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NFT: Mets have offered Scherzer $40 mil+

CMicks3110 : 11/28/2021 8:34 pm
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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18m
Sources: Mets have offered Scherzer more than $40 million per year. Length unknown. Doesn’t mean he’ll sign there; that’s still unclear.
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Ain’t happening  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 8:41 pm : link
And I don’t want a player that doesn’t want to be here.
they offered Bauer $110m no reason to think they won't go higher here  
Eric on Li : 11/28/2021 8:42 pm : link
I think they have a chance in this but right now this is feeling very much like leaking the top offer to get any other offers out there up. Fingers crossed this time around goes better.
Reports  
five5 : 11/28/2021 8:47 pm : link
That they might be willing to go 4 years…
And it will end up being an albatross  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 8:51 pm : link
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I guess worthy of another thread on Mets??  
moze1021 : 11/28/2021 9:08 pm : link
Active discussion on another but ok...

Problem now is Gausman just signed with Toronto. Mets are in trouble if they miss on Scherzer.

If no Max, then I hope they can mend bridge with Stroman, sign Baez, Gray, and then trade for another starter with McNeil...
RE: Reports  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 9:09 pm : link
In comment 15471265 five5 said:
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That they might be willing to go 4 years…


Yeah, I have always thought that's what it would take.

They are going to have to give Degrom 5 years when he opts out at the end of 2022.

Might as well go for it with both guys and then have a year or two when you suck with 80 million on the DL. Red Sox model.
Did Cohen get outbid for Gausman? LOL  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 9:12 pm : link
So, no Gausman and likely no Scherzer. So we’ll have to overpay for the headcase that is Stroman?

This off-season just continues to be a disaster.
Gausman signed with Toronto  
Earl the goat : 11/28/2021 9:13 pm : link
5 years 110
Mets missed out with Gausman  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 9:14 pm : link
5/110 is a good deal

I think Cohen always wants to go for the biggest fish. If Scherzer signs elsewhere, they will have misplayed their hand once again.

I think they should sign the second pitcher right away. Don't put all your eggs in the Scherzer basket
RE: Mets missed out with Gausman  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 9:16 pm : link
In comment 15471314 Vanzetti said:
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5/110 is a good deal

I think Cohen always wants to go for the biggest fish. If Scherzer signs elsewhere, they will have misplayed their hand once again.

I think they should sign the second pitcher right away. Don't put all your eggs in the Scherzer basket


Especially when that player is on record with NOT wanting to play here.
RE: Mets missed out with Gausman  
KDavies : 11/28/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15471314 Vanzetti said:
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5/110 is a good deal

I think Cohen always wants to go for the biggest fish. If Scherzer signs elsewhere, they will have misplayed their hand once again.

I think they should sign the second pitcher right away. Don't put all your eggs in the Scherzer basket


Agreed they should have been in on this. That is a real good deal and Mets could have easily beat that.
RE: Did Cohen get outbid for Gausman? LOL  
moze1021 : 11/28/2021 9:27 pm : link
In comment 15471310 CooperDash said:
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So, no Gausman and likely no Scherzer. So we’ll have to overpay for the headcase that is Stroman?

This off-season just continues to be a disaster.


No he did not get outbid.

Disaster?? Did you miss Friday?
Guasman's contract was a steal.  
ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 9:31 pm : link
F it. Give Sherzer 4/160 lol.
It'll be really hard to defend sitting on their hands for Scherzer  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/28/2021 9:31 pm : link
When he doesn't even want to be here.
Some guys are scared of NY  
moze1021 : 11/28/2021 9:32 pm : link
Some aren't...Gausman seemed to be scared.

If not Scherzer then get Stro, Gray, Baez with the money...
RE: It'll be really hard to defend sitting on their hands for Scherzer  
moze1021 : 11/28/2021 9:33 pm : link
In comment 15471342 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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When he doesn't even want to be here.


Reports are they had higher deal on table to Gausman
I don't think they misplayed  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 9:33 pm : link
anything.

Scherzer should have been the target all along.

Gausman is NOT a pivot from Scherzer. Gausman is a #3 with #2 upside.

that is settling. it's what the Mets used to do.

Instead of ponying up the cash for Holliday they sign Jason Bay type shit.

The Mets should go all in on Scherzer and if he decides to go elsewhere then he does - they made their play for him is what matters. it's that simple.

but Gausman, in my world, could have been signed in addition to Scherzer not as a pivot from him.

A pivot from a faux Scherzer chase to Gausman was the Wilpons play book.

RE: RE: Did Cohen get outbid for Gausman? LOL  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 9:36 pm : link
In comment 15471336 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15471310 CooperDash said:


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So, no Gausman and likely no Scherzer. So we’ll have to overpay for the headcase that is Stroman?

This off-season just continues to be a disaster.



No he did not get outbid.

Disaster?? Did you miss Friday?


Friday’s frenzy of second tier players? Yeah, I caught that. Hard to see how that moves the needle. We need pitching.

If he didn’t get outbid, then do you have details on what happened?
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pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 9:36 pm : link
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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5m
The Mets offered Kevin Gausman more than the 5/$110 million he accepted in Toronto, per source.
Yikes  
ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 9:37 pm : link


Andy Martino
@martinonyc
The Mets offered Kevin Gausman more than the 5/$110 million he accepted in Toronto, per source.
Lol, so this is where we are at.  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 9:39 pm : link
Players would rather go to Canada for less money than to play for the Mets. It’s just comical at this point.
Turning down the Mets has become a thing  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 9:40 pm : link
Whether it's Cohen, Sandy or whatever.

Mets need to make a killer signing and put a stop to it.
RE: Lol, so this is where we are at.  
moze1021 : 11/28/2021 9:41 pm : link
In comment 15471357 CooperDash said:
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Players would rather go to Canada for less money than to play for the Mets. It’s just comical at this point.


Dude.. the New York Mets are willing to spend money with anyone.. how are you not happy about that??

They went into the season last year with best roster on paper in NL.. and it didn't work out..

Now they are working to retool it and spending A LOT of money.

You should be excited...
not everyone wants to play in NY  
KDavies : 11/28/2021 9:43 pm : link
Mets made the offer. He went elsewhere. Get over it
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ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 9:44 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
The #Mets have made Max Scherzer a multiyear offer at $40 million per season, source confirms. In some versions discussed, total value would be $120 million over 3 years.
@martinonyc
was first to report $40MM figure per annum.
@MLBNetwork

@MLB
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pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 9:44 pm : link
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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2m
The #Mets have made Max Scherzer a multiyear offer at $40 million per season, source confirms. In some versions discussed, total value would be $120 million over 3 years. @martinonyc
was first to report $40MM figure per annum. @MLBNetwork
@MLB
RE: Lol, so this is where we are at.  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 9:45 pm : link
In comment 15471357 CooperDash said:
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Players would rather go to Canada for less money than to play for the Mets. It’s just comical at this point.


If he doesn't mind high taxes, you think he would have stayed in California, where the weather is nicer.
As long as deGrom remains injury free  
moespree : 11/28/2021 9:45 pm : link
He is going to earn an absolute fortune next offseason. He'll be 34 so a 5+ year deal is likely not out of the question based on the precedents being set. Probably $40-$50m a season.
RE: .  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 9:46 pm : link
In comment 15471369 pjcas18 said:
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Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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2m
The #Mets have made Max Scherzer a multiyear offer at $40 million per season, source confirms. In some versions discussed, total value would be $120 million over 3 years. @martinonyc
was first to report $40MM figure per annum. @MLBNetwork
@MLB


Just go four years and get it done.
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pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 9:49 pm : link
FOX Sports: MLB
@MLBONFOX
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1m
The Texas Rangers are signing Jon Gray to a 4-year deal, per @JeffPassan
Nightengale  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 9:49 pm : link
says Scherzer never said he did not want to go to Mets
Nightengale - ( New Window )
I think we are gonna be more jealous of Jon Gray’s deal than Gausman  
Eric on Li : 11/28/2021 9:51 pm : link
Also kind of interesting Stroman hasn’t gotten signed yet with all these other pitchers in demand. If he was a GM I know who he’d pick.

Really hope they get Scherzer done but if they don’t remember the money is still there. Rodon + whoever else isn’t the end of the world. Everyone other than Scherzer is a dice roll.
RE: RE: Lol, so this is where we are at.  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 9:52 pm : link
In comment 15471362 moze1021 said:
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In comment 15471357 CooperDash said:


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Players would rather go to Canada for less money than to play for the Mets. It’s just comical at this point.



Dude.. the New York Mets are willing to spend money with anyone.. how are you not happy about that??

They went into the season last year with best roster on paper in NL.. and it didn't work out..

Now they are working to retool it and spending A LOT of money.

You should be excited...


Yeah, I was excited. But now that it’s trendy to turn down the Mets huge offers…what exactly is all this money getting us? Backup players? Please.

I’m confident that our offense…as currently constructed…will get back in track after last year. Our huge gaping hole was, and is, pitching.

And can we PLEASE stop saying how great we are ON PAPER? I’m still waiting for the team to actually back up that statement that we hear every single off-season from fans.
in June last year boras wanted an extension w any trade  
Eric on Li : 11/28/2021 9:54 pm : link
Since scherzer had the right to veto. As it got close to the deadline I think there was more likely hesitation from Washington wanting to trade him within the division and for him more appeal to the teams with the better chance for WS.

But boras put his cards out there in June - he was looking to leverage an extension with any trade. The $ matters here (hopefully more than jt did last year with Bauer).
RE: Nightengale  
CooperDash : 11/28/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15471381 Vanzetti said:
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says Scherzer never said he did not want to go to Mets Nightengale - ( New Window )


Not sure if I’m remembering correctly, but weren’t the Mets one of the teams listed in his NTC?
RE: RE: RE: Lol, so this is where we are at.  
moze1021 : 11/28/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15471390 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15471362 moze1021 said:


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In comment 15471357 CooperDash said:


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Players would rather go to Canada for less money than to play for the Mets. It’s just comical at this point.



Dude.. the New York Mets are willing to spend money with anyone.. how are you not happy about that??

They went into the season last year with best roster on paper in NL.. and it didn't work out..

Now they are working to retool it and spending A LOT of money.

You should be excited...



Yeah, I was excited. But now that it’s trendy to turn down the Mets huge offers…what exactly is all this money getting us? Backup players? Please.

I’m confident that our offense…as currently constructed…will get back in track after last year. Our huge gaping hole was, and is, pitching.

And can we PLEASE stop saying how great we are ON PAPER? I’m still waiting for the team to actually back up that statement that we hear every single off-season from fans.


Every single off-season?? This is off-season #2 in the Cohen era!!

We all had plenty to complain about in Wilpon era...because they would never spend, even on their own guys!! Never once went over luxury tax threshold...Cohen did it in year 2!!

Scherzer or not I'm so excited about being a Mets fan.. the Wilpon era is behind us, screw the pundits who try to make it seem like everything the Mets do is bad..it's just NY
RE: RE: Nightengale  
Eric on Li : 11/28/2021 9:55 pm : link
In comment 15471396 CooperDash said:
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In comment 15471381 Vanzetti said:


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says Scherzer never said he did not want to go to Mets Nightengale - ( New Window )



Not sure if I’m remembering correctly, but weren’t the Mets one of the teams listed in his NTC?


He was 10/5.
According to Nightengale  
Vanzetti : 11/28/2021 10:02 pm : link
Scherzer said he would only accept a trade to an NL team. Never said anything about the Mets. Nats did not want to trade him in the division so that basically left only a few teams so they sent him to the Dodgers in a mega deal.

Not sure I completely buy it but worth remembering that as fans we get everything at second hand and a lot of what we get is hearsay.

Gausman, Gray off the table.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/28/2021 10:07 pm : link
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CMicks3110 : 11/28/2021 10:10 pm : link
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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23s
Mets seem heartened and hopeful about the prospects of landing Max Scherzer. Dodgers pessimistic, at least at the moment.
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CMicks3110 : 11/28/2021 10:13 pm : link
Adam Rubin
@AdamRubinMedia
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2m
Big gift coming for Mets fans …
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CMicks3110 : 11/28/2021 10:14 pm : link
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
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19s
The #Mets are making progress with Max Scherzer. Have not heard it is final. Deal might be for as much as 4 years if it gets done.
Who's left that is a legitimate #2, #3?  
Dennis : 11/28/2021 10:14 pm : link
I feel pretty discouraged after losing out on:
Matz
Syndergaard
Gausman
Gray
Who is left as a #2, #3? I know Strohman is, and I'm not thrilled about him.
Ugh this definitely feels like  
ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 10:15 pm : link
Bauer 2.0.

Guess we'll see!
Even if The Mets get Scherzer, they're still going to need a #3  
Dennis : 11/28/2021 10:17 pm : link
Who's available?
Who do you want?
Strohman?
???
I really feel if we ink Sherzer  
ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 10:17 pm : link
The rotation does NOT necessarily need another big starting pitcher. deGrom-Sherzer-Carrasco-Walker is the top 4. You then have Williams, Megill, Peterson, Yamamoto, and Lucchesi later competing for the 5.

Idd add a guy like Hill or maybe another #5 type but we certainly wont be desperate for more pitching assuming we do ink Sherzer IMO.
Adam Rubin  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 10:19 pm : link
sighting. Miss his Mets coverage.
RE: I really feel if we ink Sherzer  
pjcas18 : 11/28/2021 10:21 pm : link
In comment 15471448 ZGiants98 said:
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The rotation does NOT necessarily need another big starting pitcher. deGrom-Sherzer-Carrasco-Walker is the top 4. You then have Williams, Megill, Peterson, Yamamoto, and Lucchesi later competing for the 5.

Idd add a guy like Hill or maybe another #5 type but we certainly wont be desperate for more pitching assuming we do ink Sherzer IMO.


agree with this, but....I'd definitely be more interested with deGrom and Scherzer heading a rotation in a trade for someone like Mahle.

Take your strength and protect it. that's how you use your farm IMO.

Not to get someone like Baez in a likely lost year/Hail Mary.
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ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 10:21 pm : link
Doug Rush
@TheDougRush
UPDATE: The Mets and Max Scherzer are “gaining traction” on a deal getting done. The Dodgers are not optimistic on keeping him. Steve Cohen and Billy Eppler are working to get it done.
RE: RE: I really feel if we ink Sherzer  
ZGiants98 : 11/28/2021 10:23 pm : link
In comment 15471458 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15471448 ZGiants98 said:


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The rotation does NOT necessarily need another big starting pitcher. deGrom-Sherzer-Carrasco-Walker is the top 4. You then have Williams, Megill, Peterson, Yamamoto, and Lucchesi later competing for the 5.

Idd add a guy like Hill or maybe another #5 type but we certainly wont be desperate for more pitching assuming we do ink Sherzer IMO.



agree with this, but....I'd definitely be more interested with deGrom and Scherzer heading a rotation in a trade for someone like Mahle.

Take your strength and protect it. that's how you use your farm IMO.

Not to get someone like Baez in a likely lost year/Hail Mary.


And Id be fine with that... But people acting like we should be desperate for more pitching, even after signing Sherzer.... ugh... We actually have a bunch of decent backend depth stashed away.
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