Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
Reagor has been a bust up until this point but who knows.
All I know is we have beat the eagles twice in a row. Both teams stink, but beating philly hasn’t been easy for the giants and I will soak this up all I can until we see them again at the Linc.
Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
I don't think the "exposure" matters at this point. In the end, they need a QB just like we do.
Is an offense that properly utilizes his wheels and has speedy receivers, backs, and a top tier TE. Oh the line of one of the best in the league.
I'm sure Jones would be thrilled with an opportunity to be in that position. Instead he's been stuck in a muddied, no motion movement offense with a mannequin at RT.
he’s an athlete playing QB. Liked it out of college but looked awful last year. Has done a good job to get a little better throwing but it isn’t enough.
The investments made don’t matter anymore. We picked Jones, they got Hurts. It’s done and done. Only thing that matters is what happens next.
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
that the eagles got good value is silly. Either they got a franchise QB or they didn’t. And if they didnt, they will need to expend further resources down the road. In any event, Reagor was the first pick, so who cares if they got “good value” quote on quote in the second round, the first round guy was a bust
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Not to mention; terps has to build teams every 4 years, because no one is worth a second contract.
But i think he recently backtracked, and LJAX is indeed worth a 2nd. At least i think that’s terps latest backtrack, it’s hard to keep track, he has so many.
Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
I don't think the "exposure" matters at this point. In the end, they need a QB just like we do.
True. But when you miss on a lottery pick at QB, it's more magnified because (1) it's the QB and (2) it's a high first round pick. Hurts is basically a flyer the Eagles are hoping is a lottery ticket.
Again, we can pile on Hurts's poor performance today. But it's one bad game. He's had a lot more good games this year (and wins) than Jones.
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
that the eagles got good value is silly. Either they got a franchise QB or they didn’t. And if they didnt, they will need to expend further resources down the road. In any event, Reagor was the first pick, so who cares if they got “good value” quote on quote in the second round, the first round guy was a bust
Eagles have rumored interest in Deshaun Watson. They certainly have the picks to trade for him
Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
I don't think the "exposure" matters at this point. In the end, they need a QB just like we do.
True. But when you miss on a lottery pick at QB, it's more magnified because (1) it's the QB and (2) it's a high first round pick. Hurts is basically a flyer the Eagles are hoping is a lottery ticket.
Again, we can pile on Hurts's poor performance today. But it's one bad game. He's had a lot more good games this year (and wins) than Jones.
Yes, let’s completely ignore the fact that hurts has a significantly better supporting cast than Jones does.
But we know how you hate when facts get in the way of your narrative…
all i know is that all my Philly friends are whining
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
I actually am against 2nd contracts for most QB’s at this time. Most Super Bowls are won on the first contract taking Brady out of the equation. It’s so hard keeping teams together nowadays.
It has to be a truly elite QB.
I'm not sure putting any stock in November mock drafts is the thing to
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
I don’t disagree that Jones might not be the answer. My point has been he can’t be fairly evaluated because of the shit that gettlemen has surrounded. Him with.
But that doesn’t stop Terps and bw from dumping all over him while forgetting the rest of the facts.
I don’t know really what to think about him other than his offensive line is annoyingly good at run blocking. They literally get five yards a clip on push. It’s insane. I don’t know how he will develop as a passer or someone who reads the field. But, if Jones had that offensive line and a running game I know he would be doing better than he is doing here. That is not to say Jones is a franchise QB either, but Terps repeated points about Hurts has to be viewed in what each is asked to do with what has been given to them. We plus, people forget Hurts is a second round pick, so I believe his initial contract is only four years, which really only makes him one year behind Jones in the cap contain game (but I could be wrong about that).
The offensive line is a travesty; nothing works without it. Our blocking is literally horrendous.
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
I don’t disagree that Jones might not be the answer. My point has been he can’t be fairly evaluated because of the shit that gettlemen has surrounded. Him with.
But that doesn’t stop Terps and bw from dumping all over him while forgetting the rest of the facts.
I want to bring in a veteran for 2022 that ensures Jones has competition for the position. I don't think Jones deserves the job because he hasn't fully earned it. What I don't want to do is pick one of these QBs who are marginal prospects in the first round. I want Aidan Hutchinson and a top OL with the two picks, then wait for 2023 when a bunch of franchise QBs (3 or 4) could be available in the draft
Now that that’s out of the way are you able to talk about Hurts? Just curious?
If went spent a high 1st on Trevor simien we are still allowed to talk about opposing team QBs regardless of how good ours is. I can laugh at teams worse than us or as bad as us even if we stink.
And that the Giants failed him terribly at the same time. I think Dave understands what you need to a large degree but the execution was terrible. I mean if the Giants could run the ball, stop the run, have a QB that throws from the pocket and get after the other QB would we all be happy?
that the eagles got good value is silly. Either they got a franchise QB or they didn’t. And if they didnt, they will need to expend further resources down the road. In any event, Reagor was the first pick, so who cares if they got “good value” quote on quote in the second round, the first round guy was a bust
Eagles have rumored interest in Deshaun Watson. They certainly have the picks to trade for him
Except Watson has to approve any trade partner, and he has only shown interest in Miami thus far. At the end of the day could he go to Phila? Sure, but it's highly unlikely that he'll choose that as his destination.
As far as Lamar Jackson, the Ravens are in a quandary. They have to find some middle ground between RB and QB to pay him, because he wins games for them - but we're in uncharted territory with a player like him so we don't know what his shelf life is. He could play into his early 30s, he could be washed up in 2 years.
In a perfect world for them, they'd have another running QB waiting in the wings (not Huntley) that they could move in and let Jackson go out into free agency (and reap the compensation pick).
Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
"...without dispute..." What?
The Eagles have played one more game than the Giants and have one more win. The 2 players' passing statistics are almost identical.
Hurts, as others have pointed out, is playing behind a very good Oline with a tremendous running game but the simple offense has been exposed and today's defensive game plan by the Giants will be replicated for the remainder of the season by every Eagle's opponent.
Yeah, I dispute that Hurts has played better than Jones, unless you are discussing which one would be a better RB or college option QB.
"...without dispute..." What?
The Eagles have played one more game than the Giants and have one more win. The 2 players' passing statistics are almost identical.
Hurts, as others have pointed out, is playing behind a very good Oline with a tremendous running game but the simple offense has been exposed and today's defensive game plan by the Giants will be replicated for the remainder of the season by every Eagle's opponent.
Yeah, I dispute that Hurts has played better than Jones, unless you are discussing which one would be a better RB or college option QB.
Tremendous running game? You mean Hurts, right? Because he is the Eagles running game.
I can re-list the stats, but before today EVERY metric - TD/INT, total TDs, YPA, etc - were better than Jones.
Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
Lions have Goff which they traded Stafford for. They also let Golladay walk. They have 30 mil of cap space. The giants have hardly any. Lions are clearly not in win now mode but rebuild mode. Giants look alot like the rams despite big free agent signings.
It is quite amusing that posters are finding solace in our lottery pick playing less worse than the Eagles project QB today.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
Then what the heck is Jones then ? An arena league QB? This guy sucks and I agree Hurts is the better qb. He is clearly a better runner who can take much more physical punishment and Jones looks to be a limited passer as well. Hurts is in his 15th start and coming off a 3 TD game. When this team wins it's not because of Jones he is basically a ride along
1. Hurts isn't that great and has serious accuracy issues.
2. Terms was 100% correct that the Eagles got better value for him than we did for Jones.
Both things are true. Rather than waiting for QB to be a desperate need requiring a high 1st round pick telegraphed to other teams, the Eagles were proactive, surprised everyone, and took a QB when they already had one.
He might not turn out to be a true franchise QB (or he still might), but that is a significantly better expenditure of draft capital.
RE: RE: Eagles OL is far better and more reliable than the Giants
And let's discuss these supposed high end weapons that Hurts apparently has in - Sanders, Watkins, Smith, Reagor, Goedert. Such household names.
I mean, it's easy to mix them up with Fournette, Evans, Godwin, Brown and Gronkowski.
This is a terrible take. The Eagles stars are the guys in the trenches, probably two HOFers in Johnson and Kelce. The other three guys aren’t great pass blockers but they are all great run blockers. And, of course, They just paid money to Goeddert like he is one of the best tight ends in football.
It is quite amusing that posters are finding solace in our lottery pick playing less worse than the Eagles project QB today.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
Let me dummy this down one last time - I DON'T like Hurts as a QB. I'm just able to set aside emotion, analyze measurables, and conclude that Hurts is having a better year than Jones.
1. Hurts isn't that great and has serious accuracy issues.
2. Terms was 100% correct that the Eagles got better value for him than we did for Jones.
Both things are true. Rather than waiting for QB to be a desperate need requiring a high 1st round pick telegraphed to other teams, the Eagles were proactive, surprised everyone, and took a QB when they already had one.
He might not turn out to be a true franchise QB (or he still might), but that is a significantly better expenditure of draft capital.
Why is it great value to draft a non franchise QB in second round? If you move on from him this off season now you have a second rounder not contributing? Anyway, the point of drafting a QB is to have them be a franchise QB. And if they drafted Hurts in the first round it wouldn’t have been great value? So what do you call their first round pick Reagor. Either the guy fits your football puzzle or he doesn’t. A franchise QB is a great value anywhere from first to last! If you don’t hit a franchise QB what’s the point of the pick—to lose to the 3-7 Giants 13-7?
It is quite amusing that posters are finding solace in our lottery pick playing less worse than the Eagles project QB today.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
Let me dummy this down one last time - I DON'T like Hurts as a QB. I'm just able to set aside emotion, analyze measurables, and conclude that Hurts is having a better year than Jones.
He is, but let’s dummy this down? Why is he having a better year? Isn’t it because he has an offensive line that allows him to utilize his limited (for a QB) but immense talent (in running).
... than waiting for QB to be a desperate need requiring a high 1st round pick telegraphed to other teams, the Eagles were proactive, surprised everyone, and took a QB when they already had one.
I don't think it was a desperate need however. Not unless oyu were Shurmur and Gettle looking for wins and excuses why this team was terrrible. Not to mention the need to play bigshot GM at the age of 70 which I am sure he wanted a lot sooner.
Hurts was brutal bad today but they still win if Reagor doesn’t drop not one .. but two tds … in the final 30 seconds today
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
All I know is we have beat the eagles twice in a row. Both teams stink, but beating philly hasn’t been easy for the giants and I will soak this up all I can until we see them again at the Linc.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
I don't think the "exposure" matters at this point. In the end, they need a QB just like we do.
I'm sure Jones would be thrilled with an opportunity to be in that position. Instead he's been stuck in a muddied, no motion movement offense with a mannequin at RT.
The investments made don’t matter anymore. We picked Jones, they got Hurts. It’s done and done. Only thing that matters is what happens next.
And yeah Raegor is a bust.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
But he’s LJAX lite, how could be play poorly??
LOL…
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Not to mention; terps has to build teams every 4 years, because no one is worth a second contract.
But i think he recently backtracked, and LJAX is indeed worth a 2nd. At least i think that’s terps latest backtrack, it’s hard to keep track, he has so many.
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Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
I don't think the "exposure" matters at this point. In the end, they need a QB just like we do.
True. But when you miss on a lottery pick at QB, it's more magnified because (1) it's the QB and (2) it's a high first round pick. Hurts is basically a flyer the Eagles are hoping is a lottery ticket.
Again, we can pile on Hurts's poor performance today. But it's one bad game. He's had a lot more good games this year (and wins) than Jones.
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Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
Eagles have rumored interest in Deshaun Watson. They certainly have the picks to trade for him
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Hurts was drafted at #53, late in the second round. So the Eagles have less exposure than our mediocre QB. He's essentially a project the Eagles are hoping to hit on. Jones was a major investment at #6 and he's failed to live up to his billing.
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
I don't think the "exposure" matters at this point. In the end, they need a QB just like we do.
True. But when you miss on a lottery pick at QB, it's more magnified because (1) it's the QB and (2) it's a high first round pick. Hurts is basically a flyer the Eagles are hoping is a lottery ticket.
Again, we can pile on Hurts's poor performance today. But it's one bad game. He's had a lot more good games this year (and wins) than Jones.
Yes, let’s completely ignore the fact that hurts has a significantly better supporting cast than Jones does.
But we know how you hate when facts get in the way of your narrative…
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Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
It has to be a truly elite QB.
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Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
I don’t disagree that Jones might not be the answer. My point has been he can’t be fairly evaluated because of the shit that gettlemen has surrounded. Him with.
But that doesn’t stop Terps and bw from dumping all over him while forgetting the rest of the facts.
The offensive line is a travesty; nothing works without it. Our blocking is literally horrendous.
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Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
I don’t disagree that Jones might not be the answer. My point has been he can’t be fairly evaluated because of the shit that gettlemen has surrounded. Him with.
But that doesn’t stop Terps and bw from dumping all over him while forgetting the rest of the facts.
I want to bring in a veteran for 2022 that ensures Jones has competition for the position. I don't think Jones deserves the job because he hasn't fully earned it. What I don't want to do is pick one of these QBs who are marginal prospects in the first round. I want Aidan Hutchinson and a top OL with the two picks, then wait for 2023 when a bunch of franchise QBs (3 or 4) could be available in the draft
If went spent a high 1st on Trevor simien we are still allowed to talk about opposing team QBs regardless of how good ours is. I can laugh at teams worse than us or as bad as us even if we stink.
It just didn’t work.
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that the eagles got good value is silly. Either they got a franchise QB or they didn’t. And if they didnt, they will need to expend further resources down the road. In any event, Reagor was the first pick, so who cares if they got “good value” quote on quote in the second round, the first round guy was a bust
Eagles have rumored interest in Deshaun Watson. They certainly have the picks to trade for him
Except Watson has to approve any trade partner, and he has only shown interest in Miami thus far. At the end of the day could he go to Phila? Sure, but it's highly unlikely that he'll choose that as his destination.
As far as Lamar Jackson, the Ravens are in a quandary. They have to find some middle ground between RB and QB to pay him, because he wins games for them - but we're in uncharted territory with a player like him so we don't know what his shelf life is. He could play into his early 30s, he could be washed up in 2 years.
In a perfect world for them, they'd have another running QB waiting in the wings (not Huntley) that they could move in and let Jackson go out into free agency (and reap the compensation pick).
Now, Hurts played poorly today. But he's been better than Jones YTD. That's without dispute.
"...without dispute..." What?
The Eagles have played one more game than the Giants and have one more win. The 2 players' passing statistics are almost identical.
Hurts, as others have pointed out, is playing behind a very good Oline with a tremendous running game but the simple offense has been exposed and today's defensive game plan by the Giants will be replicated for the remainder of the season by every Eagle's opponent.
Yeah, I dispute that Hurts has played better than Jones, unless you are discussing which one would be a better RB or college option QB.
Yes, let’s completely ignore the fact that hurts has a significantly better supporting cast than Jones does.
But we know how you hate when facts get in the way of your narrative…
He does? Who?
"...without dispute..." What?
The Eagles have played one more game than the Giants and have one more win. The 2 players' passing statistics are almost identical.
Hurts, as others have pointed out, is playing behind a very good Oline with a tremendous running game but the simple offense has been exposed and today's defensive game plan by the Giants will be replicated for the remainder of the season by every Eagle's opponent.
Yeah, I dispute that Hurts has played better than Jones, unless you are discussing which one would be a better RB or college option QB.
Tremendous running game? You mean Hurts, right? Because he is the Eagles running game.
I can re-list the stats, but before today EVERY metric - TD/INT, total TDs, YPA, etc - were better than Jones.
Vikings brass couldn't believe it.
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The Eagles have a decent OL.
And let's discuss these supposed high end weapons that Hurts apparently has in - Sanders, Watkins, Smith, Reagor, Goedert. Such household names.
I mean, it's easy to mix them up with Fournette, Evans, Godwin, Brown and Gronkowski.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
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Overall. I don’t think Hurts is a bad pick he is just in the wrong role. Lamar is a more talented runner and definitely more skilled as a passer.
They both will never win a championship but Lamar gets a team much closer. This is Lamars last chance before he gets very expensive. I won’t be surprised if the Ravens try to trade him.
Pocket passers win championship. Terps builds regular season teams.
Terps would have chopped and changed the QB after Eli had an average season in 2006
Haha, yep. Everyone conveniently forgets Eli really struggled, even into the SB season. But terps lloved Eli, so that’s forgotten.
After all, this is a win now league. The fact that Jones has had complete chicken shit to deal with doesn’t factor in. He sucks because terps says so!
I don't think Jones is the answer though, but I don't want to draft any of these QBs because I'm not convinced any of them is a franchise guy (or even substantially better than Hurts). It's telling that the Lions have the top pick and need a QB but not a single mock draft shows them picking one
Lions have Goff which they traded Stafford for. They also let Golladay walk. They have 30 mil of cap space. The giants have hardly any. Lions are clearly not in win now mode but rebuild mode. Giants look alot like the rams despite big free agent signings.
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It is quite amusing that posters are finding solace in our lottery pick playing less worse than the Eagles project QB today.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
Then what the heck is Jones then ? An arena league QB? This guy sucks and I agree Hurts is the better qb. He is clearly a better runner who can take much more physical punishment and Jones looks to be a limited passer as well. Hurts is in his 15th start and coming off a 3 TD game. When this team wins it's not because of Jones he is basically a ride along
2. Terms was 100% correct that the Eagles got better value for him than we did for Jones.
Both things are true. Rather than waiting for QB to be a desperate need requiring a high 1st round pick telegraphed to other teams, the Eagles were proactive, surprised everyone, and took a QB when they already had one.
He might not turn out to be a true franchise QB (or he still might), but that is a significantly better expenditure of draft capital.
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The Eagles have a decent OL.
And let's discuss these supposed high end weapons that Hurts apparently has in - Sanders, Watkins, Smith, Reagor, Goedert. Such household names.
I mean, it's easy to mix them up with Fournette, Evans, Godwin, Brown and Gronkowski.
This is a terrible take. The Eagles stars are the guys in the trenches, probably two HOFers in Johnson and Kelce. The other three guys aren’t great pass blockers but they are all great run blockers. And, of course, They just paid money to Goeddert like he is one of the best tight ends in football.
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It is quite amusing that posters are finding solace in our lottery pick playing less worse than the Eagles project QB today.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
Let me dummy this down one last time - I DON'T like Hurts as a QB. I'm just able to set aside emotion, analyze measurables, and conclude that Hurts is having a better year than Jones.
2. Terms was 100% correct that the Eagles got better value for him than we did for Jones.
Both things are true. Rather than waiting for QB to be a desperate need requiring a high 1st round pick telegraphed to other teams, the Eagles were proactive, surprised everyone, and took a QB when they already had one.
He might not turn out to be a true franchise QB (or he still might), but that is a significantly better expenditure of draft capital.
Why is it great value to draft a non franchise QB in second round? If you move on from him this off season now you have a second rounder not contributing? Anyway, the point of drafting a QB is to have them be a franchise QB. And if they drafted Hurts in the first round it wouldn’t have been great value? So what do you call their first round pick Reagor. Either the guy fits your football puzzle or he doesn’t. A franchise QB is a great value anywhere from first to last! If you don’t hit a franchise QB what’s the point of the pick—to lose to the 3-7 Giants 13-7?
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It is quite amusing that posters are finding solace in our lottery pick playing less worse than the Eagles project QB today.
Keep clinging to your failed take...Hurts is not an NFL QB and the Eagles will be moving on by season's end.
Let me dummy this down one last time - I DON'T like Hurts as a QB. I'm just able to set aside emotion, analyze measurables, and conclude that Hurts is having a better year than Jones.
He is, but let’s dummy this down? Why is he having a better year? Isn’t it because he has an offensive line that allows him to utilize his limited (for a QB) but immense talent (in running).
I don't think it was a desperate need however. Not unless oyu were Shurmur and Gettle looking for wins and excuses why this team was terrrible. Not to mention the need to play bigshot GM at the age of 70 which I am sure he wanted a lot sooner.