This is neither here nor there, and yes, I think this team is flawed and pretty much sucks regardless, but my god, that bullshit offsides on Lawrence (he wasn't offsides IMO) and the Logan Ryan dropped INT really fucked this team.
It's frustrating that despite all the disappointment and bad play this year, we'd be in a playoff spot if ONE of those two plays went our way.
Toss in Slaytons drop in the Washington game for good measure also.
Yes, I know we all know this, but had to let that vent out for a second.
I agree on the DL offsides vs WFT. Nobody has ever seen the sideline video showing him off side. How is that possible.
+1
And the dropped INT a couple plays before but who's counting.
Sort of, but in reality for us we have killed ourselves directly on very specific 1 play spots- WFT week 2, Atlanta (dropped Int by Jackson) and KC offsides negating most likely game ending Int.
The key piece though, goes to my thread above, we don't score enough points which leaves us open to 1 play issues costing us games.
The recipe would be to grab a split of the Chargers/Dallas games (their toughest 2 games left) and run the table elsewhere.
Starts this Sunday in Miami.
They should try to focus on improving those first two because luck is a tough one to get your arms around...
Feel free to rag on Logan Ryan, though. His contract is an albatross and his COVID situation makes it worse.
4-7 is right where the Giants should be.
Look at it from the big picture - we're going to split our games against bad teams and lose almost all our games against good teams. This team is actually very consistent when you look at it from a full season perspective.
Until they start delivering better football players, especially at the key premium positions on the field, this will continue.
After next years draft we will see what they do and then maybe we can make a run at it next year.
2-3 OL, a legit pass rusher, and a LB a before we can even talk about competing.
Feel free to rag on Logan Ryan, though. His contract is an albatross and his COVID situation makes it worse.
Yeah, that was Adoree.
Feel free to rag on Logan Ryan, though. His contract is an albatross and his COVID situation makes it worse.
It was jackson!
I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.
WFT week 2, game is over, the kick was missed but an offsides- right over the ball btw, gives them a second kick. It is good, we lose. That doesn't take into account this 3rd down or that 3rd down, it is one play and one play only that ended the game as a loss for us.
Atlanta, the same can be said there was Jackson drops what should be a game sealing Int. It isn't as cut and dry as the WFT game but, it should have ended the Falcons day.
Saying the Giants could have lost here or there as well isn't as obvious- Saints game?? No, we trailed a lot of that game and came back to win. In OT we never let NO have the ball.
Philly game, ok that one could have been a loss of Reagor catches it.
Carolina game- nope.
Oakland, maybe but we caused the turnover to seal the game. You can't say that they would have scored and beaten us as it never came into play.
The Raiders go 2-6 instead of 1-6 in the redzone and we probably lose.
I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.
Why can't the receiver DJ missed in the end zone during the 2nd qtr be the difference?
Or the sack Solder gave up on third down that took them out of field goal position in 3rd qtr be the difference?
Or the blown coverage by our secondary on the opposing TE that allowed a score in 4th qtr be the difference?
Differences are everywhere. You found some, there are others...on both sides of the ball and by both teams.
Washington has at least 2 victories in close games, against the Giants and last night against Seattle.
Doesn't make us any better as a team. We won an ugly game vs the Eagles. They dropped TD passes and rushed for over 200 yards on us. Our offensive was inept as well.
We got the breaks in that win.
What hasn't been mentioned as much is that since that disastrous 0-3 start the Giants are 4-4. And you can't say we've been beating up on bottom feeders, because in fact we haven't played any of the bottom feeders at all this season. In fact, the combined record of opponents in those 8 games is 51-40. And we haven't been beating up on a lot of second string QBs; again we have faced Brady, Mahomes, Carr, Dak, and Stafford along the way.
What does it mean? Well it means after that horrible start we are 4-7 but still just on the outside looking in on the playoff race. Of course, just getting into the playoffs (and we aren't there yet) isn't the ultimate goal, but you can't get to the SB if you don't get to the playoffs first. Baby steps!
And obviously, there is still a lot of work to do, especially when it comes to the pass rush and offensive lines, but you don't go 4-4 against that schedule if you don't have something to work with. Rest of the season should be interesting and the off-season, which almost assuredly will have some major moves, should beven more interesting as will the draft with the biggest haul of picks in team history. Try and enjoy the ride.
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BUT a lot of you confuse 1 play, 1 moment vs plays here and there throughout a game- as does Joe Judge by the way.
I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.
Why can't the receiver DJ missed in the end zone during the 2nd qtr be the difference?
Or the sack Solder gave up on third down that took them out of field goal position in 3rd qtr be the difference?
Or the blown coverage by our secondary on the opposing TE that allowed a score in 4th qtr be the difference?
Differences are everywhere. You found some, there are others...on both sides of the ball and by both teams.
sorry i told you to fuck off yesterday. yea you were giving me the business with the "hitting his groove line" --but I probably had it coming anyway. Should probably say sorry for the next fuck off from me while we're at it, whenever that one is!
Maybe the Giants can actually win 3-4-5 games in a row and take care of business. One loss shouldn't keep a team out of the playoffs. And the Giants lost that game.
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We would not have to be talking about almost victories. What matters more to me is that, in games decided by more than 1 TD, we are 1-4. That tells me that this team is FAR from being competitive. Dallas, on the other hand is 3-2 in those type of games. Eagles are 4-3 in games decided by more than 1 TD. I believe Washington is 1-4 like us.
Washington has at least 2 victories in close games, against the Giants and last night against Seattle.
I was talking about records in games decided by MORE than 1 TD.
The first step is to build a strong foundation of core players, and the NY Giants keep missing on doing that...
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BUT a lot of you confuse 1 play, 1 moment vs plays here and there throughout a game- as does Joe Judge by the way.
I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.
Why can't the receiver DJ missed in the end zone during the 2nd qtr be the difference?
Or the sack Solder gave up on third down that took them out of field goal position in 3rd qtr be the difference?
Or the blown coverage by our secondary on the opposing TE that allowed a score in 4th qtr be the difference?
Differences are everywhere. You found some, there are others...on both sides of the ball and by both teams.
sorry i told you to fuck off yesterday. yea you were giving me the business with the "hitting his groove line" --but I probably had it coming anyway. Should probably say sorry for the next fuck off from me while we're at it, whenever that one is!
haha, no worries...
There are very few seasons where you can’t edit out a nice story.
As we get into the cold months I’ll be focusing on:
1) health
2) run offense
3) run defense
4) coaching
Those are better indicators of future success in my view
You go into every season trying to win the division. Playing your Thursday game so early was a big Giants advantage on the road. You had a chance to win the game at the end and you run three plays up the gut after a turnover so WFT uses its time outs.
This issue was both teams were moving the ball. WFT had already had a late drive for a TV and the QB was killing the Giants. Both teams are dog tired late on these Thursday game and it never should have come to WFT having to make a FG. It should have been a TD. That was probably the Giants best pass protection day. Why? WFT had a exhausted DL just like ours was.
6 games to play.
There is plenty of time to make up those games, and the only way a playoff spot would really mean anything is if we suddenly became a super hot team at the end of the season and go 5-1 to end the season. So IMO that means we have no excuses. If we really want to make this season mean something, we can, we just have to become a winning football team RIGHT NOW and maintain that the rest of the season.
Let me put this another way: say we had gotten those bounces/calls to go our way and we won the WFT and ATL games... we'd be 6-5 right now and sitting pretty in the WC spot. At that point we could probably finish 3-3 and still make the playoffs. So what? If we were to finish 3-3 I don't think anyone would be saying this team has an actual shot to make a SB run anyway. At least this way the only way we could make the playoffs is if we go 5-1 and hence are maybe hot enough to be a threat in the playoffs.
IDK makes sense in my head haha. And at least makes me feel better about those losses.
The Giants are what they are - a crappy, below-average football team.