Other Giants RB's better than Barkley?

Barkley is what he is. He is not a ground and pound guy. He is a finesse runner where 8 out of his 10 runs will result in either gaining 1 yard, 0 yards or negative yards. His 2 out of 10 runs will result in big gains which boosts his YPC to over 4. At this point I don't know if he should be a feature RB and not a third down specialist.

Each of those guys had about 1 game where they looked a good deal better. for the most part, each of those guys sucked behind this OL and it's prior shitty iterations.

In comment 15472808 compton said:

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Barkley is what he is. He is not a ground and pound guy. He is a finesse runner where 8 out of his 10 runs will result in either gaining 1 yard, 0 yards or negative yards. His 2 out of 10 runs will result in big gains which boosts his YPC to over 4. At this point I don't know if he should be a feature RB and not a third down specialist.

I vote for 3rd down specialist but don’t expect him to pass block. Maybe he is a slot receiver or, for those of you old enough to remember, a “wingback”.

physical attributes or home-run ability. No. But they can make yardage between the tackles, block and help you create drives that can result in scores and take time off the clock. For a fraction of what extending Barkley would cost. Plus, for the most part, they stay a lot healthier than him.

Its usually the 2nd year back they regain form. Right now he is a shell of what he was. He's mentally learning to trust his knee again on cuts, learning to see the holes again, and trusting himself to not reinjure himself.

Next year we will see if he's back or not. Also, in my opinion, even in this 50% state he is still better that whatever else we have. He still is the only one who offers that breakout threat

If we are being honest, I don't think anybody would want to go into a season with any of those guys as their primary RB over Barkley. That said, I don't think I would be upset if Barkley was no longer our primary RB, and I am someone who really wanted to draft him.

who can block and catch at a reasonable salary. Barkley will have a great run once in a while but disappears much of the time. Not worth the money.

Saquon is a bust. Its time to cut bait and move on. Modern NFL offenses rely upon a stable of running backs. Overconcentrating your RB allocation to one player is a recipe for disaster. We cannot continue to pay an average player the way we pay Saquon.

As for the tweet itself, I think there is some hyperbole there but its not wrong. Booker has been better than Saquon this season.

I want Barkley to return to his old self. Would live him to show his 2018 form.

But my reasons are to increase his trade value. Because right now, I doubt he has a big market.

However, if he does regain his form, that's only going to inspire Mara to re-sign him, which would be a colossal mistake.

not only because of his speed and agility but also his power.
At over 230 lbs., with huge quads, he never knocks a tackler over. If he doesn't elude them he's stopped real early.
I suppose there is still hope that when he is fully recovered
he may prove us all wrong.

but barkley has been one of the most disappointing top ten pick the giants have made in my lifetime (the other being daniel jones the following year). i guess cedric jones was arguably worse, but at least there wasn't the fear that the front office would give him a second contract.

In comment 15472945 japanhead said:

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but barkley has been one of the most disappointing top ten pick the giants have made in my lifetime (the other being daniel jones the following year). i guess cedric jones was arguably worse, but at least there wasn't the fear that the front office would give him a second contract.

How quickly they forget. Eli Apple. Ereck Flowers. (well, Ron Dayne just missed out at 11). And none of those guys tore up a knee.

won't be a 3rd down back for long. This is one of the worst pieces of film any two Giants, in my lifetime, have been a part of and the poster video for the Gettleman years.
Jamal Adams strips the ball right from Daniel Jones and takes it 25 yards for the touchdown. - ( New Window )

...the Giants front office have masterfully built some of the greatest offensive lines in Giants history over the last decade, only to be foiled by horrendous play from skill position players. Trade Jones, Barkley and all the Wide Receivers, give these O-lineman talent that matches their awesomeness!

But our great GM and a number of posters on this very site proclaimed him to be a future Hall of Famer before even taking the field his rookie year. Looks like they were wrong....again.

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he'd be picked up and given at least 10-15 touches by nearly every single team in the NFL.

Gallman isn't even on a roster.

He's been back for 2 games after missing the most of the last 2 seasons. That's not excuse making. That's facts. Even now he's the best RB this team has had in years.

The OL blows. The QB blows. The offense blows. Barkley not going for 180 all purpose yards after 2 weeks back doesn't mean he blows too.

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In comment 15472984 arniefez said:

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won't be a 3rd down back for long. This is one of the worst pieces of film any two Giants, in my lifetime, have been a part of and the poster video for the Gettleman years. Jamal Adams strips the ball right from Daniel Jones and takes it 25 yards for the touchdown. - ( New Window )

that's our #2 and #6 overall right there, getting their lunch money taken away by a bully. unbelievable. what do they talk about on the sideline after that play?

He just hasn't been healthy since. Which --as everyone but DG knows, is the argument against taking an RB that high.


Worse, I think his body may be mostly rehabbed now, but, mentally he's forgotten (or never really learned) how to run between the tackles -- where there's very little room given this OL. And he seems to go down if you breath on him.

Prior to his injury, he was trying to learn that a 4 yard carry was a positive play. He's forgotten that again. He's always looking for the big play (can't blame him for that), but it takes mental maturity to learn to live to fight another day. Just like Jones is finally throwing the ball away when the play isn't there.

Wayne Gallman was a LOT more effective when Barkley went down because he knew how to move the chains, and wasn't a home run threat. The running game actually improved when Barkley went down with the ACL.

At this point, until the Giants fix the OL and find an OC who can figure out how to use Barkley like the Rams used to use Marshall Falk, Barkley's wasting his career here. (And Jones isn't going to get any better until that happens either).

I'd happily trade Barkley to a team with a good OL for a bunch of picks -- or better still, existing NFL starter-quality OLs or pass rushers. Barkley is still very young, and the Giants can get another chain-moving RB anywhere (when does Brightwell get some touches? His college highlights as a rusher were pretty impressive). There's a lot of holes to fix and Barkley's a tradable asset. But they'd have to do it NOW. Can't see DG trading his hand-picked golden-jacket boy.

OTOH, at this point, I can't see how they'd give Barkley him a big contract given his last two years. If they bring in a new GM and OC, I could see a prove-it deal (he's certainly got some shit to prove), but I don't know why he'd agree to that.

In comment 15472984 arniefez said:

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won't be a 3rd down back for long. This is one of the worst pieces of film any two Giants, in my lifetime, have been a part of and the poster video for the Gettleman years. Jamal Adams strips the ball right from Daniel Jones and takes it 25 yards for the touchdown. - ( New Window )

Interesting because that debacle of a play was pre-ACL injury and I’ve been told that Barkley was some kind of God-human adonis before then…

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Fuck off.

In comment 15473100 djm said:

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Yes he’s just hitting his stride. Now fuck off. Miserable fuck.

It’s comical and stupid for someone to speculate that Barkley may need a few weeks of play here to get cranked up. Not allowed to say that I guess.

Just be a windbag who says the same shit day after day because that’s welcome and so informative.

Sorry I can’t do that. I think Barkley has a few big games in him down the stretch. Reps matter. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t give a fuck, i speak my mind and don’t echo the same tired shit here.

What definition do you use for "a few"? We're heading into game 12.

....and I hope he wins some more games for us this year, but I just don't see over the long haul him being that guy for us.

If it's not injuries it's going to be bad pass pro, or tripping over his OL's legs, or shying away from contact.

Even yesterday, my friend watching at the game after Barkley's long run - why did he run OB and not put his shoulder into the Eagle tackler?

I see RBs throughout the league who look better than him, and whether it's bad luck or whatever, it ends up being a bad draft pick by DG considering where he was taken.

I want to see Brightwell, who may also approach the line better than SB.

In comment 15473113 djm said:

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It’s comical and stupid for someone to speculate that Barkley may need a few weeks of play here to get cranked up. Not allowed to say that I guess. Just be a windbag who says the same shit day after day because that’s welcome and so informative. Sorry I can’t do that. I think Barkley has a few big games in him down the stretch. Reps matter. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t give a fuck, i speak my mind and don’t echo the same tired shit here.

You know, I also think he may need a few weeks of play here to get cranked up too. Except that means he probably won't be hitting his stride for a few weeks, not yesterday like somebody suggested.

I don't echo the same shit either...

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What definition do you use for "a few"? We're heading into game 12.

So you’re saying backs don’t do better as they get more and more reps.

Fine. Enjoy the misery. I’m done.

In comment 15473139 Jimmy Googs said:

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In comment 15473113 djm said: Quote: It’s comical and stupid for someone to speculate that Barkley may need a few weeks of play here to get cranked up. Not allowed to say that I guess. Just be a windbag who says the same shit day after day because that’s welcome and so informative. Sorry I can’t do that. I think Barkley has a few big games in him down the stretch. Reps matter. Maybe I’m wrong but I don’t give a fuck, i speak my mind and don’t echo the same tired shit here. You know, I also think he may need a few weeks of play here to get cranked up too. Except that means he probably won't be hitting his stride for a few weeks, not yesterday like somebody suggested. I don't echo the same shit either...

What?

Don’t bother. Some of you just can’t allow for any optimism. Keep fighting the good fight. I’m done have a good night. This place drags me down on days like today. Who needs it.

to run through in the NFL and they close quickly. As to the original question being a 64yo, Ron Johnson, Joe Morris, Otis Anderson, Rodney Hampton, Tiki Barber, Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw. I may have missed a few.

I've soured on Saquon. He dances too much & isn't the same dude he was his rookie season. Injuries have taken their toll. We'd be foolish to give him a second contract. Foolish. Just look @ CM with Carolina...

Barkley has Paul Perkins beat even though Paul Perkins was on this team for like 6 years.

In comment 15473025 djm said:

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he'd be picked up and given at least 10-15 touches by nearly every single team in the NFL. Gallman isn't even on a roster. He's been back for 2 games after missing the most of the last 2 seasons. That's not excuse making. That's facts. Even now he's the best RB this team has had in years. The OL blows. The QB blows. The offense blows. Barkley not going for 180 all purpose yards after 2 weeks back doesn't mean he blows too.

Gallman is on the Falcons and has a 3.7 average per carry - which Barkley hasn't done since 2019

In comment 15473247 Ike#88 said:

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to run through in the NFL and they close quickly. As to the original question being a 64yo, Ron Johnson, Joe Morris, Otis Anderson, Rodney Hampton, Tiki Barber, Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw. I may have missed a few.

It may have been a different era, but looking at old games of Joe Morris again, wow. He was better than Barkley, the eyes don't lie. He's got to be one of the more underrated Giants in history.

Barkley is turning 25 this offseason in February. At his injury rate, and especially with the ACL, he probably has 2 serviceable years left and it's unlikely either will be for the full 17 games a year. Todd Gurley, who just turned 27 this summer, is out of the league after only 6 season. Given what we know about his injury record and that he hasn't played a full season since his rookie year, it's just hard to imagine him being a bellcow in a year or two.

In comment 15473247 Ike#88 said:

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to run through in the NFL and they close quickly. As to the original question being a 64yo, Ron Johnson, Joe Morris, Otis Anderson, Rodney Hampton, Tiki Barber, Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw. I may have missed a few.

Add Mel Triplett, Frank Gifford, Kyle Rote, Alex Webster, Joe Morrison, Phil King,
Tucker Frederickson, Bobby Duhon, Charlie Evans, to the list.

He’s a finesse back with a litany of flaws. Bradshaw/Jacobs were the exact opposite of Barkley in every way and were much more effective runners. Barkley is essentially in the David Wilson bucket at this point.

In comment 15473368 sharp315 said:

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Barkley is turning 25 this offseason in February. At his injury rate, and especially with the ACL, he probably has 2 serviceable years left and it's unlikely either will be for the full 17 games a year. Todd Gurley, who just turned 27 this summer, is out of the league after only 6 season. Given what we know about his injury record and that he hasn't played a full season since his rookie year, it's just hard to imagine him being a bellcow in a year or two.

Gurley had serious knee arthritis issues prior to even joining the NFL. Barkley could, in theory, recover from the ACL and be pretty close to his rookie ability. I don’t think he ever will, but other people have overcome this injury and remained pretty damn good, but maybe it’s not a fair expectation.

In comment 15473589 Dave in PA said:

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In comment 15473368 sharp315 said: Quote: Barkley is turning 25 this offseason in February. At his injury rate, and especially with the ACL, he probably has 2 serviceable years left and it's unlikely either will be for the full 17 games a year. Todd Gurley, who just turned 27 this summer, is out of the league after only 6 season. Given what we know about his injury record and that he hasn't played a full season since his rookie year, it's just hard to imagine him being a bellcow in a year or two. Gurley had serious knee arthritis issues prior to even joining the NFL. Barkley could, in theory, recover from the ACL and be pretty close to his rookie ability. I don’t think he ever will, but other people have overcome this injury and remained pretty damn good, but maybe it’s not a fair expectation.

And you and I could share the Megaball lottery next week too
About as much chance of Barkley changing from a Duck to a Swan

He is what he is. There was a scouting report since removed from the internet,or I just cant find it (I'll keep looking) that said Barkley at Penn State did not like contact at all, and will even turn his back at an oncoming blitzer
Thats pathetic when we had the #2 pick in the draft....Awful

Does Gettleman and his staff not go on the internet and find the same information I googled with a few clicks

He was dancing before the injury and will dance away his career in the NFL. I dont see him having an epiphany

his strengths and weaknesses

I guess Dave G chose to ignore the later, and we have all payed for it. He is not going to change, and its not the knee thats holding him back


Link - ( New Window )

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won't be a 3rd down back for long. This is one of the worst pieces of film any two Giants, in my lifetime, have been a part of and the poster video for the Gettleman years. Jamal Adams strips the ball right from Daniel Jones and takes it 25 yards for the touchdown. - ( New Window )

Nowhere near "The Miracle of the Meadowlands," and I mean not close at all.

Was the best Giant blocking back

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won't be a 3rd down back for long. This is one of the worst pieces of film any two Giants, in my lifetime, have been a part of and the poster video for the Gettleman years. Jamal Adams strips the ball right from Daniel Jones and takes it 25 yards for the touchdown. - ( New Window )

Good Grief! He tossed Barkley around like a rag doll
IT looked like a Lawrence Taylor attack

How can you blame that on Jones? Barkley opened the gate and Jones got mugged. Barkley looked like a Pee Wee player on that one

Never saw Wayne Gallman get abused like that LOL

Just Sayin

Your right, unless you put him in the slot, Barkley should not be a 3rd down option

Gifford played RB and WR

Maybe its time to switch Barkley to the slot position and have him run routes

He is fast, elusive and has good hands at the least he would draw a lot of attention and free up our WRs

Maybe that would solve this whole delemna

Put Booker back as RB and alternate him with Penny

There you go problem solved, even for Gettleman