which is great. Maybe they can get Harry Hiestand to come back.
Heistand still lives in ND, but he also hated recruiting and probably wouldnt want to come back to coaching full time and having to recruit. He's actually still around the program and up through last year the offensive line was meeting with him pretty regularly at his house. Guys on that roster were guys he recruited and coached. All of them are gone now. He left ND because he hated recruiting
if I'm freeman I would do everything possible to try to get Brian Hartline on the staff. They played together at Ohio State and Hartline is maybe the best recruiter in the country. Maybe make him passing game coordinator or something.
Kelly was awful. Zero major bowl wins in over decade. They were never going to fire him, so this was our only chance to get rid him.
He also showed his true colors interviewing with the Eagles a few days before the national title game with Alabama and doing this with ND still alive for the playoff. He’s a snake. I feel bad for LSU fans. They are going to pay a lot of money for a guy who is overmatched and confused in big games.
ND’s first choice should be Fickell. If they can’t get him, see if Rhule is sick of Carolina. Talk to Peterson and Stoops if you have to.
He was not awfull. But I do think he had gotten the most he could out of ND.
I am all aboard the promote Freeman train. Yhe more I think about it we need to do something ti maintain the big time classes we have coming in. He was part of getting them to commit. He is young and on the rise could be a program builder for 20 years.
Kelly couldnt pass up LSU. Big time money and a chamce to prove himself. It would be nice if ND was considered the top job but in an age of crazy money you cant compete with the SEC and the big time talent pool in the South.
Wasn’t perfect but he did a really good job at ND. It was in a bad place when he took over and it’s not the easiest place to win. All things considered he did excellent work rebuilding that program.
But going to LSU is a no brainer for him. Probably a top 3 job in the nation for a coach and he gets 100 million to do it.
If you want a good laugh go look up Jac Collingworth on Twitter yesterday. Just when you thought that guy couldn’t be more clueless.
but we’d need to get rid of Rees and go after an experienced big time OC. Kelly’s offense has held this team back for years and always embarrassed itself vs good teams. Rees is a student of that.
I could get on board with keeping Freeman and the recruiting but finally casting Kelly’s lame offense aside.
Hope Kelly is prepared for the Baton Rouge experience
Guy can seriously coach. SEC is feeling more and more like the premier league in soccer. The SEC is gonna be leading the charge to extend the playoffs.
Supposedly Bill O'Brien to Virginia Tech is imminent.
"may approach it a bit differently" with respect to naming a interim HC. He has complete faith in the coaching staff.
"Kelly did not discuss with me the conversations with other universities.We are always talking about the program's needs and how to improve it and there was not anything identified at any time that was something we could not accomodate or meet."
And would make him the highest paid defensive coordinator in the sport.
Freeman supposedly told recruits he is either the next Notre Dame HC or the LSU defensive coordinator. But if Fickell gets hired at ND, I would jump on the Cincy job. Excellent job to get your feet wet.
Notre Dame needs an elite recruiter to compete for titles, I think they hire Freeman.
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Can't afford to wait for Fickell. Also...all the recruits on social media are imploring ND to hire Marcus.
Sounds like many of you are good with a guy like Freeman who has NEVER been a HC before. That's quite a stretch to think he can move into that role at a historic school like ND.
I have no dog in the fight, but I'd rather get someone who has actually built a program and has demonstrated the ability to delegate, etc.
Neither were Dabo or Kirby head coaches anywhere before taking the top job.
At the time Dabo was hired, Clemson was not the Clemson of today. Their brand was way down.
I don't think Smart is a good comp, either. He had close to ten years under Saban as a coach. So he had been groomed for a longer time..
How about Ryan Day? He was basically a position coach for all but two years and had very little time under Meyer.
You can say whatever you want but 4 of the top 6-7 programs in the country hired assistants with no head coaching experience and it worked out great for them.
Day was in the NFL and had multiple stops as an OC in college - BC, Temple, Ohio State.
Point being that he had deeper experience.
I know Freeman is a heralded as a recruiter. That's a plus for sure. But it's a big risk entrusting him to lead, organize and win for a program as prestigious as ND, especially following some like Kelly...
and Weis keep you from hiring Freeman would be asinine.
Totally different situations. The college football landscape is totally different than it was 12 years ago. The Davie era might as well have been in the 1800's too.
Notre Dame's program 12 years ago was in shambles. They hired Weis because other people said no. They hired Weis without him ever coaching in college. They also hired him at a time when the program was a mess.
Davie came with the program going on probation and things being really chaotic around it. He also just wasn't head coach material, but they wanted continuity and he was a good coordinator.
Both of those times, they needed someone to stabilize the program and get the train back on the tracks. Hiring someone with no experience is a poor fit for those circumstances.
This time around, the program has never been more stable. They have 5 10 win seasons in a row. Recruiting is getting better. They don't need stability, this is the time to take a little bit of a risk and go for the home run. At a minimum, Marcus Freeman will be a great recruiter. So if for some reason he fails, he will absolutely leave a talented roster in place for the next coach.
The Freeman situation to me is a hell of a lot like Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day. And both of those hires were home runs for Oklahoma and Ohio State.
Day was in the NFL and had multiple stops as an OC in college - BC, Temple, Ohio State.
Point being that he had deeper experience.
I know Freeman is a heralded as a recruiter. That's a plus for sure. But it's a big risk entrusting him to lead, organize and win for a program as prestigious as ND, especially following some like Kelly...
I dont think Day had deeper experience at all. Day was a coordinator for what, 5 seasons (1 of them being co coordinator). Freeman has been full time defensive coordinator for 5 years and 1 season as a co coordinator at Purdue, so 6 total.
Following someone like Kelly I think is actually perfect for Freeman. Because Kelly built it to where it is now, which is a very good position. The foundation is there. Freeman got to learn under him for a season, learn under Fickell for 4 years. Plus other stops in the last decade.
He's the no brainer pick imo to get the job. If they let Bob Davie and Charlie Weis impact this decision, they're fools.
Right or wrong, having a person of color as the ND head coach will help them in recruiting.
This is the direction college has gone. Twenty years ago you wouldnt see these big programs promote assistants, now you see it regularly and it has worked out incredibly well for most of them.
They shouldn't make the decision based on this but if they dont hire Freeman the recruiting class will fall apart which will make the incoming coaches job a lot more difficult too. Freeman isnt staying at ND to coach under anyone else. If they hire Fickell he goes back to Cincy, if they hire someone like Matt Campbell he goes to LSU as their coordinator.
ND will apparently wait for Luke Fickell, apparently the No 1 choice. Jack Swarbrick suggested he will not name an interim. Assts being told to stay on the road. Strong Catholic ties with Fickell. ND wants renewed bond with traditional Midwest Catholic high schools in recruiting.
ND will apparently wait for Luke Fickell, apparently the No 1 choice. Jack Swarbrick suggested he will not name an interim. Assts being told to stay on the road. Strong Catholic ties with Fickell. ND wants renewed bond with traditional Midwest Catholic high schools in recruiting.
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Did anyone expect differently? Swarbrick reminded me so much of John Mara during the press conference today in the worst way… reliant on this old school way of doing things that’s not remotely what any of the successful programs are doing.
I dont think Day had deeper experience at all. Day was a coordinator for what, 5 seasons (1 of them being co coordinator). Freeman has been full time defensive coordinator for 5 years and 1 season as a co coordinator at Purdue, so 6 total.
Following someone like Kelly I think is actually perfect for Freeman. Because Kelly built it to where it is now, which is a very good position. The foundation is there. Freeman got to learn under him for a season, learn under Fickell for 4 years. Plus other stops in the last decade.
He's the no brainer pick imo to get the job. If they let Bob Davie and Charlie Weis impact this decision, they're fools.
Right or wrong, having a person of color as the ND head coach will help them in recruiting.
This is the direction college has gone. Twenty years ago you wouldnt see these big programs promote assistants, now you see it regularly and it has worked out incredibly well for most of them.
They shouldn't make the decision based on this but if they dont hire Freeman the recruiting class will fall apart which will make the incoming coaches job a lot more difficult too. Freeman isnt staying at ND to coach under anyone else. If they hire Fickell he goes back to Cincy, if they hire someone like Matt Campbell he goes to LSU as their coordinator.
Keeping the recruiting class together is a very good point. I know with some recruiting trackers they have a top five class for '22.
Being the HC at ND is hard. IMV, it's the hardest HC job in college for a top tier program. There are just more limitations that an Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Clemson etc simply don't have to deal with. Which makes it easier for a guy like Day to takeover the machine that Meyer had built and stabilized and keep it humming along...
Keeping the recruiting together is nice but not the top concern
Worst thing they could do is rush and hire the wrong guy, especially an 8-9 win guy we’ll never get rid of. If Fickell is the guy and they are confident he wants the job, then waiting is what they have to do.
RE: Keeping the recruiting together is nice but not the top concern
Worst thing they could do is rush and hire the wrong guy, especially an 8-9 win guy we’ll never get rid of. If Fickell is the guy and they are confident he wants the job, then waiting is what they have to do.
Even if Fickell were available right now I'd pick Freeman. I dont see Fickell as a potential star head coach. I think Freeman could do what Ryan Day has done at OSU
'Why the hell does Bob Davie or Charlie Weis have a say who succeeds Kelly? That's like asking McAdoo should have replaced Shurmur!'-my old man a little while ago.
My old man is a pretty nice fellow, but his disdain for Weis is off the charts. He can't stand him. He isn't a big Davie fan either.
I’m shocked he would leave a place where his job security is damn near guaranteed for a place you can get fired two years after winning a title. Strikes me as a move a guy makes when he doesn’t think he’ll be coaching much longer.
I think Fickell to ND and Freeman back to Cinncy would be the corresponding moves. If true. Which I still refuse to believe.
Well I mean...
1) I think he's going to make a lot more money per year at LSU, so even if he coaches for 2 years and gets canned he'll make the equivalent as if he'd coached at ND for another 8-10 years, right? And even if he does get canned after 2 years I'm sure another fairly big/competitive program will be happy to hire him immediately or 1-2 years later.
And...
2) wouldn't LSU have to buy him out if they did fire him after 2 years? Which I imagine would be a pretty big number unto itself given his contract is like 10 years or something (I don't know much about coach buy-outs but I think that's how it works).
I can't fault Kelly but I have to say the system is very weirdly set up to cause this kinda stuff to happen. I mean technically there is a series of events this weekend (albeit unlikely) that could've led to ND getting into the CFP and having a chance to win a title... just very weird for a coach to have incentive to bail at that moment in a season.
I understand what incentive he has to bail at this time, I'm saying it's weird that the system is set up to create those incentives... bailing before the Bowl game and potential CFP appearance as another poster alluded to.
Heistand still lives in ND, but he also hated recruiting and probably wouldnt want to come back to coaching full time and having to recruit. He's actually still around the program and up through last year the offensive line was meeting with him pretty regularly at his house. Guys on that roster were guys he recruited and coached. All of them are gone now. He left ND because he hated recruiting
Nope. It’ll be the Red Bandit, Jason Garrett.
Thought I saw 10 yrs / $100 mill...
He also showed his true colors interviewing with the Eagles a few days before the national title game with Alabama and doing this with ND still alive for the playoff. He’s a snake. I feel bad for LSU fans. They are going to pay a lot of money for a guy who is overmatched and confused in big games.
ND’s first choice should be Fickell. If they can’t get him, see if Rhule is sick of Carolina. Talk to Peterson and Stoops if you have to.
He was not awfull. But I do think he had gotten the most he could out of ND.
I am all aboard the promote Freeman train. Yhe more I think about it we need to do something ti maintain the big time classes we have coming in. He was part of getting them to commit. He is young and on the rise could be a program builder for 20 years.
Kelly couldnt pass up LSU. Big time money and a chamce to prove himself. It would be nice if ND was considered the top job but in an age of crazy money you cant compete with the SEC and the big time talent pool in the South.
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Is going to pay him 15mm/yr? Holy...
Thought I saw 10 yrs / $100 mill...
Yea, I saw both. Somewhere in between I suppose...
Crazy
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To paraphrase - I'm leaving but you guys still have to make the 7am meeting tomorrow.
But going to LSU is a no brainer for him. Probably a top 3 job in the nation for a coach and he gets 100 million to do it.
If you want a good laugh go look up Jac Collingworth on Twitter yesterday. Just when you thought that guy couldn’t be more clueless.
I could get on board with keeping Freeman and the recruiting but finally casting Kelly’s lame offense aside.
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Supposedly Bill O'Brien to Virginia Tech is imminent.
Insanity. Sometimes I ask myself why I love college football with it oozing slime.
"Kelly did not discuss with me the conversations with other universities.We are always talking about the program's needs and how to improve it and there was not anything identified at any time that was something we could not accomodate or meet."
Freeman supposedly told recruits he is either the next Notre Dame HC or the LSU defensive coordinator. But if Fickell gets hired at ND, I would jump on the Cincy job. Excellent job to get your feet wet.
Notre Dame needs an elite recruiter to compete for titles, I think they hire Freeman.
Wild coaching carousel.
Get on it Jack. Hire Freeman ASAP.
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And would make him the highest paid defensive coordinator in the sport.
Get on it Jack. Hire Freeman ASAP.
God I hope Swarbrick doesn't blow this. Freeman needs to stay.
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And would make him the highest paid defensive coordinator in the sport.
Get on it Jack. Hire Freeman ASAP.
God I hope Swarbrick doesn't blow this. Freeman needs to stay.
Swarbrick didn’t inspire much confidence during that press conference.
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Yup.
Sounds like many of you are good with a guy like Freeman who has NEVER been a HC before. That's quite a stretch to think he can move into that role at a historic school like ND.
I have no dog in the fight, but I'd rather get someone who has actually built a program and has demonstrated the ability to delegate, etc.
At the time Dabo was hired, Clemson was not the Clemson of today. Their brand was way down.
I don't think Smart is a good comp, either. He had close to ten years under Saban as a coach. So he had been groomed for a longer time..
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Neither were Dabo or Kirby head coaches anywhere before taking the top job.
At the time Dabo was hired, Clemson was not the Clemson of today. Their brand was way down.
I don't think Smart is a good comp, either. He had close to ten years under Saban as a coach. So he had been groomed for a longer time..
How about Ryan Day? He was basically a position coach for all but two years and had very little time under Meyer.
You can say whatever you want but 4 of the top 6-7 programs in the country hired assistants with no head coaching experience and it worked out great for them.
Dabo wasnt even a coordinator anywhere.
Point being that he had deeper experience.
I know Freeman is a heralded as a recruiter. That's a plus for sure. But it's a big risk entrusting him to lead, organize and win for a program as prestigious as ND, especially following some like Kelly...
Totally different situations. The college football landscape is totally different than it was 12 years ago. The Davie era might as well have been in the 1800's too.
Notre Dame's program 12 years ago was in shambles. They hired Weis because other people said no. They hired Weis without him ever coaching in college. They also hired him at a time when the program was a mess.
Davie came with the program going on probation and things being really chaotic around it. He also just wasn't head coach material, but they wanted continuity and he was a good coordinator.
Both of those times, they needed someone to stabilize the program and get the train back on the tracks. Hiring someone with no experience is a poor fit for those circumstances.
This time around, the program has never been more stable. They have 5 10 win seasons in a row. Recruiting is getting better. They don't need stability, this is the time to take a little bit of a risk and go for the home run. At a minimum, Marcus Freeman will be a great recruiter. So if for some reason he fails, he will absolutely leave a talented roster in place for the next coach.
The Freeman situation to me is a hell of a lot like Lincoln Riley and Ryan Day. And both of those hires were home runs for Oklahoma and Ohio State.
Point being that he had deeper experience.
I know Freeman is a heralded as a recruiter. That's a plus for sure. But it's a big risk entrusting him to lead, organize and win for a program as prestigious as ND, especially following some like Kelly...
I dont think Day had deeper experience at all. Day was a coordinator for what, 5 seasons (1 of them being co coordinator). Freeman has been full time defensive coordinator for 5 years and 1 season as a co coordinator at Purdue, so 6 total.
Following someone like Kelly I think is actually perfect for Freeman. Because Kelly built it to where it is now, which is a very good position. The foundation is there. Freeman got to learn under him for a season, learn under Fickell for 4 years. Plus other stops in the last decade.
He's the no brainer pick imo to get the job. If they let Bob Davie and Charlie Weis impact this decision, they're fools.
Right or wrong, having a person of color as the ND head coach will help them in recruiting.
This is the direction college has gone. Twenty years ago you wouldnt see these big programs promote assistants, now you see it regularly and it has worked out incredibly well for most of them.
They shouldn't make the decision based on this but if they dont hire Freeman the recruiting class will fall apart which will make the incoming coaches job a lot more difficult too. Freeman isnt staying at ND to coach under anyone else. If they hire Fickell he goes back to Cincy, if they hire someone like Matt Campbell he goes to LSU as their coordinator.
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ND will apparently wait for Luke Fickell, apparently the No 1 choice. Jack Swarbrick suggested he will not name an interim. Assts being told to stay on the road. Strong Catholic ties with Fickell. ND wants renewed bond with traditional Midwest Catholic high schools in recruiting.
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Did anyone expect differently? Swarbrick reminded me so much of John Mara during the press conference today in the worst way… reliant on this old school way of doing things that’s not remotely what any of the successful programs are doing.
This is news to you?
I dont think Day had deeper experience at all. Day was a coordinator for what, 5 seasons (1 of them being co coordinator). Freeman has been full time defensive coordinator for 5 years and 1 season as a co coordinator at Purdue, so 6 total.
Following someone like Kelly I think is actually perfect for Freeman. Because Kelly built it to where it is now, which is a very good position. The foundation is there. Freeman got to learn under him for a season, learn under Fickell for 4 years. Plus other stops in the last decade.
He's the no brainer pick imo to get the job. If they let Bob Davie and Charlie Weis impact this decision, they're fools.
Right or wrong, having a person of color as the ND head coach will help them in recruiting.
This is the direction college has gone. Twenty years ago you wouldnt see these big programs promote assistants, now you see it regularly and it has worked out incredibly well for most of them.
They shouldn't make the decision based on this but if they dont hire Freeman the recruiting class will fall apart which will make the incoming coaches job a lot more difficult too. Freeman isnt staying at ND to coach under anyone else. If they hire Fickell he goes back to Cincy, if they hire someone like Matt Campbell he goes to LSU as their coordinator.
Keeping the recruiting class together is a very good point. I know with some recruiting trackers they have a top five class for '22.
Being the HC at ND is hard. IMV, it's the hardest HC job in college for a top tier program. There are just more limitations that an Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, Georgia, Clemson etc simply don't have to deal with. Which makes it easier for a guy like Day to takeover the machine that Meyer had built and stabilized and keep it humming along...
Even if Fickell were available right now I'd pick Freeman. I dont see Fickell as a potential star head coach. I think Freeman could do what Ryan Day has done at OSU
My old man is a pretty nice fellow, but his disdain for Weis is off the charts. He can't stand him. He isn't a big Davie fan either.
I think Fickell to ND and Freeman back to Cinncy would be the corresponding moves. If true. Which I still refuse to believe.
Well I mean...
1) I think he's going to make a lot more money per year at LSU, so even if he coaches for 2 years and gets canned he'll make the equivalent as if he'd coached at ND for another 8-10 years, right? And even if he does get canned after 2 years I'm sure another fairly big/competitive program will be happy to hire him immediately or 1-2 years later.
And...
2) wouldn't LSU have to buy him out if they did fire him after 2 years? Which I imagine would be a pretty big number unto itself given his contract is like 10 years or something (I don't know much about coach buy-outs but I think that's how it works).
I can't fault Kelly but I have to say the system is very weirdly set up to cause this kinda stuff to happen. I mean technically there is a series of events this weekend (albeit unlikely) that could've led to ND getting into the CFP and having a chance to win a title... just very weird for a coach to have incentive to bail at that moment in a season.