I am so sick and tired of reading the apologists for winning football games on this board. We won it is that simple. Some games you will look better than others. Today our D played great our punter sucked and the O did just enough. We made enough plays to win, sorry to those that continue to want us to lose instead.
In order to become a better team you have to learn how to win, close out games on D, learn how win when your losing and we have the ball and we are down 1 score. This does not happen over night. You need to win at home we are now 3-3 at home. You have to win games on the road so far we are 1-4 on the road. We need to figure that out. I am tired of seeing this one sucks that one sucks. We won we beat the Eagles for the 2nd year in a row at home.
Monday’s are always better after a win especially against a division opponent. This game was not pretty but a victory always is, on to the Chargers next week. No excuses if we win, they are a beatable team. Time to take another step and win one on the road. Can not imagine what this place sounds like next week at around 7:30 pm next Sunday if we win. I for one will be rooting for a little juice with a victory next week I do not care how it happens we just need to keep winning. The more we do it the better we will get at and the better we will look when we win. Glad to be going to work a little happier tomorrow.
Wins are contextual and the quality of play still matters. But this place is so bad with the extreme takes one way or the other.
I would feel good if they had won with an impressive effort. it simply wasn’t. and of course one camp has to make the other look stupid. which is foolish in and of itself.
If one of the problem spots we know about - bad o line play, barkley, jones, soft defense at end of half-looked good today, id feel good about the win. I can say with confidence most people here did not see that today.
The one good thing about this win is there is still a chance to qualify for post season- i believe the next three games will quash that, and at this point the risk giants win 6-7 games and don’t address this tesm properly is a bigger risk as a result of this win. my calculus.
Or 6!
Wins are contextual and the quality of play still matters. But this place is so bad with the extreme takes one way or the other.
I would feel good if they had won with an impressive effort. it simply wasn’t. and of course one camp has to make the other look stupid. which is foolish in and of itself.
If one of the problem spots we know about - bad o line play, barkley, jones, soft defense at end of half-looked good today, id feel good about the win. I can say with confidence most people here did not see that today.
The one good thing about this win is there is still a chance to qualify for post season- i believe the next three games will quash that, and at this point the risk giants win 6-7 games and don’t address this tesm properly is a bigger risk as a result of this win. my calculus.
There you have it. They are in contention, you have what you want. Winning is a process go ask the Patriots how did the look 6 weeks ago. People were crowning the Browns and Bills the AFC best teams. I will not give up on this team making the playoffs. You root right to the end . I too will take 6 more to end the season just like today. They will address what is wrong with this team in the off season. The question will be, will they be the right players. For our sake and the players sake let us hope they will be.
Why because you said so? The Titans lost to team that the Jefs beat this week. Any given Sunday Baby! GO GMEN!!!!
The defense was awesome today.
The offense was ugly, but Kitchens had 5 days to work with. I'm not saying this offense can be good by the end of the year, but they can definitely get better from here.
As for the remaining schedule, I don't see any game that is not winnable. Keep stacking wins and they may just find themselves in that 7 seed. While they won't go far, it would be progress to even play a meaningful game in January.
You are right. Because they don't play the chargers next week.
And that same Chargers team looked very beatable today.
right to the end? i see a non contender who barely won a game
after a plus 4 turnover.
your patriots point is irrelevant - they turned it around much earlier and looked pretty good in a few of their early losses. wasn’t rooting for losses 6 weeks ago for nyg. wasn’t really rooting for a loss today, but can recognize today’s win probably costs them because i did not see much to build on.
here is the worst part. many people have expressed disappointment some
are happy. SO MAYBE ITS REASONABLE to have differing takes on today. You seem to think divergence of thought is not ok.
googs, on this post, and i, btw, made a lot of
Eli homers look bad after they huffed and puffed
eli would prove us wrong in 2018. still waiting on that......
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You are right. Because they don't play the chargers next week.
And that same Chargers team looked very beatable today.
Aren't the Miami Dolphins the opponent next week (on the road)?
lol, you just made me spit my coffee..hilarious
Wins are contextual and the quality of play still matters. But this place is so bad with the extreme takes one way or the other.
I would feel good if they had won with an impressive effort. it simply wasn’t. and of course one camp has to make the other look stupid. which is foolish in and of itself.
If one of the problem spots we know about - bad o line play, barkley, jones, soft defense at end of half-looked good today, id feel good about the win. I can say with confidence most people here did not see that today.
The one good thing about this win is there is still a chance to qualify for post season- i believe the next three games will quash that, and at this point the risk giants win 6-7 games and don’t address this tesm properly is a bigger risk as a result of this win. my calculus.
Ok, perhaps a few more wins in 2003 and they wouldn't have been able to get Eli. It wouldn't have been impossible to still make a trade with more capital, but even if they didn't. They could have drafted Roethlisberger or Rivers. The fact is that you never know how the draft will play out. Who will be available and when. Its never a shame to win, no matter how its done or what it does to draft status.
If history shows us anything it is even with better draft position, you have to pick the right guys - and we've shown that with all the top 10 picks we've had lately, that probably hasn't been the case.
I am rooting for wins and for the people in charge (hopefully new people in charge, that is..) make better picks, whenever our # comes up on draft day.
I'd rather see us win, no matter how ugly or flawed.
There are massive things that need fixing, but you don't need the #1 or #2 overall pick to fix them... look at the teams who draft well year after year (some of them playoff teams)...
Draft better, self scout better, develop players better...
Please?!?
right to the end? i see a non contender who barely won a game
after a plus 4 turnover.
your patriots point is irrelevant - they turned it around much earlier and looked pretty good in a few of their early losses. wasn’t rooting for losses 6 weeks ago for nyg. wasn’t really rooting for a loss today, but can recognize today’s win probably costs them because i did not see much to build on.
here is the worst part. many people have expressed disappointment some
are happy. SO MAYBE ITS REASONABLE to have differing takes on today. You seem to think divergence of thought is not ok.
googs, on this post, and i, btw, made a lot of
Eli homers look bad after they huffed and puffed
eli would prove us wrong in 2018. still waiting on that......
Poor Hassan still obsessed with "being right" about Eli...
With Eli starting this year this team is probably over .500...all the huffing and puffing about the OL this year they still better than what he had last few years of his career...
my Eagle fan buddy sent me a text saying "You're welcome for that win"
and I basically said that i'll trade him Engrams drop last year for Reagors drop this year
Congrats. Some of us have emotionally matured beyond age 14 and have a different set of criteria for assessing the team’s performance and outlook.
There is nuance in everything. shocker, if you read googs and my posts, we actually love what Eli did, for any number of years. he was just done by 2018 being a plus qb. Good franchises diagnose this and move on. we didn’t, in fact is a contributing factor to current state of franchise.
Reasonable people can understand some fans see yesterday as a bad win. some like the win. Either way it’s fine. don’t get the judgement.
You apparently still live in delusion and forget he was not
looking great in 2019 before he was benched. But you have never stuck meas ‘nuanced’ or ‘reasonable’ in any posts, in fact in the camp that had to take a hard position on everything including eli.
unfortunately what bbi is these days.
i was more encouraged by team showing fight last year and what seemed like progress after a 1-7 start to go 5-3 last year. was rooting for the wins because i thought it better to show something to build on.
did not have that feeling yesterday. unlike last year, now getting blown out. smells like a step back. and now their cap situation is worse.
my stance, my take on this team.
There is nuance in everything. shocker, if you read googs and my posts, we actually love what Eli did, for any number of years. he was just done by 2018 being a plus qb. Good franchises diagnose this and move on. we didn’t, in fact is a contributing factor to current state of franchise.
Reasonable people can understand some fans see yesterday as a bad win. some like the win. Either way it’s fine. don’t get the judgement.
You apparently still live in delusion and forget he was not
looking great in 2019 before he was benched. But you have never stuck meas ‘nuanced’ or ‘reasonable’ in any posts, in fact in the camp that had to take a hard position on everything including eli.
unfortunately what bbi is these days.
I particularly was against the notion that Eli was the main problem for the Giants offense, and once he was no longer playing the offense would be much improved especially with a qb who could move. Many things were true at the same time:
Eli was the old Eli less and less
The OL was terrible
The defense was terrible (excluding 16)
Once Eli was removed in '19 the OL was still terrible, the defense was still bad and the Giants for the most part were the same team.
We are now almost three full years removed from Eli, the OL is still bad, the defense is at least adequate and Jones from my view looks like a significant downgrade from even an old Eli.
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Why because you said so? The Titans lost to team that the Jefs beat this week. Any given Sunday Baby! GO GMEN!!!!
Because they don't play the Chargers next game lol.
anyone who puts all the blame on one player is foolish, it was not nor ever eli’s fault exclusively, it just made no sense to keep a league avg aging player on a non contender after years being removed from glory . he became the poster child of mara’s flawed thinking more than anything. anyone who blamed him exclusively is as foolish as anyone who just defended starting him endlessly and blindly.
giants took a shot on jones, they will have to play him another season most likely and have to address upgrading through bpa along with other holes on this team.
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Why because you said so? The Titans lost to team that the Jefs beat this week. Any given Sunday Baby! GO GMEN!!!!
There's a much better reason why we have a 0% chance of beating the Chargers next week. Let's see if you can figure it out.
anyone who puts all the blame on one player is foolish, it was not nor ever eli’s fault exclusively, it just made no sense to keep a league avg aging player on a non contender after years being removed from glory . he became the poster child of mara’s flawed thinking more than anything. anyone who blamed him exclusively is as foolish as anyone who just defended starting him endlessly and blindly.
giants took a shot on jones, they will have to play him another season most likely and have to address upgrading through bpa along with other holes on this team.
I figured since we are patting ourselves on the back about past statements I would point out that it seems likely that Eli was probably not the main problem with the offense like many suggested here with authority.
I also never suggested that we not look for a replacement. I am not sure why you assumed I meant that.
Please look for any braggadocio i’ve shown on this site about this topic when Eli fanboys-not fans, which i am- but fanboys- repeatedly attacked any reasonable critics in ad hominem terms. i’ll pull up the posts. My small statement on this should not bother you so much.
You are reasonable, so i’ll get to my bigger point. Everyone is too entrenched in camps and judging other giant fans around here. truth is often in the middle.
people demand we enjoy wins like the stinker we saw yesterday. my opinion of course, everyone can have their take. Not enjoyable to these eyes, and yes i preferred last years second half wins and losing draft position to more games like yesterday. this year i want the draft capital and the urgency to make more drastic changes.
I have read this board for years just started posting. The people who complain after we win, they complain after we lose. We have beat the Eagles now 3 times in a row. The 1st time that has happened in 12 years. My Monday was made better from the win yesterday. I watched dejected Eagle fans leaving the building and it made me smile even harder. I heard the fans all around we got to conservative, the worm is turning we are going to blow this game. I get it, this last decade of football has not been easy to be a Giants fan. Strahan was right though, we have 4 Super Bowls and this team will get it right again. I believe we are closer than some on this board believe. One week at a time.
I love it.
F the Eagles 4ever.
i was more encouraged by team showing fight last year and what seemed like progress after a 1-7 start to go 5-3 last year. was rooting for the wins because i thought it better to show something to build on.
did not have that feeling yesterday. unlike last year, now getting blown out. smells like a step back. and now their cap situation is worse.
my stance, my take on this team.
Please stop with the CAP bs we are in fine shape. The cap was lowered due to Covid. The Cap will go back up next year. We will be rid of Solder and a few others. They have plenty of flexibility with the CAP. Time to find a new excuse. We will have 4 different OL than are currently playing right now on the OL next year. Go get a stud OT and and Guard and then go from there. Our secondary should be pretty much done. Our Wr's are covered RB is covered DL is fine. We need edge rushers and we need Lb's. Our PK is fine and we need a new punter. We are not in Cap hell.
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I have read this board for years just started posting. The people who complain after we win, they complain after we lose. We have beat the Eagles now 3 times in a row. The 1st time that has happened in 12 years. My Monday was made better from the win yesterday. I watched dejected Eagle fans leaving the building and it made me smile even harder. I heard the fans all around we got to conservative, the worm is turning we are going to blow this game. I get it, this last decade of football has not been easy to be a Giants fan. Strahan was right though, we have 4 Super Bowls and this team will get it right again. I believe we are closer than some on this board believe. One week at a time.
Yeah, sure thing. Just joined...immediately begin poking at Go Terps and your handle is a shot at Univ of MD.
it's fine, site needs entertainment too...
and worst when you factor what we are getting), dismiss the quality of play, reject opinions not in line with ‘rah rah rah’..........
sounds like an existing member for sure.
anyone who puts all the blame on one player is foolish, it was not nor ever eli’s fault exclusively, it just made no sense to keep a league avg aging player on a non contender after years being removed from glory . he became the poster child of mara’s flawed thinking more than anything. anyone who blamed him exclusively is as foolish as anyone who just defended starting him endlessly and blindly.
giants took a shot on jones, they will have to play him another season most likely and have to address upgrading through bpa along with other holes on this team.
Hey hassan. I think you have the correct pulse of what when on with Eli debates.
For the less dramatic posters at least, it was never about him being the overwhelming problem and if just replaced the Giants would be in good shape. It was substantially about he was in enough noticeable decline and would never be good enough again to lift a suspect roster, and not worth keeping age/money wise to wait for the next cycle and keep passing on draftable QBs.
The real kick in the pants was the exponential hits the team took on by making the wrong initial decision with Eli. They could have taken a QB in 2018, or traded away that pick for more bounty and built for future versus just going all-in on a RB for a final Eli-run. Then in 2019 they double-down and keep him yet again BUT now this time panic draft a QB too high and then bench Eli anyway after 2 games. And as you say, if they were just going to take a shot with Jones, then what the hell was the purpose of keeping Eli on the payroll too? And then some will even suggest missed out on a better prospect in Herbert in 2020 because Jones was given the reins already.
It's almost like you could not have possibly done worse over a few year stretch of roster decision-making...
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understand your point, i will say that winning meaningless games in 03 in dec makes that trade more unlikely.
i was more encouraged by team showing fight last year and what seemed like progress after a 1-7 start to go 5-3 last year. was rooting for the wins because i thought it better to show something to build on.
did not have that feeling yesterday. unlike last year, now getting blown out. smells like a step back. and now their cap situation is worse.
my stance, my take on this team.
Please stop with the CAP bs we are in fine shape. The cap was lowered due to Covid. The Cap will go back up next year. We will be rid of Solder and a few others. They have plenty of flexibility with the CAP. Time to find a new excuse. We will have 4 different OL than are currently playing right now on the OL next year. Go get a stud OT and and Guard and then go from there. Our secondary should be pretty much done. Our Wr's are covered RB is covered DL is fine. We need edge rushers and we need Lb's. Our PK is fine and we need a new punter. We are not in Cap hell.
I think we can start narrowing down who you actually are.
There's only a handful of regulars here who thought "cap" was an acronym.
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understand your point, i will say that winning meaningless games in 03 in dec makes that trade more unlikely.
i was more encouraged by team showing fight last year and what seemed like progress after a 1-7 start to go 5-3 last year. was rooting for the wins because i thought it better to show something to build on.
did not have that feeling yesterday. unlike last year, now getting blown out. smells like a step back. and now their cap situation is worse.
my stance, my take on this team.
Please stop with the CAP bs we are in fine shape. The cap was lowered due to Covid. The Cap will go back up next year. We will be rid of Solder and a few others. They have plenty of flexibility with the CAP. Time to find a new excuse. We will have 4 different OL than are currently playing right now on the OL next year. Go get a stud OT and and Guard and then go from there. Our secondary should be pretty much done. Our Wr's are covered RB is covered DL is fine. We need edge rushers and we need Lb's. Our PK is fine and we need a new punter. We are not in Cap hell.
I think we can start narrowing down who you actually are.
There's only a handful of regulars here who thought "cap" was an acronym.
Narrow down what? My God there are a bunch of you who excruciating to read every day. This is a message board that having to read read people bitch and moan when we win gets nauseating. We are not in CAP hell regardless whether you believe it or not.
The more we lose the better chance of that we have.
I'm willing to give them a chance to win my faith every season. But this team doesn't have it and that is super clear. I'm not going to get excited about them winning enough games to pick 9th instead of 5th. If it was just a draft pick and the team ever played like they had a real shot to beat even decent teams consistently I'd happily take the wins.
At this point in the season a win like this actually deflates me because it's clear that some of you rubes will continue to condone this poor management by buying the excuses.
How many years of being a pariah in NY did it take for Dolan to actually make real changes? Some of you are like well they won't ever change. Well to me that doesn't earn the right to be respected by the fans and this city that demands achievement from everyone else.
because they are comedy outfit not worth the time and i’m not buying that just because they are over 500 they are now fixed. they are just at peak mediocrity and no path to a championship with this team.
football is different and giants have earned another bad decade of floundering but i don’t have to like a team i know is going no where winning in the bs manner they did yesterday in spite of what a savant thinks who uses a handle as an jab at a poster who dares to not be a pom pom artist.
mara will be in dolan territory if he doesn’t wake up soon.
I'd much rather see the Giants lose every game for the rest of the year and force Mara to wake up to the fact his vision is an abject failure, than finish 7-10 and have him think it's working.
Now I know that's not a guarantee, but IMO this season falling flat is much better for the longer term outlook than a middling season is.