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Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 7:19 pm
Lots of needs to address (SS, C, CF, SP and BP depth) but they've been extremely quiet thus far. A deal with Oakland for Olson and Manea would go a long way but hard to pull off without including Volpe or Peraza (assume JDom would be off limits). Can't see that happening without signing one of the remaining top SS's. I don't think they're in on Correa but I could see them quietly pursuing Story (although I do think it's highly unlikely).

Not ready to get all doom and gloom but it's hard to get excited about this team going into next season if their offseason primarily consists of resigning Rizzo, signing Simmons and adding cheap depth elsewhere. I was surprised they didn't pull off a deal with Pittsburgh for Stallings. Seemed like a great fit and the return they got from the Marlins shouldn't have been prohibitive.

What does everyone else think about where they're headed this offseason? Are they just sitting idle until the lockout due to Hal's fear of a lower luxury tax threshold or are they going to swoop in beforehand?
Beginning to feel like Steinbrenner wants to keep his money?  
Giant John : 11/29/2021 7:25 pm : link
Seems to look that way/
still so early  
DaddyM89 : 11/29/2021 7:25 pm : link
but god this is disappointing. I dont want story or Baez so youre looking at Correa at 12 years close to 400 million at this point if they did address SS. It's insane but then again its not my money and they're going to charge me $19 for a Stella next season with or without him. Correa, Olson and a #3 pitcher would be great. Not sure where'd they upgrade CF as of now unless also via trade.

But as you eluded too it will be probably more of what you said resigning Rizzo, getting a defensive shortstop and some journeyman project pitcher. If that's the case I am going to boycott going to the games (usually go to about 20 a year) maybe if enough people do that and attendance is way down cheap Hal will dip into his pockets.
To see how cheap Hal is  
DaddyM89 : 11/29/2021 7:27 pm : link
look here at this post on reddit which shows how much the yankees revenue is vs payroll over the last 20 years. The payroll isn't going up but the revenue has basically 3X'ed over that time frame.
Yankees Payroll VS Revenue Over The Years - ( New Window )
I am hoping for  
section125 : 11/29/2021 7:31 pm : link
Siemen on a short deal so as to not block Peraza or Volpe.

Right now the Mets are kicking ass.
RE: I am hoping for  
LS : 11/29/2021 7:33 pm : link
In comment 15473260 section125 said:
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Siemen on a short deal so as to not block Peraza or Volpe.

Right now the Mets are kicking ass.


He signed with the Rangers.
RE: I am hoping for  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 7:34 pm : link
In comment 15473260 section125 said:
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Siemen on a short deal so as to not block Peraza or Volpe.

Right now the Mets are kicking ass.

Semien signed yesterday with the Rangers (as did Seager today). I'm not worried about blocking Peraza or Volpe. My preference is to sign a SS and trade Peraza to fill other holes (like in an Olsen/Manea deal) and then move whoever they sign to 3rd when Volpe is ready.
People worried about long term fit for the prospects  
wigs in nyc : 11/29/2021 7:48 pm : link
need to have a think as to what’s happened with Torres, Sanchez, Andujar, Frazier, etc., etc. Prospects are not sure things, even after they do it for a year at the MLB level. Get the sure thing when you can, and there’s enough room on the diamond to make it work when/if the kids force the issue.

I’m really hoping I’m not going yo have to be talking myself into Simmons at SS.
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section125 : 11/29/2021 7:49 pm : link
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Siemen on a short deal so as to not block Peraza or Volpe.

Right now the Mets are kicking ass.



He signed with the Rangers.


Hal and Cash fiddling as the Bronx burns.

Thanks, missed Siemen signing.
RE: I am hoping for  
Stan in LA : 11/29/2021 7:50 pm : link
In comment 15473260 section125 said:
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Siemen on a short deal so as to not block Peraza or Volpe.

Right now the Mets are kicking ass.


Mets are trying to buy a Title. LOL.

Let's see how that ages.
RE: RE: I am hoping for  
section125 : 11/29/2021 7:51 pm : link
In comment 15473278 Stan in LA said:
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Siemen on a short deal so as to not block Peraza or Volpe.

Right now the Mets are kicking ass.



Mets are trying to buy a Title. LOL.

Let's see how that ages.


Dodgers do well that way - always in it, it would seem.
The Rangers are spending huge $$$  
Rick in Dallas : 11/29/2021 7:53 pm : link
$556 million on 3 players. Gray, Seager and Semiannual
Semian… autocorrect  
Rick in Dallas : 11/29/2021 7:55 pm : link
RE: RE: I am hoping for  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 7:56 pm : link
In comment 15473278 Stan in LA said:
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Mets are trying to buy a Title. LOL.

Let's see how that ages.

Stupid post
RE: People worried about long term fit for the prospects  
terz22 : 11/29/2021 8:03 pm : link
In comment 15473275 wigs in nyc said:
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need to have a think as to what’s happened with Torres, Sanchez, Andujar, Frazier, etc., etc. Prospects are not sure things, even after they do it for a year at the MLB level. Get the sure thing when you can, and there’s enough room on the diamond to make it work when/if the kids force the issue.

I’m really hoping I’m not going yo have to be talking myself into Simmons at SS.


This. Simmons would be such a disaster if they go that route.
I like Simmons  
adamg : 11/29/2021 8:05 pm : link
Defense is underrated. Bring back Rizzo, sign Simmons. They need to go hard after pitching though. This should be a retooling the system year. Chapman, Britton, and Gallo should be sold at the deadline to contenders for some prospects. Retool. Spend next offseason when that 40 million comes off the books.

They should really be looking at good young defensive catchers with any kind of offensive upside. We need to fill in the holes on this team that lead to inefficient play. Like having 30 right handed guys who K, BB, and HR only. More variety of approaches at the plate, better fielding, younger and better pitching. And maybe some fucking lefties please?
DaddyM  
arniefez : 11/29/2021 8:05 pm : link
I posted something similar here a few weeks ago. Hal isn't interested in winning World Series. Hal is interested in maximizing profits. The numbers don't lie. Hal spends just enough to keep the ticket buying suckers on the hook and not a penny more.

I'm sure the rest of MLB is loving this version of the 90 win easy playoff out Yankees. Big flawed sluggers and gopher ball pitchers who sell tickets on the road to watch the home team strike them out, watch them make outs on bases and kick the ball all over the field on defense and the home team hit HRs and beat them 45% of the time.
RE: RE: RE: I am hoping for  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 8:05 pm : link
In comment 15473277 section125 said:
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Hal and Cash fiddling as the Bronx burns.

Thanks, missed Siemen signing.

I don't love Cashman but I do think his hands are tied due to Hal's frugality. What really bothers me thought is Cashman's press conference after Boone was reupped talking about how they're going to spend and know they need to get better at several positions. Are they really going to then sell us on Simmons and resigning Rizzo?
Not going after Brantley was a major fuck up  
adamg : 11/29/2021 8:09 pm : link
imo
RE: DaddyM  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 8:10 pm : link
In comment 15473311 arniefez said:
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I posted something similar here a few weeks ago. Hal isn't interested in winning World Series. Hal is interested in maximizing profits. The numbers don't lie. Hal spends just enough to keep the ticket buying suckers on the hook and not a penny more.

I'm sure the rest of MLB is loving this version of the 90 win easy playoff out Yankees. Big flawed sluggers and gopher ball pitchers who sell tickets on the road to watch the home team strike them out, watch them make outs on bases and kick the ball all over the field on defense and the home team hit HRs and beat them 45% of the time.

The Steinbrenners don't have any additional outcome that's unrelated to the baseball team so they're going to suck as much cash out of the team as they can get away with. It will continue to go on until fans stop buying their constant gaslighting and they start to see those profits shrink.
RE: RE: DaddyM  
adamg : 11/29/2021 8:16 pm : link
In comment 15473320 Strahan91 said:
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I posted something similar here a few weeks ago. Hal isn't interested in winning World Series. Hal is interested in maximizing profits. The numbers don't lie. Hal spends just enough to keep the ticket buying suckers on the hook and not a penny more.

I'm sure the rest of MLB is loving this version of the 90 win easy playoff out Yankees. Big flawed sluggers and gopher ball pitchers who sell tickets on the road to watch the home team strike them out, watch them make outs on bases and kick the ball all over the field on defense and the home team hit HRs and beat them 45% of the time.


The Steinbrenners don't have any additional outcome that's unrelated to the baseball team so they're going to suck as much cash out of the team as they can get away with. It will continue to go on until fans stop buying their constant gaslighting and they start to see those profits shrink.


Why would they then spend money though? Wouldn't they just get more cheap if they start making less money?
adam - I hear what you’re saying, and you may be right  
wigs in nyc : 11/29/2021 8:18 pm : link
but a re-tooling year is a tough pill to swallow with the nonsense gymnastics they pulled to ‘reset’ the tax only to… what… not fill the biggest hole on the roster with one of the 4 All-Star calibre SSs available for nothing but money? Wasting prime years of your best players whom you know won’t age well?

I totally believe Cashman, who I do not love, has his hands tied. And Im not gonna stop rooting for the team - but these are not the Yankees.

Let’s see what happens I guess. And I’ll hold out hope. But I’m not excited to root for Hal’s wallet.
RE: RE: RE: DaddyM  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 8:21 pm : link
In comment 15473338 adamg said:
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Why would they then spend money though? Wouldn't they just get more cheap if they start making less money?

Similar to what the Dodgers have found, spending money and therefore putting together a better team has more positive impact on profits than pinching pennies and squeezing every last dollar out
RE: I like Simmons  
section125 : 11/29/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15473307 adamg said:
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Defense is underrated. Bring back Rizzo, sign Simmons. They need to go hard after pitching though. This should be a retooling the system year. Chapman, Britton, and Gallo should be sold at the deadline to contenders for some prospects. Retool. Spend next offseason when that 40 million comes off the books.

They should really be looking at good young defensive catchers with any kind of offensive upside. We need to fill in the holes on this team that lead to inefficient play. Like having 30 right handed guys who K, BB, and HR only. More variety of approaches at the plate, better fielding, younger and better pitching. And maybe some fucking lefties please?


Rizzo did nothing for me. Good glove, yes. Bat is ok. They need to go after Olsen if possible.
RE: adam - I hear what you’re saying, and you may be right  
adamg : 11/29/2021 8:24 pm : link
In comment 15473342 wigs in nyc said:
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but a re-tooling year is a tough pill to swallow with the nonsense gymnastics they pulled to ‘reset’ the tax only to… what… not fill the biggest hole on the roster with one of the 4 All-Star calibre SSs available for nothing but money? Wasting prime years of your best players whom you know won’t age well?

I totally believe Cashman, who I do not love, has his hands tied. And Im not gonna stop rooting for the team - but these are not the Yankees.

Let’s see what happens I guess. And I’ll hold out hope. But I’m not excited to root for Hal’s wallet.


Cashman's hands being tied, he should be able to compete with the Rays. And he does. But he needs to get his act together and start beating them when he's outspending them by a lot.

We're a different Yankees team now with Hal. If the only reason you're in the world series is because you've been outspending everyone, you might not be the best GM for the job. The pinstripes have a cache that still allows us to outcompete other teams for FAs. With analytics the way it is now, we should be contenders even if we don't spend the most.

I'd take a retooling year for a team with a better complexion than last year. That team last year was hard to root for, unidimensional, and plain ugly at times. If that's Cashman's analytics team, it sucks. He may need to go.
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adamg : 11/29/2021 8:25 pm : link
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Why would they then spend money though? Wouldn't they just get more cheap if they start making less money?


Similar to what the Dodgers have found, spending money and therefore putting together a better team has more positive impact on profits than pinching pennies and squeezing every last dollar out


I hope that's conclusion they arrive at.
RE: RE: I like Simmons  
adamg : 11/29/2021 8:25 pm : link
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Defense is underrated. Bring back Rizzo, sign Simmons. They need to go hard after pitching though. This should be a retooling the system year. Chapman, Britton, and Gallo should be sold at the deadline to contenders for some prospects. Retool. Spend next offseason when that 40 million comes off the books.

They should really be looking at good young defensive catchers with any kind of offensive upside. We need to fill in the holes on this team that lead to inefficient play. Like having 30 right handed guys who K, BB, and HR only. More variety of approaches at the plate, better fielding, younger and better pitching. And maybe some fucking lefties please?



Rizzo did nothing for me. Good glove, yes. Bat is ok. They need to go after Olsen if possible.


I'd definitely sign up for Olson. Don't know if Cashman will do it.
Yankess not spending  
LS : 11/29/2021 8:27 pm : link
yet, but still spending 10% more on payroll than any other team in MLB.
RE: Yankess not spending  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 8:30 pm : link
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yet, but still spending 10% more on payroll than any other team in MLB.

Where are you getting that from?
What about C Sean Murphy?  
adamg : 11/29/2021 8:38 pm : link
Any chance the OAK trade him? only 26. Under contract for 5 years. Seems like a solid buy low option at C for the long term. Won a GG already. Great bat in small sample size in 20 and 19.
RE: What about C Sean Murphy?  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 8:43 pm : link
In comment 15473384 adamg said:
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Any chance the OAK trade him? only 26. Under contract for 5 years. Seems like a solid buy low option at C for the long term. Won a GG already. Great bat in small sample size in 20 and 19.

He’d be a good get. Contreras from the Cubs would be too. The Sanchez tender deadline is tomorrow so we should know their plans at C soon
I  
mitch300 : 11/29/2021 8:50 pm : link
Thought they would trade for Olsen at the 40 man roster had to be finalized. Never happened.
Cashman stinks  
HomerJones45 : 11/29/2021 8:59 pm : link
This is vintage Cashman; it's never his fault. Torre and Girardi were too old school so he needed a puppet; he was going to build through the farm, oops that didn't work; we need to follow analytics, and ended up with a three outcome team so now "my hands are tied."

Hal took on Stanton's contract. He took on Rizzo's contract. He paid Cole. He paid LeMaiheu. He signed off on paying Hicks 70 million and the corpse of Gardner 10 million. All to get bounced out of the playoffs in one game. This cheapskate Hal stuff is another Cashman excuse.

Hal is also not running to sign Cashman to an extension. When asked about an extension at the meetings in November, Hal said ""When a contract’s up a contract’s up," Steinbrenner said. "If I made a decision now, I’d have less information, less data. It doesn’t matter who we’re talking about. One less year of performance to analyze when I’m trying to make a decision. It’s just illogical to me." That's hardly a ringing endorsement.

So maybe there is a reason Cashman's hands are tied. Would you give him free reign of the checkbook? I wouldn't.
Looks like the Yankees have their targets  
Matt in SGS : 11/29/2021 9:12 pm : link
and those guys are waiting on how the CBA shakes out. I think I was listening to one of the Jomboy podcasts & they mentioned that the Yankees want to know what the duration will be to re-set under the luxury tax before they splash in for any big deals. They just re-set it this past year with all that dicking around with Odor's contract being paid by Texas and making trades but not taking on salary.

I thought Seager was their guy, but now I think they will go after Correa, who I think has said he's waiting for the CBA to be settled.

The Olson trade looks to be one where the Yankees will wait for the market to come to them since it's not clear who else can make a deal with Oakland to match up and send prospects plus pay the money.

So while it does look like Cashman has his thumb up his ass, there is a method to this madness. However...that said. If the Yankees come out of the CBA and don't land these big names, then we are looking at Hal trying to replicate being Tampa and not using his resources. I have to believe they reset that luxury tax for a reason and they'll end up landing Correa in February before Spring Training opens.
Rumor is Correa will sign tomorrow.  
Strahan91 : 11/29/2021 9:40 pm : link
He’s one guy I don’t think there’s any chance in hell the Yankees sign. Main reason being cost. He’s going to get the biggest contract this off-season (likely 10 years). Not to mention the injury history, Jeter dig, cheating, etc.
Sanchez, Voit, and the farm for Olson and Murphy  
adamg : 11/29/2021 9:50 pm : link
Let's go Cash.
I would like the Correa signing  
adamg : 11/29/2021 9:51 pm : link
If he would move to third when the kids are ready to come up. Just in time for Urshela to hit FA.
I no longer have any confidence in Yankee ownership or management.  
Red Dog : 11/29/2021 9:52 pm : link
Tampa Bay, Boston, Houston, and maybe a couple of others are making them look silly.
RE: I no longer have any confidence in Yankee ownership or management.  
adamg : 11/29/2021 9:54 pm : link
In comment 15473562 Red Dog said:
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Tampa Bay, Boston, Houston, and maybe a couple of others are making them look silly.


You just getting there? We haven't won a championship in over a decade.
Sorry. That was snarky  
adamg : 11/29/2021 9:54 pm : link
I think having some doubt about the FO is healthy.
....  
BleedBlue : 11/29/2021 10:06 pm : link
They r finger poppin each others assholes.

They are acting like they currently have a world series team. They do not. They are outclassed by at least 2 teams in AL playoffs if not 3.

They have to make a move for correa, SS is a major hole. And i dnt wanna hear ohh qait a couple years for prospects. They are PROSPECTS we have no clue what they will be in majors
No to Correa.  
section125 : 11/29/2021 10:12 pm : link
Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

Great player, true.
RE: No to Correa.  
adamg : 11/29/2021 10:14 pm : link
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

Great player, true.


Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.
RE: RE: No to Correa.  
BleedBlue : 11/29/2021 10:15 pm : link
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

Great player, true.



Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.


Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter
RE: RE: RE: No to Correa.  
section125 : 11/29/2021 10:18 pm : link
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

Great player, true.



Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.



Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter


We care - fuck him.
Yeah  
adamg : 11/29/2021 10:20 pm : link
Correa is second only to Altuve in hate-ability. Plus he's thin skinned. Give me Simmons, Murphy, and Olson. And sell off the old parts at the deadline for prospects. I'd add German to the sell list too. Maybe character can be added to the analytic metrics...
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BleedBlue : 11/29/2021 10:21 pm : link
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

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Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.



Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter



We care - fuck him.


Lol you gonna hate him when he actually.puts the fuckin ball in play come playoff time? We need offense
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section125 : 11/29/2021 10:31 pm : link
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

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Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.



Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter



We care - fuck him.



Lol you gonna hate him when he actually.puts the fuckin ball in play come playoff time? We need offense


Could care less. Sign somewhere else for $360/10 years.
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BleedBlue : 11/29/2021 10:33 pm : link
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Besides money and aanother never ending contract, cannot have a cheater that takes digs at Jeter on that team.

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Fine with this take too. Trevor Story is still out there too.



Fuck cares what he said about jeter. He gonna help us win? He didnt murder jeter



We care - fuck him.



Lol you gonna hate him when he actually.puts the fuckin ball in play come playoff time? We need offense



Could care less. Sign somewhere else for $360/10 years.


Okay.
.so make no moves and we can all cry together when they have an early playoff exit if they even get there
Oakland who is selling off their best players  
arniefez : 11/29/2021 10:34 pm : link
to save money are going to take on Sanchez at 8 million and Voit at 6 million? Not happening.

Hal is really detached from reality if he doesn't realize how much his fan base hates rooting for his current roster. If the plan is to run back most of the same position players in 2022 and add a few more Cashman dumpster dive specials his sterile mall that he thinks passes as a baseball stadium is going to be as empty as most of the malls around the country.
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section125 : 11/29/2021 10:37 pm : link
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Okay.
.so make no moves and we can all cry together when they have an early playoff exit if they even get there


Where did I say that? Go after Olson and Murphy. Get a CF. Story - meh - I'm ok with that.

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BleedBlue : 11/29/2021 10:44 pm : link
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Okay.
.so make no moves and we can all cry together when they have an early playoff exit if they even get there



Where did I say that? Go after Olson and Murphy. Get a CF. Story - meh - I'm ok with that.


Oakland is dumping salary...they arent gonna take on our trash(voit and sanchez)

Story isnt correa.

This roster is hard to root for and its even harder seeing teams making moves to improve daily.

Mets havent won shit but they improved their team in a major way last 2 seasons. Yanks may be the little brothers soon.

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section125 : 11/29/2021 10:55 pm : link
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Oakland is dumping salary...they arent gonna take on our trash(voit and sanchez)

Story isnt correa.

This roster is hard to root for and its even harder seeing teams making moves to improve daily.

Mets havent won shit but they improved their team in a major way last 2 seasons. Yanks may be the little brothers soon.


Stop trying so hard, but yes, the roster is terrible as constructed.

The Mets keep hoping, but they won't.
RE: Oakland who is selling off their best players  
adamg : 11/29/2021 11:02 pm : link
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to save money are going to take on Sanchez at 8 million and Voit at 6 million? Not happening.

Hal is really detached from reality if he doesn't realize how much his fan base hates rooting for his current roster. If the plan is to run back most of the same position players in 2022 and add a few more Cashman dumpster dive specials his sterile mall that he thinks passes as a baseball stadium is going to be as empty as most of the malls around the country.


Why wouldn't we attach salary if that's part of OAK's deal? Sanchez is a multi time all star and Voit was HR champion. They aren't scrubs. And they are the sugar to help sell the deal to their fans. They are valuable at those salaries but they are also filler, the real point is acquire prospects. That's where it would cost.
Wow, was wondering why players were in a rush to take these  
Jim in Hoboken : 11/29/2021 11:36 pm : link
modest contracts in terms dollar per year, but then came Seager’s contract.

I feel the Yanks dodged a bullet here. As much as we all want stingy Hal to open his wallet and spend some of these money that he’s 0% responsible for, there is still such a thing as asset allocation. Why give an injury-prone SS 300M when the two top prospects in your system are SS’s and you have holes everywhere except for DH and RF, whom you’ve yet to extend?

Let Cashman work a little, anybody can build a good roster with a budget of 250M. Well…..
RE: RE: Yankess not spending  
LS : 11/30/2021 8:00 am : link
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yet, but still spending 10% more on payroll than any other team in MLB.

Spotrac


Where are you getting that from?
Would like to see Didi  
LS : 11/30/2021 8:08 am : link
come back for a year plus at ss. Had a bad year with the bat last year, but was really good the year before, 120 OPS+.
I'd rather see them just trot  
bigbluehoya : 11/30/2021 8:17 am : link
Gleyber back out at SS than retread with Didi or go with an awful player like Andrelton Simmons.

If Kiner-Falefa is available now that TEX inked Seager, I'd look there.

I could live with Correa. I think he's good, but the term will be long and the injury history scares me. (IMO, Seager's seemed more like one-offs. Correa's chronic back issues in his mid 20s are far more concerning to me)

I could also live with Story, but not anywhere near the type of years or dollars these other SS have received.
RE: Beginning to feel like Steinbrenner wants to keep his money?  
Heisenberg : 11/30/2021 8:25 am : link
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Seems to look that way/


Beginning to feel? hahah. yeah, definitely.
Here's what happened to the Yankees  
Heisenberg : 11/30/2021 8:41 am : link


Yankees were an absolute monster in revenues, far greater than most other teams but had similar payrolls to those teams. Covid hurt them badly and Hal is no Steve Cohen. Their family wealth comes primarily from owning the Yankees.

So every move they've made since signing Cole has been about controlling expenses so that the family can squeeze money out of the team. That's well within their right, but this is not the team I grew up rooting for.

I'll be shocked if there are any big deals this offseason. My expectation is that we will continue to control costs and Cashman will dumpster dive.
How About Kris Bryant for 3B?  
LTIsTheGreatest : 11/30/2021 9:14 am : link
and move Urshella to SS until one of those 2 kids are ready? Bryant can play 3rd and the OF, and Urshella played a pretty good SS when he was there last season
Baez to the Tigers 6/140  
Stu11 : 11/30/2021 10:05 am : link
Interesting because that's where everyone had Correa going. I know Correa wants the monster deal, but I wonder who's giving it to him now.
RE: Baez to the Tigers 6/140  
Giantfootball025 : 11/30/2021 10:10 am : link
In comment 15473956 Stu11 said:
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Interesting because that's where everyone had Correa going. I know Correa wants the monster deal, but I wonder who's giving it to him now.


Yankees. Love it or hate it, I think he might have been the Yankees target the entire time and teams know it. There’s a lot of pros and cons for him honestly I’m indifferent on it.
Just Story and Corrrea  
wigs in nyc : 11/30/2021 10:12 am : link
left from the ‘acceptable’ solutions now, and Story’s arm has gone downhill following the injuries.
I bet Correa winds up  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 10:50 am : link
going back to Houston or to the Angels. I could see Story in Houston if Correa winds up elsewhere. He's the one I could see the Yankees quietly pursuing because they tried to trade for him at the deadline. I suppose it could've just been as a rental but would've thought that they'd resign him if they'd pulled off that deal.
RE: How About Kris Bryant for 3B?  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 10:51 am : link
In comment 15473909 LTIsTheGreatest said:
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and move Urshella to SS until one of those 2 kids are ready? Bryant can play 3rd and the OF, and Urshella played a pretty good SS when he was there last season

I like Bryant's bat and versatility. He's being linked to Seattle and Toronto though.
RE: RE: RE: Yankess not spending  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 10:52 am : link
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yet, but still spending 10% more on payroll than any other team in MLB.

Spotrac


Where are you getting that from?


It's incorrect. The Mets have the highest payroll in the sport.
Rosenthal just wrote that the Yankees don't appear to  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 10:58 am : link
be playing at the top of the SS market and that a number of Yankee players view Correa with contempt anyways
RE: Just Story and Corrrea  
HomerJones45 : 11/30/2021 11:35 am : link
In comment 15473967 wigs in nyc said:
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left from the ‘acceptable’ solutions now, and Story’s arm has gone downhill following the injuries.
Ok on passing on Correa. He's a .270 20-25 HR hitter. He's never driven in 100 runs and he's had some good OPS years and some league average OPS years. Houston had him batting as low as 6th this season. Good player but not worth what he is asking. Semian is a better player.
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Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 11:41 am : link
Joel Sherman
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I had thought Barnhart (traded to #Tigers), Jacob Stallings (#Marlins), Manny Pina (#Braves) and Yan Gomes (#Cubs) were decent options for the #Yankees to team with Higashioka if they let Sanchez go. Are they letting Sanchez go? Have to 8pm today to tender him a 2022 contract.
RE: Rosenthal just wrote that the Yankees don't appear to  
Carson53 : 11/30/2021 12:33 pm : link
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be playing at the top of the SS market and that a number of Yankee players view Correa with contempt anyways
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Looks like they will sign a stopgap like a Simmons or Galvis
for short money/term.
They apparently like their SS prospects.
They better be right on that, you are never going to see another SS class of free agents available again like this year,
and you can book it Dano. I am not saying they should have signed one to a huge deal, stating what is obvious.
RE: RE: I like Simmons  
Carson53 : 11/30/2021 12:36 pm : link
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Defense is underrated. Bring back Rizzo, sign Simmons. They need to go hard after pitching though. This should be a retooling the system year. Chapman, Britton, and Gallo should be sold at the deadline to contenders for some prospects. Retool. Spend next offseason when that 40 million comes off the books.

They should really be looking at good young defensive catchers with any kind of offensive upside. We need to fill in the holes on this team that lead to inefficient play. Like having 30 right handed guys who K, BB, and HR only. More variety of approaches at the plate, better fielding, younger and better pitching. And maybe some fucking lefties please?



Rizzo did nothing for me. Good glove, yes. Bat is ok. They need to go after Olsen if possible.
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I'll take Rizzo over the injury prone Voit, adds so much
to the inner defense having him over there. Even if he has
slipped a bit with the bat, the deal won't be huge either.
Probably in the 70-75 mill. range I would guess?
RE: .  
Carson53 : 11/30/2021 12:40 pm : link
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Joel Sherman
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I had thought Barnhart (traded to #Tigers), Jacob Stallings (#Marlins), Manny Pina (#Braves) and Yan Gomes (#Cubs) were decent options for the #Yankees to team with Higashioka if they let Sanchez go. Are they letting Sanchez go? Have to 8pm today to tender him a 2022 contract.
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They should consider a trade for Contreras from the Cubs?
The Cubs signed Gomes for two years. If not consider Pina,
I thought they blew it, snoozing on Barnhart myself.
He's a left handed bat too. Another year of Sanchez, say it
ain't so! I wanted them to non-tender him LAST year.
RE: RE: .  
Tony in Tampa : 11/30/2021 1:23 pm : link
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Joel Sherman
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I had thought Barnhart (traded to #Tigers), Jacob Stallings (#Marlins), Manny Pina (#Braves) and Yan Gomes (#Cubs) were decent options for the #Yankees to team with Higashioka if they let Sanchez go. Are they letting Sanchez go? Have to 8pm today to tender him a 2022 contract.

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They should consider a trade for Contreras from the Cubs?
The Cubs signed Gomes for two years. If not consider Pina,
I thought they blew it, snoozing on Barnhart myself.
He's a left handed bat too. Another year of Sanchez, say it
ain't so! I wanted them to non-tender him LAST year.

According to a buddy of mine who's a Cubs fan, Cubs top catching prospect had to have TJ surgery. Unlikely they will take the chance of trading Contreras
Correa is contemptible  
Mike from SI : 11/30/2021 1:33 pm : link
but he is also a great hitter and clutch AF, so I'm happy either way.

I'm not happy with the dumpster diving Steinbrenners, but it's really the same issue as with the Giants. When your entire family wealth is tied up into a sports team, it's not financially prudent to go the extra mile or two money-wise.
RE: Correa is contemptible  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 1:44 pm : link
In comment 15474362 Mike from SI said:
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but he is also a great hitter and clutch AF, so I'm happy either way.

I'm not happy with the dumpster diving Steinbrenners, but it's really the same issue as with the Giants. When your entire family wealth is tied up into a sports team, it's not financially prudent to go the extra mile or two money-wise.

While the reasoning is different the post 2011 Giants are an apt comparison for the current Yankees. Both front offices think the team is closer than they actually are so they it's half measure after half measure. There are enough fans that buy in to what they're selling that they can get away with it.
RE: RE: RE: .  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 1:46 pm : link
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According to a buddy of mine who's a Cubs fan, Cubs top catching prospect had to have TJ surgery. Unlikely they will take the chance of trading Contreras

That's why they signed Gomes though. Contreras will bring a good enough return that for a rebuilding team it would make sense to fill the spot cheaply for a year so you can still go ahead and trade Contreras for prospects
Re: The Cubs  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 1:51 pm : link
I could see the Yankees making a deal for Contreras and Happ. Cashman's had interest in dealing for Happ in the past.
RE: Re: The Cubs  
adamg : 11/30/2021 3:40 pm : link
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I could see the Yankees making a deal for Contreras and Happ. Cashman's had interest in dealing for Happ in the past.


Why Happ? Not enough outfielders?
RE: RE: Re: The Cubs  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 4:03 pm : link
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I could see the Yankees making a deal for Contreras and Happ. Cashman's had interest in dealing for Happ in the past.



Why Happ? Not enough outfielders?

Versatility. He can play CF (better overall player than Hicks imo, plus can't be counted on anyways), 2nd, and 3rd. Plus Happ's career OPS vs righties is .842 and Hicks is .757 against lefties. They love that kind of flexibility
Hicks throws like Bernie at the end of his career now  
arniefez : 11/30/2021 4:05 pm : link
and he jogs after fly balls as if he needs glasses or something. His defense is a serious issue if he's in CF. More than likely he won't stay healthy enough to play much.
Evan  
mitch300 : 11/30/2021 4:17 pm : link
Roberts brought up that Freeman still has not signed with the braves.
re: Freeman just saw this  
Strahan91 : 11/30/2021 4:55 pm : link
Jon Heyman
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Yankees are definitely interested in Freddie Freeman but like most they have a hard time seeing the Braves let him get away (me: and if he does go, his hometown Dodgers make the most sense)

Word is Freeman had been seeking about $180M for 6 years. Seems reasonable to me. If that’s it, Braves should just pay him.
Freeman isn't likely leaving. He wants $180M, the Braves  
chick310 : 12/2/2021 8:01 am : link
can afford it and he loves his teammates and being in Atlanta.

Did Sanchez get tendered the other day?
No signings now because of the lockout.  
Heisenberg : 12/2/2021 8:02 am : link
Have to think that the Yankees will be filling out their team now in the mad scramble whenever this work stoppage is over.
RE: Freeman isn't likely leaving. He wants $180M, the Braves  
section125 : 12/2/2021 8:18 am : link
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can afford it and he loves his teammates and being in Atlanta.

Did Sanchez get tendered the other day?


Yes, as did Voit and Andujar....sparkling.
RE: Hicks throws like Bernie at the end of his career now  
section125 : 12/2/2021 8:20 am : link
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and he jogs after fly balls as if he needs glasses or something. His defense is a serious issue if he's in CF. More than likely he won't stay healthy enough to play much.


It is ok to not like the player, but don't flat out lie about him.
I think it might have been mentioned above  
arniefez : 12/2/2021 9:00 am : link
but the rumor is Hal closed the checkbook until he sees the next CBA whenever that will happen.

I've been posting for weeks about the ratio of earnings to payroll under Hal vs 2004 which was the last season George controlled.

Some of you may know some you may not. George had a stroke in the winter of 2003 at Otto Graham's funeral. After the stroke he was never the same and by 2005 Cashman consolidated his power and shut down the Yankees shadow Tampa Front Office and has been in charge ever since. George buying the Yankees in 1973 started the empire and George becoming incapacitated in 2003 began to end it.

“It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, …”

It was a hell of a run and it was never boring but at this point it's long over. Hal is just about finished turning the Yankees into a boring unwatchable mess. Meanwhile across town Bobby Alexrod is just getting started and he's making his own mess but it sure isn't boring.
How can the Yankees in their right minds tender Sanchez?  
Rick in Dallas : 12/2/2021 10:10 am : link
He is just plain awful and each succeeding year it gets worse.
I have mentioned previously in other Yankee threads that the Yanks should try to trade for Wilson Contreas.
RE: RE: Hicks throws like Bernie at the end of his career now  
Mike from SI : 12/2/2021 10:12 am : link
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and he jogs after fly balls as if he needs glasses or something. His defense is a serious issue if he's in CF. More than likely he won't stay healthy enough to play much.



It is ok to not like the player, but don't flat out lie about him.


Seriously, Hicks at one point had the best OF arm in the league. Ridiculous statement.
RE: How can the Yankees in their right minds tender Sanchez?  
section125 : 12/2/2021 10:41 am : link
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He is just plain awful and each succeeding year it gets worse.
I have mentioned previously in other Yankee threads that the Yanks should try to trade for Wilson Contreas.


Contreas aside, there just isn't anything out there. I want Sanchez moved too. Perhaps this gives then at least a catcher but also the right to trade him. But the combo of Higgy and Sanchez is pretty bad.
RE: RE: RE: Hicks throws like Bernie at the end of his career now  
section125 : 12/2/2021 10:53 am : link
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It is ok to not like the player, but don't flat out lie about him.



Seriously, Hicks at one point had the best OF arm in the league. Ridiculous statement.


Hicks had lost some velocity on his throws, true, but like a pitcher he needs to build confidence that the elbow doesn't explode on a hard throw and rebuild arm strength too.

Not a fan of Hicks, he's been marginal at the plate so I never saw a reason for 7 yr contract even with VG CF play. But $10 mill is not big money for a MLB starter. They can also trade him with that reasonable contract in hand.

Not trading for Stallings was a mistake.  
Strahan91 : 12/2/2021 11:17 am : link
The package the Marlins gave up was quite reasonable and there's no good reason why the Yankees shouldn't have beaten it.
RE: How can the Yankees in their right minds tender Sanchez?  
chick310 : 12/2/2021 2:19 pm : link
In comment 15476713 Rick in Dallas said:
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He is just plain awful and each succeeding year it gets worse.
I have mentioned previously in other Yankee threads that the Yanks should try to trade for Wilson Contreas.


Brutal having to watch Sanchez any longer. Read an article the other day predicting Contreras to Yanks as seems logical.

And would still do it even with the tender out there.
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