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Sterling Shepard has missed 6 games this year

Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2021 11:49 am
Games missed:

Weeks 4-5: hamstring
Week 7: hamstring
Weeks 9-12 (includes bye): quad

Games missed due to injury by season:

2016: 0
2017: 5
2018: 0
2019: 6
2020: 4
2021: 5 and counting

Career highs:

Catches: 66 (twice)
Yards: 872
TDs: 8 (rookie season)

He is averaging 58 catches, 640 yards, and 3.5 touchdowns per season.

2022 cap number: $12,495,000
2023 cap number: $13,495,000
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Insane cap numbers...  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/29/2021 11:50 am : link
Even if he stayed on the field, they are unjustified
he's either taking a massive paycut or getting cut  
Eric on Li : 11/29/2021 11:50 am : link
there's no other option, just too unreliable for significant cap allocation.
Yup  
BigBlueJ : 11/29/2021 11:51 am : link
I am hard pressed to remember a more injury prone contract burden player in my life time. We extended him then back loaded his money again. For what? A slot receiver that never plays.
He's a goner  
PEEJ : 11/29/2021 11:51 am : link
unless he takes a pay cut.
i like shepard but he can't stay on the field  
japanhead : 11/29/2021 11:53 am : link
he needs to go.

unfortunately, the giants have only added other WRs who can't stay on the field (toney, golladay).
Paying a JAG big money  
averagejoe : 11/29/2021 11:53 am : link
is the Giants way. He is not worth the money without the injuries. Complete waste of resources.
They drafted Toney to be his replacement  
Tuckrule : 11/29/2021 11:54 am : link
Pretty clear based on his contract he’s a cap casualty this off-season
Horrendous contract.  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/29/2021 11:55 am : link
I wonder who signed him at those hilariously bad contract terms. Oh, that's right.
......  
Route 9 : 11/29/2021 11:56 am : link
Can we bring back Golden Tate please?
$8M dead cap hit in 2022  
kdog77 : 11/29/2021 11:57 am : link
if Shepherd is cut. While it is frustrating to have him miss multiple games due to various leg injuries, Barkley, Golloday and Toney all missed multiple games this year.
Aside from the frequency  
BigBlueShock : 11/29/2021 11:57 am : link
It also always takes him several weeks to return, no matter the injury. And oft injured player that is slow to heal is not ideal.
She….  
thrunthrublue : 11/29/2021 11:58 am : link
Is always hurt.
RE: Aside from the frequency  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2021 11:59 am : link
In comment 15472227 BigBlueShock said:
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It also always takes him several weeks to return, no matter the injury. And oft injured player that is slow to heal is not ideal.


I doubt he actually has a "quad" injury... a month after he got hurt and he still is not practicing. I'm guessing it is his hamstring again.
Shepard contract and restructurings are perfect examples  
Jimmy Googs : 11/29/2021 12:01 pm : link
of egregious roster decisions this Front Office has made.

And I think we are one of the NFL leader's in Front Office egregious decisions over the past several years...
RE: $8M dead cap hit in 2022  
Route 9 : 11/29/2021 12:05 pm : link
In comment 15472226 kdog77 said:
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if Shepherd is cut. While it is frustrating to have him miss multiple games due to various leg injuries, Barkley, Golloday and Toney all missed multiple games this year.


Ok that certainly eases the pain using Barkley as an example
Lot of resources  
JB_in_DC : 11/29/2021 12:06 pm : link
committed to slot WRs and RB. This is not what building from the lines out looks like.
Not to pile on the guy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2021 12:07 pm : link
but every year, we hear, "He looks really good in camp, this is is year!"
RE: Paying a JAG big money  
islander1 : 11/29/2021 12:10 pm : link
In comment 15472207 averagejoe said:
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is the Giants way. He is not worth the money without the injuries. Complete waste of resources.


60 catches a year isn't "JAG".

However he's really only worth half this much due to his inability to stay in the lineup.

He's a good WR2 on a team when healthy. Runs good routes, has good hands.
he's going to miss 16 games next year with the Jints..  
BillKo : 11/29/2021 12:10 pm : link
..because he won't be here.

He's a player that has peaked and probably will only produce diminishing returns the rest of his career.

Future is Toney and I guess due to his contract, Golladay. I'd expect them to draft a WR.
I hate that I’m posting this but  
mako J : 11/29/2021 12:11 pm : link
I find it interesting how he came out of camp like gang busters looking more explosive than ever and now his legs are falling apart. Remember the articles about the staff calling him when Toney was drafted?

Also interesting how the nagging injuries this year seem contagious. Several ankles, then hamstrings, now quads.
...  
ryanmkeane : 11/29/2021 12:11 pm : link
good player when healthy, just can't count on the guy
saddest part about Shep  
islander1 : 11/29/2021 12:12 pm : link
is he's also one concussion away from forced retirement, imho.

It's really unfortunate, football is a very difficult game.
islander1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2021 12:12 pm : link
60 catches may not be JAG, but that average yardage and TD total is.
the essence of overrated regardless of injuries  
Victor in CT : 11/29/2021 12:13 pm : link
J-A-G
RE: islander1  
islander1 : 11/29/2021 12:14 pm : link
In comment 15472293 Eric from BBI said:
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60 catches may not be JAG, but that average yardage and TD total is.


I suppose, but stretching the field is not why you keep him around. 60 catches in 10-12 games a year with this anemic offense is pretty good imho, at least.
islander1  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 11/29/2021 12:18 pm : link
We'll agree to disagree on this.

The Giants have had a lot of really great slot receivers in recent years (Steve Smith, Victor Cruz).

I don't see anything from Shepard that wows me as a slot receiver, especially in the red zone. What he does now I think you could get from a WR who costs $1-2 million per year.
eh - people love to hate on this guy but...  
ImThatGuy : 11/29/2021 12:19 pm : link
we all have a short term memory

Shep got a hot start early in his career and was looking promising. And when he did sign he got a contract that was somewhere in the Tyler Boyd / Cole Beasley range so lets not say that we didn't get the going rate for a WR of his caliber.

Also I think people underrate how good Eli was at making WRs better (Nicks, Smith, Cruz ...)
RE: Horrendous contract.  
The_Boss : 11/29/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15472219 Dave in Hoboken said:
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I wonder who signed him at those hilariously bad contract terms. Oh, that's right.


Our future ex-GM and our future GM.

We’re fucked.

👎
One of the most overrated Giants of the last 5 years  
widmerseyebrow : 11/29/2021 12:21 pm : link
by Giants fans. Aside from injuries (which is a lot) he's the epitome of mediocre, but relative to the Gettleman era roster he has been one of our top targets. I think a lot of fans can't see him for what he is in absolute terms or relative to starters across the league.
.......  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/29/2021 12:23 pm : link
Giants vision was a bit clouded on him.

He was their best Wide Receiver, in a sea of trash wide receivers.

On any other team, hes a JAG slot WR. Injury prone on that.

It's a shame the cap was in such disarray that they had to restructure him. They drafted his replacement, who in limited time, is more a threat to an NFL defense.
RE: i like shepard but he can't stay on the field  
gmen4ever : 11/29/2021 12:26 pm : link
In comment 15472204 japanhead said:
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he needs to go.

unfortunately, the giants have only added other WRs who can't stay on the field (toney, golladay).


Neither can Toney so far....:(
The contract was ridiculous the minute it  
Section331 : 11/29/2021 12:31 pm : link
was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.
....  
CoughlinHandsonHips : 11/29/2021 12:45 pm : link
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The contract was ridiculous the minute it
Section331 : 12:31 pm : link : reply
was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.


That is such a good paint - he played such hardball with both Norman and Steve Smith - both fan favorites, on what their value was to the team
.  
Banks : 11/29/2021 12:51 pm : link
he's always hurt or playing hurt. He's good when healthy, but he hasn't been that since his rookie year. It was a waste of a signing. What's worse is we then signed another guy also know to be injured a lot...who then gets injured. Then Toney. This team is snakebit at wr every year
RE: $8M dead cap hit in 2022  
Gatorade Dunk : 11/29/2021 12:52 pm : link
In comment 15472226 kdog77 said:
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if Shepherd is cut. While it is frustrating to have him miss multiple games due to various leg injuries, Barkley, Golloday and Toney all missed multiple games this year.

And yet, DG/KA chose SS as one of their restructures to make the cap work this year.

Complete fucking dysfunction.
Do the Giants have an injury problem or is that a myth?  
Dave in Hoboken : 11/29/2021 12:54 pm : link
Hurr durr.
We credit DG for trading Odell  
bceagle05 : 11/29/2021 12:59 pm : link
but he followed it up by overpaying Shep and Tate. That's the DG era in a nutshell - lot of activity, no achievement.
RE: The contract was ridiculous the minute it  
ImThatGuy : 11/29/2021 1:03 pm : link
In comment 15472387 Section331 said:
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was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.


No it wasn't, look at what a WR of his caliber was getting at that time. This was within the ballpark. He hasn't stayed healthy the past 3 years - sure, but his contract wasn't ridiculous.
I think Toney could be the next great a Giant Slot  
Simms11 : 11/29/2021 1:13 pm : link
Receiver.
_________  
I am Ninja : 11/29/2021 1:17 pm : link
JAG. Be nice if he could play. But JAG
RE: One of the most overrated Giants of the last 5 years  
Brown_Hornet : 11/29/2021 1:19 pm : link
In comment 15472340 widmerseyebrow said:
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by Giants fans. Aside from injuries (which is a lot) he's the epitome of mediocre, but relative to the Gettleman era roster he has been one of our top targets. I think a lot of fans can't see him for what he is in absolute terms or relative to starters across the league.
Has he been overrated or has he simply been 1 of the fan favorites?

Sometimes liking her player or Suggesting that they're having a good game or a good season is seen by people here As overly flattering... IOW, Reason for verbal fisticuffs.
RE: The contract was ridiculous the minute it  
Enzo : 11/29/2021 1:20 pm : link
In comment 15472387 Section331 said:
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was signed. Most of us were happy to resign Shep, but not at those numbers. It's crazy, about the only thing I thought DG had going for him was that he didn't fall in love with his own players, and was pretty good about holding firm with what he perceived their value to be (see: Norman, Josh). That went out the window with the Giants and some of the albatross contracts he has handed out.

I think the subsequent restructure was worse than the original deal. But yeah, more cap/roster awesomeness from DG.
The contract would be fine if he was on the field  
dancing blue bear : 11/29/2021 1:30 pm : link
He is a good player when he plays. Sucks that it is so infrequent
RE: They drafted Toney to be his replacement  
TC : 11/29/2021 1:47 pm : link
In comment 15472208 Tuckrule said:
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Pretty clear based on his contract he’s a cap casualty this off-season

Indeed, and a worthy replacement he IS. Can't stay on the field either. Didn't he have this problem in school? Plays his butt off, but can't stay well. Of course, all teams have injuries, just seems as if the Giants always have more, at either critical positions, or their most promising players.
They need to significantly reduce his salary  
eric2425ny : 11/29/2021 1:52 pm : link
or cut him in general after this season. He’s a nice #2/3 level receiver when healthy, but that is a very rare occasion. You can’t pay an above average slot receiver 12-13M per year when they miss 5 games plus every season.
RE: RE: They drafted Toney to be his replacement  
eric2425ny : 11/29/2021 1:54 pm : link
In comment 15472662 TC said:
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In comment 15472208 Tuckrule said:


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Pretty clear based on his contract he’s a cap casualty this off-season


Indeed, and a worthy replacement he IS. Can't stay on the field either. Didn't he have this problem in school? Plays his butt off, but can't stay well. Of course, all teams have injuries, just seems as if the Giants always have more, at either critical positions, or their most promising players.


It is concerning. I recall one of the draft “experts”, it may have been Kiper, saying Toney is electric but is going to have to learn when some plays are over or he is going to get hurt. That seems to be an accurate observation at the moment.
It doesn't look like the Giants  
Breeze_94 : 11/29/2021 2:10 pm : link
will save much cutting Shep (using OTC)
Shep is coming back in 2022 unless he retires  
DavidinBMNY : 11/29/2021 2:12 pm : link
2023 is a different story though. His contract doesn't make to let him go until 23, IIRC.
Is it safe to say Barkley will likely...  
Kev in Cali : 11/29/2021 2:27 pm : link
have the same career path due to injuries/games missed, that players rarely come back from/or return to form?

Not to detract from original topic of Shep, but like another had summarized above, Shep has a high ceiling and will only have a few good games a year and then be "nicked up" with something 3/4th the season with some type "injury".

While I'm optimistic about both of their careers being great, there have been countless retired players that had their careers cut short (or just flat out can't play any longer) for similar reasons as Shep/Barkley. The odds are against this guys me thinks.



I jokingly said  
Matt in SGS : 11/29/2021 2:47 pm : link
a year or so ago that if you look at their stats, Shepard is pretty much the same player as Chris Calloway. But Shep came with much higher expectations as a 2nd rounder than Calloway did as a Plan B guy playing mainly with Dave Brown & Danny Kanell.

This guy just can't stay healthy.
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