Andy Martino
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Sources: Mets have offered Scherzer more than $40 million per year. Length unknown. Doesn’t mean he’ll sign there; that’s still unclear.
trades can be discussed but not consummated (no physicals during a lock out) and player communication with any team officials is explicitly forbidden. An example given (he just retired) but Al Avila would have to file for a formal petition for a waiver to attend his sons hypothetical wedding. Managerial and coaching hires are allowed, though even this is impacted as teams can't even speak to their ex-players (unless retired).
trades can be discussed but not consummated (no physicals during a lock out) and player communication with any team officials is explicitly forbidden. An example given (he just retired) but Al Avila would have to file for a formal petition for a waiver to attend his sons hypothetical wedding. Managerial and coaching hires are allowed, though even this is impacted as teams can't even speak to their ex-players (unless retired).
So how did the JBJ/Renfroe trade happen? were they able to get physicals done in time?
from Bloom's comments it seemed that trade was agreed to right around the midnight deadline.
trades can be discussed but not consummated (no physicals during a lock out) and player communication with any team officials is explicitly forbidden. An example given (he just retired) but Al Avila would have to file for a formal petition for a waiver to attend his sons hypothetical wedding. Managerial and coaching hires are allowed, though even this is impacted as teams can't even speak to their ex-players (unless retired).
So how did the JBJ/Renfroe trade happen? were they able to get physicals done in time?
from Bloom's comments it seemed that trade was agreed to right around the midnight deadline.
The Red Sox either felt comfortable with simply exchanging medicals (which is allowed but less common) or both players had their physicals prior to the deadline. Because JBJ is an ex Red Sox my guess is it's the first one.
presumably the physicals will happen post lock like some of the FA
I think verlander's deal wasn't announced officially yet for whatever reason so that won't be final until later and someone signed last night a few hours before the deadline and they said the physical won't happen until post-lockout.
trades can be discussed but not consummated (no physicals during a lock out) and player communication with any team officials is explicitly forbidden. An example given (he just retired) but Al Avila would have to file for a formal petition for a waiver to attend his sons hypothetical wedding. Managerial and coaching hires are allowed, though even this is impacted as teams can't even speak to their ex-players (unless retired).
So how did the JBJ/Renfroe trade happen? were they able to get physicals done in time?
from Bloom's comments it seemed that trade was agreed to right around the midnight deadline.
The Red Sox either felt comfortable with simply exchanging medicals (which is allowed but less common) or both players had their physicals prior to the deadline. Because JBJ is an ex Red Sox my guess is it's the first one.
Yeah, but there are two sides to it, and Renfroe is not an ex-Brewer and there are two prospects.
anyway not a big deal, seems inconsistent.
RE: presumably the physicals will happen post lock like some of the FA
I think verlander's deal wasn't announced officially yet for whatever reason so that won't be final until later and someone signed last night a few hours before the deadline and they said the physical won't happen until post-lockout.
The Verlander stuff is odd, but presumably he had a physical prior to the lock out. If he didn't, yeah he'd have to wait for the move to be consummated.
so they likely exchanged medicals. I'm not really clear what your question is I guess? The trade has gone through so the lockout would have no impact on them. They won't be having physicals during the lockout. Clearly, the medical stuff on that trade was figured out prior to midnight or the league wouldn't have announced the move.
"Gabe Lacques
@GabeLacques
Rob Manfred, on free agency after five years, says the "most negative reaction we have is when a player leaves in free agency."
Left unsaid: The massive spike in energy, ticket sales, etc. when a free agent arrives."
Yeah... that's the only way this goes, not the excitement for a team/fanbase like Texas ADDING a Corey Seager. Boo hoo.
is it really any different than the trade deadline? mets got cespedes
like 20 minutes before the deadline and it was announced even though presumably there was no physical. and obviously they had gone through the whole gomez thing so for trades exchanging medicals is probably sufficient whereas any new contract needs a new physical to be official.
like 20 minutes before the deadline and it was announced even though presumably there was no physical. and obviously they had gone through the whole gomez thing so for trades exchanging medicals is probably sufficient whereas any new contract needs a new physical to be official.
no different, so players should still be able to be traded- *if* the reason they can't be traded is a physical when clearly no physicals happened for the trade consummated late last night.
RE: RE: is it really any different than the trade deadline? mets got cespedes
like 20 minutes before the deadline and it was announced even though presumably there was no physical. and obviously they had gone through the whole gomez thing so for trades exchanging medicals is probably sufficient whereas any new contract needs a new physical to be official.
no different, so players should still be able to be traded- *if* the reason they can't be traded is a physical when clearly no physicals happened for the trade consummated late last night.
Jim Bowden was the one who noted the physicals. Teams in theory (I guess) can waive physicals but there won't be trades announced during the lockout. Teams talking? Of course they will. What exactly is the advantage to "making" trades that can't be made official? Another team can still step in and make that move. It's not official until it is.
At this point, it’s unclear why the deal was not officially inked before the CBA expired and there’s no reason to suspect that it’s in any sort of jeopardy. However, it is at least noteworthy that it will apparently remain in a state of limbo as long as the lockout continues."
Again, pretty weird but unless there is a signing bonus, he's not seeing that money until the season opens anyway. No off-season paychecks. + Justin Verlander has savings I'm sure lol. But if it's not official, hypothetically the Astros could back out of the deal.
for new contracts clearly there need to be physicals.
for trades it's not mandated. they can exchange physicals or presumably in some situations they can do physicals.
but it's also different CBA by CBA because remember Caris Levert got traded and the mandatory physical caught his tumor.
so probably just a quirk of baseball's CBA since they play every day and wanted to be able to fast track stuff if they were willing to. teams can obviously trade for injured players if they want too.
issue with a pretty significant impact. The players have proposed 5 big league seasons OR 29.5 (whichever comes first). The owners want 29.5. Why is this a big deal? Juan Soto would be 1 year from FA. He'd hit FA at 24 years old. That contract would be NUTS. 15 years 40 per? No clue but wow.
Going to a balance system based upon net of contracts signed, NL DH, playoff expansion, change of pace improvements (ie stay in effing batters box), salary cap floor, firmer salary peak with provisions to increase, trading of draft picks, some sort of change to arbitration where the pay is more commiserate with performance, no ability to manipulate player control, ability to franchise a player once at an average of 3 highest players in their position are all things that will never happen but should.
They need to figure out a way to keep stars in their cities and increase competition for the league to ever be viable long term. Right now baseball only exists for half of the teams in the league and that’s a bad place to be.
Going to a balance system based upon net of contracts signed, NL DH, playoff expansion, change of pace improvements (ie stay in effing batters box), salary cap floor, firmer salary peak with provisions to increase, trading of draft picks, some sort of change to arbitration where the pay is more commiserate with performance, no ability to manipulate player control, ability to franchise a player once at an average of 3 highest players in their position are all things that will never happen but should.
They need to figure out a way to keep stars in their cities and increase competition for the league to ever be viable long term. Right now baseball only exists for half of the teams in the league and that’s a bad place to be.
Kyle Glaser
@KyleAGlaser
Regarding whether the major league portion of the Rule 5 draft will be made up at a later date: The only status is "it is postponed indefinitely."
I was told pick trading is expected to be part of the new CBA and there isn't much push back against it from either side. There will be stipulations put in place (presumably something similar to the Stepien rule)
I kind of doubt they will give in even on over-agers because that becomes a slippery slope in the future. But it makes sense to have a max age for FA for over-aged players with 5 years of service time.
ultimately I expect they will give the players a bunch of other stuff they want (drop draft pick comp, increase LTT, universal DH, etc) and the 5 vs. 6 years will be a future fight. Could see a salary floor going either way.
DH is not viewed by the players as a "major" issue. It only creates X amount of jobs. It's going to happen, but the only reason it didn't this season was the upcoming CBA and slippery slope of giving things up prior to the talks.
there aren't many major issues that's why the lockout is stupid
Universal DH is probably the most visible in game issue from a fan perspective though so it's not insignificant for either side because both are going to claim it as a win for the game.
the owners seem ready to give in on raising LTT / eliminating draft comp so those are 2 big issues mostly diffused.
payroll floor and service time to FA are probably the entire negotiation.
I say "major issue", I merely mean one in which either side sees there being much to discuss or disagree with. The players don't think it's a major "plus" and the owners know it's not a major "give". There will be a universal DH. 99% chance.
this would be abnormal, but it would be great if the Mets were very public about their managerial search and staff hirings just to keep things interesting.
I know many probably preferred the GM/PBO search stayed more off the grid and that made a lot of sense given the nature of that search, the fact that targets were under contract, and timing.
this situation is the opposite. most of the candidates are available right now and known. the team is in a positive place in terms of PR/fan excitement for next year. Obviously do it in a way that's respectful of the candidates but no need to be overly cloak and dagger. Especially once they make the managerial hire - would be really cool to get a behind the scenes look of the staff getting assembled and hearing about the new org philosophies/culture they are trying to build.
Done right it could be really good PR to help generate even more interest from current free agents. It was obvious on yesterday's zoom that Marte/Canha/Escobar especially were really excited to be here and be part of a team that's been so active so far. There were FA last year who were openly campaigning to have the chance to player here (walker was 1 of them) so I'd have to think that could be even more the case now after Scherzer.
When baseball resumes, I wouldn't mind @Mets signing Adonis Medina to a minor league deal. A former consensus top 100 prospect, and he's still only 24 Link - ( New Window )
for anyone who hasn't listed to Eppler's WFAN interview yesterday it's
1. the #1 thing he wanted a commitment from Cohen on was the ability to build the culture across every level of the FO from the top down "to do things the right way not the easy way". Talked about how important it is to support the people in the organization and help them grow their careers with the resources they need to succeed, etc.
2. sort of goes hand in had with #1, but said Cohen has basically told him that he can have whatever resources he needs for anything as long as he can make the case for how it helps the team win. whether it's FO, staffing, spending on players, etc. Cohen will invest in whatever they can make a case for. Mets GM Billy Eppler talks Max Scherzer, manager search with Carton and Roberts - ( New Window )
Carton/Roberts asked Eppler whether they still would have pursued Max if Gausman had accepted their offer. Eppler was a little bit evasive but did say it was "not an either/or" situation.
To me, that suggests they will go after another front line pitcher, such as Rodon. Or possibly a free agent hitter and then look to trade for a pitcher.
is probably the last SP (FA wise) you can even squint and call "front line". In fact, even amongst the Oakland/Reds group, it's really just Castillo. I'm assuming Clayton Kershaw isn't going to be a Met in this analysis.
been banging the drum for both Bassitt and Montas but Montas has one full season under his belt and Bassitt's 2021 is easily his best. Montas in theory "could" be that good. But Sonny Gray (while good) isn't a FL starter (3.99 FIP in 2021, 3.69 career, projected 4.01 and 32 this season), Manaea certainly isn't either, and Mahle (who I like) isn't either.
I'm unfamiliar with the FA/posting rules of the CBPL but this kid Hsu Jo-hsi looks NASTY. Struck out 98 over 81 innings as a 20 year old rookie. Reportedly touched triple digits, short RHP... delivery reminds me a bit of Pedro/David Cone. Looks ridiculous
I don't think he's a better fit than Baez so I don't see them being willing to much higher than that if they weren't for baez. he's almost a year older, far less positive impact on D, and the lineup is presently pretty right handed so while he'd add another run producer they'd likely lose McNeil whose career RC isn't far off Bryant's anyway.
steamer doesn't project Bryant (114 rc) much beyond McNeil (114) or Escobar (100) and he'd be a lot more expensive. Baez carried enormous defensive value add plus his offense last year as a met was better than those projections, which probably holds more weight to them than any projections.
for reference MLBTR has bryant pegged at 6 years 160m
which honestly seems a little nutty to me. he's versatile on D but not really great anywhere. And he had a nice bounce back but still below his career average and the 2nd worst year of the rest of his 7 year career (the worst being the covid short year).
last year I believe the rumor (martino?) was the mets had a standing offer for him that was basically swapping him for JDD. I'd imagine they could have just as easily targeted him over Baez at the deadline if they wanted also so not sure white whale is exactly right.
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Mets were willing to trade JD David for Bryant in January. No reason to think that would change.
11:10 AM · Jul 29, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Apparently was aggressive on Schwarber before the lockout. He’s apparently asking for 3 for 60. Also Marlins related, Boston thought they had a deal done for Stallings but Miami swooped in. Interesting in light of Vazquez being in Boston
Apparently was aggressive on Schwarber before the lockout. He’s apparently asking for 3 for 60. Also Marlins related, Boston thought they had a deal done for Stallings but Miami swooped in. Interesting in light of Vazquez being in Boston
And Shecky's favorite Plawecki.
I think Bryant has gone from over-valued to under-valued
Are we ever going to see 2016 Kris Bryant? Probably not.
But I think he will be a solid.850 OPS guy over the next 3-4 years.
I watched him a lot with Giants and what I noticed about his defense is that it got better when he stayed at the same position. So he is not a McNeil where you can move him game to game. But he does give you a guy who can play all the corner positions and handle CF for a month or two if Marte goes down. IMO he is a somewhat better CFer than Nimmo (though Nimmo was definitely getting better)
Apparently was aggressive on Schwarber before the lockout. He’s apparently asking for 3 for 60. Also Marlins related, Boston thought they had a deal done for Stallings but Miami swooped in. Interesting in light of Vazquez being in Boston
I think he is a deal at 3/60. When he is hot, righties dont want to pitch to him. But you have to be absolutely sure the DH is coming to NL.
i'd rather add Schwarber for DH than Bryant at half the cost
Apparently was aggressive on Schwarber before the lockout. He’s apparently asking for 3 for 60. Also Marlins related, Boston thought they had a deal done for Stallings but Miami swooped in. Interesting in light of Vazquez being in Boston
I think he is a deal at 3/60. When he is hot, righties dont want to pitch to him. But you have to be absolutely sure the DH is coming to NL.
they are locked out until the CBA is resolved so they would know for sure either way.
So how did the JBJ/Renfroe trade happen? were they able to get physicals done in time?
from Bloom's comments it seemed that trade was agreed to right around the midnight deadline.
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trades can be discussed but not consummated (no physicals during a lock out) and player communication with any team officials is explicitly forbidden. An example given (he just retired) but Al Avila would have to file for a formal petition for a waiver to attend his sons hypothetical wedding. Managerial and coaching hires are allowed, though even this is impacted as teams can't even speak to their ex-players (unless retired).
So how did the JBJ/Renfroe trade happen? were they able to get physicals done in time?
from Bloom's comments it seemed that trade was agreed to right around the midnight deadline.
The Red Sox either felt comfortable with simply exchanging medicals (which is allowed but less common) or both players had their physicals prior to the deadline. Because JBJ is an ex Red Sox my guess is it's the first one.
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trades can be discussed but not consummated (no physicals during a lock out) and player communication with any team officials is explicitly forbidden. An example given (he just retired) but Al Avila would have to file for a formal petition for a waiver to attend his sons hypothetical wedding. Managerial and coaching hires are allowed, though even this is impacted as teams can't even speak to their ex-players (unless retired).
So how did the JBJ/Renfroe trade happen? were they able to get physicals done in time?
from Bloom's comments it seemed that trade was agreed to right around the midnight deadline.
The Red Sox either felt comfortable with simply exchanging medicals (which is allowed but less common) or both players had their physicals prior to the deadline. Because JBJ is an ex Red Sox my guess is it's the first one.
Yeah, but there are two sides to it, and Renfroe is not an ex-Brewer and there are two prospects.
anyway not a big deal, seems inconsistent.
The Verlander stuff is odd, but presumably he had a physical prior to the lock out. If he didn't, yeah he'd have to wait for the move to be consummated.
"Gabe Lacques
@GabeLacques
Rob Manfred, on free agency after five years, says the "most negative reaction we have is when a player leaves in free agency."
Left unsaid: The massive spike in energy, ticket sales, etc. when a free agent arrives."
Yeah... that's the only way this goes, not the excitement for a team/fanbase like Texas ADDING a Corey Seager. Boo hoo.
no different, so players should still be able to be traded- *if* the reason they can't be traded is a physical when clearly no physicals happened for the trade consummated late last night.
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like 20 minutes before the deadline and it was announced even though presumably there was no physical. and obviously they had gone through the whole gomez thing so for trades exchanging medicals is probably sufficient whereas any new contract needs a new physical to be official.
no different, so players should still be able to be traded- *if* the reason they can't be traded is a physical when clearly no physicals happened for the trade consummated late last night.
Jim Bowden was the one who noted the physicals. Teams in theory (I guess) can waive physicals but there won't be trades announced during the lockout. Teams talking? Of course they will. What exactly is the advantage to "making" trades that can't be made official? Another team can still step in and make that move. It's not official until it is.
At this point, it’s unclear why the deal was not officially inked before the CBA expired and there’s no reason to suspect that it’s in any sort of jeopardy. However, it is at least noteworthy that it will apparently remain in a state of limbo as long as the lockout continues."
Again, pretty weird but unless there is a signing bonus, he's not seeing that money until the season opens anyway. No off-season paychecks. + Justin Verlander has savings I'm sure lol. But if it's not official, hypothetically the Astros could back out of the deal.
for trades it's not mandated. they can exchange physicals or presumably in some situations they can do physicals.
but it's also different CBA by CBA because remember Caris Levert got traded and the mandatory physical caught his tumor.
so probably just a quirk of baseball's CBA since they play every day and wanted to be able to fast track stuff if they were willing to. teams can obviously trade for injured players if they want too.
They need to figure out a way to keep stars in their cities and increase competition for the league to ever be viable long term. Right now baseball only exists for half of the teams in the league and that’s a bad place to be.
They need to figure out a way to keep stars in their cities and increase competition for the league to ever be viable long term. Right now baseball only exists for half of the teams in the league and that’s a bad place to be.
@KyleAGlaser
Regarding whether the major league portion of the Rule 5 draft will be made up at a later date: The only status is "it is postponed indefinitely."
I was told pick trading is expected to be part of the new CBA and there isn't much push back against it from either side. There will be stipulations put in place (presumably something similar to the Stepien rule)
ultimately I expect they will give the players a bunch of other stuff they want (drop draft pick comp, increase LTT, universal DH, etc) and the 5 vs. 6 years will be a future fight. Could see a salary floor going either way.
the owners seem ready to give in on raising LTT / eliminating draft comp so those are 2 big issues mostly diffused.
payroll floor and service time to FA are probably the entire negotiation.
I know many probably preferred the GM/PBO search stayed more off the grid and that made a lot of sense given the nature of that search, the fact that targets were under contract, and timing.
this situation is the opposite. most of the candidates are available right now and known. the team is in a positive place in terms of PR/fan excitement for next year. Obviously do it in a way that's respectful of the candidates but no need to be overly cloak and dagger. Especially once they make the managerial hire - would be really cool to get a behind the scenes look of the staff getting assembled and hearing about the new org philosophies/culture they are trying to build.
Done right it could be really good PR to help generate even more interest from current free agents. It was obvious on yesterday's zoom that Marte/Canha/Escobar especially were really excited to be here and be part of a team that's been so active so far. There were FA last year who were openly campaigning to have the chance to player here (walker was 1 of them) so I'd have to think that could be even more the case now after Scherzer.
Bay Area is the Foodie capital (only the food is not that good compared to NY)
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but I don't think we are that lucky.
Freeman was in fact in California as of yesterday...
so was Stroman until he hopped a flight to CHI. it seems like 50% of athletes today are in CA during the offseason.
if anyone is gonna steal freeman though I'd bet LAD. I am shocked they didn't retain at least 1 of Scherz/Seager.
Fire season in CA lasts through October usually, so fits perfectly with baseball season.
Like Manhattan, CA is a great place t live if you have tons of money
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1. the #1 thing he wanted a commitment from Cohen on was the ability to build the culture across every level of the FO from the top down "to do things the right way not the easy way". Talked about how important it is to support the people in the organization and help them grow their careers with the resources they need to succeed, etc.
2. sort of goes hand in had with #1, but said Cohen has basically told him that he can have whatever resources he needs for anything as long as he can make the case for how it helps the team win. whether it's FO, staffing, spending on players, etc. Cohen will invest in whatever they can make a case for.
Mets GM Billy Eppler talks Max Scherzer, manager search with Carton and Roberts - ( New Window )
Carton/Roberts asked Eppler whether they still would have pursued Max if Gausman had accepted their offer. Eppler was a little bit evasive but did say it was "not an either/or" situation.
To me, that suggests they will go after another front line pitcher, such as Rodon. Or possibly a free agent hitter and then look to trade for a pitcher.
steamer doesn't project Bryant (114 rc) much beyond McNeil (114) or Escobar (100) and he'd be a lot more expensive. Baez carried enormous defensive value add plus his offense last year as a met was better than those projections, which probably holds more weight to them than any projections.
last year I believe the rumor (martino?) was the mets had a standing offer for him that was basically swapping him for JDD. I'd imagine they could have just as easily targeted him over Baez at the deadline if they wanted also so not sure white whale is exactly right.
@martinonyc
Mets were willing to trade JD David for Bryant in January. No reason to think that would change.
11:10 AM · Jul 29, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
Not sure where JDD value is right now, but I'd add to him too if I had to.
And Shecky's favorite Plawecki.
But I think he will be a solid.850 OPS guy over the next 3-4 years.
I watched him a lot with Giants and what I noticed about his defense is that it got better when he stayed at the same position. So he is not a McNeil where you can move him game to game. But he does give you a guy who can play all the corner positions and handle CF for a month or two if Marte goes down. IMO he is a somewhat better CFer than Nimmo (though Nimmo was definitely getting better)
I think he is a deal at 3/60. When he is hot, righties dont want to pitch to him. But you have to be absolutely sure the DH is coming to NL.
b) lefty
c) walks more
d) ridiculous power
put him behind Alonso in the 5 hole and you still have a place to keep McNeil.
Cano can be a bench bat. Trade Dom or JDD for pitching.
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Apparently was aggressive on Schwarber before the lockout. He’s apparently asking for 3 for 60. Also Marlins related, Boston thought they had a deal done for Stallings but Miami swooped in. Interesting in light of Vazquez being in Boston
I think he is a deal at 3/60. When he is hot, righties dont want to pitch to him. But you have to be absolutely sure the DH is coming to NL.
they are locked out until the CBA is resolved so they would know for sure either way.