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NFT: Mets have offered Scherzer $40 mil+

CMicks3110 : 11/28/2021 8:34 pm
Andy Martino
@martinonyc
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18m
Sources: Mets have offered Scherzer more than $40 million per year. Length unknown. Doesn’t mean he’ll sign there; that’s still unclear.
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I'd rather have a dominant pitcher  
Debaser : 11/29/2021 6:30 am : link
like SCherz than Baez. As much as I like Baez and the idea of best defense is a good offense. Late last season proved they really needed another pitcher. I hope they move on from Stro -- I could be wrong but i just have a strange feeling his better years are behind him plus he is baggage.
As a long suffering Met fan all I can say is...  
dannysection 313 : 11/29/2021 8:10 am : link
I'll believe it when I see it.

We've been down this road so many times, only to be disappointed in the end.

Wonder if Robbie Ray would be the next target if/when Scherzer returns to LA?
Not a good sign  
Vanzetti : 11/29/2021 8:23 am : link
That the deal did not get done.?Is Boras once again just using Mets to drive up price?
This will just come down to where  
HewlettGiant : 11/29/2021 8:30 am : link
he wants to play.
Mets have done what they can
big news for the Mets  
UConn4523 : 11/29/2021 8:36 am : link
that's a sick 1-2 punch. Wonder what DeGrom thinks of this from a financial standpoint.
RE: This will just come down to where  
Vanzetti : 11/29/2021 8:38 am : link
In comment 15471729 HewlettGiant said:
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he wants to play.
Mets have done what they can


It comes down to money. If Mets offer is relatively the same, then
It comes down to other factors.

Add the 4th year and get it done
I think its clear he wants to remain on the west..  
Italianju : 11/29/2021 8:38 am : link
coast so he is probably giving those teams (dodgers are the only ones paying 40 per) a chance to get close to the Mets. I dont take it as a knock on us, he wants to play out west. And yeah at this point the longer it drags the less likely it happens, ha. But i mean Gray's agent would be an idiot to let him sign before seeing what happens with scherzer. Gausman wasnt getting much more then that, but Gray might have.

Also I know for effect its fun to call scherzer 38, but he is 37 and will be for like 2/3s of next season. Im also more interested in what he did the last few years, then i am in his age.
the reason I'm less concerned  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 8:42 am : link
with Scherzer's age is because the Mets young pitchers the past 5 or so years (Harvey, Wheeler, Syndergaard, Matz, even guys like Szapucki, Matt Allan, etc.) have all been injured (most TJS) and missed significant time.

so, age buys you nothing other than youth.

now get it done. and if it falls through at least I'm confident the Mets didn't half-ass it purely for optics like they would have under the prior regime.

Scherzer lives in Jupiter Florida  
Vanzetti : 11/29/2021 8:56 am : link
Why would he want to be out west?

I’m mean obviously he could move or have multiple residences. But having lived in CA for over a decade, it’s not a place that generally would appeal to a guy who was raised in Missouri and moved to Florida
Spent last night  
Gmanfandan : 11/29/2021 9:02 am : link
In Mets twitter world - I would love to see Max in Orange and Blue but it seems like Boras is the one leaking the news and there has not been a decision from Scherzer.

Uneducated guess is Scott is floating the numbers so it would look foolish if Max takes less and goes elsewhere.





RE: Spent last night  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15471784 Gmanfandan said:
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In Mets twitter world - I would love to see Max in Orange and Blue but it seems like Boras is the one leaking the news and there has not been a decision from Scherzer.

Uneducated guess is Scott is floating the numbers so it would look foolish if Max takes less and goes elsewhere.






so, your theory is Boras is purposely setting the Mets up to get jilted.


RE: Scherzer lives in Jupiter Florida  
KDavies : 11/29/2021 9:09 am : link
In comment 15471768 Vanzetti said:
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Why would he want to be out west?

I’m mean obviously he could move or have multiple residences. But having lived in CA for over a decade, it’s not a place that generally would appeal to a guy who was raised in Missouri and moved to Florida


Yeah, it makes sense. He lives probably about an hour from the spring training stadium in St. Lucie, maybe a little less.
RE: RE: Spent last night  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2021 9:21 am : link
In comment 15471794 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15471784 Gmanfandan said:


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In Mets twitter world - I would love to see Max in Orange and Blue but it seems like Boras is the one leaking the news and there has not been a decision from Scherzer.

Uneducated guess is Scott is floating the numbers so it would look foolish if Max takes less and goes elsewhere.








so, your theory is Boras is purposely setting the Mets up to get jilted.



Does Boras have any hard feelings from the Rocker mess?
Sounds  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 9:24 am : link
like this is going to fall through, but whatever, can't blame the Mets at this point.
Scherzer  
Jerry in_DC : 11/29/2021 9:30 am : link
lived near me in the DC area for the time he was with the Nats - sick house (unsurprisingly) overlooking the Potomac. Doesn't seem like a guy tied to the LA lifestyle.

I love this for the Mets. Might as well go big and go for upside right now. Hopefully in parallel, we'll be investing in the farm and front office to build something sustainable. If we get Scherzer, there's at least a reasonable scenario that this team can be good and be dangerous in playoffs. Love that.
RE: Sounds  
Beezer : 11/29/2021 9:33 am : link
In comment 15471831 pjcas18 said:
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like this is going to fall through, but whatever, can't blame the Mets at this point.


What makes you say that? It's early. And we have no idea. (Also, I may have missed something significant lol.)
RE: RE: Sounds  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 9:37 am : link
In comment 15471851 Beezer said:
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In comment 15471831 pjcas18 said:


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like this is going to fall through, but whatever, can't blame the Mets at this point.



What makes you say that? It's early. And we have no idea. (Also, I may have missed something significant lol.)


twitter. Some say the Angels are back involved now.

longer it drags on, less likely it is of happening IMO.

Mets should just give their BAFO put an expiration on it.
longer it goes the longer mets fans have...  
Italianju : 11/29/2021 9:43 am : link
to be Mets fans. We are def an assume the worst bunch, haha. Im not saying im feeling good or anything, ha. But i mean there is also tweets like this:


Ken Rosenthal
@Ken_Rosenthal
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1h
One rival exec last night saw nothing unusual in delay, saying, “All the Boras side items (in a contract)” take time. Also difficult to imagine Scherzer, a union leader, turning down perceived highest offer. But as Mets learned with Bauer, not over until agreement is reached.
nothing to gain from this falling through for either side  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 9:46 am : link
Boras doesn't want to publicly burn the richest owner in the game after offering him a record setting deal.
Cohen doesn't want to lose and get into another battle, this time with the biggest agent.

the news getting out to Gausman/Gray (and every writer on the planet) does imply that someone said this is going to happen.

Martino has a direct line to the FO so clearly that wasn't coming from the Mets side.

it does help give Boras leverage that the backup plans are no longer out there, so if I were betting he was the one putting it out there that they are finalizing a deal with the Mets.

so fingers crossed this gets done today, perhaps with some final asks from Boras now that he has the Mets over a barrel.

if not there are other ways to spend the $40m. Carlos Rodon and Sonny Gray would be my top fallback plan at this point.

Rodon is also repped by Boras.
I'm an optimist.  
Beezer : 11/29/2021 9:51 am : link
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shocked  
five5 : 11/29/2021 9:51 am : link
Rodon isn't getting more play...i know he is a risk but when healthy he might be the most dominant pitcher available
RE: I'm an optimist.  
pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 9:52 am : link
In comment 15471881 Beezer said:
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same, but I'm also impatient.

lol

is that possible? and by optimist I mean I don't whine and cry if things don't work out as hoped - just move on.
RE: shocked  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 9:59 am : link
In comment 15471884 five5 said:
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Rodon isn't getting more play...i know he is a risk but when healthy he might be the most dominant pitcher available


I'm more shocked it's crickets on Stroman. A few of the lists had him as the top SP available on the same level as Gausman but that doesn't seem to be the case.

I think he seems like a good fit for the Angels, hopefully after they miss out on Scherzer.
a little bit of positive news from Martino  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:00 am : link
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jeff McDowell @shiloh102957
Replying to @martinonyc
Odds they are being used, again ?

Andy Martino @martinonyc
9m
Slim
btw re: stroman both his former teams prioritized Gausman  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:02 am : link
and neither appeared to have him as a high priority. that says something imo.
RE: RE: I'm an optimist.  
Beezer : 11/29/2021 10:05 am : link
In comment 15471885 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 15471881 Beezer said:


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same, but I'm also impatient.

lol

is that possible? and by optimist I mean I don't whine and cry if things don't work out as hoped - just move on.


Absolutely possible, although the "impatient" piece typically includes "freaking out."

I don't get the impression that's you. lol

Scherzer is happening! I'm seeing it. Making this happen! LFG!!!!
as we wait for Scherzer news 1 way or the other the 26 man looks close  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:17 am : link
to set at this point. Last year's OD roster had 5 bench players (2 if, 2 of, 1 c) in addition to the 8 regulars and 8 BP arms in addition to the 5 SP.

at the moment the 8 regulars are pretty clear. Marte, Nimmo, Canha, Escobar, Lindor, Mcneil, Alonso, McCann.

3 of the bench players are likely Guillorme, Plummer, Nido.

DH is likely 2 of Cano/JDD/Smith - of which Smith seems like the best trade bait.

on the P side JDG, Carrasco, Walker are 3/5 starters.
in the BP you would think Diaz, May, Lugo, Castro are 4/8. Gsellman, Drew Smith and SRF will need to earn their spots since all 3 still have options (per spotrac). I would guess at least 2 of them are back.

So net-net the every day players look pretty settled barring some trades.

But probably room for 2 SP and 2 RP.

plan A is rightfully Scherzer, but if that doesn't happen 40m-50m for those 4 P spots should still get some solid players.
I think it's early to plug in Plummer  
KDavies : 11/29/2021 10:28 am : link
though I'd love to see him make the ML roster. He has the pedigree as a 1st round pick, and seems to have some all-around talent, with a breakout year last year. That said, he's going to have to earn it this spring.
Stroman  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:29 am : link
liked a tweet calling DiComo an ethnic slur? What is wrong with him?
RE: Stroman  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:30 am : link
In comment 15471953 DanMetroMan said:
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liked a tweet calling DiComo an ethnic slur? What is wrong with him?


then he lied about it when Carig confronted him and claimed it was "photoshopped".

almost feel bad for his agent.
Lee  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:30 am : link
presumably is ahead of Plummer on any "depth chart"
KG  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:32 am : link
actually scouted Plummer as an amateur and said at the time he put "first round money" on him, thinks he's a potential big leaguer but not with "impact" potential.
Stro is an immature idiot.  
Beezer : 11/29/2021 10:32 am : link
You have to love his passion for the game, but being this is a Giants forum, I'll say this - there are OBJ similarities with the guy.
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pjcas18 : 11/29/2021 10:32 am : link
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
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2h
There is expected to be a frenzy of moves today. In words of 1 executive today will be “bananas.” Becuase physicals and contract language needs to be finalized b4 potential lockout midnight Wed into Thurs, today is seen as close to a deadline to finalize deals.
RE: I think it's early to plug in Plummer  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15471950 KDavies said:
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though I'd love to see him make the ML roster. He has the pedigree as a 1st round pick, and seems to have some all-around talent, with a breakout year last year. That said, he's going to have to earn it this spring.


that's true but they gave him a ML deal and he was supposedly the best minor league FA, so I assume they are going to give him every chance to win that job. He can play all 3 positions and unlike Lee I don't think they can just send him down without someone claiming him. He's the 9th best prospect in their system now at a position they don't have a lot of depth and I think I read he would have been close to St Louis' top 10 too, so he may be a legitimate prospect worth hanging on to even if he doesn't have a great spring.

It's obviously convenient that all 3 starting OF can play CF if necessary, but it would probably be better to have a 4th OF capable of that too vs. a LF only like Dom (or JDD).
RE: Stroman  
Chris684 : 11/29/2021 10:33 am : link
In comment 15471953 DanMetroMan said:
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liked a tweet calling DiComo an ethnic slur? What is wrong with him?


Surprise, surprise.

I'll never forgive BVW for effectively swapping out Zack Wheeler for Marcus Stroman.
RE: Lee  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15471957 DanMetroMan said:
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presumably is ahead of Plummer on any "depth chart"


but Plummer can't be sent down right? he'd have to go on waivers?
RE: RE: Lee  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15471968 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 15471957 DanMetroMan said:


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presumably is ahead of Plummer on any "depth chart"



but Plummer can't be sent down right? he'd have to go on waivers?


Why? He has 3 minor league options left. This is like the Sam McWilliams situation. A "high priority" 6 year minor league FA they signed.
Looks like Boras swooping in with the final asks  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:38 am : link
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Andy Martino
@martinonyc
Sources: Mets and Scherzer now re-engaged, negotiations coming to a head.


Apparently teams have already seen the medicals so hopefully this is quick one way or the other.
Plummer  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:40 am : link
gets guaranteed money, that's the only difference. He can be sent down. He only has to be exposed to waivers if removed from the 40 man (like any other player).
RE: RE: RE: Lee  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 10:40 am : link
In comment 15471974 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 15471968 Eric on Li said:


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In comment 15471957 DanMetroMan said:


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presumably is ahead of Plummer on any "depth chart"



but Plummer can't be sent down right? he'd have to go on waivers?



Why? He has 3 minor league options left. This is like the Sam McWilliams situation. A "high priority" 6 year minor league FA they signed.


I assumed since it was a big league deal he'd be subject to waivers? Didn't they lose McWilliams last year on waivers?
They  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:42 am : link
DFA'ed McWilliams.
Hoping Lucchesi  
jpkmets : 11/29/2021 10:43 am : link
Has a good TJS recovery and can get back for a bit in 22 and be an asset for 23. He looked like he was figuring it out in his last 4 starts prior to TJS.
Williams  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:43 am : link
was sent down to Syracuse. Maybe I'm not understanding your question? He pitched in AAA for Syracuse and then was removed from the 40 man/DFA'ed to make room, then the Padres claimed him.
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DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:44 am : link
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Prior to the game, the club activated Pete Alonso and Kevin Pillar from the 10-Day IL, and Seth Lugo from the 60-Day IL. The club also picked up the contract of outfielder Mason Williams.

To make room on the roster, the team DFA’ed Cameron Maybin and Sam McWilliams, and optioned Khalil Lee, Patrick Mazeika, and Sean Reid-Foley to Triple-A.


Major league deal only means you are on the 40 man and paid as a big leaguer. It doesn't dictate you're on the 25 man roster.
Feeling  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:48 am : link
is wherever Scherzer signs, the contract will include opt-outs, potentially as early as year 1.
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 10:49 am : link
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
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14s
Heard the #Mets offer to Scherzer is in the 3-yr, $129M range — or about $43M on average per season.
.  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 11:01 am : link
No, I'm not suggesting @mets
sign Ollie. That being said, quite the career MLB debut in 2002! at 20, still pitching professionally (in Mexico) in 2021 24 innings 13.1 K/9, 0.87 whip, 2.63 era
Steamer  
DanMetroMan : 11/29/2021 11:02 am : link
projects Scherzer as the #7 SP in baseball in 2022.
RE: Williams  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 11:05 am : link
In comment 15471993 DanMetroMan said:
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was sent down to Syracuse. Maybe I'm not understanding your question? He pitched in AAA for Syracuse and then was removed from the 40 man/DFA'ed to make room, then the Padres claimed him.


I wasn't sure which transactions triggered waivers. I assumed he had to hit waivers when he wasn't on the 26 man but it sounds like it was only when he was removed from the 40 man (and wasn't subject to waivers when he was initially sent to AAA, only when they removed from the 40).
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