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WFT and Falcons games coming back to bite us

Bear vs Shark : 11/30/2021 8:07 am
This is neither here nor there, and yes, I think this team is flawed and pretty much sucks regardless, but my god, that bullshit offsides on Lawrence (he wasn't offsides IMO) and the Logan Ryan dropped INT really fucked this team.

It's frustrating that despite all the disappointment and bad play this year, we'd be in a playoff spot if ONE of those two plays went our way.

Toss in Slaytons drop in the Washington game for good measure also.

Yes, I know we all know this, but had to let that vent out for a second.
It’s deja vu to 2020  
Ben in Tampa : 11/30/2021 8:09 am : link
Except instead of the NFC East sucking, it’s the the entire NFC
You forgot the  
section125 : 11/30/2021 8:10 am : link
offsides negating Holmes game ending INT vs the Chiefs.

I agree on the DL offsides vs WFT. Nobody has ever seen the sideline video showing him off side. How is that possible.
You  
noro9 : 11/30/2021 8:14 am : link
Forgot the dropped Eagles pass on the last play that would have handed us a loss despite 4 turnovers. It works both ways and the ball usually bounces the wrong way for bad teams.
RE: You  
JohnB : 11/30/2021 8:17 am : link
In comment 15473819 noro9 said:
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Forgot the dropped Eagles pass on the last play that would have handed us a loss despite 4 turnovers. It works both ways and the ball usually bounces the wrong way for bad teams.


+1
RE: You  
UConn4523 : 11/30/2021 8:19 am : link
In comment 15473819 noro9 said:
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Forgot the dropped Eagles pass on the last play that would have handed us a loss despite 4 turnovers. It works both ways and the ball usually bounces the wrong way for bad teams.


And the dropped INT a couple plays before but who's counting.
RE: You  
jvm52106 : 11/30/2021 8:23 am : link
In comment 15473819 noro9 said:
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Forgot the dropped Eagles pass on the last play that would have handed us a loss despite 4 turnovers. It works both ways and the ball usually bounces the wrong way for bad teams.


Sort of, but in reality for us we have killed ourselves directly on very specific 1 play spots- WFT week 2, Atlanta (dropped Int by Jackson) and KC offsides negating most likely game ending Int.

The key piece though, goes to my thread above, we don't score enough points which leaves us open to 1 play issues costing us games.
Bad teams  
BigBlueJ : 11/30/2021 8:26 am : link
Do Bad things. We are a bad team. Please do not be influenced by the four games we put in the win column.
The good news is finishing 5-1  
Chris684 : 11/30/2021 8:28 am : link
and 9-8 overall likely puts us in good shape for one of the last 2 playoff spots.

The recipe would be to grab a split of the Chargers/Dallas games (their toughest 2 games left) and run the table elsewhere.

Starts this Sunday in Miami.
Bad teams beat themselves  
JonC : 11/30/2021 8:31 am : link
Giants could easily have 1-2 wins right now, including a loss to the Eagles the other day. Hopefully the Giants' record will finally a reach a point where Mara wakes up.
It is frustrating to see the Giants play badly, make crucial mistakes  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2021 8:39 am : link
that hinder winning, and even have some misfortunes to boot.

They should try to focus on improving those first two because luck is a tough one to get your arms around...

Wasn't it Jackson who dropped the INT against Atlanta?  
Big Blue Blogger : 11/30/2021 8:48 am : link
A Ryan (Matt) threw that pass, but I don't think a Ryan (Logan) dropped it.

Feel free to rag on Logan Ryan, though. His contract is an albatross and his COVID situation makes it worse.
Eh..  
Sean : 11/30/2021 8:51 am : link
Could say the same thing for the Saints against us, Eagles against us & the Raiders.

4-7 is right where the Giants should be.
Fun to think about but close only counts in horseshoes  
CV36 : 11/30/2021 8:52 am : link
We are what our record says we are. While I agree one almost play Cha ting the outcome could be said of most NFL games, the offsides call I. That Washington game is one that truly should not have happened. That’s not a play it’s just terrible awareness of the situation. Washington will lose more games and if we are deserving of a playoff spot, we will win enough games to get in.
It's true,  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2021 9:00 am : link
but you're not going to win every close game against equally bad teams. (I guess you could, but it's very rare).

Look at it from the big picture - we're going to split our games against bad teams and lose almost all our games against good teams. This team is actually very consistent when you look at it from a full season perspective.
Not much has changed from the 2020 Giants  
JonC : 11/30/2021 9:10 am : link
they're still a bad football team featuring a bad QB, OL, and skill players who are unable to stay healthy. The defense was overrated coming into this season, and has had its own issues to overcome.

Until they start delivering better football players, especially at the key premium positions on the field, this will continue.
Yeah we lost some winnable games  
mattlawson : 11/30/2021 9:16 am : link
But in all honesty we don’t have the pieces to compete at the next level on our defense and offensive lines. Like not even close.

After next years draft we will see what they do and then maybe we can make a run at it next year.

2-3 OL, a legit pass rusher, and a LB a before we can even talk about competing.
being a poorly  
Enzo : 11/30/2021 9:26 am : link
built team is what's coming back to bite us. Any "playoff run" this year would have ultimately been a mirage.
If we were a good team  
Mike in NY : 11/30/2021 9:27 am : link
We would not have to be talking about almost victories. What matters more to me is that, in games decided by more than 1 TD, we are 1-4. That tells me that this team is FAR from being competitive. Dallas, on the other hand is 3-2 in those type of games. Eagles are 4-3 in games decided by more than 1 TD. I believe Washington is 1-4 like us.
Only if you see playoffs as the goal  
UberAlias : 11/30/2021 9:32 am : link
Playoffs or not, this is not a legit playoff team. The team needs to get better and set a foundation to build off of. I won't get hung up on some race that doesn't lead anywhere meaningful.
we deserved to lose those games  
djm : 11/30/2021 9:54 am : link
maybe we win this coming sunday and get to 5-7 and have a shot at a season nonetheless?

It’s really amazing  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2021 10:30 am : link
This board is just recycling last years optimism takes and excuse making.
RE: Wasn't it Jackson who dropped the INT against Atlanta?  
FranknWeezer : 11/30/2021 10:31 am : link
In comment 15473864 Big Blue Blogger said:
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A Ryan (Matt) threw that pass, but I don't think a Ryan (Logan) dropped it.

Feel free to rag on Logan Ryan, though. His contract is an albatross and his COVID situation makes it worse.


Yeah, that was Adoree.
RE: Wasn't it Jackson who dropped the INT against Atlanta?  
jvm52106 : 11/30/2021 10:34 am : link
In comment 15473864 Big Blue Blogger said:
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A Ryan (Matt) threw that pass, but I don't think a Ryan (Logan) dropped it.

Feel free to rag on Logan Ryan, though. His contract is an albatross and his COVID situation makes it worse.


It was jackson!
RE: You  
Paulie Walnuts : 11/30/2021 10:38 am : link
In comment 15473819 noro9 said:
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Forgot the dropped Eagles pass on the last play that would have handed us a loss despite 4 turnovers. It works both ways and the ball usually bounces the wrong way for bad teams.
+2
Notb arguing bad or not a bad team  
jvm52106 : 11/30/2021 10:41 am : link
BUT a lot of you confuse 1 play, 1 moment vs plays here and there throughout a game- as does Joe Judge by the way.

I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.

WFT week 2, game is over, the kick was missed but an offsides- right over the ball btw, gives them a second kick. It is good, we lose. That doesn't take into account this 3rd down or that 3rd down, it is one play and one play only that ended the game as a loss for us.

Atlanta, the same can be said there was Jackson drops what should be a game sealing Int. It isn't as cut and dry as the WFT game but, it should have ended the Falcons day.

Saying the Giants could have lost here or there as well isn't as obvious- Saints game?? No, we trailed a lot of that game and came back to win. In OT we never let NO have the ball.

Philly game, ok that one could have been a loss of Reagor catches it.

Carolina game- nope.

Oakland, maybe but we caused the turnover to seal the game. You can't say that they would have scored and beaten us as it never came into play.

The Saints recover a fumble  
ajr2456 : 11/30/2021 10:44 am : link
The game is over.

The Raiders go 2-6 instead of 1-6 in the redzone and we probably lose.
RE: Notb arguing bad or not a bad team  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15474006 jvm52106 said:
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BUT a lot of you confuse 1 play, 1 moment vs plays here and there throughout a game- as does Joe Judge by the way.

I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.




Why can't the receiver DJ missed in the end zone during the 2nd qtr be the difference?

Or the sack Solder gave up on third down that took them out of field goal position in 3rd qtr be the difference?

Or the blown coverage by our secondary on the opposing TE that allowed a score in 4th qtr be the difference?

Differences are everywhere. You found some, there are others...on both sides of the ball and by both teams.
RE: If we were a good team  
jeffusedtobeonwebtv : 11/30/2021 11:29 am : link
In comment 15473928 Mike in NY said:
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We would not have to be talking about almost victories. What matters more to me is that, in games decided by more than 1 TD, we are 1-4. That tells me that this team is FAR from being competitive. Dallas, on the other hand is 3-2 in those type of games. Eagles are 4-3 in games decided by more than 1 TD. I believe Washington is 1-4 like us.


Washington has at least 2 victories in close games, against the Giants and last night against Seattle.
It's never as easy as one play.  
SirLoinOfBeef : 11/30/2021 11:32 am : link
Unless it's the last play of the game maybe.

Doesn't make us any better as a team. We won an ugly game vs the Eagles. They dropped TD passes and rushed for over 200 yards on us. Our offensive was inept as well.

We got the breaks in that win.
Forest versus the trees  
Colin@gbn : 11/30/2021 12:08 pm : link
Interesting thread. I think it was M.S. who asked way back after the WTF loss how long it would grate. My answer was all season. In the world of couldas and shouldas that was different because the game was over. It was done. I also get frustrated looking back at the Atlanta and even the Denver losses, not so much at this play or that play because you can do that in just about every game, but in the tenor that Judge and company played the game. It was pretty obvious looking at the schedule that to have any chance this year the Giants really had to win 2-3 of those first three games because the next half dozen or so games were brutal. But in games you really had to win Judge and company came up with the most conservative, play not to lose game plans that allowed those three teams to complete over 75% of their passes IN ALL THREE Games.

What hasn't been mentioned as much is that since that disastrous 0-3 start the Giants are 4-4. And you can't say we've been beating up on bottom feeders, because in fact we haven't played any of the bottom feeders at all this season. In fact, the combined record of opponents in those 8 games is 51-40. And we haven't been beating up on a lot of second string QBs; again we have faced Brady, Mahomes, Carr, Dak, and Stafford along the way.

What does it mean? Well it means after that horrible start we are 4-7 but still just on the outside looking in on the playoff race. Of course, just getting into the playoffs (and we aren't there yet) isn't the ultimate goal, but you can't get to the SB if you don't get to the playoffs first. Baby steps!

And obviously, there is still a lot of work to do, especially when it comes to the pass rush and offensive lines, but you don't go 4-4 against that schedule if you don't have something to work with. Rest of the season should be interesting and the off-season, which almost assuredly will have some major moves, should beven more interesting as will the draft with the biggest haul of picks in team history. Try and enjoy the ride.
RE: RE: Notb arguing bad or not a bad team  
djm : 11/30/2021 12:15 pm : link
In comment 15474037 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 15474006 jvm52106 said:


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BUT a lot of you confuse 1 play, 1 moment vs plays here and there throughout a game- as does Joe Judge by the way.

I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.






Why can't the receiver DJ missed in the end zone during the 2nd qtr be the difference?

Or the sack Solder gave up on third down that took them out of field goal position in 3rd qtr be the difference?

Or the blown coverage by our secondary on the opposing TE that allowed a score in 4th qtr be the difference?

Differences are everywhere. You found some, there are others...on both sides of the ball and by both teams.


sorry i told you to fuck off yesterday. yea you were giving me the business with the "hitting his groove line" --but I probably had it coming anyway. Should probably say sorry for the next fuck off from me while we're at it, whenever that one is!
if we go 8-9  
djm : 11/30/2021 12:17 pm : link
fine, that loss sunk the season. We still caught some breaks against LV, Philly and even the Saints. Things even out.

Maybe the Giants can actually win 3-4-5 games in a row and take care of business. One loss shouldn't keep a team out of the playoffs. And the Giants lost that game.
RE: RE: If we were a good team  
Mike in NY : 11/30/2021 12:20 pm : link
In comment 15474124 jeffusedtobeonwebtv said:
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In comment 15473928 Mike in NY said:


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We would not have to be talking about almost victories. What matters more to me is that, in games decided by more than 1 TD, we are 1-4. That tells me that this team is FAR from being competitive. Dallas, on the other hand is 3-2 in those type of games. Eagles are 4-3 in games decided by more than 1 TD. I believe Washington is 1-4 like us.



Washington has at least 2 victories in close games, against the Giants and last night against Seattle.


I was talking about records in games decided by MORE than 1 TD.
That's all well in good. But a lot of teams make the playoffs  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2021 12:20 pm : link
and for many of them it's not actually taking a real step to the Super Bowl. We saw that in 2016.

The first step is to build a strong foundation of core players, and the NY Giants keep missing on doing that...
RE: RE: RE: Notb arguing bad or not a bad team  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2021 12:22 pm : link
In comment 15474208 djm said:
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In comment 15474037 Jimmy Googs said:


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In comment 15474006 jvm52106 said:


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BUT a lot of you confuse 1 play, 1 moment vs plays here and there throughout a game- as does Joe Judge by the way.

I don't care about first quarter mishaps, I am talking this one play, by itself was the difference.






Why can't the receiver DJ missed in the end zone during the 2nd qtr be the difference?

Or the sack Solder gave up on third down that took them out of field goal position in 3rd qtr be the difference?

Or the blown coverage by our secondary on the opposing TE that allowed a score in 4th qtr be the difference?

Differences are everywhere. You found some, there are others...on both sides of the ball and by both teams.



sorry i told you to fuck off yesterday. yea you were giving me the business with the "hitting his groove line" --but I probably had it coming anyway. Should probably say sorry for the next fuck off from me while we're at it, whenever that one is!


haha, no worries...
 
christian : 11/30/2021 12:39 pm : link
The 2020 Giants had a 5-2 span against some perfectly fine teams as well.

There are very few seasons where you can’t edit out a nice story.

As we get into the cold months I’ll be focusing on:

1) health
2) run offense
3) run defense
4) coaching

Those are better indicators of future success in my view
The WFT really bugged me  
Lines of Scrimmage : 11/30/2021 2:50 pm : link

You go into every season trying to win the division. Playing your Thursday game so early was a big Giants advantage on the road. You had a chance to win the game at the end and you run three plays up the gut after a turnover so WFT uses its time outs.

This issue was both teams were moving the ball. WFT had already had a late drive for a TV and the QB was killing the Giants. Both teams are dog tired late on these Thursday game and it never should have come to WFT having to make a FG. It should have been a TD. That was probably the Giants best pass protection day. Why? WFT had a exhausted DL just like ours was.
8 teams within 1 game of that #7 spot in the NFC  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2021 1:16 pm : link
i.e. 8 teams who are either 5-6, 5-7, or 4-7. We play 3 of those 8 teams down the stretch, including WFT again.

6 games to play.

There is plenty of time to make up those games, and the only way a playoff spot would really mean anything is if we suddenly became a super hot team at the end of the season and go 5-1 to end the season. So IMO that means we have no excuses. If we really want to make this season mean something, we can, we just have to become a winning football team RIGHT NOW and maintain that the rest of the season.

Let me put this another way: say we had gotten those bounces/calls to go our way and we won the WFT and ATL games... we'd be 6-5 right now and sitting pretty in the WC spot. At that point we could probably finish 3-3 and still make the playoffs. So what? If we were to finish 3-3 I don't think anyone would be saying this team has an actual shot to make a SB run anyway. At least this way the only way we could make the playoffs is if we go 5-1 and hence are maybe hot enough to be a threat in the playoffs.

IDK makes sense in my head haha. And at least makes me feel better about those losses.
If we're going to count WFT and ATL as games we should have won  
Blue92 : 12/1/2021 1:56 pm : link
We should count NO and PHI as games we should have lost. We were also lucky to get Vegas right after the Henry Ruggs fiasco.

The Giants are what they are - a crappy, below-average football team.
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