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NFT: Knicks chat: Tough week ahead

nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 11:27 am
Knicks had a great win saturday, undermanned and went in and beat a hot Atlanta team in their building..

This week doesnt get any easier @nets tuesday TNT, home Bulls on thursday and home nuggets saturday..

Basically 3 home games, Knicks have played the Bulls tough and Nuggets are struggling have no bench..

As for thr starters i think i stick with Kemba but with this caveat: you tell him be agressive, get into the paint, if doubled dish, if he is playing well you let him go, if not take him out, short leash..

It was easier to do but i liked the mkxing matching against atlanta, it allowed different guys to get into a rythym, instead of 5 starters and 5 bench...Mixing and matching allowed Fournier, Burks, Quick, Rj and Toppin all get into the flow of the game..

Reiterates how some of the depth needs to be consolidated
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Michael Porter Jr  
JohninSC : 11/29/2021 11:40 am : link
getting back surgery. Out indefinitely.

They really need to figure out a way to get Toppin more minutes  
Mike in NJ : 11/29/2021 11:45 am : link
His per 36 numbers at this point are 19-8 and he has played really well defensively, especially considering that was supposed to be an area of weakness coming in. He's been playing too well to only be getting 15 minutes per night, I would love to see them figure out a way to get him 5-10 minutes at Center on a consistent basis.

Thibs needs to split up Randle/RJs minutes. I know its unavoidable that they are going to share the court together, but he needs to do a better job of staggering them. It worked last year because RJ was hitting 3s at a much higher rate, but this year they just do not look like they can play together. They just take turns trying to get theirs, and there is very little ball movement. RJ looked really good with the second unit against Atlanta, let's see more of that.
RE: They really need to figure out a way to get Toppin more minutes  
JohninSC : 11/29/2021 11:46 am : link
In comment 15472171 Mike in NJ said:
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His per 36 numbers at this point are 19-8 and he has played really well defensively, especially considering that was supposed to be an area of weakness coming in. He's been playing too well to only be getting 15 minutes per night, I would love to see them figure out a way to get him 5-10 minutes at Center on a consistent basis.

Thibs needs to split up Randle/RJs minutes. I know its unavoidable that they are going to share the court together, but he needs to do a better job of staggering them. It worked last year because RJ was hitting 3s at a much higher rate, but this year they just do not look like they can play together. They just take turns trying to get theirs, and there is very little ball movement. RJ looked really good with the second unit against Atlanta, let's see more of that.


Said the same thing the other week. Thibs needs to stagger the starters.
RE: They really need to figure out a way to get Toppin more minutes  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 11:47 am : link
In comment 15472171 Mike in NJ said:
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His per 36 numbers at this point are 19-8 and he has played really well defensively, especially considering that was supposed to be an area of weakness coming in. He's been playing too well to only be getting 15 minutes per night, I would love to see them figure out a way to get him 5-10 minutes at Center on a consistent basis.

Thibs needs to split up Randle/RJs minutes. I know its unavoidable that they are going to share the court together, but he needs to do a better job of staggering them. It worked last year because RJ was hitting 3s at a much higher rate, but this year they just do not look like they can play together. They just take turns trying to get theirs, and there is very little ball movement. RJ looked really good with the second unit against Atlanta, let's see more of that.


Its hard to do when you have a 10 man rotation
RE: Michael Porter Jr  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 11/29/2021 11:49 am : link
In comment 15472158 JohninSC said:
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getting back surgery. Out indefinitely.


Dude is made of glass. Makes Shep look like an iron man.
RE: RE: Michael Porter Jr  
BigBlueShock : 11/29/2021 11:52 am : link
In comment 15472189 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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getting back surgery. Out indefinitely.




Dude is made of glass. Makes Shep look like an iron man.

It’s not good. His back injury was the reason he fell in the draft if I remember correctly.
The Atlanta win has me feeling more positive about this team.  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 11:54 am : link
Not just beating a good team on the road, but 11-9 just feels a lot better than 10-10 through 20 games. Puts us on a 45-win pace, which is where we should be. Win or lose in Brooklyn (most likely lose but we'll see), I think we're going to start to play better in the second quarter of the season.

The front office is probably realizing by now they should've trusted the young guys more. The minutes going to Kemba, Fournier and Noel could've gone to IQ, Grimes, Obi, Sims, etc., without sacrificing much of anything, but I suppose they wanted some insurance. We have two vets at every spot - Rose/Kemba at the point, Fournier/Burks on the wing, Noel/Taj at the five - where they could've gotten away with just one. Not a huge deal, but it would be nice to consolidate at some point.
RE: RE: RE: Michael Porter Jr  
JohninSC : 11/29/2021 11:54 am : link
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getting back surgery. Out indefinitely.




Dude is made of glass. Makes Shep look like an iron man.


It’s not good. His back injury was the reason he fell in the draft if I remember correctly.


His 3rd back surgery. Nuggets just gave him HUGE money too.
IQ  
Existenz : 11/29/2021 11:56 am : link
If IQ keeps playing the way he has, I think you have to start thinking about inserting him in the starting lineup at PG. He's played great defense against two top tier PGs the last two games and he has been facilitating the offense.
RE: RE: RE: Michael Porter Jr  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 11:59 am : link
In comment 15472201 BigBlueShock said:
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getting back surgery. Out indefinitely.




Dude is made of glass. Makes Shep look like an iron man.


It’s not good. His back injury was the reason he fell in the draft if I remember correctly.


Nuggets are in trouble, they just gave him the max, he has now had 2 back surgeries before 23 and has nerve damage
Nuggets  
TommyWiseau : 11/29/2021 12:09 pm : link
paid him over 30 a year, oof. I feel bad for the kid but at least he got paid
RE: IQ  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15472221 Existenz said:
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If IQ keeps playing the way he has, I think you have to start thinking about inserting him in the starting lineup at PG. He's played great defense against two top tier PGs the last two games and he has been facilitating the offense.


I dont think IQ should start until next year at the earliest
RE: Nuggets  
Earl the goat : 11/29/2021 12:19 pm : link
In comment 15472271 TommyWiseau said:
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paid him over 30 a year, oof. I feel bad for the kid but at least he got paid


I thought it was a bad signing prior to the injury and now it’s an awful signing
Not because of his back issues I just didn’t think he was worth that money
Knicks ate a ton of criticism for not drafting MPJ.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/29/2021 12:23 pm : link
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Burks starting at point tomorrow vs Nets  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 12:46 pm : link
Thibs just announced
Kemba out of the rotations as of now  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 12:48 pm : link
Thibs going with 9 guys..

Rose, Noel, Gibson questionable
RE: Burks starting at point tomorrow vs Nets  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 12:49 pm : link
In comment 15472442 nygiants16 said:
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Thibs just announced

Wow, and Kemba is out of the rotation. That was the move to make, as much as we all wanted a happier Kemba/NYC reunion. Welcome to the rotation, Quentin Grimes.

Burks/Rose
Fournier/IQ
RJ/Grimes
Randle/Obi
Mitch/Noel
Oh, so Grimes isn't a fixture just yet.  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 12:50 pm : link
His time will come.
Its the right move  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 12:50 pm : link
but im surprised they are pulling the plug that quick..
RE: Oh, so Grimes isn't a fixture just yet.  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 12:51 pm : link
In comment 15472460 bceagle05 said:
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His time will come.


Yeah sounds like Thibs wants to mix and match more, which means more Rj with bench i would think
Burks tends to get a little banged up  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 12:53 pm : link
so I'm sure Kemba will get another look at some point. Still a bummer though - I was hoping he had more left in the tank.
Surprised  
JohninSC : 11/29/2021 12:54 pm : link
Thibs pulled the plug this early. I'm happy with the move however. I'd rather him do it a bit earlier than too late.
RE: Burks tends to get a little banged up  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 12:55 pm : link
In comment 15472479 bceagle05 said:
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so I'm sure Kemba will get another look at some point. Still a bummer though - I was hoping he had more left in the tank.


I really thought he had one more all star season in him and coming back to NY would rejuvinate him..

But we saw the difference immediately with Burks at point, team is bigger, better defensively..
RE: Knicks ate a ton of criticism for not drafting MPJ.  
Enzo : 11/29/2021 1:08 pm : link
In comment 15472349 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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well it wasn't *just* Porter they didn't draft....it was the guys taken immediately after Knox (Mikal Bridges, Miles Bridges, SGH), not to mention the 10-15 OTHER guys taken later in that draft who appear to be rotation players, lol.
This hopefully awakens Rj a little bit  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 1:10 pm : link
he can come in with the 2nd unit and play fast...Probably where he is best...

Everyone gets a little more minutes and get into better rythym
credit fo Thibs  
Enzo : 11/29/2021 1:11 pm : link
for pivoting away from a starting 5 that wasn't working. But you wonder where this quick hook was with Payton last year.

I still think Kemba can/will play a role for this team.
RE: Knicks ate a ton of criticism for not drafting MPJ.  
Mike in NJ : 11/29/2021 1:26 pm : link
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I would still rather have MPJ, back surgery and all, over Knox.
RE: RE: Knicks ate a ton of criticism for not drafting MPJ.  
Enzo : 11/29/2021 1:28 pm : link
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I would still rather have MPJ, back surgery and all, over Knox.

in a vacuum? Yes. With that max contract? Eh...
Scott Perry has repaired his image a bit lately  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 1:32 pm : link
but I still feel like anyone associated with the Knox pick should’ve been fired long ago. Mikal, Miles and SGA are all far superior players who could’ve filled the gaping holes we still have at 3&D wing and starting PG - the Knox pick destroyed us. If you miss that badly it should cost you your job.
RE: RE: Knicks ate a ton of criticism for not drafting MPJ.  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 1:36 pm : link
In comment 15472595 Mike in NJ said:
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I would still rather have MPJ, back surgery and all, over Knox.


Id rather have the guy who sits only on a 1 year 5 million dollar deal than a 5 hear 200 million dollar contract that doesnt start until next year..

nerve damage in yojr back doesnt just get better and once you have 1 back aurgery you will have more..

Doctors do a surgery on your back as a last resort
As a Knicks fan, I am relieved at Kemba losing the minutes.  
Heisenberg : 11/29/2021 1:42 pm : link
As a Uconn fan, I am sad.
Off topic but Udonis Haslem is warning the Jokic brothers  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 1:44 pm : link
not to start any trouble tonight in Miami. Haslem vs. the Jokic brothers would be an epic battle.
Joe Harris out 4 to 8 weeks  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 1:52 pm : link
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RE: Off topic but Udonis Haslem is warning the Jokic brothers  
Stu11 : 11/29/2021 2:03 pm : link
In comment 15472648 bceagle05 said:
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not to start any trouble tonight in Miami. Haslem vs. the Jokic brothers would be an epic battle.

Screw the Lebron Pistons nonsense. This Jokic brothers vs.the Heat shit is some real WWE shit that I'd buy tickets for.
Hope this gives RJ a boost  
adamg : 11/29/2021 2:54 pm : link
Would have preferred IQ to start at the point, but Burks has been playing great. And IQ will get his minutes and dominate those second units. Can't argue against this move. Kemba just wasn't bringing much to the table. Need some type of boost for the starters. Burks could be that.
Jesus  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 2:59 pm : link
Fred Katz
@FredKatz
A statistical summary of why the Knicks are pulling Kemba Walker from the rotation:

Knicks have the best defense in the league when he’s on the bench (99.0 DRtg) & are dead last (116.3 DRtg) when he’s on the floor.

They are 27th in offense with him playing, 9th with him off.
RE: Jesus  
Heisenberg : 11/29/2021 3:08 pm : link
In comment 15472844 nygiants16 said:
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Fred Katz
@FredKatz
A statistical summary of why the Knicks are pulling Kemba Walker from the rotation:

Knicks have the best defense in the league when he’s on the bench (99.0 DRtg) & are dead last (116.3 DRtg) when he’s on the floor.

They are 27th in offense with him playing, 9th with him off.


This made me even sadder
I think what we've found out through 20 games  
Stu11 : 11/29/2021 3:16 pm : link
Is that having Randle AND a PG who thrives with the ball in his hands simply doesn't work. Factor in Kemba's horrific D and it's turned the 1st unit into a mess. I think what this may show is if we get a ball dominant star (Dame) Randle will have to go.
RE: I think what we've found out through 20 games  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 3:21 pm : link
In comment 15472875 Stu11 said:
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Is that having Randle AND a PG who thrives with the ball in his hands simply doesn't work. Factor in Kemba's horrific D and it's turned the 1st unit into a mess. I think what this may show is if we get a ball dominant star (Dame) Randle will have to go.


I think whoever the next point guard is has to play defense and be able to effect the game passing and shooting..

When Kemba was shooting well from 3 for that short stretch the Knicks were playing well offensively..

The reason it works with Burks or IQ or Rose with Randle is becaise they are effective off the ball, kemba wasnt..

Lillard for example would probably welcome playing with randle
I'd concede that it might work with Dame  
Stu11 : 11/29/2021 3:25 pm : link
Because has the gravitas to come here and be himself and not defer right away. I agree Burks is a much better fit with the first unit as well as next to Rose. I do think Kemba isn't finished here by a long shot, though if a star becomes available in the next few months I could see him going as part of the package.
RE: I'd concede that it might work with Dame  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 3:26 pm : link
In comment 15472895 Stu11 said:
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Because has the gravitas to come here and be himself and not defer right away. I agree Burks is a much better fit with the first unit as well as next to Rose. I do think Kemba isn't finished here by a long shot, though if a star becomes available in the next few months I could see him going as part of the package.


They will definitely be in the market for point, it just better not be ben simmons
nyg16: Didn't you want to bench Walker  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2021 3:32 pm : link
and trade Randle?

Like a week ago?
RE: nyg16: Didn't you want to bench Walker  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 3:38 pm : link
In comment 15472912 Gatorade Dunk said:
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and trade Randle?

Like a week ago?


actually i have consistenly said that it would be hard to bench Kemba because then he is completely out of the rotation and i didnt think the Knicks would do that..

I also said that i would put Burks into the starting lineup if a change was madr, i said it multiple times saturday before the game that i would start Burks at point with Kemba and Rose out...

and whrn i said Trade Randle, i said if he didnt take a backseat scoring wise and relied on Defense, Reboinding and moving the ball..He was trying to score to much forcing shots and the others were not getting intl a rythym..

Since then he has taken less shots and moved the ball, in the 2md half on saturday he deferred to the others..

You want to call someone out at least know what your talking about
RE: Jesus  
Del Shofner : 11/29/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15472844 nygiants16 said:
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Fred Katz
@FredKatz
A statistical summary of why the Knicks are pulling Kemba Walker from the rotation:

Knicks have the best defense in the league when he’s on the bench (99.0 DRtg) & are dead last (116.3 DRtg) when he’s on the floor.

They are 27th in offense with him playing, 9th with him off.


Wow. Pretty much had to make the move.
Rj questionable non covid illness  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 3:44 pm : link
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maybe we can put to rest  
djm : 11/29/2021 3:57 pm : link
once and fall all that Thibs won't play kids over vets considering that he just flat out benched a high profile vet star for a kid.
RE: Rj questionable non covid illness  
Del Shofner : 11/29/2021 4:16 pm : link
In comment 15472935 nygiants16 said:
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That's too bad. Wonder who would get his minutes if he's out.

There do seem to be some non-covid bugs going around, I know a couple of people who've been under the weather lately.
RE: RE: Rj questionable non covid illness  
nygiants16 : 11/29/2021 4:19 pm : link
In comment 15472996 Del Shofner said:
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That's too bad. Wonder who would get his minutes if he's out.

There do seem to be some non-covid bugs going around, I know a couple of people who've been under the weather lately.


Id be surprised if he doesnt play, also surprised if Rose doesnt play, if both dont you need Kemba lol..
RJ's questionable for many reasons besides covid  
Greg from LI : 11/29/2021 4:21 pm : link
haha
In all fairness there's 2 nygiants16s  
Stu11 : 11/29/2021 4:32 pm : link
There's game thread nygiants16 which is like my house during the games...then off days nygiants16 with well thought out excellent analysis lol.
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