Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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18m
Sources: Mets have offered Scherzer more than $40 million per year. Length unknown. Doesn’t mean he’ll sign there; that’s still unclear.
"At that time, Scherzer was dealing with a variety of small injuries that left him wanting to pitch in warm weather to keep his body as loose as possible and minimize the risk of turning sore spots into real concerns."
guess is Scherzer said he wanted to go somewhere warm, and the Nats weren't going to trade him to the Mets/Braves so both sides were on the same page but for different reasons.
RE: interesting that the not going to NY thing came from the Nats
that makes sense and kind of funny how the geography rumor snowballed given that his family being on the east coast ended up working in the mets favor.
Only about halfway through but Scherzer sounds extremely thoughtful and the exact right kind of guy this clubhouse needed (talent aside). Also great to hear that Escobar has such a strong reputation.
Thought Eppler's intro was really great talking about the value of all the ingredients that Scherzer has behind the scenes that lead to his success.
huge day in the history of this franchise. next year could be a bust like any year. but unlike any year they now have a path to seriously competing for a world series.
+1. totally agree, Eric, with everything you stated. Like you, I was interested to read what Scherzer said about Escobar also. Sounds like Escobar must be a good guy. I think The Mets did pretty well for themselves.
that makes sense and kind of funny how the geography rumor snowballed given that his family being on the east coast ended up working in the mets favor.
Only about halfway through but Scherzer sounds extremely thoughtful and the exact right kind of guy this clubhouse needed (talent aside). Also great to hear that Escobar has such a strong reputation.
Thought Eppler's intro was really great talking about the value of all the ingredients that Scherzer has behind the scenes that lead to his success.
huge day in the history of this franchise. next year could be a bust like any year. but unlike any year they now have a path to seriously competing for a world series.
+1. totally agree, Eric, with everything you stated. Like you, I was interested to read what Scherzer said about Escobar also. Sounds like Escobar must be a good guy. I think The Mets did pretty well for themselves.
In fairness, Scherzer noted he didn't know Escobar, he said he trusted what ex-Met (briefly) Brian Dozier said about him. I'm not in any way doubting Escobar is a good guy/teammate just clarifying Scherzer himself wasn't vouching for him.
"At that time, Scherzer was dealing with a variety of small injuries that left him wanting to pitch in warm weather to keep his body as loose as possible and minimize the risk of turning sore spots into real concerns."
it's possible but that seems like a less significant reason than the LAD just being in a better position to potentially win a WS as the defending champs. Temperature wise NY is more volatile but having lived in both LA isn't dramatically warmer and probably consistently cooler in the evenings because it's dry.
what I heard from Scherzer, though I do think he was part of the decision to go to the Dodgers vs. the NL East. Chelsea Janes covered the Nationals 2014-2018 and was close (and very high) on Scherzer as a person but she flat out said speaking to him that he thought his aches and pains (non-arm) would be better suited somewhere that wasn't cold (headed into FA).
+1. Me too, Dan. I'm very impressed with Scherzer, the person. To me, that's more important than anything else.
I understand this is a sports website, and we're discussing athletes, but to me, there is a wider world that is more important than just one aspect of someone's life.
RE: RE: RE: interesting that the not going to NY thing came from the Nats
that makes sense and kind of funny how the geography rumor snowballed given that his family being on the east coast ended up working in the mets favor.
Only about halfway through but Scherzer sounds extremely thoughtful and the exact right kind of guy this clubhouse needed (talent aside). Also great to hear that Escobar has such a strong reputation.
Thought Eppler's intro was really great talking about the value of all the ingredients that Scherzer has behind the scenes that lead to his success.
huge day in the history of this franchise. next year could be a bust like any year. but unlike any year they now have a path to seriously competing for a world series.
+1. totally agree, Eric, with everything you stated. Like you, I was interested to read what Scherzer said about Escobar also. Sounds like Escobar must be a good guy. I think The Mets did pretty well for themselves.
In fairness, Scherzer noted he didn't know Escobar, he said he trusted what ex-Met (briefly) Brian Dozier said about him. I'm not in any way doubting Escobar is a good guy/teammate just clarifying Scherzer himself wasn't vouching for him.
Yes, you're right, Dan. Thanks for the clarification.
I think my fav comment is Eppler's about doubling down on leadership
how it's not a question of being deficient or having enough but always doubling down and building more strength.
how many times in the last 10, 20, 30 years has this franchise "had enough" of 1 thing or another and not added more only to end up in short supply of what they thought they had enough of? literally happened this year with what Zack called a "special clubhouse" that simply...wasn't.
usually by the time you realize you dont have enough of something it's too late. So love the idea of constantly doubling down and adding value. Nothing is ever stable so you are either getting better or getting worse.
Also aside from the team I really liked Scherzer's comments on the PA and making the game better. Understanding how he got his contracts because of the ones signed before the ones he's signed. Just seems like a guy who really gets it.
name I'm curious about as a potential manager (hold off on the "I don't want a first time manager") simply names that haven't been one...Don Kelly sounds like a very interesting candidate. FO experience, recently an explayer, went from player in 2016, to scout 2017, 1b coach, then bench coach... quite the quick rise.
the Escobar comment is less relevant to Scherzer but his general rep
pro athletes are no different than us - as with any job opportunity the first thing you do if you can is ask someone you know who has experience there. Escobar seems to be a guy people think highly of.
how it's not a question of being deficient or having enough but always doubling down and building more strength.
how many times in the last 10, 20, 30 years has this franchise "had enough" of 1 thing or another and not added more only to end up in short supply of what they thought they had enough of? literally happened this year with what Zack called a "special clubhouse" that simply...wasn't.
usually by the time you realize you dont have enough of something it's too late. So love the idea of constantly doubling down and adding value. Nothing is ever stable so you are either getting better or getting worse.
Also aside from the team I really liked Scherzer's comments on the PA and making the game better. Understanding how he got his contracts because of the ones signed before the ones he's signed. Just seems like a guy who really gets it.
Eric, I think what you wrote is so interesting.
"you are either getting better or getting worse."
2nd law of thermodynamics (see below link).
"as energy is transferred or transformed, more and more of it is wasted."
As you noted, doubling down and adding value is crucial.
his thought process and the level of detail he went through thinking about why his body didn't respond the way he thought it would is why he's world class.
Jon Morosi
@jonmorosi
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RE: hearing Scherzer's post-mortem re the dead arm is facsinating
his thought process and the level of detail he went through thinking about why his body didn't respond the way he thought it would is why he's world class.
His claims don't REALLY hold up as he apparently was allowed to throw 92+ pitches in all but 2 starts, 1 he got hurt and the other was impacted by a rain delay.
and he has the added benefit of having come from a division rival, but I am still skeptical they will pull the trigger on him.
I have my doubts as well but I think he'd be a home run. Success in Texas, coaching with 2 well regarded/winning franchises (Oakland/Atl) and players absolutely love him (despite not being a pushover). Hate to make the comparison because it's not based on race but the same way the players love Dusty Baker but he also is a hardass.
in the Nationals games, he exceeded 100 pitches 11 times. In the 11 games with the Dodgers, he exceeded 100 pitches 5 times (and as you mentioned, it may be more if those weren't effected). His high for both clubs was 109 pitches. Yeah, I don't see much of a difference there.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
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2m
Mets president Sandy Alderson and Mets GM Billy Eppler will introduce Starling Marte, Eduardo Escobar and Mark Canha via Zoom today at 6:00 pm.
RE: Scherzer had 19 starts with the Nationals, 11 with the Dodgers
in the Nationals games, he exceeded 100 pitches 11 times. In the 11 games with the Dodgers, he exceeded 100 pitches 5 times (and as you mentioned, it may be more if those weren't effected). His high for both clubs was 109 pitches. Yeah, I don't see much of a difference there.
Quite frankly, it doesn't even really matter what Scherzer "thinks" in regard to this. The numbers show he wasn't babied by the Dodgers, and it likely wasn't the cause of his dead arm. The massive innings increase (because #2020) more likely was the cause. He's a mad dog competitor and never wants to leave the game so maybe a specific start sticks in his mind or the Nats completely allowed him to do his own thing in preparation but when it comes to actual pitch totals, it's not really an "opinion" thing. The data says both Nats/Dodgers essentially allowed the same pitch counts.
Jeff Passan
@JeffPassan
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Superutilityman Chris Taylor and the Los Angeles Dodgers are making progress on a deal, sources familiar with the situation tell ESPN. It’s expected to be completed today.
in the Nationals games, he exceeded 100 pitches 11 times. In the 11 games with the Dodgers, he exceeded 100 pitches 5 times (and as you mentioned, it may be more if those weren't effected). His high for both clubs was 109 pitches. Yeah, I don't see much of a difference there.
Quite frankly, it doesn't even really matter what Scherzer "thinks" in regard to this. The numbers show he wasn't babied by the Dodgers, and it likely wasn't the cause of his dead arm. The massive innings increase (because #2020) more likely was the cause. He's a mad dog competitor and never wants to leave the game so maybe a specific start sticks in his mind or the Nats completely allowed him to do his own thing in preparation but when it comes to actual pitch totals, it's not really an "opinion" thing. The data says both Nats/Dodgers essentially allowed the same pitch counts.
i'm surprised he'd make the comment with that being the case. a little odd but maybe there's more to it than we know. maybe LAD were pushing him to rest over the last month and he didn't want to, but there were small accommodations he made but didn't agree with?
ex. his starts on 9/6 and 9/12 he had pitched 8 innings without allowing earned runs but wasn't allowed to finish either game. On 9/12 in particular he had 92 pitches and was on a 1 hitter with 0 walks and up 8-0.
Also not sure if this was impacted by rain delays but he had several starts in Sept 6 days apart instead of 5.
9/6 + 9/12
9/12 + 9/18
9/23 + 2/29
I'd be a hypocrite if I said I didn't agree with the Dodgers trying to rest him though. Maybe there was a better way to do it strategically?
Also I guess we can throw out the 6 man rotation ideas lol.
in the Nationals games, he exceeded 100 pitches 11 times. In the 11 games with the Dodgers, he exceeded 100 pitches 5 times (and as you mentioned, it may be more if those weren't effected). His high for both clubs was 109 pitches. Yeah, I don't see much of a difference there.
Quite frankly, it doesn't even really matter what Scherzer "thinks" in regard to this. The numbers show he wasn't babied by the Dodgers, and it likely wasn't the cause of his dead arm. The massive innings increase (because #2020) more likely was the cause. He's a mad dog competitor and never wants to leave the game so maybe a specific start sticks in his mind or the Nats completely allowed him to do his own thing in preparation but when it comes to actual pitch totals, it's not really an "opinion" thing. The data says both Nats/Dodgers essentially allowed the same pitch counts.
i'm surprised he'd make the comment with that being the case. a little odd but maybe there's more to it than we know. maybe LAD were pushing him to rest over the last month and he didn't want to, but there were small accommodations he made but didn't agree with?
ex. his starts on 9/6 and 9/12 he had pitched 8 innings without allowing earned runs but wasn't allowed to finish either game. On 9/12 in particular he had 92 pitches and was on a 1 hitter with 0 walks and up 8-0.
Also not sure if this was impacted by rain delays but he had several starts in Sept 6 days apart instead of 5.
9/6 + 9/12
9/12 + 9/18
9/23 + 2/29
I'd be a hypocrite if I said I didn't agree with the Dodgers trying to rest him though. Maybe there was a better way to do it strategically?
Also I guess we can throw out the 6 man rotation ideas lol.
Mike Petriello
@mike_petriello
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3h
Not really buying Scherzer's argument that not letting him go deeper in reg season hurt him later.
He made 11 starts for LA. 9 times: 92+ pitches. Other two? Big rain delay; injured hammy.
I am *definitely* buying that Scherzer wants SP in general to be allowed to go deeper.
Mike Petriello
@mike_petriello
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3h
Also worth noting, I think that he's a 36 year old who had his innings jump from 67.1 in 2020 to 179.1 in 2021.
But Max as a defender of all SP, totally get that, and have no problem with it.
"very much involved" per Eppler. I won't be debating Sandy any further now that there is a GM in place but it's clear Sandy is and always was going to remain a very active part of the baseball side. Quite possibly with a GM in place with the energy to do the day to day stuff that will end up being a great thing but it was always hard to believe and Eppler flat out confirmed it.
The Mets are really in a great position to work with the A's/Reds who in my view have 6 SP that could really help. The Mets have cost controlled MLBer's as well as the ability to take back "bad money" and yes, if need be some prospects that can be spared in the right deal
im a big believer that pitching is high risk and the more you pitch the more risk you take.
just saying the overall numbers are one thing but I no issue believing that the LAD may have had conversations with him about taking the foot off the gas in September. He very easily could have wanted to stay in games 1 inning longer.
aren't we the same people who in this thread were suggesting a 6 man rotation for all next year to keep him fresh? it stands to reason he has heard all sorts of people (LAD included) suggest stuff like that and disagreed with it.
im a big believer that pitching is high risk and the more you pitch the more risk you take.
just saying the overall numbers are one thing but I no issue believing that the LAD may have had conversations with him about taking the foot off the gas in September. He very easily could have wanted to stay in games 1 inning longer.
aren't we the same people who in this thread were suggesting a 6 man rotation for all next year to keep him fresh? it stands to reason he has heard all sorts of people (LAD included) suggest stuff like that and disagreed with it.
Because he's known as an absolute maniac of a competitor known to scream into his glove in the dug out INNINGS after being pulled. His velocity was in fact down towards the end of the season and none of his pitch counts suggest they were using him significantly less. He had a dead arm, easier to blame something like "I wanted to throw more" than "I'm 36 and I threw a LOT more innings in 2021".
FIP was 1.96 with LAD, 3.60 with Washington. So who used him better? It just doesn't compute. He was BETTER with the Dodgers. If the idea was they were trying to rest him a little more.. it worked. His better pitching and "less pitches" (again, doesn't show up at all in the pitch counts) = why he had a dead arm? Doesn't make any sense.
Because he's known as an absolute maniac of a competitor known to scream into his glove in the dug out INNINGS after being pulled. His velocity was in fact down towards the end of the season and none of his pitch counts suggest they were using him significantly less. He had a dead arm, easier to blame something like "I wanted to throw more" than "I'm 36 and I threw a LOT more innings in 2021".
no disagreement but he could be right. it's chicken or the egg. he blames not throwing as much, we'd probably say it was just age + workload.
what i like about the story is less what happened but more that whatever happened he's still clearly bothered by it and obsessed enough to want to find out why and what he could have done differently. Marcus Stroman only has that level of obsession with twitter.
genuinely don't care about twitter antics (or even jerky players) but yeah, Stroman took it to the next level. (Even then I still happily would have taken him back) but he's hyper sensitive.
Evan Drellich
@EvanDrellich
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42m
Some details: MLB offered to raise 1st luxury tax tier to $214m, peaking at $220m
MLBPA free agency proposal:
Year 1 of deal, no change, 6 years service to become FA
Years 2-3: 6 years—or if age 30 1/2 & 5 years of service
Years 4-5: 6 years—or if age 29 1/2 & 5 years service
genuinely don't care about twitter antics (or even jerky players) but yeah, Stroman took it to the next level. (Even then I still happily would have taken him back) but he's hyper sensitive.
this is a guess based mostly on his opt out and his comments in the last few weeks, but i think he is the antithesis of Scherzer.
Scherzer talked about the guys who set precedents before him that helped him get his contract.
Stroman has put down just about every other FA SP to prove that he's better and should get more. Including Thor, Gausman, and Matz who I believe were all his teammates at one time or another!
Scherzer has pitched through a million injuries and was willing to try coming out of the BP for LAD.
Stroman opted out because he pulled his calf and didn't want to injure himself further ahead of FA.
The decision to bring Stroman back isn't a contest between him and Scherzer but I think I'd just move on. Those types of things aren't lost on anyone in the clubhouse.
Don’t actually believe Stroman is even on the Mets radar. I’m just saying if he were back I’d be happy to have him as the #3. They have plenty of options out there however
Only about halfway through but Scherzer sounds extremely thoughtful and the exact right kind of guy this clubhouse needed (talent aside). Also great to hear that Escobar has such a strong reputation.
Thought Eppler's intro was really great talking about the value of all the ingredients that Scherzer has behind the scenes that lead to his success.
huge day in the history of this franchise. next year could be a bust like any year. but unlike any year they now have a path to seriously competing for a world series.
+1. totally agree, Eric, with everything you stated. Like you, I was interested to read what Scherzer said about Escobar also. Sounds like Escobar must be a good guy. I think The Mets did pretty well for themselves.
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that makes sense and kind of funny how the geography rumor snowballed given that his family being on the east coast ended up working in the mets favor.
Only about halfway through but Scherzer sounds extremely thoughtful and the exact right kind of guy this clubhouse needed (talent aside). Also great to hear that Escobar has such a strong reputation.
Thought Eppler's intro was really great talking about the value of all the ingredients that Scherzer has behind the scenes that lead to his success.
huge day in the history of this franchise. next year could be a bust like any year. but unlike any year they now have a path to seriously competing for a world series.
+1. totally agree, Eric, with everything you stated. Like you, I was interested to read what Scherzer said about Escobar also. Sounds like Escobar must be a good guy. I think The Mets did pretty well for themselves.
In fairness, Scherzer noted he didn't know Escobar, he said he trusted what ex-Met (briefly) Brian Dozier said about him. I'm not in any way doubting Escobar is a good guy/teammate just clarifying Scherzer himself wasn't vouching for him.
it's possible but that seems like a less significant reason than the LAD just being in a better position to potentially win a WS as the defending champs. Temperature wise NY is more volatile but having lived in both LA isn't dramatically warmer and probably consistently cooler in the evenings because it's dry.
+1. Me too, Dan. I'm very impressed with Scherzer, the person. To me, that's more important than anything else.
I understand this is a sports website, and we're discussing athletes, but to me, there is a wider world that is more important than just one aspect of someone's life.
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that makes sense and kind of funny how the geography rumor snowballed given that his family being on the east coast ended up working in the mets favor.
Only about halfway through but Scherzer sounds extremely thoughtful and the exact right kind of guy this clubhouse needed (talent aside). Also great to hear that Escobar has such a strong reputation.
Thought Eppler's intro was really great talking about the value of all the ingredients that Scherzer has behind the scenes that lead to his success.
huge day in the history of this franchise. next year could be a bust like any year. but unlike any year they now have a path to seriously competing for a world series.
+1. totally agree, Eric, with everything you stated. Like you, I was interested to read what Scherzer said about Escobar also. Sounds like Escobar must be a good guy. I think The Mets did pretty well for themselves.
In fairness, Scherzer noted he didn't know Escobar, he said he trusted what ex-Met (briefly) Brian Dozier said about him. I'm not in any way doubting Escobar is a good guy/teammate just clarifying Scherzer himself wasn't vouching for him.
Yes, you're right, Dan. Thanks for the clarification.
how many times in the last 10, 20, 30 years has this franchise "had enough" of 1 thing or another and not added more only to end up in short supply of what they thought they had enough of? literally happened this year with what Zack called a "special clubhouse" that simply...wasn't.
usually by the time you realize you dont have enough of something it's too late. So love the idea of constantly doubling down and adding value. Nothing is ever stable so you are either getting better or getting worse.
Also aside from the team I really liked Scherzer's comments on the PA and making the game better. Understanding how he got his contracts because of the ones signed before the ones he's signed. Just seems like a guy who really gets it.
how many times in the last 10, 20, 30 years has this franchise "had enough" of 1 thing or another and not added more only to end up in short supply of what they thought they had enough of? literally happened this year with what Zack called a "special clubhouse" that simply...wasn't.
usually by the time you realize you dont have enough of something it's too late. So love the idea of constantly doubling down and adding value. Nothing is ever stable so you are either getting better or getting worse.
Also aside from the team I really liked Scherzer's comments on the PA and making the game better. Understanding how he got his contracts because of the ones signed before the ones he's signed. Just seems like a guy who really gets it.
Eric, I think what you wrote is so interesting.
"you are either getting better or getting worse."
2nd law of thermodynamics (see below link).
"as energy is transferred or transformed, more and more of it is wasted."
As you noted, doubling down and adding value is crucial.
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@jonmorosi
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His claims don't REALLY hold up as he apparently was allowed to throw 92+ pitches in all but 2 starts, 1 he got hurt and the other was impacted by a rain delay.
I have my doubts as well but I think he'd be a home run. Success in Texas, coaching with 2 well regarded/winning franchises (Oakland/Atl) and players absolutely love him (despite not being a pushover). Hate to make the comparison because it's not based on race but the same way the players love Dusty Baker but he also is a hardass.
Michael Mayer
@mikemayer22
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Mets president Sandy Alderson and Mets GM Billy Eppler will introduce Starling Marte, Eduardo Escobar and Mark Canha via Zoom today at 6:00 pm.
Quite frankly, it doesn't even really matter what Scherzer "thinks" in regard to this. The numbers show he wasn't babied by the Dodgers, and it likely wasn't the cause of his dead arm. The massive innings increase (because #2020) more likely was the cause. He's a mad dog competitor and never wants to leave the game so maybe a specific start sticks in his mind or the Nats completely allowed him to do his own thing in preparation but when it comes to actual pitch totals, it's not really an "opinion" thing. The data says both Nats/Dodgers essentially allowed the same pitch counts.
@JeffPassan
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I love it. And I like that guy's twitter handle as well lol.
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in the Nationals games, he exceeded 100 pitches 11 times. In the 11 games with the Dodgers, he exceeded 100 pitches 5 times (and as you mentioned, it may be more if those weren't effected). His high for both clubs was 109 pitches. Yeah, I don't see much of a difference there.
Quite frankly, it doesn't even really matter what Scherzer "thinks" in regard to this. The numbers show he wasn't babied by the Dodgers, and it likely wasn't the cause of his dead arm. The massive innings increase (because #2020) more likely was the cause. He's a mad dog competitor and never wants to leave the game so maybe a specific start sticks in his mind or the Nats completely allowed him to do his own thing in preparation but when it comes to actual pitch totals, it's not really an "opinion" thing. The data says both Nats/Dodgers essentially allowed the same pitch counts.
i'm surprised he'd make the comment with that being the case. a little odd but maybe there's more to it than we know. maybe LAD were pushing him to rest over the last month and he didn't want to, but there were small accommodations he made but didn't agree with?
ex. his starts on 9/6 and 9/12 he had pitched 8 innings without allowing earned runs but wasn't allowed to finish either game. On 9/12 in particular he had 92 pitches and was on a 1 hitter with 0 walks and up 8-0.
Also not sure if this was impacted by rain delays but he had several starts in Sept 6 days apart instead of 5.
9/6 + 9/12
9/12 + 9/18
9/23 + 2/29
I'd be a hypocrite if I said I didn't agree with the Dodgers trying to rest him though. Maybe there was a better way to do it strategically?
Also I guess we can throw out the 6 man rotation ideas lol.
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I love it. And I like that guy's twitter handle as well lol.
+1.
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in the Nationals games, he exceeded 100 pitches 11 times. In the 11 games with the Dodgers, he exceeded 100 pitches 5 times (and as you mentioned, it may be more if those weren't effected). His high for both clubs was 109 pitches. Yeah, I don't see much of a difference there.
Quite frankly, it doesn't even really matter what Scherzer "thinks" in regard to this. The numbers show he wasn't babied by the Dodgers, and it likely wasn't the cause of his dead arm. The massive innings increase (because #2020) more likely was the cause. He's a mad dog competitor and never wants to leave the game so maybe a specific start sticks in his mind or the Nats completely allowed him to do his own thing in preparation but when it comes to actual pitch totals, it's not really an "opinion" thing. The data says both Nats/Dodgers essentially allowed the same pitch counts.
i'm surprised he'd make the comment with that being the case. a little odd but maybe there's more to it than we know. maybe LAD were pushing him to rest over the last month and he didn't want to, but there were small accommodations he made but didn't agree with?
ex. his starts on 9/6 and 9/12 he had pitched 8 innings without allowing earned runs but wasn't allowed to finish either game. On 9/12 in particular he had 92 pitches and was on a 1 hitter with 0 walks and up 8-0.
Also not sure if this was impacted by rain delays but he had several starts in Sept 6 days apart instead of 5.
9/6 + 9/12
9/12 + 9/18
9/23 + 2/29
I'd be a hypocrite if I said I didn't agree with the Dodgers trying to rest him though. Maybe there was a better way to do it strategically?
Also I guess we can throw out the 6 man rotation ideas lol.
Mike Petriello
@mike_petriello
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3h
Not really buying Scherzer's argument that not letting him go deeper in reg season hurt him later.
He made 11 starts for LA. 9 times: 92+ pitches. Other two? Big rain delay; injured hammy.
I am *definitely* buying that Scherzer wants SP in general to be allowed to go deeper.
Mike Petriello
@mike_petriello
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3h
Also worth noting, I think that he's a 36 year old who had his innings jump from 67.1 in 2020 to 179.1 in 2021.
But Max as a defender of all SP, totally get that, and have no problem with it.
just saying the overall numbers are one thing but I no issue believing that the LAD may have had conversations with him about taking the foot off the gas in September. He very easily could have wanted to stay in games 1 inning longer.
aren't we the same people who in this thread were suggesting a 6 man rotation for all next year to keep him fresh? it stands to reason he has heard all sorts of people (LAD included) suggest stuff like that and disagreed with it.
just saying the overall numbers are one thing but I no issue believing that the LAD may have had conversations with him about taking the foot off the gas in September. He very easily could have wanted to stay in games 1 inning longer.
aren't we the same people who in this thread were suggesting a 6 man rotation for all next year to keep him fresh? it stands to reason he has heard all sorts of people (LAD included) suggest stuff like that and disagreed with it.
Because he's known as an absolute maniac of a competitor known to scream into his glove in the dug out INNINGS after being pulled. His velocity was in fact down towards the end of the season and none of his pitch counts suggest they were using him significantly less. He had a dead arm, easier to blame something like "I wanted to throw more" than "I'm 36 and I threw a LOT more innings in 2021".
Because he's known as an absolute maniac of a competitor known to scream into his glove in the dug out INNINGS after being pulled. His velocity was in fact down towards the end of the season and none of his pitch counts suggest they were using him significantly less. He had a dead arm, easier to blame something like "I wanted to throw more" than "I'm 36 and I threw a LOT more innings in 2021".
no disagreement but he could be right. it's chicken or the egg. he blames not throwing as much, we'd probably say it was just age + workload.
what i like about the story is less what happened but more that whatever happened he's still clearly bothered by it and obsessed enough to want to find out why and what he could have done differently. Marcus Stroman only has that level of obsession with twitter.
Jon Heyman
@JonHeyman
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Javier Baez
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$140M/6
$20M - 2022
$22M - 2023
$25M - 2024
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$24M - 2027
opt out after 2023
2022-2023: $1M for MVP, 100K for Hank Aaron. 2024-2027: $2M for MVP, $250K for Hank Aaron. $1M for MVP, Aaron. WS/MVP same season. More Award $
LNTP (10 Teams).
@EvanDrellich
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42m
Some details: MLB offered to raise 1st luxury tax tier to $214m, peaking at $220m
MLBPA free agency proposal:
Year 1 of deal, no change, 6 years service to become FA
Years 2-3: 6 years—or if age 30 1/2 & 5 years of service
Years 4-5: 6 years—or if age 29 1/2 & 5 years service
this is a guess based mostly on his opt out and his comments in the last few weeks, but i think he is the antithesis of Scherzer.
Scherzer talked about the guys who set precedents before him that helped him get his contract.
Stroman has put down just about every other FA SP to prove that he's better and should get more. Including Thor, Gausman, and Matz who I believe were all his teammates at one time or another!
Scherzer has pitched through a million injuries and was willing to try coming out of the BP for LAD.
Stroman opted out because he pulled his calf and didn't want to injure himself further ahead of FA.
The decision to bring Stroman back isn't a contest between him and Scherzer but I think I'd just move on. Those types of things aren't lost on anyone in the clubhouse.
agreed - Cohen seems to be the most willing to cut people loose, and I'll bet he doesn't like how Stroman postured last year vs. this year.
17s
Cubs are in serious talks with Marcus Stroman @MattSpiegel670 1st
now
Dylan Bundy Twins deal: $4M salary next year w $1m buyout on 11m option in 2023. $5M guarantee