Sterling Shepard has missed 6 games this year

is he's also one concussion away from forced retirement, imho.

It's really unfortunate, football is a very difficult game.

60 catches may not be JAG, but that average yardage and TD total is.

J-A-G

In comment 15472293 Eric from BBI said:

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60 catches may not be JAG, but that average yardage and TD total is.

I suppose, but stretching the field is not why you keep him around. 60 catches in 10-12 games a year with this anemic offense is pretty good imho, at least.

We'll agree to disagree on this.

The Giants have had a lot of really great slot receivers in recent years (Steve Smith, Victor Cruz).

I don't see anything from Shepard that wows me as a slot receiver, especially in the red zone. What he does now I think you could get from a WR who costs $1-2 million per year.

we all have a short term memory

Shep got a hot start early in his career and was looking promising. And when he did sign he got a contract that was somewhere in the Tyler Boyd / Cole Beasley range so lets not say that we didn't get the going rate for a WR of his caliber.

Also I think people underrate how good Eli was at making WRs better (Nicks, Smith, Cruz ...)

In comment 15472219 Dave in Hoboken said:

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I wonder who signed him at those hilariously bad contract terms. Oh, that's right.

Our future ex-GM and our future GM.

We’re fucked.

👎

by Giants fans. Aside from injuries (which is a lot) he's the epitome of mediocre, but relative to the Gettleman era roster he has been one of our top targets. I think a lot of fans can't see him for what he is in absolute terms or relative to starters across the league.

Giants vision was a bit clouded on him.

He was their best Wide Receiver, in a sea of trash wide receivers.

On any other team, hes a JAG slot WR. Injury prone on that.

It's a shame the cap was in such disarray that they had to restructure him. They drafted his replacement, who in limited time, is more a threat to an NFL defense.

In comment 15472204 japanhead said:

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he needs to go. unfortunately, the giants have only added other WRs who can't stay on the field (toney, golladay).

Neither can Toney so far....:(

was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.

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That is such a good paint - he played such hardball with both Norman and Steve Smith - both fan favorites, on what their value was to the team

he's always hurt or playing hurt. He's good when healthy, but he hasn't been that since his rookie year. It was a waste of a signing. What's worse is we then signed another guy also know to be injured a lot...who then gets injured. Then Toney. This team is snakebit at wr every year

In comment 15472226 kdog77 said:

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if Shepherd is cut. While it is frustrating to have him miss multiple games due to various leg injuries, Barkley, Golloday and Toney all missed multiple games this year.

And yet, DG/KA chose SS as one of their restructures to make the cap work this year.

Complete fucking dysfunction.

Hurr durr.

but he followed it up by overpaying Shep and Tate. That's the DG era in a nutshell - lot of activity, no achievement.

In comment 15472387 Section331 said:

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was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.

No it wasn't, look at what a WR of his caliber was getting at that time. This was within the ballpark. He hasn't stayed healthy the past 3 years - sure, but his contract wasn't ridiculous.

Receiver.

JAG. Be nice if he could play. But JAG

In comment 15472340 widmerseyebrow said:

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by Giants fans. Aside from injuries (which is a lot) he's the epitome of mediocre, but relative to the Gettleman era roster he has been one of our top targets. I think a lot of fans can't see him for what he is in absolute terms or relative to starters across the league.

Has he been overrated or has he simply been 1 of the fan favorites?

Sometimes liking her player or Suggesting that they're having a good game or a good season is seen by people here As overly flattering... IOW, Reason for verbal fisticuffs.

In comment 15472387 Section331 said:

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was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.

I think the subsequent restructure was worse than the original deal. But yeah, more cap/roster awesomeness from DG.

He is a good player when he plays. Sucks that it is so infrequent

In comment 15472208 Tuckrule said:

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Pretty clear based on his contract he’s a cap casualty this off-season

Indeed, and a worthy replacement he IS. Can't stay on the field either. Didn't he have this problem in school? Plays his butt off, but can't stay well. Of course, all teams have injuries, just seems as if the Giants always have more, at either critical positions, or their most promising players.

or cut him in general after this season. He’s a nice #2/3 level receiver when healthy, but that is a very rare occasion. You can’t pay an above average slot receiver 12-13M per year when they miss 5 games plus every season.

In comment 15472662 TC said:

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In comment 15472208 Tuckrule said: Quote: Pretty clear based on his contract he’s a cap casualty this off-season Indeed, and a worthy replacement he IS. Can't stay on the field either. Didn't he have this problem in school? Plays his butt off, but can't stay well. Of course, all teams have injuries, just seems as if the Giants always have more, at either critical positions, or their most promising players.

It is concerning. I recall one of the draft “experts”, it may have been Kiper, saying Toney is electric but is going to have to learn when some plays are over or he is going to get hurt. That seems to be an accurate observation at the moment.

will save much cutting Shep (using OTC)

2023 is a different story though. His contract doesn't make to let him go until 23, IIRC.

have the same career path due to injuries/games missed, that players rarely come back from/or return to form?

Not to detract from original topic of Shep, but like another had summarized above, Shep has a high ceiling and will only have a few good games a year and then be "nicked up" with something 3/4th the season with some type "injury".

While I'm optimistic about both of their careers being great, there have been countless retired players that had their careers cut short (or just flat out can't play any longer) for similar reasons as Shep/Barkley. The odds are against this guys me thinks.

a year or so ago that if you look at their stats, Shepard is pretty much the same player as Chris Calloway. But Shep came with much higher expectations as a 2nd rounder than Calloway did as a Plan B guy playing mainly with Dave Brown & Danny Kanell.

This guy just can't stay healthy.

He gets those third down catches for firsts that you need. Toney is obviously our best receiver. After we paid Golladay, there may not be a place for Shep anymore. But he's more than solid when healthy.

As Eric noted above — Shepard takes a pay cut or is designated a post-June 1 cut and the Giants save 8.5 and 9.5 in 22/23 respectively.

The amortized portion of his bonus/re-structure will be 4M in each of 22/23 as well.

The Giants need that 8.5M next year and Shepard is a redundant and unreliable player.

but we really need to figure out WTF is happening with our strength and conditioning program. Too many soft tissue injuries and far too many hamstrings this year.

In comment 15472340 widmerseyebrow said:

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by Giants fans. Aside from injuries (which is a lot) he's the epitome of mediocre, but relative to the Gettleman era roster he has been one of our top targets. I think a lot of fans can't see him for what he is in absolute terms or relative to starters across the league.

Yep. Exactly

In comment 15472900 EricJ said:

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but we really need to figure out WTF is happening with our strength and conditioning program. Too many soft tissue injuries and far too many hamstrings this year.

That’s been the case across the league though. I expected this last year with the bizarre offseason, but it’s happening this year instead. Anyone who plays fantasy football knows exactly what I’m talking about. I had one week recently where every one of my 8 starting players that week had a “Q” next to their name. Pretty much all ankle and hamstring injuries.

But not at the numbers he’ll have contract wise. He’s injured far too often plus concussion concerns. He’s gone after this year.

But not at his cap number and not with the amount of games he misses. He'd be a great player to have if he stayed healthy and was paid as a number 3, which is what he really is. I would have to think a new GM views him as potential cap savings.

In comment 15472821 Matt in SGS said:

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a year or so ago that if you look at their stats, Shepard is pretty much the same player as Chris Calloway. But Shep came with much higher expectations as a 2nd rounder than Calloway did as a Plan B guy playing mainly with Dave Brown & Danny Kanell. This guy just can't stay healthy.

Who would you take? Chris Calloway or Sterling Shepard? I'm not sure you take Shepard. Calloway at least plays.

his production at under 10 yards a catch is replaceable by cheaper players and he is overpaid at his cap number even if he was healthy.

The wages of sin: when you don't draft well, you don't evaluate well and you don't scout well, you are overpaying mediocrities.

In comment 15472976 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 15472821 Matt in SGS said: Quote: a year or so ago that if you look at their stats, Shepard is pretty much the same player as Chris Calloway. But Shep came with much higher expectations as a 2nd rounder than Calloway did as a Plan B guy playing mainly with Dave Brown & Danny Kanell. This guy just can't stay healthy. Who would you take? Chris Calloway or Sterling Shepard? I'm not sure you take Shepard. Calloway at least plays.

Calloway, He was more productive in a much more difficult era for WRs.

In comment 15472821 Matt in SGS said:

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a year or so ago that if you look at their stats, Shepard is pretty much the same player as Chris Calloway. But Shep came with much higher expectations as a 2nd rounder than Calloway did as a Plan B guy playing mainly with Dave Brown & Danny Kanell. This guy just can't stay healthy.

I had the same thought and I think it's a great comparison: small receiver who isn't particularly fast or elusive for his size. Reliable hands.

As Eric says, you probably take Calloway between the two as far as availability goes.

to miss about 6 games a year makes his ‘22 value about 8 M, at best, not what it will be. Plus he’ll be a year older and more injury prone.
He’s not a JAG, but his injury susceptibility makes him a neutral or negative value. He can be replaced.

Would really like him if he stayed healthy longer because he could be valuable. Toney makes him expendable

His,contract of 10M signing bonus and 16 guaranteed was not bad for 4 years. Need to not look at the total as it would never go for that long

If they cut him next year post June 1 the savings is 8.5M

His numbers would be too. But he is still injured too much, I would definitely take Calloway.

with good hands and a good downfield blocker. But not worth his original $10 mill contract and one of the worst restructures they have made.

Just a prime example why DG and Abrams need to go.

For this entire season. He is the most useless player-great guy-but never in any way contributes to winning and misses a shit ton of games.

after drafting a WR in the first round is mind boggling. But this is what happens when you're perpetually going 'all in' in spite of having a bad roster.

have mentioned "post June 1", I'll point out that the savings/dead money are the same either way. The difference is accounting. Designating the cut as post June 1 merely accelerates the savings while pushing the dead money to the future. Since we are allegedly tight on the cap in 2022, it might make sense to make the cut post June 1, but this means the cap in 2023 is that much less.

The same is true, more or less, with the restructure. Future cap space was borrowed, but his overall contract remains the same. Doesn't matter which bank you borrow from, you've still mortgaged future dollars. Think of it as a post June 1 salary.

In comment 15473886 fkap said:

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have mentioned "post June 1", I'll point out that the savings/dead money are the same either way. The difference is accounting. Designating the cut as post June 1 merely accelerates the savings while pushing the dead money to the future. Since we are allegedly tight on the cap in 2022, it might make sense to make the cut post June 1, but this means the cap in 2023 is that much less. The same is true, more or less, with the restructure. Future cap space was borrowed, but his overall contract remains the same. Doesn't matter which bank you borrow from, you've still mortgaged future dollars. Think of it as a post June 1 salary.

Whatever, the point is he shouldn't have been given the contract he got, shouldn't have been on the team this season and shouldn't have been re-structured.

who were bewildered by the contract he got, so I agree it was an overpay, and it is exacerbated by his inability to stay on the field.

As for the restructure: It sucks that the cap genius Abrams let us get into the situation where we needed to borrow money. But management got us to that point. From there, it really doesn't matter where the money was borrowed from. IIRC, options were limited. We borrowed from future cap. The accounting simply applied it to SS.

with this guy, that's all I got.
I didn't like his deal from the outset!