and the run game against Philly.
Sorry not to have posted it.
His bottom line:
(1) Yea, there were a few runs where Saquon Barkley danced around;
(2) But it wasn’t like he missed out on some big hole or some big run;
(3) Save for Andrew Thomas the O-line is an unmitigated disaster (my words) and falls way short of last year’s group that had much better run blocking with Lemieux, Gates, Zeitler and Cam Fleming.
I mean yeah Solder is still awful but the interior run game would be much better with those 2 guys.
There were anywhere from about 2 - 4 more yards Barkley might have gained on a few of his runs.
So there’s that for the BBIers who want to move on from Saquon Barkley.
There were anywhere from about 2 - 4 more yards Barkley might have gained on a few of his runs.
So there’s that for the BBIers who want to move on from Saquon Barkley.
HUH? You last sentence makes no sense. I still wnat to move on from Barkley regardless of the yards. It is HOW he runs that is an issue. He goes down way too easily. He stops at conatct WAY too much. He isn't the play maker he was as a rookie and most likely never will be again.
The Eagles fantastically engaged 2 offensive linemen with one down D-llineman. Time and time again.
With the exception of Saquon Barkley’s very fine 34-yard run, the Eagles D-Line in tandem with their LBers beat the sh** out of our run game. Stopped it cold.
Really amazing we won that game.
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There were anywhere from about 2 - 4 more yards Barkley might have gained on a few of his runs.
So there’s that for the BBIers who want to move on from Saquon Barkley.
HUH? You last sentence makes no sense. I still wnat to move on from Barkley regardless of the yards. It is HOW he runs that is an issue. He goes down way too easily. He stops at conatct WAY too much. He isn't the play maker he was as a rookie and most likely never will be again.
He was a play-maker on his 34-yard run, and Skinner explicitly said Devonte Booker doesn’t make that run. He also implied from all the video he showed that there were no other runs that Barkley could have done much with.
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Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
that doesn't mean past criticisms are unfounded
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
Precisely. If this was a matter of wins, losses and ties the Giants o-line would be 0-4-1.
also, barkley gaining an additional 2-4 yards on 3-4 of his runs could mean the difference between being in 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 9. maybe they sustain a few more drives and score a few more points if barkley picks up those additional yards. he's a 2nd overall pick, we should expect him to be doing that, and more.
Danke.
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It would appear tha last years line was significantly better than this years version.
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
Precisely. If this was a matter of wins, losses and ties the Giants o-line would be 0-4-1.
i never understood why the giants moved on from players who appeared to be, at worst, valuable depth guys (fluker, ham brown, fleming, etc.). zeitler i can kind of understand due to the cap implications, but gettleman has jettisoned a lot of quality depth players over four seasons of botching the OL rebuild.
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There were anywhere from about 2 - 4 more yards Barkley might have gained on a few of his runs.
So there’s that for the BBIers who want to move on from Saquon Barkley.
HUH? You last sentence makes no sense. I still wnat to move on from Barkley regardless of the yards. It is HOW he runs that is an issue. He goes down way too easily. He stops at conatct WAY too much. He isn't the play maker he was as a rookie and most likely never will be again.
He was a play-maker on his 34-yard run, and Skinner explicitly said Devonte Booker doesn’t make that run. He also implied from all the video he showed that there were no other runs that Barkley could have done much with.
aGAIN, SO! That doesn't mean Barkley is the right guy for the team going forward and certainly not at the price it will cost!
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It would appear tha last years line was significantly better than this years version.
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
Precisely. If this was a matter of wins, losses and ties the Giants o-line would be 0-4-1.
i never understood why the giants moved on from players who appeared to be, at worst, valuable depth guys (fluker, ham brown, fleming, etc.). zeitler i can kind of understand due to the cap implications, but gettleman has jettisoned a lot of quality depth players over four seasons of botching the OL rebuild.
jettisoned quality players?
also, barkley gaining an additional 2-4 yards on 3-4 of his runs could mean the difference between being in 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 9. maybe they sustain a few more drives and score a few more points if barkley picks up those additional yards. he's a 2nd overall pick, we should expect him to be doing that, and more.
Bobby Skinner is a former defensive lineman for the New York Giants and Montclair University. His OL breakdowns are excellent, the gold standard. He's really knowledgeable and I've learned a ton about OL play from watching his video breakdowns.
Anyway, I really wish more people would see the All-22 and see why plays don't work. It's hard when you're getting hit as soon as you get the ball. When guys completely whiff on their blocking assignments. As much love as Myarick got, he completely blew an assignment that got Barkley hit almost as soon as he got the ball.
Stuff like this matters. The Giants' run blocking was good only once or twice. The 32 yarder they picked up their assignments.
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
When available, Thomas 2021 is better than Thomas 2020
And Lemieux is a push than whomever.
Agree with the rest...
classic...
classic...
I thought he was a good player with Cleveland. And maybe he's doing well now. I didn't think he played very well for NYG
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It would appear tha last years line was significantly better than this years version.
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
Precisely. If this was a matter of wins, losses and ties the Giants o-line would be 0-4-1.
i never understood why the giants moved on from players who appeared to be, at worst, valuable depth guys (fluker, ham brown, fleming, etc.). zeitler i can kind of understand due to the cap implications, but gettleman has jettisoned a lot of quality depth players over four seasons of botching the OL rebuild.
jettisoned quality players?
fluker, ham brown, cam fleming and even remmers were arguably better depth than anyone currently starting. and he didn't have to trade players or picks to get them, as he did with price, etc.
im not saying they were quality starters. but quality depth, and i'd argue better than current starters like hernandez and price.
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is he just some fan who likes to break down OL play? did he play OL in high school or something? i've watched a few of his videos and he strikes me as just some dude.
also, barkley gaining an additional 2-4 yards on 3-4 of his runs could mean the difference between being in 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 9. maybe they sustain a few more drives and score a few more points if barkley picks up those additional yards. he's a 2nd overall pick, we should expect him to be doing that, and more.
Bobby Skinner is a former defensive lineman for the New York Giants and Montclair University. His OL breakdowns are excellent, the gold standard. He's really knowledgeable and I've learned a ton about OL play from watching his video breakdowns.
Anyway, I really wish more people would see the All-22 and see why plays don't work. It's hard when you're getting hit as soon as you get the ball. When guys completely whiff on their blocking assignments. As much love as Myarick got, he completely blew an assignment that got Barkley hit almost as soon as he got the ball.
Stuff like this matters. The Giants' run blocking was good only once or twice. The 32 yarder they picked up their assignments.
I enjoy listening to Talkin Giants and learning from Bobby Skinner. However I think you have your Bobby Skinner's confused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3_zZD_Ar-8
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is he just some fan who likes to break down OL play? did he play OL in high school or something? i've watched a few of his videos and he strikes me as just some dude.
also, barkley gaining an additional 2-4 yards on 3-4 of his runs could mean the difference between being in 2nd and 5 vs. 2nd and 9. maybe they sustain a few more drives and score a few more points if barkley picks up those additional yards. he's a 2nd overall pick, we should expect him to be doing that, and more.
Bobby Skinner is a former defensive lineman for the New York Giants and Montclair University. His OL breakdowns are excellent, the gold standard. He's really knowledgeable and I've learned a ton about OL play from watching his video breakdowns.
Anyway, I really wish more people would see the All-22 and see why plays don't work. It's hard when you're getting hit as soon as you get the ball. When guys completely whiff on their blocking assignments. As much love as Myarick got, he completely blew an assignment that got Barkley hit almost as soon as he got the ball.
Stuff like this matters. The Giants' run blocking was good only once or twice. The 32 yarder they picked up their assignments.
I enjoy listening to Talkin Giants and learning from Bobby Skinner. However I think you have your Bobby Skinner's confused.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3_zZD_Ar-8
LMAO, what, you don't think they look identical? Yup, I guess I was wrong all this time!
So basically the organization can't scout and they can't coach. Great.
LINK: https://www.reddit.com/r/NYGiants/comments/jeuwd7/my_name_is_bobby_skinner_talkin_giants_ama/
TIL there's more than one Bobby Skinner with a NY Giants football connection.
Played o-line at St. Olaf’s.
He has dozens and dozens of videos of the Giants o-line and talks through exactly what went right, what went wrong and the “why” if it all.
Very insightful video/commentary.
And all I can say after watching several of them, our current O-line is holding this team back in a serious way.
Seriously.
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It would appear tha last years line was significantly better than this years version.
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
Precisely. If this was a matter of wins, losses and ties the Giants o-line would be 0-4-1.
I think it is 1-4. Thomas 2021 is meaningfully better than Thomas 2020. Which just highlights how much worse the rest of the line is. Bottom line - Solder is not starting quality in the NFL. Don't think he would start on most SEC programs right now. Just not strong enough for the position, and strength is what you gain as you get older. Hernandez has moments, but after 4 years can't pick up a stunt blitz with regularity. Thus should not start in the NFL (might start somewhere next year, because there are not enough linemen). Billy Price might actually be a legit starter in this league, but he is not top half, nor all that close to Gates. Neither Skura nor Bredeson are starter quality, although I think Bredeson could get there. Thomas has been anywhere from solid to really good when he has been in there. Bottom line, I would be shocked to find any team where more than one of our linemen not named Thomas would even start, and some of our starters would not make the team.
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had given up only one hit on the QB all year and no sacks for Baltimore.
classic...
I thought he was a good player with Cleveland. And maybe he's doing well now. I didn't think he played very well for NYG
He was better in Cleveland for certain. Haven't watched him for Baltimore until the other night.
His run blocking for Giants last year looked uninspiring but thought he was the only one who knew what he was doing pass blocking. Often covering up for issues with the others.
His salary was high so understood desire to cut him loose but to just go with their remaining Guards was a questionable plan even if Lemieux didn't go down. A risky plan and one that we can say for certain now...failed.
I really like Skinner and Justin. They seem to work hard and post regular and varied types of content and don't go on too long with the fan rants.
Thomas is Thomas
Gates is better than Price
Zeitler is better than Hermandez
Lemieux is better than whoever,
Fleming is better than Solder
Not even close
In fairness, last year's Thomas was not this year's Thomas.
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Bobby played College O-line and is personal friends with giants on the o-line plus is the main host on a pretty big podcast. he is not just some dude recording from his mom's attic.
I really like Skinner and Justin. They seem to work hard and post regular and varied types of content and don't go on too long with the fan rants.
Jonboy media, so that is not a small thing as well. Good guys.
Here is something to make you cringe.....Erik Flowers would be our best guard.
There were anywhere from about 2 - 4 more yards Barkley might have gained on a few of his runs.
So there’s that for the BBIers who want to move on from Saquon Barkley.
Terrific. I still don't want to give him a 2nd contract.
With all of that some other stuff I noticed:
EE is even worse as a blocker this year than he has been in years past. My god he just gets rag dolled.
The draw play where nobody picks up the MLB, Bobby mentions it is on either Price or WH.. I don't agree with that. Go back and watch that highlight and look at the Left side of the OL (which is to the right on the video showing from behind the defense) where EE is lined up. He looks to be lining up to sprint into the middle and as he comes off the line is clearly looking for the MLB. I think the assumption was the MLB would hesitate a sec to make sure it wasn't a pass, so EE could come if off the side and pick him up. When you see EE come into the middle he is looking for the MLB and sees that he is into the backfield and then turns his attention up field to try and pick someone else up.
Either way it was a shitty play and very predictable.
Lastly, if Daniel Jones wastes any more time moving guys over to the other side to then just handoff I am going to explode. We risk delay of games and wasted TO's to move a guy who plays NO role in the play itself!
The Eagles fantastically engaged 2 offensive linemen with one down D-llineman. Time and time again.
With the exception of Saquon Barkley’s very fine 34-yard run, the Eagles D-Line in tandem with their LBers beat the sh** out of our run game. Stopped it cold.
Really amazing we won that game.
Its not really amazing
Barkley has the same problem every week he plays
Philly or no Philly
With all of that some other stuff I noticed:
EE is even worse as a blocker this year than he has been in years past. My god he just gets rag dolled.
The draw play where nobody picks up the MLB, Bobby mentions it is on either Price or WH.. I don't agree with that. Go back and watch that highlight and look at the Left side of the OL (which is to the right on the video showing from behind the defense) where EE is lined up. He looks to be lining up to sprint into the middle and as he comes off the line is clearly looking for the MLB. I think the assumption was the MLB would hesitate a sec to make sure it wasn't a pass, so EE could come if off the side and pick him up. When you see EE come into the middle he is looking for the MLB and sees that he is into the backfield and then turns his attention up field to try and pick someone else up.
Either way it was a shitty play and very predictable.
Lastly, if Daniel Jones wastes any more time moving guys over to the other side to then just handoff I am going to explode. We risk delay of games and wasted TO's to move a guy who plays NO role in the play itself!
I stand by every single word I said in my opening post, as well as the one 4 minutes later.
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The Eagles fantastically engaged 2 offensive linemen with one down D-llineman. Time and time again.
With the exception of Saquon Barkley’s very fine 34-yard run, the Eagles D-Line in tandem with their LBers beat the sh** out of our run game. Stopped it cold.
Really amazing we won that game.
Its not really amazing
Barkley has the same problem every week he plays
Philly or no Philly
Are you saying it's NOT really amazing we won that game this past Sunday? Or, are you just saying Barkley sucks, or something like that?
yep... he's fucking dreadful and why I don't listen to their podcast. I only tune in for the OL report which Penik is absent from.
What I feel I saw consistently was what appeared to be laziness on the backside of Plays. It frustrates me when I see NFL 0L stepping with the wrong foot. If inside penetration is first and foremost you don’t step with your outside foot first and you don’t take a lateral step with your outside for your step with your inside foot.
On inside zone, I believe it was the second run, Thomas has to come off of that double team quicker and get to the linebacker so there is a lane to run through.
That said the nice thing about coaching the OL is that it’s relatively easy to spot the issues… The problem is implementing the solutions. Whether there was a lack of talent on the OL or an abundance of talent on the DL… sometimes it just takes time… or draft picks~
What I feel I saw consistently was what appeared to be laziness on the backside of Plays. It frustrates me when I see NFL 0L stepping with the wrong foot. If inside penetration is first and foremost you don’t step with your outside foot first and you don’t take a lateral step with your outside for your step with your inside foot.
On inside zone, I believe it was the second run, Thomas has to come off of that double team quicker and get to the linebacker so there is a lane to run through.
That said the nice thing about coaching the OL is that it’s relatively easy to spot the issues… The problem is implementing the solutions. Whether there was a lack of talent on the OL or an abundance of talent on the DL… sometimes it just takes time… or draft picks~
Interesting observations!