No QB is going to change the trajectory of this club with the offensive line in the state in which it currently exists.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
Prefer for the time being a Cap Friendly Free Agent as we rebuild this roster (Like a Minshew) and look at the draft in 2023 or 2024.
This is not an argument to keep Jones (so don't take it as that). But right now (as of late November 2021), I'm not sure I see a sure-fired #1 QB in this draft.
As much as I don’t believe he is the future and I’ve started a few
Threads on it, I would roll with him next year and build up the line. Let him play it out and decide afterwards. We need to fortify the line before anyone else is brought in.
Don’t like the QB crop. Don’t want to deal anything for Russ, Watson or Rodgers
that we don't trade away all of our first round picks this year / future first rounders for a high profile QB like Russell Wilson. I think that's a disaster waiting to happen and we have way more issues to address than just QB.
If we're getting a new QB I would want one that we could get for a reasonable price or for them to draft someone. I will say I don't know much about the QBs coming out this year to have a preference.
RE: There is nothing to be gained from moving on...
No QB is going to change the trajectory of this club with the offensive line in the state in which it currently exists.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
great cranky old man post here.
I admit to not being as knowledgeable yet about this draft class
But, on the surface there is not a guy I want to spend a decent pick on. I have seen/heard a lot of suggestions to trade for one of Wilson, Rodgers, or Watson. I absolutely say no to all 3.
Wilson and Rodgers are only the right move if you have a team a QB away from winning it all. We are so far from that it isn't funny. I would rather use the picks necessary to get those guys instead on guys that will improve the overall team (i.e. OL, OLB).
Watson I just wouldn't touch. I'm not trading anything for a guy who very well may be suspended and who hasn't played all year.
RE: I admit to not being as knowledgeable yet about this draft class
But, on the surface there is not a guy I want to spend a decent pick on. I have seen/heard a lot of suggestions to trade for one of Wilson, Rodgers, or Watson. I absolutely say no to all 3.
Wilson and Rodgers are only the right move if you have a team a QB away from winning it all. We are so far from that it isn't funny. I would rather use the picks necessary to get those guys instead on guys that will improve the overall team (i.e. OL, OLB).
Watson I just wouldn't touch. I'm not trading anything for a guy who very well may be suspended and who hasn't played all year.
Plus, Wilson is getting older and has not looked right since coming back from injury.
RE: RE: There is nothing to be gained from moving on...
No QB is going to change the trajectory of this club with the offensive line in the state in which it currently exists.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
great cranky old man post here.
Yeah....I'm cranky....I'm sick of assholes like you.
do a switch for 2022 and that is a VET QB comes in. The problem is, we have high draft picks that we need to help the overall team too.
Now, Seattle is a possibility for Wilson- but no way I give up both 1's. So a trade of Jones, Barkley, a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 3 next year would be doable. That leaves us with a 1,2 and 3 still in this years draft and a chance to build up the Ol and Edge.
But, Wilson isn't what he used to be and his biggest downfall was a bad Oline with Seattle which he would be leaving one situation for the same here. He hasn't shown the ability to raise the play of the Oline.
Rodgers could do that but, he will be VERY expensive and thus unlikely we could fit in the cap.
Watson would be an option IF his legal troubles are cleared up and the cost is less than what the texans were seeking this year. No way I give up 4 #1's, none, zero, ziltch.
One option, which isn't GREAT but, could get us by for a bit and could turn out ok- we send Barkley to Houston along with picks from the Dolphins, the Texans send Watson to Miami and Miami sends Tua to us.
We then trade Jones to Carolina for whatever picks we can get.
This way we keep our draft picks, Miami can get by with sending a lesser pick package and we get a young QB that can move, and is still developing.
RE: RE: RE: There is nothing to be gained from moving on...
No QB is going to change the trajectory of this club with the offensive line in the state in which it currently exists.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
great cranky old man post here.
Yeah....I'm cranky....I'm sick of assholes like you.
lol. what did i ever do other than having a negative view of jones as the QB of the future?
Prefer for the time being a Cap Friendly Free Agent as we rebuild this roster (Like a Minshew) and look at the draft in 2023 or 2024.
This is not an argument to keep Jones (so don't take it as that). But right now (as of late November 2021), I'm not sure I see a sure-fired #1 QB in this draft.
I agree. Because of that, I'd be more inclined not to move on. I'd rather seriously try to improve the OL and front 7 and see where that gets us next year. I would, however, try to have a better QB as the backup or even to potentially challenge Jones.
I'm on record as saying they should and will stick with Jones for next year. It never makes sense to me to go the veteran QB route. I don't see any franchise type QB prospects for this draft, but I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of college football this year. Would like to continue to build/rebuild the team with Jones for the time being.
This year? Probably nobody. I will say the Pitt QB is intriguing.
I think we’re stuck with Jones for 2022. He’ll be thoroughly mediocre then too which I believe will sink Judge and the next HC can decide where to go in 2023 at the position.
any QBs that fall out of the first round. We can either deal Jones or have him fight it out with the new guy. If we deal Jones, bring in a cheap vet to caddy the new guy.
Getting a 2nd or 3rd round QB wouldn't stop me from considering a first round QB in 2023.
They should be looking at all of their options this offseason but I disagree with the notion that we desperately have to move on from Jones this offseason when he is on a cheap 1 year deal. The math would be much different if we were staring down the barrel of his option number or the franchise tag, then OK maybe you have to loosen your standards a little but they can afford to have some patience in 2022.
I'm on record as saying they should and will stick with Jones for next year. It never makes sense to me to go the veteran QB route. I don't see any franchise type QB prospects for this draft, but I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of college football this year. Would like to continue to build/rebuild the team with Jones for the time being.
Not that the situation is exact, but bringing in Collins did result in a SB appearance. It always felt that he was a placeholder, though. I just don't see a vet out there worth the price it's going to take. When Russel had a great OL, he was great. Lately, he's looked like shit, and now he has a shit OL. I don't know...I just feel that you have to build from the lines out. Bill Parcells did it, TC did it, hell even Fassel did it to an extent. You have to win in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. I just don't see a QB change amounting to anything at all and there are no resources I'd part with to get a placeholder veteran and I don't like the prospects in college right now. Compromise if I must, start Jones next year and don't pick up his option. Worse comes to worst, we are paying him top 5 QB money on the tag in 2023. Would that be so bad?
The car looks great in August but the tranny is shot and that "clicking" sound you hear coming from the cylinders is a bad thing...
Build inside out or perpetuate the troubles.
A bad QB can bring down the whole thing. That's where we are. We have had OL guys who have succeeded elsewhere but bomb here. Bad QB play can make it virtually impossible to fix the line.
First, because we don't know who the GM will be next year and second, because somehow the QB who is 26th in QBR is being positioned as "nothing to be gained from moving on" and anyone who disagrees is an entitled brat.
Assuming Gettleman goes and Judge stays, which is the most likely outcome at this point, sign me up for a combination of a veteran backup and a draft pick used to upgrade the QB position. I don't think Jones has the ability to read opposing defenses or look off coverage and his instincts/vision with the ball in his hands as a runner are worrisome. As for whether Jones gets his 5th year option, obviously he gets a chance to compete for the job next year, but based on what we know now, if I were the incoming GM, I'm looking for a gut renovation. 2021 QBR - ( New Window )
Judge is ok with Jones? I get the feeling that the Garrett Judge issue also extended to Jones and by association with DG as well.
Perhaps Garrett getting the heave ho means Judge has won out over DG and perhaps Jones is next (obviously after the season).
I’ve always felt the praise from judge towards Jones was bullshit. If he survives this year, I think we’ll see his true feelings. I know personally if I had to hitch my wagon to Jones for my job survival beyond 2022, I had better be sure I’m renting..
Jimmy G is only 30 and has 1 year left on his contract. The Niners would save $25M on the cap if they cut him in 2022 with little to no dead money. Niners have to play Lance eventually and the Pats are not likely to want him back.
I don't think Jimmy G is much of an upgrade over Jones, but he is probably familiar with Judge and he would be a good locker room leader for relatively young team. Regardless, the Giants need to create some competition for Jones to get a better sense if he really has what it takes or at least give the team the option to go with a veteran QB rather than piss away another year pondering whether it is time to move on from Jones.
I do believe they need to move on from Jones, but I don't feel they can afford to reach for someone just to move on. They reached for Jones himself, IMO, and then watched Herbert and Mac Jones pass them by the next two drafts while we're stuck in bed with Jones. That's the definition of QB hell.
The Giants are in a rebuild mode.
They have to use all their resourses to create a complete team
The team needs to rebuild the OL, obtain a two way TE, find edge rushers , linebackers, and a punter.
Obtaining a QB for a stop gap makes no sense. The cost of the QB would be more than Jones , and the play without the other improvements could be worse.
It does not appear that there is a great QB available in the draft and if there is he will go before the Giants pick
Houston, Detroit, and Philadelphia may draft QBs.
If a QB separates himself from the field he will go before the Giants pick.
The Giants will not move on from Jones. It makes no logical sense.
do a switch for 2022 and that is a VET QB comes in. The problem is, we have high draft picks that we need to help the overall team too.
Now, Seattle is a possibility for Wilson- but no way I give up both 1's. So a trade of Jones, Barkley, a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 3 next year would be doable. That leaves us with a 1,2 and 3 still in this years draft and a chance to build up the Ol and Edge.
But, Wilson isn't what he used to be and his biggest downfall was a bad Oline with Seattle which he would be leaving one situation for the same here. He hasn't shown the ability to raise the play of the Oline.
Rodgers could do that but, he will be VERY expensive and thus unlikely we could fit in the cap.
Watson would be an option IF his legal troubles are cleared up and the cost is less than what the texans were seeking this year. No way I give up 4 #1's, none, zero, ziltch.
One option, which isn't GREAT but, could get us by for a bit and could turn out ok- we send Barkley to Houston along with picks from the Dolphins, the Texans send Watson to Miami and Miami sends Tua to us.
We then trade Jones to Carolina for whatever picks we can get.
This way we keep our draft picks, Miami can get by with sending a lesser pick package and we get a young QB that can move, and is still developing.
There is no way a quality Vet QB like the ones mentioned would consider coming to a team without a quality offensive line, not going to happen. Pipe dream. Keep Danny and all the draft picks and build a freaking line and add pass rushers.. This is what the team needs, we added the weapons on O this year, we need to build the Line and defensive pressure. Anything else IMO is foolish
Jimmy G is only 30 and has 1 year left on his contract. The Niners would save $25M on the cap if they cut him in 2022 with little to no dead money. Niners have to play Lance eventually and the Pats are not likely to want him back.
I don't think Jimmy G is much of an upgrade over Jones, but he is probably familiar with Judge and he would be a good locker room leader for relatively young team. Regardless, the Giants need to create some competition for Jones to get a better sense if he really has what it takes or at least give the team the option to go with a veteran QB rather than piss away another year pondering whether it is time to move on from Jones.
There is no cost savings to this move. In fact it will cost you a lot more to put you right back where you started - a 1yr veteran bridge QB. I don't think Jones is second contract worthy but you're not doing better than 1yr 8m on a veteran starting QB. Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick will earn 12m and 10m this year respectively. That isn't even factoring in the dead money cost in moving on.
The goal should be to upgrade Jones longterm, not marginally upgrade him for 1 year.
its like Deshawn Watson and Lamar Jackson had a baby
I wouldn’t say all THAT. But if I’m taking a chance on a QB this year it’s ONLY Willis. But I’d want him in a trade back into the late 1st round type scenario.
As I stand now, I’m big on OL with the 1st two picks (Neal and Kenyon Green please.)
I'm on record as saying they should and will stick with Jones for next year. It never makes sense to me to go the veteran QB route. I don't see any franchise type QB prospects for this draft, but I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of college football this year. Would like to continue to build/rebuild the team with Jones for the time being.
Not that the situation is exact, but bringing in Collins did result in a SB appearance. It always felt that he was a placeholder, though. I just don't see a vet out there worth the price it's going to take. When Russel had a great OL, he was great. Lately, he's looked like shit, and now he has a shit OL. I don't know...I just feel that you have to build from the lines out. Bill Parcells did it, TC did it, hell even Fassel did it to an extent. You have to win in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. I just don't see a QB change amounting to anything at all and there are no resources I'd part with to get a placeholder veteran and I don't like the prospects in college right now. Compromise if I must, start Jones next year and don't pick up his option. Worse comes to worst, we are paying him top 5 QB money on the tag in 2023. Would that be so bad?
Thats what i would do.. agree 100%
RE: I admit to not being as knowledgeable yet about this draft class
But, on the surface there is not a guy I want to spend a decent pick on. I have seen/heard a lot of suggestions to trade for one of Wilson, Rodgers, or Watson. I absolutely say no to all 3.
Wilson and Rodgers are only the right move if you have a team a QB away from winning it all. We are so far from that it isn't funny. I would rather use the picks necessary to get those guys instead on guys that will improve the overall team (i.e. OL, OLB).
Watson I just wouldn't touch. I'm not trading anything for a guy who very well may be suspended and who hasn't played all year.
Rodgers and Wilson make us an immediate playoff contender
Possibly SB contender if we fill a few other holes
market plays out first - which QB stays with their teams, which ones become available. That could dictate a lot of decisions making.
In this draft, which I think is underrated at QB, I am currently most interested in this trio: Pickett, Willis and Ridder, who is really starting to grow on me.
Nothing special at QB in next year's draft. Several upgrades
The ideal is the Giants find someone in the draft they love (and they're right about). If they don't, I'd love a repeat of the Bears trade down.
I'd urge patience at the QB position. Wait for someone you really like, maybe try and take on a reclamation project in the interim and hope you get lucky.
Getting the QB position right is very, very hard. The real mistake is wasting additional years hoping a bad player turns good.
he's already better then jones. can see him having a rebirth in a new place.
Not saying Trubitsky is the guy but they should definitely have someone like that in as competition for Jones. Mariota is another one that I think makes sense.
I would do it like the Raiders did with Derek Carr and basically let whomever is available of Ridder or Willis in Round 2 fall to them, but if they have a conviction on a guy I am not against a trade up to late Round 1 to get 5th year option. I agree with Sy and others that guys like Willis you do not want playing at all in 2022 unless it is on gimmick plays.
The only QB in 2022 Draft who looks ready to play Week 1 of the season is Pickett IMHO, but I just don't see more than Tannehill/Cousins upside. Corral could play at some point in 2022, but not Week 1, and where he is being mocked now is way too high for what he is worth IMHO. Corral is a Top 15-20 pick at best, not a Top 5 guy.
do a switch for 2022 and that is a VET QB comes in. The problem is, we have high draft picks that we need to help the overall team too.
Now, Seattle is a possibility for Wilson- but no way I give up both 1's. So a trade of Jones, Barkley, a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 3 next year would be doable. That leaves us with a 1,2 and 3 still in this years draft and a chance to build up the Ol and Edge.
But, Wilson isn't what he used to be and his biggest downfall was a bad Oline with Seattle which he would be leaving one situation for the same here. He hasn't shown the ability to raise the play of the Oline.
Rodgers could do that but, he will be VERY expensive and thus unlikely we could fit in the cap.
Watson would be an option IF his legal troubles are cleared up and the cost is less than what the texans were seeking this year. No way I give up 4 #1's, none, zero, ziltch.
One option, which isn't GREAT but, could get us by for a bit and could turn out ok- we send Barkley to Houston along with picks from the Dolphins, the Texans send Watson to Miami and Miami sends Tua to us.
We then trade Jones to Carolina for whatever picks we can get.
This way we keep our draft picks, Miami can get by with sending a lesser pick package and we get a young QB that can move, and is still developing.
There is no way a quality Vet QB like the ones mentioned would consider coming to a team without a quality offensive line, not going to happen. Pipe dream. Keep Danny and all the draft picks and build a freaking line and add pass rushers.. This is what the team needs, we added the weapons on O this year, we need to build the Line and defensive pressure. Anything else IMO is foolish
Ok, first off my solution was the last option.. Secondly, you know nothing about any of those guys and what they WANT so speaking in absolutes is foolish. Wilson wants to build his brand and has been linked to the NY area a few times. I have zero idea on what he ultimately thinks and neither do you.
But, again, my option was the three team trade with Houston and Miami..
Maybe Kenny Pickett in a trade down into the mid 20's
I really don't like this QB class. I don't see a sure fire franchise QB in this group.
Willis is a project QB that is very raw that would have to sit for a year under the guidance and coaching of a QB guru.
Ridder actually intrigues me in the second round.
Having said all that,I think Jones remains next year as our QB and our first 2 picks will be BPA which might be OL and Edge players.
The 2023 QB class is shaping up to be much stronger than the 2022 class with Young,Stroud and Hartman.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
This is not an argument to keep Jones (so don't take it as that). But right now (as of late November 2021), I'm not sure I see a sure-fired #1 QB in this draft.
Don’t like the QB crop. Don’t want to deal anything for Russ, Watson or Rodgers
Same. Get a cheap FA for 1 to 2 years while looking for the next QB in the draft. Basically what the Pats did
If we're getting a new QB I would want one that we could get for a reasonable price or for them to draft someone. I will say I don't know much about the QBs coming out this year to have a preference.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
great cranky old man post here.
Wilson and Rodgers are only the right move if you have a team a QB away from winning it all. We are so far from that it isn't funny. I would rather use the picks necessary to get those guys instead on guys that will improve the overall team (i.e. OL, OLB).
Watson I just wouldn't touch. I'm not trading anything for a guy who very well may be suspended and who hasn't played all year.
Wilson and Rodgers are only the right move if you have a team a QB away from winning it all. We are so far from that it isn't funny. I would rather use the picks necessary to get those guys instead on guys that will improve the overall team (i.e. OL, OLB).
Watson I just wouldn't touch. I'm not trading anything for a guy who very well may be suspended and who hasn't played all year.
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No QB is going to change the trajectory of this club with the offensive line in the state in which it currently exists.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
great cranky old man post here.
Yeah....I'm cranky....I'm sick of assholes like you.
Now, Seattle is a possibility for Wilson- but no way I give up both 1's. So a trade of Jones, Barkley, a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 3 next year would be doable. That leaves us with a 1,2 and 3 still in this years draft and a chance to build up the Ol and Edge.
But, Wilson isn't what he used to be and his biggest downfall was a bad Oline with Seattle which he would be leaving one situation for the same here. He hasn't shown the ability to raise the play of the Oline.
Rodgers could do that but, he will be VERY expensive and thus unlikely we could fit in the cap.
Watson would be an option IF his legal troubles are cleared up and the cost is less than what the texans were seeking this year. No way I give up 4 #1's, none, zero, ziltch.
One option, which isn't GREAT but, could get us by for a bit and could turn out ok- we send Barkley to Houston along with picks from the Dolphins, the Texans send Watson to Miami and Miami sends Tua to us.
We then trade Jones to Carolina for whatever picks we can get.
This way we keep our draft picks, Miami can get by with sending a lesser pick package and we get a young QB that can move, and is still developing.
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No QB is going to change the trajectory of this club with the offensive line in the state in which it currently exists.
Reading BBI posts about it is a master class in determining who has been brought up in the "me first", "I deserve X", and "instant gratification" generations.
great cranky old man post here.
Yeah....I'm cranky....I'm sick of assholes like you.
lol. what did i ever do other than having a negative view of jones as the QB of the future?
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Prefer for the time being a Cap Friendly Free Agent as we rebuild this roster (Like a Minshew) and look at the draft in 2023 or 2024.
This is not an argument to keep Jones (so don't take it as that). But right now (as of late November 2021), I'm not sure I see a sure-fired #1 QB in this draft.
And you're right.
The car looks great in August but the tranny is shot and that "clicking" sound you hear coming from the cylinders is a bad thing...
Build inside out or perpetuate the troubles.
Perhaps Garrett getting the heave ho means Judge has won out over DG and perhaps Jones is next (obviously after the season).
Getting a 2nd or 3rd round QB wouldn't stop me from considering a first round QB in 2023.
I am 100% off the Jones bandwagon.
Not that the situation is exact, but bringing in Collins did result in a SB appearance. It always felt that he was a placeholder, though. I just don't see a vet out there worth the price it's going to take. When Russel had a great OL, he was great. Lately, he's looked like shit, and now he has a shit OL. I don't know...I just feel that you have to build from the lines out. Bill Parcells did it, TC did it, hell even Fassel did it to an extent. You have to win in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. I just don't see a QB change amounting to anything at all and there are no resources I'd part with to get a placeholder veteran and I don't like the prospects in college right now. Compromise if I must, start Jones next year and don't pick up his option. Worse comes to worst, we are paying him top 5 QB money on the tag in 2023. Would that be so bad?
No, he absolutely isn't. I don't get the love for this guy at all.
And you're right.
The car looks great in August but the tranny is shot and that "clicking" sound you hear coming from the cylinders is a bad thing...
Build inside out or perpetuate the troubles.
A bad QB can bring down the whole thing. That's where we are. We have had OL guys who have succeeded elsewhere but bomb here. Bad QB play can make it virtually impossible to fix the line.
Assuming Gettleman goes and Judge stays, which is the most likely outcome at this point, sign me up for a combination of a veteran backup and a draft pick used to upgrade the QB position. I don't think Jones has the ability to read opposing defenses or look off coverage and his instincts/vision with the ball in his hands as a runner are worrisome. As for whether Jones gets his 5th year option, obviously he gets a chance to compete for the job next year, but based on what we know now, if I were the incoming GM, I'm looking for a gut renovation.
2021 QBR - ( New Window )
Perhaps Garrett getting the heave ho means Judge has won out over DG and perhaps Jones is next (obviously after the season).
I’ve always felt the praise from judge towards Jones was bullshit. If he survives this year, I think we’ll see his true feelings. I know personally if I had to hitch my wagon to Jones for my job survival beyond 2022, I had better be sure I’m renting..
I don't think Jimmy G is much of an upgrade over Jones, but he is probably familiar with Judge and he would be a good locker room leader for relatively young team. Regardless, the Giants need to create some competition for Jones to get a better sense if he really has what it takes or at least give the team the option to go with a veteran QB rather than piss away another year pondering whether it is time to move on from Jones.
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and that would prove absolutely nothing. Jones would still be an awful QB and not worth a half a decade of patience.
They have to use all their resourses to create a complete team
The team needs to rebuild the OL, obtain a two way TE, find edge rushers , linebackers, and a punter.
Obtaining a QB for a stop gap makes no sense. The cost of the QB would be more than Jones , and the play without the other improvements could be worse.
It does not appear that there is a great QB available in the draft and if there is he will go before the Giants pick
Houston, Detroit, and Philadelphia may draft QBs.
If a QB separates himself from the field he will go before the Giants pick.
The Giants will not move on from Jones. It makes no logical sense.
Now, Seattle is a possibility for Wilson- but no way I give up both 1's. So a trade of Jones, Barkley, a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 3 next year would be doable. That leaves us with a 1,2 and 3 still in this years draft and a chance to build up the Ol and Edge.
But, Wilson isn't what he used to be and his biggest downfall was a bad Oline with Seattle which he would be leaving one situation for the same here. He hasn't shown the ability to raise the play of the Oline.
Rodgers could do that but, he will be VERY expensive and thus unlikely we could fit in the cap.
Watson would be an option IF his legal troubles are cleared up and the cost is less than what the texans were seeking this year. No way I give up 4 #1's, none, zero, ziltch.
One option, which isn't GREAT but, could get us by for a bit and could turn out ok- we send Barkley to Houston along with picks from the Dolphins, the Texans send Watson to Miami and Miami sends Tua to us.
We then trade Jones to Carolina for whatever picks we can get.
This way we keep our draft picks, Miami can get by with sending a lesser pick package and we get a young QB that can move, and is still developing.
There is no way a quality Vet QB like the ones mentioned would consider coming to a team without a quality offensive line, not going to happen. Pipe dream. Keep Danny and all the draft picks and build a freaking line and add pass rushers.. This is what the team needs, we added the weapons on O this year, we need to build the Line and defensive pressure. Anything else IMO is foolish
I don't think Jimmy G is much of an upgrade over Jones, but he is probably familiar with Judge and he would be a good locker room leader for relatively young team. Regardless, the Giants need to create some competition for Jones to get a better sense if he really has what it takes or at least give the team the option to go with a veteran QB rather than piss away another year pondering whether it is time to move on from Jones.
There is no cost savings to this move. In fact it will cost you a lot more to put you right back where you started - a 1yr veteran bridge QB. I don't think Jones is second contract worthy but you're not doing better than 1yr 8m on a veteran starting QB. Tyrod Taylor and Ryan Fitzpatrick will earn 12m and 10m this year respectively. That isn't even factoring in the dead money cost in moving on.
The goal should be to upgrade Jones longterm, not marginally upgrade him for 1 year.
As I stand now, I’m big on OL with the 1st two picks (Neal and Kenyon Green please.)
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I'm on record as saying they should and will stick with Jones for next year. It never makes sense to me to go the veteran QB route. I don't see any franchise type QB prospects for this draft, but I'll admit I haven't watched a ton of college football this year. Would like to continue to build/rebuild the team with Jones for the time being.
Not that the situation is exact, but bringing in Collins did result in a SB appearance. It always felt that he was a placeholder, though. I just don't see a vet out there worth the price it's going to take. When Russel had a great OL, he was great. Lately, he's looked like shit, and now he has a shit OL. I don't know...I just feel that you have to build from the lines out. Bill Parcells did it, TC did it, hell even Fassel did it to an extent. You have to win in the trenches, on both sides of the ball. I just don't see a QB change amounting to anything at all and there are no resources I'd part with to get a placeholder veteran and I don't like the prospects in college right now. Compromise if I must, start Jones next year and don't pick up his option. Worse comes to worst, we are paying him top 5 QB money on the tag in 2023. Would that be so bad?
Thats what i would do.. agree 100%
Wilson and Rodgers are only the right move if you have a team a QB away from winning it all. We are so far from that it isn't funny. I would rather use the picks necessary to get those guys instead on guys that will improve the overall team (i.e. OL, OLB).
Watson I just wouldn't touch. I'm not trading anything for a guy who very well may be suspended and who hasn't played all year.
Rodgers and Wilson make us an immediate playoff contender
Possibly SB contender if we fill a few other holes
In this draft, which I think is underrated at QB, I am currently most interested in this trio: Pickett, Willis and Ridder, who is really starting to grow on me.
too early...
I'd urge patience at the QB position. Wait for someone you really like, maybe try and take on a reclamation project in the interim and hope you get lucky.
Getting the QB position right is very, very hard. The real mistake is wasting additional years hoping a bad player turns good.
Not saying Trubitsky is the guy but they should definitely have someone like that in as competition for Jones. Mariota is another one that I think makes sense.
The only QB in 2022 Draft who looks ready to play Week 1 of the season is Pickett IMHO, but I just don't see more than Tannehill/Cousins upside. Corral could play at some point in 2022, but not Week 1, and where he is being mocked now is way too high for what he is worth IMHO. Corral is a Top 15-20 pick at best, not a Top 5 guy.
Not sure who is available on FA market.
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do a switch for 2022 and that is a VET QB comes in. The problem is, we have high draft picks that we need to help the overall team too.
Now, Seattle is a possibility for Wilson- but no way I give up both 1's. So a trade of Jones, Barkley, a 1 and 3 this year and a 1 and 3 next year would be doable. That leaves us with a 1,2 and 3 still in this years draft and a chance to build up the Ol and Edge.
But, Wilson isn't what he used to be and his biggest downfall was a bad Oline with Seattle which he would be leaving one situation for the same here. He hasn't shown the ability to raise the play of the Oline.
Rodgers could do that but, he will be VERY expensive and thus unlikely we could fit in the cap.
Watson would be an option IF his legal troubles are cleared up and the cost is less than what the texans were seeking this year. No way I give up 4 #1's, none, zero, ziltch.
One option, which isn't GREAT but, could get us by for a bit and could turn out ok- we send Barkley to Houston along with picks from the Dolphins, the Texans send Watson to Miami and Miami sends Tua to us.
We then trade Jones to Carolina for whatever picks we can get.
This way we keep our draft picks, Miami can get by with sending a lesser pick package and we get a young QB that can move, and is still developing.
There is no way a quality Vet QB like the ones mentioned would consider coming to a team without a quality offensive line, not going to happen. Pipe dream. Keep Danny and all the draft picks and build a freaking line and add pass rushers.. This is what the team needs, we added the weapons on O this year, we need to build the Line and defensive pressure. Anything else IMO is foolish
Ok, first off my solution was the last option.. Secondly, you know nothing about any of those guys and what they WANT so speaking in absolutes is foolish. Wilson wants to build his brand and has been linked to the NY area a few times. I have zero idea on what he ultimately thinks and neither do you.
But, again, my option was the three team trade with Houston and Miami..
Willis is a project QB that is very raw that would have to sit for a year under the guidance and coaching of a QB guru.
Ridder actually intrigues me in the second round.
Having said all that,I think Jones remains next year as our QB and our first 2 picks will be BPA which might be OL and Edge players.
The 2023 QB class is shaping up to be much stronger than the 2022 class with Young,Stroud and Hartman.