Lots of needs to address (SS, C, CF, SP and BP depth) but they've been extremely quiet thus far. A deal with Oakland for Olson and Manea would go a long way but hard to pull off without including Volpe or Peraza (assume JDom would be off limits). Can't see that happening without signing one of the remaining top SS's. I don't think they're in on Correa but I could see them quietly pursuing Story (although I do think it's highly unlikely).
Not ready to get all doom and gloom but it's hard to get excited about this team going into next season if their offseason primarily consists of resigning Rizzo, signing Simmons and adding cheap depth elsewhere. I was surprised they didn't pull off a deal with Pittsburgh for Stallings. Seemed like a great fit and the return they got from the Marlins shouldn't have been prohibitive.
What does everyone else think about where they're headed this offseason? Are they just sitting idle until the lockout due to Hal's fear of a lower luxury tax threshold or are they going to swoop in beforehand?
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.
Great player, true.
Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.
Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter
We care - fuck him.
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.
Great player, true.
Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.
Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter
We care - fuck him.
Lol you gonna hate him when he actually.puts the fuckin ball in play come playoff time? We need offense
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.
Great player, true.
Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.
Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter
We care - fuck him.
Lol you gonna hate him when he actually.puts the fuckin ball in play come playoff time? We need offense
Could care less. Sign somewhere else for $360/10 years.
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.
Great player, true.
Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.
Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter
We care - fuck him.
Lol you gonna hate him when he actually.puts the fuckin ball in play come playoff time? We need offense
Could care less. Sign somewhere else for $360/10 years.
Okay.
.so make no moves and we can all cry together when they have an early playoff exit if they even get there
Hal is really detached from reality if he doesn't realize how much his fan base hates rooting for his current roster. If the plan is to run back most of the same position players in 2022 and add a few more Cashman dumpster dive specials his sterile mall that he thinks passes as a baseball stadium is going to be as empty as most of the malls around the country.
Okay.
.so make no moves and we can all cry together when they have an early playoff exit if they even get there
Where did I say that? Go after Olson and Murphy. Get a CF. Story - meh - I'm ok with that.
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.so make no moves and we can all cry together when they have an early playoff exit if they even get there
Where did I say that? Go after Olson and Murphy. Get a CF. Story - meh - I'm ok with that.
Oakland is dumping salary...they arent gonna take on our trash(voit and sanchez)
Story isnt correa.
This roster is hard to root for and its even harder seeing teams making moves to improve daily.
Mets havent won shit but they improved their team in a major way last 2 seasons. Yanks may be the little brothers soon.
Oakland is dumping salary...they arent gonna take on our trash(voit and sanchez)
Story isnt correa.
This roster is hard to root for and its even harder seeing teams making moves to improve daily.
Mets havent won shit but they improved their team in a major way last 2 seasons. Yanks may be the little brothers soon.
Stop trying so hard, but yes, the roster is terrible as constructed.
The Mets keep hoping, but they won't.
Hal is really detached from reality if he doesn't realize how much his fan base hates rooting for his current roster. If the plan is to run back most of the same position players in 2022 and add a few more Cashman dumpster dive specials his sterile mall that he thinks passes as a baseball stadium is going to be as empty as most of the malls around the country.
Why wouldn't we attach salary if that's part of OAK's deal? Sanchez is a multi time all star and Voit was HR champion. They aren't scrubs. And they are the sugar to help sell the deal to their fans. They are valuable at those salaries but they are also filler, the real point is acquire prospects. That's where it would cost.
I feel the Yanks dodged a bullet here. As much as we all want stingy Hal to open his wallet and spend some of these money that he’s 0% responsible for, there is still such a thing as asset allocation. Why give an injury-prone SS 300M when the two top prospects in your system are SS’s and you have holes everywhere except for DH and RF, whom you’ve yet to extend?
Let Cashman work a little, anybody can build a good roster with a budget of 250M. Well…..
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yet, but still spending 10% more on payroll than any other team in MLB.
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Where are you getting that from?
If Kiner-Falefa is available now that TEX inked Seager, I'd look there.
I could live with Correa. I think he's good, but the term will be long and the injury history scares me. (IMO, Seager's seemed more like one-offs. Correa's chronic back issues in his mid 20s are far more concerning to me)
I could also live with Story, but not anywhere near the type of years or dollars these other SS have received.
Beginning to feel? hahah. yeah, definitely.
Yankees were an absolute monster in revenues, far greater than most other teams but had similar payrolls to those teams. Covid hurt them badly and Hal is no Steve Cohen. Their family wealth comes primarily from owning the Yankees.
So every move they've made since signing Cole has been about controlling expenses so that the family can squeeze money out of the team. That's well within their right, but this is not the team I grew up rooting for.
I'll be shocked if there are any big deals this offseason. My expectation is that we will continue to control costs and Cashman will dumpster dive.
Yankees. Love it or hate it, I think he might have been the Yankees target the entire time and teams know it. There’s a lot of pros and cons for him honestly I’m indifferent on it.
I like Bryant's bat and versatility. He's being linked to Seattle and Toronto though.
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yet, but still spending 10% more on payroll than any other team in MLB.
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Where are you getting that from?
It's incorrect. The Mets have the highest payroll in the sport.
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I had thought Barnhart (traded to #Tigers), Jacob Stallings (#Marlins), Manny Pina (#Braves) and Yan Gomes (#Cubs) were decent options for the #Yankees to team with Higashioka if they let Sanchez go. Are they letting Sanchez go? Have to 8pm today to tender him a 2022 contract.
Looks like they will sign a stopgap like a Simmons or Galvis
for short money/term.
They apparently like their SS prospects.
They better be right on that, you are never going to see another SS class of free agents available again like this year,
and you can book it Dano. I am not saying they should have signed one to a huge deal, stating what is obvious.
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Defense is underrated. Bring back Rizzo, sign Simmons. They need to go hard after pitching though. This should be a retooling the system year. Chapman, Britton, and Gallo should be sold at the deadline to contenders for some prospects. Retool. Spend next offseason when that 40 million comes off the books.
They should really be looking at good young defensive catchers with any kind of offensive upside. We need to fill in the holes on this team that lead to inefficient play. Like having 30 right handed guys who K, BB, and HR only. More variety of approaches at the plate, better fielding, younger and better pitching. And maybe some fucking lefties please?
Rizzo did nothing for me. Good glove, yes. Bat is ok. They need to go after Olsen if possible.
I'll take Rizzo over the injury prone Voit, adds so much
to the inner defense having him over there. Even if he has
slipped a bit with the bat, the deal won't be huge either.
Probably in the 70-75 mill. range I would guess?
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I had thought Barnhart (traded to #Tigers), Jacob Stallings (#Marlins), Manny Pina (#Braves) and Yan Gomes (#Cubs) were decent options for the #Yankees to team with Higashioka if they let Sanchez go. Are they letting Sanchez go? Have to 8pm today to tender him a 2022 contract.
They should consider a trade for Contreras from the Cubs?
The Cubs signed Gomes for two years. If not consider Pina,
I thought they blew it, snoozing on Barnhart myself.
He's a left handed bat too. Another year of Sanchez, say it
ain't so! I wanted them to non-tender him LAST year.
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I had thought Barnhart (traded to #Tigers), Jacob Stallings (#Marlins), Manny Pina (#Braves) and Yan Gomes (#Cubs) were decent options for the #Yankees to team with Higashioka if they let Sanchez go. Are they letting Sanchez go? Have to 8pm today to tender him a 2022 contract.
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They should consider a trade for Contreras from the Cubs?
The Cubs signed Gomes for two years. If not consider Pina,
I thought they blew it, snoozing on Barnhart myself.
He's a left handed bat too. Another year of Sanchez, say it
ain't so! I wanted them to non-tender him LAST year.
According to a buddy of mine who's a Cubs fan, Cubs top catching prospect had to have TJ surgery. Unlikely they will take the chance of trading Contreras
I'm not happy with the dumpster diving Steinbrenners, but it's really the same issue as with the Giants. When your entire family wealth is tied up into a sports team, it's not financially prudent to go the extra mile or two money-wise.
I'm not happy with the dumpster diving Steinbrenners, but it's really the same issue as with the Giants. When your entire family wealth is tied up into a sports team, it's not financially prudent to go the extra mile or two money-wise.
While the reasoning is different the post 2011 Giants are an apt comparison for the current Yankees. Both front offices think the team is closer than they actually are so they it's half measure after half measure. There are enough fans that buy in to what they're selling that they can get away with it.
According to a buddy of mine who's a Cubs fan, Cubs top catching prospect had to have TJ surgery. Unlikely they will take the chance of trading Contreras
That's why they signed Gomes though. Contreras will bring a good enough return that for a rebuilding team it would make sense to fill the spot cheaply for a year so you can still go ahead and trade Contreras for prospects
Why Happ? Not enough outfielders?
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Why Happ? Not enough outfielders?
Versatility. He can play CF (better overall player than Hicks imo, plus can't be counted on anyways), 2nd, and 3rd. Plus Happ's career OPS vs righties is .842 and Hicks is .757 against lefties. They love that kind of flexibility
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Yankees are definitely interested in Freddie Freeman but like most they have a hard time seeing the Braves let him get away (me: and if he does go, his hometown Dodgers make the most sense)
Word is Freeman had been seeking about $180M for 6 years. Seems reasonable to me. If that’s it, Braves should just pay him.
Did Sanchez get tendered the other day?
Did Sanchez get tendered the other day?
Yes, as did Voit and Andujar....sparkling.
It is ok to not like the player, but don't flat out lie about him.
I've been posting for weeks about the ratio of earnings to payroll under Hal vs 2004 which was the last season George controlled.
Some of you may know some you may not. George had a stroke in the winter of 2003 at Otto Graham's funeral. After the stroke he was never the same and by 2005 Cashman consolidated his power and shut down the Yankees shadow Tampa Front Office and has been in charge ever since. George buying the Yankees in 1973 started the empire and George becoming incapacitated in 2003 began to end it.
“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, …”
It was a hell of a run and it was never boring but at this point it's long over. Hal is just about finished turning the Yankees into a boring unwatchable mess. Meanwhile across town Bobby Alexrod is just getting started and he's making his own mess but it sure isn't boring.
I have mentioned previously in other Yankee threads that the Yanks should try to trade for Wilson Contreas.
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and he jogs after fly balls as if he needs glasses or something. His defense is a serious issue if he's in CF. More than likely he won't stay healthy enough to play much.
It is ok to not like the player, but don't flat out lie about him.
Seriously, Hicks at one point had the best OF arm in the league. Ridiculous statement.
I have mentioned previously in other Yankee threads that the Yanks should try to trade for Wilson Contreas.
Contreas aside, there just isn't anything out there. I want Sanchez moved too. Perhaps this gives then at least a catcher but also the right to trade him. But the combo of Higgy and Sanchez is pretty bad.
It is ok to not like the player, but don't flat out lie about him.
Seriously, Hicks at one point had the best OF arm in the league. Ridiculous statement.
Hicks had lost some velocity on his throws, true, but like a pitcher he needs to build confidence that the elbow doesn't explode on a hard throw and rebuild arm strength too.
Not a fan of Hicks, he's been marginal at the plate so I never saw a reason for 7 yr contract even with VG CF play. But $10 mill is not big money for a MLB starter. They can also trade him with that reasonable contract in hand.
I have mentioned previously in other Yankee threads that the Yanks should try to trade for Wilson Contreas.
Brutal having to watch Sanchez any longer. Read an article the other day predicting Contreras to Yanks as seems logical.
And would still do it even with the tender out there.