We took him with the 2nd overall pick. He's been available for less than half of his career, and when he is in, he's not even good.
NFL Media / the team keeps pushing him as some sort of star player based off a good rookie season where he made people miss with agility that he hasn't shown again since.
He is a net negative, and we are better off without him.
I really don't understand so-called fans that can't enjoy a victory.
Can’t you “fans” at least understand recovery from markedly severe injuries to lower extremities in some one whose ability and talent lay in their lower extremities.
It could be but him saying that is a little revealing.
Sure he flashes now and again - he did today with a long run - but the vast majority of the time he’s on the field, he’s doing something detrimental to the drive. He’s an amazing athlete, but just an OK football player and that is a big problem for the #2 overall pick.
Besides that play, he was essentially 12 carries for 10 yards.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say the he isn't recovered fully from the surgery. But he's definitely not the same player. Not even close.
And it went for 30 yards
Besides that play, he was essentially 12 carries for 10 yards.
I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt and say the he isn't recovered fully from the surgery. But he's definitely not the same player. Not even close.
the run was pretty good. I think next year Barkley will be ready for close to return to form. But the Giants should trade him for a pick, imo.
And it went for 30 yards
That wasn't a hole. It was a canyon. SB didn't get touched until he got pushed out of bounds.
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He would immediately be playing to potential. He had one hole today. One.
And it went for 30 yards
That wasn't a hole. It was a canyon. SB didn't get touched until he got pushed out of bounds.
I didn't rewatch it but as I recall the cut that got him in the open was an elite level change of direction. Severe cut without losing speed. Saquon still has something left if he stays healthy - big if.
Actually, I thought he made some key blocks today. I don't recall Barry Sanders being much of a blocker...
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He can’t block to save his life.
Actually, I thought he made some key blocks today. I don't recall Barry Sanders being much of a blocker...
Barry sanders wasn't built like a Dodge Ram. He was small and sub-190.
Barkley has Fullback size and dances like a ballerina when he's concerned about physical contact.
That wasn't a hole. It was a canyon. SB didn't get touched until he got pushed out of bounds.
I didn't rewatch it but as I recall the cut that got him in the open was an elite level change of direction. Severe cut without losing speed. Saquon still has something left if he stays healthy - big if.
It was a nice jump cut, but the hole on the left side was huge. Thomas pushed the DE way outside and the Price and Skura double teamed the DT. It was a beautifully executed scheme by the OL.
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He can’t block to save his life.
Actually, I thought he made some key blocks today. I don't recall Barry Sanders being much of a blocker...
Barry sanders wasn't built like a Dodge Ram. He was small and sub-190.
Barkley has Fullback size and dances like a ballerina when he's concerned about physical contact.
My point was, people wouldn't care if he was getting a bunch of yards every game. The problem is he's not getting a bunch of yards therefore we're looking at all of his faults.
There is no doubt spending a #2 on a RB in 2018 was a monumental blunder. And that alone was a firing mistake.
He was the best RB in the league or top 2 in his rookie year with a miserable offensive line. Gettleman drafted him based on THAT guy. If he never looked amazing, I'd agree, but I've seen his ability as a runner and it was incredible WHEN healthy. OBJ was also not a bad draft pick. He was incredible when healthy.
He was the best RB in the league or top 2 in his rookie year with a miserable offensive line. Gettleman drafted him based on THAT guy. If he never looked amazing, I'd agree, but I've seen his ability as a runner and it was incredible WHEN healthy. OBJ was also not a bad draft pick. He was incredible when healthy.
Your judging him now. Not coming out of college or his rookie year. That's revisionist history. He was supremely talented.
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the Barkley apologists are the worst. He is the team’s worst draft pick in 40 years and it isn’t even close. He is the living, breathing symbol of the disastrous gettleman tenure and everything that has gone wrong the last four years. He needs to be exorcised from the roster.
He was the best RB in the league or top 2 in his rookie year with a miserable offensive line. Gettleman drafted him based on THAT guy. If he never looked amazing, I'd agree, but I've seen his ability as a runner and it was incredible WHEN healthy. OBJ was also not a bad draft pick. He was incredible when healthy.
Sorry.. I agree with you that he was at least a top-5 back and still has top-10 potential when healthy, but he was never worth the #2 pick in the draft. You just don't spend that capital on a RB, and Barkley's career has shown you why.
At least RG3 got his team to the playoffs his rookie year.
This is what I think too. They believe they will need him next year and after, so they are letting him play back into football shape. He admits he hasn't fully recovered and the coaches must know that too. He also said things like his field vision, cutback ability, etc., are slowly coming back but not there yet (obviously). They probably think the best way to get back is to play. Gain confidence, take hits, start seeing the holes better, and start trusting that his knee won't give out. If this were only about this season then at a minimum Booker would be splitting time with him.
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the Barkley apologists are the worst. He is the team’s worst draft pick in 40 years and it isn’t even close. He is the living, breathing symbol of the disastrous gettleman tenure and everything that has gone wrong the last four years. He needs to be exorcised from the roster.
He was the best RB in the league or top 2 in his rookie year with a miserable offensive line. Gettleman drafted him based on THAT guy. If he never looked amazing, I'd agree, but I've seen his ability as a runner and it was incredible WHEN healthy. OBJ was also not a bad draft pick. He was incredible when healthy.
they were both incredibly stupid draft picks. you build from the inside out. and it's not hindsight. Martin and Donald were much more popular choices on this site when we picked OBJ. and we could have turned the Barkley pick into at least two #1 picks and taken big guys. THIS IS WHY WE SUCK!
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the Barkley apologists are the worst. He is the team’s worst draft pick in 40 years and it isn’t even close. He is the living, breathing symbol of the disastrous gettleman tenure and everything that has gone wrong the last four years. He needs to be exorcised from the roster.
He was the best RB in the league or top 2 in his rookie year with a miserable offensive line. Gettleman drafted him based on THAT guy. If he never looked amazing, I'd agree, but I've seen his ability as a runner and it was incredible WHEN healthy. OBJ was also not a bad draft pick. He was incredible when healthy.
Sorry.. I agree with you that he was at least a top-5 back and still has top-10 potential when healthy, but he was never worth the #2 pick in the draft. You just don't spend that capital on a RB, and Barkley's career has shown you why.
Can't argue with that. Barkley needs to be a perennial all-pro to justify that pick. But I thought he would be and so did many others.
So was DG’s evaluation of Barkley a mistake? Yes, because it assumed Barkley would not lose that high level quickness he had as a college player and didn’t reveal that Barkley’s instincts and ability to be a disciplined rusher who could generate 4 yard carries consistently even when the blocking wasn’t working all the time.
Thanks for presenting a good question.
Saquon Barkley has had one plus skill from PSU up to now — an explosive first step that gets him free. It’s a fabulous skill. Maybe once in a lifetime type skill.
Without it he’s, well … Devontae Booker.
But my god, they CANNOT figure out how to use him in the passing game and its infuriating
1:1 he can shake a defender, no.
Why is he special again?
It was the Jets game in the middle of his second season when he put up one of the most remarkable game stats I've ever seen for a running back. 13 carries for 1 yard.
If a running back only gained one yard on his first seven carries, who would give him the ball six more times?
Today, take away the 32 yard run, and he's 12 carries for 8 yards. That doesn't help Jones. He needs someone who can get at least 4 or 5 yards between the tackles on first down so he's not second and long.
He's not a power runner or a short yardage runner, so they have to admit that and play to his strengths. He's a dangerous outlet receiver. If he could stay home to pick up blitzers and then slide out into the flat as a safety valve he would help the team.
He could run outside and turn the corner, if they didn't try that too often.
Teams don't run sweeps anymore? What would Mercury Morris do in today's NFL.
I really don't understand so-called fans that can't enjoy a victory.
Anyone the Giants have played over him the last two years has been more productive in this offense. They’re not good either, but better than Barkley.
It's a completely ass-backwards philosophy which has proven dead wrong several times over already. A smart franchise would have learned from the David Wilson mistake.
4 turnovers. We won by 6 points. Our #2 overall pick is one of the main reasons for that. Facts.
Instead we had a terrible line, Saquon's injuries have taken away his explosive cuts and acceleration, and in a pass-centric era, his lame blocking is a major liability. Booker should be our RB, and SB should be a receiver – in space. With his good hands, discipline, and cutting ability, he'd be a handful as a #2 or slot receiver.