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Tynes (podcast clip)- source on why Solder over Peart at RT

FranknWeezer : 11/30/2021 10:33 am
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RE: I realize Solder is past his expiration date  
Essex : 11/30/2021 11:08 am : link
In comment 15474008 Beezer said:
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as an NFL offensive lineman, but Jesus, with the "I don't even want to let Solder watch my kids for 30 minutes" type of comment. By all accounts, Solder sounds like a good human. And no, I'm not related to the guy. Just ... damn. Hate seeing Tynes (or anyone) just teeing off like that.

Maybe I'm alone in that thought.

To be honest, I would not have wanted Tynes to kick an extra point in GB for the NFC title after he almost became the biggest GOAT in Giants history, but then he surprised everyone. So, there is that.
The lack of intensity and mistakes makes some sense.  
BillT : 11/30/2021 11:17 am : link
If that's true then ok. But, the swing tackle thing makes no sense. If he starts at RT and Thomas gets hurt he can move to LT an Solder can play RT. Not rocket science.
IF Peart were  
fkap : 11/30/2021 11:17 am : link
substantially better than Solder at RT, he'd be starting, and the doghouse wouldn't matter. He's either equal, or lesser, in ability, thus Solder gets the nod, and the only thing that matters is that RT is on the shopping list for the offseason.
RE: IF Peart were  
Bill in UT : 11/30/2021 11:20 am : link
In comment 15474085 fkap said:
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substantially better than Solder at RT, he'd be starting, and the doghouse wouldn't matter. He's either equal, or lesser, in ability, thus Solder gets the nod, and the only thing that matters is that RT is on the shopping list for the offseason.


Peart has a chance to get better with game experience. Solder does not
The "swing guy" argument is BS. You play your best 5  
regulator : 11/30/2021 11:24 am : link
if Peart is in the doghouse, if he's making mental mistakes and not giving acceptable effort, coaches will not trust that player and he won't play. On the other hand, Solder is a pro and won't make as many mental mistakes; he's just going to get physically beaten because he can't play anymore. That seems more reasonable under the circumstances.

Either way, it points to a colossal failure on the part of DG and this staff on their eval of Peart headed into 2021, and substantially cost us the season.
The "swing guy" argument doesn't add up for me  
JonC : 11/30/2021 11:28 am : link
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If he doesn't have the desire, then he's never going to make it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2021 11:28 am : link
You have to love football to play OL.
RE: If he doesn't have the desire, then he's never going to make it  
Essex : 11/30/2021 11:30 am : link
In comment 15474123 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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You have to love football to play OL.

If he can't start over Solder, there is little reason to believe he will be on our team next season. So, if we don't see him soon, this is a bust 3rd round pick.
The first part (lack of intensity) makes sense  
j_rud : 11/30/2021 11:30 am : link
but if I'm understanding the second part correctly it defies logic. He's so valuable as a backup that you can't start him? You're prioritizing the safety/availability of your swing tackle over the competence of your starting OL? I'm trying to wrap my head around it but I'm afraid I can't unless I too do something drasticallt alter my sense of reality like drink a bottle of Nyquil and insert my head so far into my own asshole that it emergences in another dimension. I'm pretty sure that's the only way that makes sense.
RE: RE: If he doesn't have the desire, then he's never going to make it  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2021 11:49 am : link
In comment 15474125 Essex said:
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In comment 15474123 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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You have to love football to play OL.


If he can't start over Solder, there is little reason to believe he will be on our team next season. So, if we don't see him soon, this is a bust 3rd round pick.


As a third round pick, he's cheap. So assuming what they say about him ISNT bullshit and they just think he's maxed out as a backup, he probably gets to play out his rookie deal.
He'll probably end up  
mainiac : 11/30/2021 12:04 pm : link
as a competent starter on his next team.
I think you have to put Matt Peart out there and see if it  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2021 12:05 pm : link
brings out that Jonathan Ogden in him...
RE: That  
sb from NYT Forum : 11/30/2021 12:08 pm : link
In comment 15474026 mittenedman said:
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was the knock on Peart coming out IIRC - he was a "nice guy". who had interests outside of football, etc. He may never have wanted to play, but also didn't want to turn the $$$ down when it became clear he was a draftable prospect.

Who knows...


Interesting that the last OT the Giants drafted from Connnecticut (Will Beatty) also had the rub of being too "nice" and not tough enough.

Which raises the question, why are the Giants using high picks on offensive linemen from Connecticut again?
So  
g56blue10 : 11/30/2021 12:26 pm : link
Why was he the left tackle then when Thomas was out?? This whole situation is bizarre
RE: guess that makes sense, disappointing though.  
Ned In Atlanta : 11/30/2021 12:35 pm : link
In comment 15473998 japanhead said:
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remarkable how badly gettleman fucked the OL rebuild beginning with the solder signing and spiraling from there.

flowers at guard for the redskins has been better and more reliable than anyone gettleman has brought in.

pathetic.


the combination of arrogance and incompetence is what makes it so infuriating "we believe in our guys more than most." Didn't draft anyone. Was depending on Shane Lemeuix and JAG vets. Results have been as terrible as many expected.
This makes sense in the stupidest way possible  
Thunderstruck27 : 11/30/2021 12:41 pm : link
But it's not right. Solder should be the swing tackle or RT if they want to move Peart to LT when Thomas is injured.
RE: So  
Angel Eyes : 11/30/2021 12:42 pm : link
In comment 15474231 g56blue10 said:
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Why was he the left tackle then when Thomas was out?? This whole situation is bizarre

Search me. Are the skillsets for left and right tackle so different that to do both you have to be sidelined?
RE: RE: That  
Jimmy Googs : 11/30/2021 12:43 pm : link
In comment 15474197 sb from NYT Forum said:
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In comment 15474026 mittenedman said:


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was the knock on Peart coming out IIRC - he was a "nice guy". who had interests outside of football, etc. He may never have wanted to play, but also didn't want to turn the $$$ down when it became clear he was a draftable prospect.

Who knows...



Interesting that the last OT the Giants drafted from Connnecticut (Will Beatty) also had the rub of being too "nice" and not tough enough.

Which raises the question, why are the Giants using high picks on offensive linemen from Connecticut again?


Quarterbacks from Duke and Offensive Tackles from UConn.

How to Build an NFL Roster...
RE: RE: Sounds  
uconn18 : 11/30/2021 12:45 pm : link
In comment 15474055 islander1 said:
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In comment 15474033 Giantfootball025 said:


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Like idiotic coaching imo. Why would you not play the best players? I get he’s in the dog house, but don’t say because they want to preserve the swing tackle backup role hahaha.



You've clearly never played in a team sport like this if you think "this is idiotic".

So now the belief that putting you better players on the field for more plays is more valuable to the team then having them on the bench is controversial??

I guess I also just found out that I never played team sports..
RE: RE: That  
japanhead : 11/30/2021 12:46 pm : link
In comment 15474197 sb from NYT Forum said:
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Interesting that the last OT the Giants drafted from Connnecticut (Will Beatty) also had the rub of being too "nice" and not tough enough.

Which raises the question, why are the Giants using high picks on offensive linemen from Connecticut again?


beatty was no diehl, but he was an actual starter, and far better than peart, who can't even get on the field over a liability like nate solder. beatty's main issue was injuries including iirc a detached retina.

but yea, who would've thought 4 years into gettleman's tenure and his fix the o-line intro presser, we'd have a worse OL than anything reese trotted out his last five years as GM.
Peart  
nyfootballfan : 11/30/2021 12:52 pm : link
mental errors and bad practice habits are the exact opposite of what makes a player valuable as a swing guy.
Does this Cunningham kid  
5BowlsSoon : 11/30/2021 1:01 pm : link
Show any promise? He looks the part.
RE: RE: Sounds  
Giantfootball025 : 11/30/2021 1:02 pm : link
In comment 15474055 islander1 said:
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In comment 15474033 Giantfootball025 said:


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Like idiotic coaching imo. Why would you not play the best players? I get he’s in the dog house, but don’t say because they want to preserve the swing tackle backup role hahaha.



You've clearly never played in a team sport like this if you think "this is idiotic".



Not that I’m going to give away my accolades on a message board to strangers, but I’ve played/coached at a very high level. What I said stands.
Aren't coaches supposed to motivate their players??  
JohnF : 11/30/2021 1:03 pm : link
If Peart can't get past his mental errors or isn't motivated to play, he's taking space up the roster. Might as well get someone off another team's practice squad who may not be as talented, but actually gives enough of a damn about being a good player. After all, you never know when the light bulb will go on.

I'm still not sure this isn't a "New England" bias about Solder by Judge. Solder has been done for years, the only reason he's here is the contract. I'd rather find out if Peart has a fork in his back (for next year's draft), than continue to see someone who I KNOW has a fork in his back in Solder.
From my listening to that  
allstarjim : 11/30/2021 1:21 pm : link
They don't want to play Solder at LT, and wouldn't want to move Peart from playing full-time RT to switching to LT in the event that Andrew Thomas gets hurt again and misses time.

And that Peart hasn't earned the trust of his coaches yet to start, so they're willing to go with the veteran in Solder and live with his poor performance for now. OK.

This team really needs to get a real RT, and if that's not Peart, so be it, but this needs to be a high priority.

If I get better results  
allstarjim : 11/30/2021 1:24 pm : link
from Peart at RT right now than Solder, and it's hard to imagine that I could get worse or even the same, then he's my starter there. I suppose I can live with some struggles if he has to make the transition to LT if Thomas gets hurt.

Which would you rather have? An acclimation period where Peart struggles at LT for a game or two IF Thomas gets hurt again, or consistent suckitude at RT every game with Solder.

I know what I'd prefer. Bench the bad player. Solder is a complete liability.
the source  
bebopson : 11/30/2021 1:41 pm : link
Sounds like the source ("played the game, covers the game") may be Shaun O'Hara or David Diehl.
Please don't forget this quote  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2021 1:49 pm : link
RE: guess that makes sense, disappointing though.  
Toth029 : 11/30/2021 2:12 pm : link
In comment 15473998 japanhead said:
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remarkable how badly gettleman fucked the OL rebuild beginning with the solder signing and spiraling from there.

flowers at guard for the redskins has been better and more reliable than anyone gettleman has brought in.

pathetic.
Expect Thomas, maybe. Gates he inherited and made a smart call on. But Flowers has bounced around for a reason. He's not very good. Quality NFL starter? He's ok, but you can do better. And teams do.
RE: From my listening to that  
Essex : 11/30/2021 2:17 pm : link
In comment 15474334 allstarjim said:
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They don't want to play Solder at LT, and wouldn't want to move Peart from playing full-time RT to switching to LT in the event that Andrew Thomas gets hurt again and misses time.

And that Peart hasn't earned the trust of his coaches yet to start, so they're willing to go with the veteran in Solder and live with his poor performance for now. OK.

This team really needs to get a real RT, and if that's not Peart, so be it, but this needs to be a high priority.

If this is there logic, I would not want these guys running my Lemonade stand, let alone my football team. Put the best 5 guys out there and worry about injuries when you get them. We are 4-7, there is no tomorrow.
This coaching staff is a joke  
Giants73 : 11/30/2021 2:21 pm : link
Mental errors in practice! How many times have we watched Hernandez watch a stunt go right by and not pick it up. Guess game time mental errors are okay. Peart looked a hell of a lot better in his limited starts than Solder has. Want to save someone for a swing tackle because what if someone got injured. That statement is moronic, this doesn’t dictate where the player off the bench goes. So let’s put an inferior linemen in just in case one of the line men get hurt. More coaching scared tactics I guess. The other thing that was is annoying with the line, is why does everyone not get a position and just the backups float. No reason Gates was moved from center. Coaching staff is a complete disaster.
"It can always get worse"  
AcesUp : 11/30/2021 2:36 pm : link
I don't think it can in Solder's case. Get over the doghouse BS and play the kid that you took with a premium pick last year. The coaches need to stop being dense, it really is that simple.
The first part is probably the case  
Dave on the UWS : 11/30/2021 3:03 pm : link
the latter is just a snow job. Judge values practice. If Peart is not out-performing Solder in practice (he didn't in training camp), then he sits. He's blown his opportunity, they will have to go in another direction next year.
RE: Please don't forget this quote  
cosmicj : 11/30/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15474390 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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TenTon - DG applied the adjective “little” to his confidence level, so I don’t see what’s wrong with his statement :)
That's my problem with it  
AcesUp : 11/30/2021 3:09 pm : link
This season mostly shot. Heading into next year you have 1 guy on the unit that you can pencil in at starter and outside of that, the cupboard is almost completely baren. Injured players and other young guys that you're not playing on a dreadful unit are your only prospects. You should be testing some guys that will be on the roster next year, Peart checks that box and Solder does not. It's ugly heading into the offseason, you're not filling 4 spots cold pressed against the cap. You need to see how Peart responds to extended live action to properly judge what capacity he can factor into your 2022 plans.
I think Sales and his crew have been doing a good job  
cosmicj : 11/30/2021 3:11 pm : link
In the face of many obstacles, so I’m inclined to trust their evaluation of Peart and think his not starting is for plain and obvious reasons (quality).
Peart sucks  
UberAlias : 11/30/2021 3:18 pm : link
Why is that so hard for people to get? If he was even a little good he’d be playing. The fact that he can’t beat out soldier tells you how bad he is. He’s not saving our Oline. Move on.
"Fixing the line"  
AcesUp : 11/30/2021 3:21 pm : link
Doesn't matter and isn't even close to the point. Can he improve and does he even have the potential to COMPETE for a job next year. Get him out there and find out. I don't care if he fails. Solder is failing every week, any improvement is gravy and if it's a wash you win by gaining information.
generally, coaches aren't stupid  
Producer : 11/30/2021 3:27 pm : link
they see these players every day, and we don't. There are reasons they play the players they do and the schemes they enact.

They could be wrong, for sure. but they have reasons for what they are doing.
Of course they have their reasons  
AcesUp : 11/30/2021 3:35 pm : link
And those reasons are obvious and hardly a mystery. They think Solder is the better player at RT. They're also incredibly short-sighted reasons and completely ignorant of the big picture.

I'm not even contending that Peart is the better player, which isn't baseless speculation considering his 3 starts this year at LT where he wasn't anymore a liability than Solder has been at RT.
Either  
Jerry in_DC : 11/30/2021 3:44 pm : link
1) The coaches are really stupid (which is possible)

or

2) There's some other stuff going on - bad habits, doesn't practice hard, bad attitude, etc.

There's nothing else that makes sense. I'd lean towards #2, because you'd have to be really stupid / insecure to play Solder based on anything else.
The second part DOES make sense  
widmerseyebrow : 11/30/2021 4:24 pm : link
Peart is fucking up in practice and lacks intensity. In other words, Peart is on par or worse than Solder this year. You don't gain anything by starting him, in fact we risk losing a guy who can play both tackle positions.

It's on Peart.
RE: generally, coaches aren't stupid  
Giants73 : 11/30/2021 4:49 pm : link
In comment 15474539 Producer said:
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they see these players every day, and we don't. There are reasons they play the players they do and the schemes they enact.

They could be wrong, for sure. but they have reasons for what they are doing.


Explain Nate Ebner than
RE: Please don't forget this quote  
TyreeHelmet : 11/30/2021 4:56 pm : link
In comment 15474390 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But then go dumpster diving for guys on the scrap heap at the end of training camp.

This quote from Tynes also makes zero sense at all.
RE: Please don't forget this quote  
FranknWeezer : 11/30/2021 5:05 pm : link
In comment 15474390 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Man, that's so damning of Gettleman.
RE: The  
Breeze_94 : 11/30/2021 8:00 pm : link
In comment 15474121 JonC said:
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Glad I'm not the only one because it makes 0 sense to me...

If Thomas gets hurt, why would you not just play Peart at LT and Solder at RT? Your starting RT can be the swing piece...the Ravens did it with Brown when Stanley went down last year. But instead, they are claiming that the Giants are prioritizing having the better player at a backup position over a starting position.
RE: From my listening to that  
Breeze_94 : 11/30/2021 8:04 pm : link
In comment 15474334 allstarjim said:
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They don't want to play Solder at LT, and wouldn't want to move Peart from playing full-time RT to switching to LT in the event that Andrew Thomas gets hurt again and misses time.

And that Peart hasn't earned the trust of his coaches yet to start, so they're willing to go with the veteran in Solder and live with his poor performance for now. OK.

This team really needs to get a real RT, and if that's not Peart, so be it, but this needs to be a high priority.


So they are basically saying the best way to train a guy at both positions is to have him sit the bench and not play either position at all...Gosh I hope this is just a horrible take by the podcast hosts and not how our coaching staff truly sees it.
RE: From my listening to that  
Ten Ton Hammer : 11/30/2021 8:08 pm : link
In comment 15474334 allstarjim said:
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They don't want to play Solder at LT, and wouldn't want to move Peart from playing full-time RT to switching to LT in the event that Andrew Thomas gets hurt again and misses time.


I could buy this, except Judge himself was touting a "rotation" of offensive linemen.

So now we're not rotating. Ok. Seems a bit suspicious.
RE: RE: From my listening to that  
Bill in UT : 11/30/2021 9:14 pm : link
In comment 15475059 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 15474334 allstarjim said:


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They don't want to play Solder at LT, and wouldn't want to move Peart from playing full-time RT to switching to LT in the event that Andrew Thomas gets hurt again and misses time.




I could buy this, except Judge himself was touting a "rotation" of offensive linemen.

So now we're not rotating. Ok. Seems a bit suspicious.


You can't believe a damn thing that the organization says. All that you can go by is what they do.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 11/30/2021 10:31 pm : link
1) His source has to be O'Hara, right? Former OL, covers the sport, and close to the team.

2) At first, it wasn't clear how much of that was the source "speaking." I thought Tynes was the one saying he wouldn't let Solder watch his kids, but it was the source.

3) I can accept the comments about practice. But, the swing tackle crap, is just that...crap. That has to be bullshit.
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