Kelly was awful. Zero major bowl wins in over decade. They were never going to fire him, so this was our only chance to get rid him.
He also showed his true colors interviewing with the Eagles a few days before the national title game with Alabama and doing this with ND still alive for the playoff. He’s a snake. I feel bad for LSU fans. They are going to pay a lot of money for a guy who is overmatched and confused in big games.
ND’s first choice should be Fickell. If they can’t get him, see if Rhule is sick of Carolina. Talk to Peterson and Stoops if you have to.
Kelly was awful. Zero major bowl wins in over decade. They were never going to fire him, so this was our only chance to get rid him.
He also showed his true colors interviewing with the Eagles a few days before the national title game with Alabama and doing this with ND still alive for the playoff. He’s a snake. I feel bad for LSU fans. They are going to pay a lot of money for a guy who is overmatched and confused in big games.
ND’s first choice should be Fickell. If they can’t get him, see if Rhule is sick of Carolina. Talk to Peterson and Stoops if you have to.
Sorry, but Kelly made ND football relevant again. If you can't see that you can't see...
is overrated as fuck. Once in a while has a decent team and gets blown like he's doing something that no one else could ever do at Northwestern, except he isnt even the best coach they've ever had. They had the same kind of success if not more previously
He brought ND to the playoffs and championship game during his tenure, without sacrificing academic standards. As he said, once they figured out the model (e.g. Big O linemen, upgrade speed on defense) they were competitive with 95% of Div I.
For the bowl game, I'd like to see Freeman coach the game. Let's see what he can do. His defense has been tremendous and he has a great presence about him (at lease it seems so from my couch in NY).
I am with Mook. Promote Freeman. Terrific recruiter. Players speak highly of him. Young. Midwestern dude. Diverse hire.
Remember Bob Davie? I’d be real hesitant to hire a guy with zero experience and I’m one of the few people who liked Charlie Weis. Hiring Freeman would be taking some kind of risk.
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This is usually how these things go, but Brian Kelly has ghosted everyone at Notre Dame. Just spoke to one assistant who saw reports on his phone tonight as he was exiting a recruit's home: "The news broke when I walked out of the house, so I look like a f----- a--hole."
can't let Bob Davie and Charlie Weis stop them from hiring Freeman.
Totally different game from 30 years ago when Davie was hired and Weis never even coached in college.
Freeman is incredibly well respected, has been at ND for the last year and is a wonderful recruiter.
They picked the wrong guys to hire with no experience. Doesn;t mean those guys should prevent them from doing so ever again.
You don't hire a guy simply to keep a recruiting class together but that's also just another feather in Freeman's cap. I'd givehim the job regardless.
Even if Fickell were willing to leave Cincy tomorrow I would hrie Freeman.
I also doubt Fickell woudl even come tomorrow, dont see him bailing on cincy when they are going to be in the playoff. And I wouldnt even consider waiting until January for him
Played a great schedule under Holtz and the big programs played big. Some of those teams fell off. I think with Kelly the last few years he benefited from that. It’s much harder to play multiple big games every year than at best one or two. I think it did a good job overall.
ND will get a good coach. I’d look for a young Barry Alvarez. Great OL and defense. The school can recruit to those strengths. If you get your QB you can compete for BCS. Kelly did pretty well but they can do better with the recruits they get imv.
Matt Fortuna
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This is usually how these things go, but Brian Kelly has ghosted everyone at Notre Dame. Just spoke to one assistant who saw reports on his phone tonight as he was exiting a recruit's home: "The news broke when I walked out of the house, so I look like a f----- a--hole."
Only good thing about that is it means he’s not taking any assistants.
three of the top 5 programs in the country promoted assistants with zero head coaching experience. All 3 are thought of as excellent recruiters and were thought of before becoming a HC (something Kelly was not thought of as a HC)
Lincoln Riley also had zero HC experience when he got the Oklahoma job.
If Kelly is officially gone, I'd name Freeman the coach tomorrow
can watch ND over the last decade and think Kelly was awful is beyond me.
There's a very high probability whoever they hire wont be as good as Kelly.
It's like people forget what happened to ND after Holtz left and Kelly got there.
Be careful what you wish for.
How can anyone watch ND and think the performance is acceptable? Zero major bowl wins. An academic cheating scandal that caused 12 vacated wins. The awful QB development. The goal at ND is national championships and Kelly hasn’t come close. He’s had a decade. Couldn’t even win a major bowl, much less a title. Happy to see him gone. His 11-1 season versus a pathetic schedule is pretty typical of his tenure. Empty.
Weis, Davie and Willingham were so bad that somehow ND got a myth that it’s hard to win there. The myth is completely false. Those 3 each did even worse when they left as Kelly will undoubtedly do as well.
Kelly never liked or understood ND. It’s a special place and has a lot of advantages. Looking forward to finally getting a better coach here.
Most of the guys I went to school with are ecstatic tonight.
Matt Fortuna
@Matt_Fortuna
This is usually how these things go, but Brian Kelly has ghosted everyone at Notre Dame. Just spoke to one assistant who saw reports on his phone tonight as he was exiting a recruit's home: "The news broke when I walked out of the house, so I look like a f----- a--hole."
Only good thing about that is it means he’s not taking any assistants.
Good luck with Brian VanGorder in Baton Rouge.
Doesn't mean that at all.
I'd expect he'll take Jeff Quinn with him. Maybe Rees depending on if new coach wants to retain him. Del Alexander isnt likely to be retained by ND either
Don’t know if N D would consider him but I’m a huge
Charlie Weis’ issue was he wasn’t good at the organizational part of college coaching. He was a better recruiter than Brian Kelly. Recruits like Teo and Clausen have never come to ND under Kelly.
if you hire Fickell, you are almost certainly losing Freeman because Cincy would absolutely offer him the HC job
Well Fickell already beat Kelly/Freemen (in South Bend!) with a team full of 3 star recruits. Shows how bad Kelly is that he loses by multiple scores at home despite having that much of a talent edge.
I’d like to see what Fickell can do with NDs resources behind him. He’s the #1 target. Swarbrick hopefully won’t blow this one like he did with the ACC deal that led to this years awful schedule.
RE: RE: RE: These college coaches are tough to take
I'd expect he'll take Jeff Quinn with him. Maybe Rees depending on if new coach wants to retain him. Del Alexander isnt likely to be retained by ND either
No one gives a fuck about Jeff Quinn. I doubt Rees leaves if Freeman wants him to stay. Might depend on the administration to give him some extra dough.
Wisconsin, USC, Stanford, UNC, Florida State, Virginia Tech all being down lead to it.
No one could have seen that coming. I guess when the schedule was made however many years ago and USC/Stanford/Wisconsin and FSU were all great he should have seen that coming.
three of the top 5 programs in the country promoted assistants with zero head coaching experience. All 3 are thought of as excellent recruiters and were thought of before becoming a HC (something Kelly was not thought of as a HC)
Lincoln Riley also had zero HC experience when he got the Oklahoma job.
If Kelly is officially gone, I'd name Freeman the coach tomorrow
You’re not wrong. It’s just risky. I’d certainly be rooting hard for Marcus though. Next year’s team should be damn good.
RE: Don’t know if N D would consider him but I’m a huge
He has 1 year of HC experience. 1 year at Baylor shouldnt make him less risky than Freeman who has been at ND for a year so he already knows the school and he would be able to keep the current glass together as well.
it certainly comes with some risk, but so does every option out there.
Joe Brady HATES recruiting. That disqualifies him.
PJ Fleck, I dont even know what to say to that one.
We mock what we don't know. Fleck has done a tremendous job in Minnesota.
Joe Brady can coach. He's considered an up and coming NFL head coach right now. I don't know if he can recruit or not. James Franklin is a GREAT recruiter but a mediocre coach. And it show in PSU's record. Give me the guy who can coach and develop because I think recruiting is just hard work...
He has 1 year of HC experience. 1 year at Baylor shouldnt make him less risky than Freeman who has been at ND for a year so he already knows the school and he would be able to keep the current glass together as well.
it certainly comes with some risk, but so does every option out there.
Aranda can coach. His defense will be lights out. Only question is can he recruit.
He has 1 year of HC experience. 1 year at Baylor shouldnt make him less risky than Freeman who has been at ND for a year so he already knows the school and he would be able to keep the current glass together as well.
it certainly comes with some risk, but so does every option out there.
Aranda can coach. His defense will be lights out. Only question is can he recruit.
I agree he can coach. But I don't see any reason to hire him over Freeman.
If Notre Dame wants to get to the next level, they need to get a HC who can recruit. We know Freeman can do that. That's a given. And that is more important today than it ever has been. It's also a big part of why Smart, Dabo and Day have been so successful at 3 of the biggest programs in the country while having no HC experience coming in
They won't.
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I'm also calling Ryan Day. And giving him a blank check.
They won't.
Why?
He's a great coach.
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These coaches coach all season and then bail before the bowl game. Very strange.
The new recruiting dates make it very important to bail before the bowl game if you're going to leave. Early signing period is like a week away.
Wouldn t it be weird if ND sneaked into play offs
Pat Fitzgerald would be one of the worst hires ever. I wouldn't even consider him.
But you still call. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
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is never leaving Ohio State for ND. Easier to win at OSU and he has a terrific thing going there. And it's a great job
But you still call. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
That never has been and never will be Notre Dame's way. They are losing Kelly to LSU over money.
He also showed his true colors interviewing with the Eagles a few days before the national title game with Alabama and doing this with ND still alive for the playoff. He’s a snake. I feel bad for LSU fans. They are going to pay a lot of money for a guy who is overmatched and confused in big games.
ND’s first choice should be Fickell. If they can’t get him, see if Rhule is sick of Carolina. Talk to Peterson and Stoops if you have to.
But you still call. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
That never has been and never will be Notre Dame's way. They are losing Kelly to LSU over money.
They need to change their arrogant ways. They have a $14M endowment and a rich alumnae base. They can afford to start forking over more money.
He also showed his true colors interviewing with the Eagles a few days before the national title game with Alabama and doing this with ND still alive for the playoff. He’s a snake. I feel bad for LSU fans. They are going to pay a lot of money for a guy who is overmatched and confused in big games.
ND’s first choice should be Fickell. If they can’t get him, see if Rhule is sick of Carolina. Talk to Peterson and Stoops if you have to.
Sorry, but Kelly made ND football relevant again. If you can't see that you can't see...
There's a very high probability whoever they hire wont be as good as Kelly.
It's like people forget what happened to ND after Holtz left and Kelly got there.
Be careful what you wish for.
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But you still call. Make him an offer he can't refuse.
That never has been and never will be Notre Dame's way. They are losing Kelly to LSU over money.
They need to change their arrogant ways. They have a $14M endowment and a rich alumnae base. They can afford to start forking over more money.
$14 billion maybe, not $14 million.
You can’t hire a guy who’s gone 3-9 two of the past three years. Fits is a good coach, but that’s not happening.
For the bowl game, I'd like to see Freeman coach the game. Let's see what he can do. His defense has been tremendous and he has a great presence about him (at lease it seems so from my couch in NY).
$14 billion maybe, not $14 million.
Right - my bad.
Remember Bob Davie? I’d be real hesitant to hire a guy with zero experience and I’m one of the few people who liked Charlie Weis. Hiring Freeman would be taking some kind of risk.
@Matt_Fortuna
This is usually how these things go, but Brian Kelly has ghosted everyone at Notre Dame. Just spoke to one assistant who saw reports on his phone tonight as he was exiting a recruit's home: "The news broke when I walked out of the house, so I look like a f----- a--hole."
That's a fall back.
They have to call the following: Day, Joe Brady, Bill O'Brien and Fleck.
Totally different game from 30 years ago when Davie was hired and Weis never even coached in college.
Freeman is incredibly well respected, has been at ND for the last year and is a wonderful recruiter.
They picked the wrong guys to hire with no experience. Doesn;t mean those guys should prevent them from doing so ever again.
You don't hire a guy simply to keep a recruiting class together but that's also just another feather in Freeman's cap. I'd givehim the job regardless.
Even if Fickell were willing to leave Cincy tomorrow I would hrie Freeman.
I also doubt Fickell woudl even come tomorrow, dont see him bailing on cincy when they are going to be in the playoff. And I wouldnt even consider waiting until January for him
Joe Brady HATES recruiting. That disqualifies him.
PJ Fleck, I dont even know what to say to that one.
ND will get a good coach. I’d look for a young Barry Alvarez. Great OL and defense. The school can recruit to those strengths. If you get your QB you can compete for BCS. Kelly did pretty well but they can do better with the recruits they get imv.
I think he is real deal.
Good. Do it ASAP.
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Matt Fortuna
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This is usually how these things go, but Brian Kelly has ghosted everyone at Notre Dame. Just spoke to one assistant who saw reports on his phone tonight as he was exiting a recruit's home: "The news broke when I walked out of the house, so I look like a f----- a--hole."
Only good thing about that is it means he’s not taking any assistants.
Good luck with Brian VanGorder in Baton Rouge.
Lincoln Riley also had zero HC experience when he got the Oklahoma job.
If Kelly is officially gone, I'd name Freeman the coach tomorrow
There's a very high probability whoever they hire wont be as good as Kelly.
It's like people forget what happened to ND after Holtz left and Kelly got there.
Be careful what you wish for.
How can anyone watch ND and think the performance is acceptable? Zero major bowl wins. An academic cheating scandal that caused 12 vacated wins. The awful QB development. The goal at ND is national championships and Kelly hasn’t come close. He’s had a decade. Couldn’t even win a major bowl, much less a title. Happy to see him gone. His 11-1 season versus a pathetic schedule is pretty typical of his tenure. Empty.
Weis, Davie and Willingham were so bad that somehow ND got a myth that it’s hard to win there. The myth is completely false. Those 3 each did even worse when they left as Kelly will undoubtedly do as well.
Kelly never liked or understood ND. It’s a special place and has a lot of advantages. Looking forward to finally getting a better coach here.
Most of the guys I went to school with are ecstatic tonight.
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Matt Fortuna
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This is usually how these things go, but Brian Kelly has ghosted everyone at Notre Dame. Just spoke to one assistant who saw reports on his phone tonight as he was exiting a recruit's home: "The news broke when I walked out of the house, so I look like a f----- a--hole."
Only good thing about that is it means he’s not taking any assistants.
Good luck with Brian VanGorder in Baton Rouge.
Doesn't mean that at all.
I'd expect he'll take Jeff Quinn with him. Maybe Rees depending on if new coach wants to retain him. Del Alexander isnt likely to be retained by ND either
It’s too bad Coughlin is too old, man I’d like to see what he could do there.
I think he is real deal.
Charlie Weis’ issue was he wasn’t good at the organizational part of college coaching. He was a better recruiter than Brian Kelly. Recruits like Teo and Clausen have never come to ND under Kelly.
Maybe they will with Freeman. We’ll see.
Well Fickell already beat Kelly/Freemen (in South Bend!) with a team full of 3 star recruits. Shows how bad Kelly is that he loses by multiple scores at home despite having that much of a talent edge.
I’d like to see what Fickell can do with NDs resources behind him. He’s the #1 target. Swarbrick hopefully won’t blow this one like he did with the ACC deal that led to this years awful schedule.
Doesn't mean that at all.
I'd expect he'll take Jeff Quinn with him. Maybe Rees depending on if new coach wants to retain him. Del Alexander isnt likely to be retained by ND either
No one gives a fuck about Jeff Quinn. I doubt Rees leaves if Freeman wants him to stay. Might depend on the administration to give him some extra dough.
Wisconsin, USC, Stanford, UNC, Florida State, Virginia Tech all being down lead to it.
No one could have seen that coming. I guess when the schedule was made however many years ago and USC/Stanford/Wisconsin and FSU were all great he should have seen that coming.
Lincoln Riley also had zero HC experience when he got the Oklahoma job.
If Kelly is officially gone, I'd name Freeman the coach tomorrow
You’re not wrong. It’s just risky. I’d certainly be rooting hard for Marcus though. Next year’s team should be damn good.
It’s too bad Coughlin is too old, man I’d like to see what he could do there.
Dave Aranda is the guy I'd get if I were ND
He has 1 year of HC experience. 1 year at Baylor shouldnt make him less risky than Freeman who has been at ND for a year so he already knows the school and he would be able to keep the current glass together as well.
it certainly comes with some risk, but so does every option out there.
Joe Brady HATES recruiting. That disqualifies him.
PJ Fleck, I dont even know what to say to that one.
We mock what we don't know. Fleck has done a tremendous job in Minnesota.
Joe Brady can coach. He's considered an up and coming NFL head coach right now. I don't know if he can recruit or not. James Franklin is a GREAT recruiter but a mediocre coach. And it show in PSU's record. Give me the guy who can coach and develop because I think recruiting is just hard work...
He has 1 year of HC experience. 1 year at Baylor shouldnt make him less risky than Freeman who has been at ND for a year so he already knows the school and he would be able to keep the current glass together as well.
it certainly comes with some risk, but so does every option out there.
Aranda can coach. His defense will be lights out. Only question is can he recruit.
I'm promoting Freeman if it was up to me.
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but wouldnt even have him on the short list.
He has 1 year of HC experience. 1 year at Baylor shouldnt make him less risky than Freeman who has been at ND for a year so he already knows the school and he would be able to keep the current glass together as well.
it certainly comes with some risk, but so does every option out there.
Aranda can coach. His defense will be lights out. Only question is can he recruit.
I agree he can coach. But I don't see any reason to hire him over Freeman.
If Notre Dame wants to get to the next level, they need to get a HC who can recruit. We know Freeman can do that. That's a given. And that is more important today than it ever has been. It's also a big part of why Smart, Dabo and Day have been so successful at 3 of the biggest programs in the country while having no HC experience coming in