was wrong about the most important decision facing the Giants.
This is the last post I'll waste on you.
You're a troll (which is weird enough) or you've got a severe personality disorder. Do us all a favor and address your mental health issue and come back when you're better.
Well, So are you. lol
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Lol.. Ok got it. You think a new GM will come in and there is no chance he will want to draft a QB, even on day 2, and start to make his imprint on the team? You think a new GM definitely wants to play with Gettleman's failed team? You think a new GM definitely won't bring in competition for Jones? And at this stage a 2nd or 3rd round pick will take the job from Jones. You think there is NO chance that can happen? You are deluded if you think there is NO chance that can happen.
And Judge, who will be coaching for his job next season, you think he wants his fate in the hands of a back-up level QB? You think there is NO chance he brings in competition? NONE? Again, if you think that, you are delusional.
You have been numbed by the Giants' failure and the glacial pace of change in this organization. A normal GM, will start to move quickly away from Jones. A normal coach will give himself options.
It certainly is possible that Jones will start through next season. It seems equally likely there will be another QB at the help next season.
No. What I think is your inexplicable jones obsession forces you to flood the site endlessly and repetitively, baring your bleeding psyche for us all to put up with. I don't believe you are capable of discussing the team rationally so I won't bother attempting it with you.
And frankly I worry for your mental health. Plus youre pitiful trolling behavior is becoming a drag for everyone involved.
I haven't flooded anything. Meanwhile you have backed off what you said. So you basically admit you posted utter nonsense. I can see why you'd rather attack me than defend your gibberish. Get outta here with your weak ass bullshit. another butthurt Jones cultist who can't stand he was wrong about the most important decision facing the Giants.
This is the last post I'll waste on you.
You're a troll (which is weird enough) or you've got a severe personality disorder. Do us all a favor and address your mental health issue and come back when you're better.
You said something stupid. I called you on it with ironclad logic. You can't admit you are wrong. And I'm the one with the personality disorder.
Stop throwing concepts around that you don't understand.
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there's your evaluation.
Well, So are you. lol
Well, I'm not the QB of the NYG. And no, you're not funny.
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there's your evaluation.
Well, So are you. lol
Well, I'm not the QB of the NYG. And no, you're not funny.
Am so.
26th in rushing yards per game (90.8)
27th in rushing yards per attempt (3.9)
28th in rushing TDs (7)
28th in time of possession (28:54)
29th in rushing first downs (54)
If this hot mess of a unit isn't re-built from the ground up, neither the QB, RB or WR positions will ever come close to reaching their full potential.
And neither will our defense.
And you can't judge our line because the Tight Ends are so bad....
And you can't judge the tight ends because our Wide Receivers are so bad....
And you can't judge our wide receivers because or Running Backs are so bad....
And you can't judge our Running backs, because the defense sucks....
etc.
Can anyone be judged individually?
And you can't judge our line because the Tight Ends are so bad....
And you can't judge the tight ends because our Wide Receivers are so bad....
And you can't judge our wide receivers because or Running Backs are so bad....
And you can't judge our Running backs, because the defense sucks....
etc.
Can anyone be judged individually?
Joe Judge? (:-)
You mean the guy who clearly plays hurt behind a garbage OL?
We already saw what Barkley can do when healthy behind a mediocre line. He isn't even getting mediocre blocking at this point. The only time Giant running backs are getting lanes is when opposing defenses screw up assignments. Give Barkley an inch, he will still take a mile. He doesn't get an inch.
Bingo. Posters on here act like the Giants lost prime Alan Faneca to injury. Even Gates is a question mark- especially with that injury. They have one starter on the line going into next year.
But you can 100% evaluate both of these guys.
More accurately, give Barkley an inch, 9 times out of 10 he'll get exactly an inch, and then the other time he'll get 60 yards.