Thanks as always for the review. A couple personnel related questions for you:
- John Ross only received 11 snaps but had a couple catches. I know the convention thinking is "he's a deep threat" but should he be seeing more time in the slot when Shepard/Toney are out?
- On the defensive line you mentioned moving Lawrence from DE to NT. Do you think there would be anything to gain from doing that and perhaps using more of R. Johnson and/or replacing Shelton with Moa on the roster? Would this help against the run or is that an issue with the LB group?
This is what I have been content with. We need to move on from debating what the mystery is with Peart. I remember there was an observation from the beat writers in New England at camp, where they witness one of the coaches really leaning into Peart very boisterously after the joint practice was over, but could not make out the literal conversation. Ever since then I felt maybe he is just not mentally where he needs to be for the staff to trust him.
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How is Matt Peart not playing? He clearly presents more upside than Nate Solder. I say that because there is no upside with Solder. He cannot beat NFL defenders on any sort of consistent basis, and this is known across the entire league. I have a different angle here. I don’t think it is on the coaching staff, I think it is solely on Peart. He hasn’t proven enough in practice, he may not know assignments, and I don’t think he has the edge that the staff wants. I have some background on Peart and I will just say that he doesn’t have a burning desire to go in there and compete. That shows up eventually, it cannot be hidden. I think that is why we are seeing Solder instead.
It's a stuck 5-6-7 iron approach on 18 to close out a disaster round that keeps me coming back.
I am completely at a loss to explain why PHI chose to shelve the Oklahoma offense against this NYG outside run D and to challenge Jackson, Bradberry, McKinney, et al. Is there really such a strong sentiment in gameplanning sessions to NOT show what you showed in the last 4 games even if its working well?
It's a stuck 5-6-7 iron approach on 18 to close out a disaster round that keeps me coming back.
I am completely at a loss to explain why PHI chose to shelve the Oklahoma offense against this NYG outside run D and to challenge Jackson, Bradberry, McKinney, et al. Is there really such a strong sentiment in gameplanning sessions to NOT show what you showed in the last 4 games even if its working well?
Agreed I thought we were done for after the third quarter.
Disagree Peart did not get that physique by being lazy or not caring. He needs a chance to play.
Every single draft pick has had a chance to play and compete. They are not intentionally holding him back for the sake of Solder. I don't understand why this is so hard to... understand. They see him everyday in practice, they know his habits, personality and approach. Clearly there is a delta somewhere in there.
Disagree Peart did not get that physique by being lazy or not caring. He needs a chance to play.
Umm, those are two different things. Anyone can have an set regimine of lifting and shaping etc, but just not have that pitbull mentality to succeed. Lots of huge, gifted athletes have failed as Olmen and guys like Rich Seubert beat the odds and succeed.. Never discount the WANT TO, the grab onto a root and hold (Johnny Be Good reference).
Screw practice and psych evaluations. Put Peart in and give him a chance to either step up or fall on his face. Then we'll know what to do about next draft.
Both of those passes were easy TDs for any competent NFL QB. The ball placement was horrible. The Giants have a weapon, a contested catch machine, one on one with smaller DBs and the QB can't place the ball where he has even a remote chance to catch it from inside the 10 yard line. IMO Daniel Jones stinks and he is the #1 reason the Giants don't score TDs. Not the awful OL which is a close 2nd.
IMO if Joe Judge thinks he's going to win with Daniel Jones as his QB he won't be the Giants HC after 2022.
Screw practice and psych evaluations. Put Peart in and give him a chance to either step up or fall on his face. Then we'll know what to do about next draft.
Again they see him in practice. What does that tell you. The fans are not the evaluators.
Screw practice and psych evaluations. Put Peart in and give him a chance to either step up or fall on his face. Then we'll know what to do about next draft.
I hear what Sy is saying and where there is smoke, there is fire.
But we heard the same thing about Scott Gragg. Admittedly, he never developed into the player hoped for. But Michael Strahan used to call him "pussy" in practice because he was so soft. Gragg ended up being a serviceable tackle for the 49ers and actually pretty easily handled Strahan in the 2002 playoff loss.
My point? So Peart is "soft"... the league is softer today. You have to be able to handle the athletic players in front of you and Solder can't do it. The Giants used Peart at left tackle. He had his ups and downs there, but I'd just rather go with him. If he sucks the rest of the way, then you KNOW you have to replace him.
I think Jones was one of the main reasons this team won. Was it a standout performance? No. But he went 11/16 in the 2nd half and a near-essential 6/7 on the final drive that resulted in points to put NYG up by more than a field goal. He made a few tough throws and stood in the pocket strong, showing awareness and toughness with quality footwork.
(Barkley) was contacted behind the line of scrimmage on 6 of his 13 carries, 3 of which were untouched by a blocker. You can’t succeed in that environment. We still don’t know what #26 is.
The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets.
It's not news how bad this OL is but it's not some general bad it's preventing us from knowing what we've got ("we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer") at QB, RB, and WR. So frustrating. Also, thanks to Sy.
Screw practice and psych evaluations. Put Peart in and give him a chance to either step up or fall on his face. Then we'll know what to do about next draft.
Again they see him in practice. What does that tell you.
It tells me he's probably not a good practice player. The league has a long history of guys who were gamers but not good practice players. It's not like we have anything to lose finding out.
Sy, don't you think the QB needs to challenge defenses downfield
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
what should have been an end zone fade passes to Golladay were not well thrown, nor were they placed in reasonable spots for Golladay to make a play - I really don;t think either of those passes was on Kenny
what should have been an end zone fade passes to Golladay were not well thrown, nor were they placed in reasonable spots for Golladay to make a play - I really don;t think either of those passes was on Kenny
Agreed. It shows again the limitations with this QB and his ability to make "all the throws". I never see fades or back shoulders.
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Did you miss this from Sy, "The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets."
How do you trust him to replace the best OL on the team for 3 games but not trust him to replace the worst OLinemanin the league. Makes no sense. Did he have a burning desire to compete only at LT
RE: RE: Sy, don't you think the QB needs to challenge defenses downfield
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Did you miss this from Sy, "The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets."
He didn't miss it, he just wants to make sure he gets his Jones shot in.
Only so much coaches can do motivated him. You have a mean streak or you don’t. I agree with Eric. Give him a start at right tackle. I thought Rudolph being out was part of the decision not starting him.
Glad to see Jones get some love when he deserves it. Jones played a mistake free game and was very accurate with his passes and his legs helped out a bit too. The two drives he led us for points in the second half were remarkable. Jones looks the part to me at least. I’d much rather draft two OL guys in round one than another qb who isn’t any better than Jones. We don’t want to saddle next year’s qb with this crappy OL again, do we? We need to go all in on OL!
It seems to me the Giants were determined to force Barkley to get touches which were drive killers. Like Sy said, we are moving to Phi 26 and then two runs for losses by Barkley plus a hold and now we have to punt. But, like Sy said, much like for Jones, you can’t just blame it on Barkley….Barkley is getting hit behind the LOS too often. I’m not sure Booker could have done better.
Lastly, the first pass Jones through to Golladay in the end zone was not meant to be a fade. It was too far out. I actually thought the pass was great and the CB interfered with Golladay, but it wasn’t called.
RE: RE: RE: Sy, don't you think the QB needs to challenge defenses downfield
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Did you miss this from Sy, "The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets."
He didn't miss it, he just wants to make sure he gets his Jones shot in.
Along with several other usual suspects. I dislike insulting ponies, but this group could be used in the dictionary to visually define "One-Trick."
Greta job as always. I had the same thoughts on Jones. Honestly, I thought he threw 3 poor passes the whole game -- the fade to KG, the slant to KG, and the pass to Ross, which was still caught.
Thanks as always for the review. A couple personnel related questions for you:
- John Ross only received 11 snaps but had a couple catches. I know the convention thinking is "he's a deep threat" but should he be seeing more time in the slot when Shepard/Toney are out?
- On the defensive line you mentioned moving Lawrence from DE to NT. Do you think there would be anything to gain from doing that and perhaps using more of R. Johnson and/or replacing Shelton with Moa on the roster? Would this help against the run or is that an issue with the LB group?
Ross really isn't a slot. Can he line up there on occasion to put the defense on its heels? Knife through the secondary via the seam? Sure. But every down, I don't see it. He isn't shifty enough, that has never been his thing. I do like what he has shown in certain situations. Wish they could use him more.
I would like to see some more R Johnson (rather than Shelton at NT). I think the DL would be just as good, if not better. That said, I don't want to see Johnson off the field.
Thanks Sy, do you think we see Wilson before the end of 2021?
He played OT at Georgia and has the measurables/upside to be drafted in the first round. He came in out of shape, but Solder does not look like he is in great shape either. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
not being able to get down the sideline quick enough on running plays. Some offenses are just targeting him quite frankly, especially with such weak recognition LBs behind him.
Dex has to go in inside. What was he picked, #17 overall?
Both of those passes were easy TDs for any competent NFL QB. The ball placement was horrible. The Giants have a weapon, a contested catch machine, one on one with smaller DBs and the QB can't place the ball where he has even a remote chance to catch it from inside the 10 yard line. IMO Daniel Jones stinks and he is the #1 reason the Giants don't score TDs. Not the awful OL which is a close 2nd.
IMO if Joe Judge thinks he's going to win with Daniel Jones as his QB he won't be the Giants HC after 2022.
It is historically the lowest success-rate play in the history of football between the 10 yard line and the goal line.
RE: Sy, don't you think the QB needs to challenge defenses downfield
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Yes, in a perfect world they are challenging down the field more often. I think a passing game needs to throw the ball 20+ yards down the field at least 6-7 times per game on average.
I disagree in regard to your comment about being too soft on Jones. I have criticized him plenty and have repeatedly said I'm not sold on him yet being the guy. But one cannot deny how bad the situation has been since he was drafted.
I'll have a full evaluation and what I think they should do at QB after the season
The fact that Peart can't beat out Solder is somewhat alarming. And I get Peart is a second year guy so I'm not waving the white flag on him long term, but he must be really struggling in practice because Solder is a turnstile out there.
RE: Thanks Sy, do you think we see Wilson before the end of 2021?
He played OT at Georgia and has the measurables/upside to be drafted in the first round. He came in out of shape, but Solder does not look like he is in great shape either. Would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
-Dexter Lawrence may be one of the more volatile players on the team. He needs to get to, and stay at, nose tackle. His lack of range showed up against the PHI outside zone running game. He also wasn’t much of a presence as a pass rusher. Lawrence did record 1 pressure and his forced fumble was an enormous play. But one can make the case that the bad is outweighing the good this season and I think at least a part of it is the fact he is out of position.
If they drafted a Nose Tackle 17th overall it's an absolute atrocity of a pick.
first thought is, ok the staff thinks he's soft. get him out there and maybe he surprises and if you don't like his character maybe you're able to trade him for a mid round pick in the offseason
second is his play is not worse than solder. so play him
final thought though is something has to be going on behind the scenes. i'm not sure what it is, but perhaps playing him would not sit well with players on the team who see him dog it in practice and in meetings
he was always best as a nose and is out of position anywhere else. just look at him, it's always been obvious
picking a NT at 17 is classic gettleman. always thinking he can pick the next peterson (barkley) or wilfork (lawrence) when the odds of being able to do that are so small. he let's positional value go out the window thinking he's smahter than everyone else.
The third and 7 that ended with an incomplete pass just before the final field goal should never have happened. It should have been a 3rd and 2, but they had their one and only illegal procedure penalty to turn it into a 3rd and 7.
Third and 2 allows you to run, and even if you don't make it, the eagles have to either burn a precious timeout or let 40 seconds come off the clock. Or you can run a play action pass with a better chance of succeeding than the 3rd and 7 play
-Dexter Lawrence may be one of the more volatile players on the team. He needs to get to, and stay at, nose tackle. His lack of range showed up against the PHI outside zone running game. He also wasn’t much of a presence as a pass rusher. Lawrence did record 1 pressure and his forced fumble was an enormous play. But one can make the case that the bad is outweighing the good this season and I think at least a part of it is the fact he is out of position.
If they drafted a Nose Tackle 17th overall it's an absolute atrocity of a pick.
Not true. When they drafted him, we all thought he was going to be our NT. We were shocked they moved him outside.
I don't believe anyone would find that to be wise.
In the draft, he was ONLY viewed as a NT/DT. And he went exactly in the area of the draft that he was expected to go (mid-1st round). A bunch of BBIers (including myself) were thrilled when we drafted him. That doesn't mean he was a good pick, but he went where he was supposed to go.
And most BBI'ers were still very high on him in September of this year.
I don't believe anyone would find that to be wise.
In the draft, he was ONLY viewed as a NT/DT. And he went exactly in the area of the draft that he was expected to go (mid-1st round). A bunch of BBIers (including myself) were thrilled when we drafted him. That doesn't mean he was a good pick, but he went where he was supposed to go.
And most BBI'ers were still very high on him in September of this year.
It has taken the last few NTs 2 years to start playing up to there talent, then they disappear into FA.
I don't believe anyone would find that to be wise.
In the draft, he was ONLY viewed as a NT/DT. And he went exactly in the area of the draft that he was expected to go (mid-1st round). A bunch of BBIers (including myself) were thrilled when we drafted him. That doesn't mean he was a good pick, but he went where he was supposed to go.
And most BBI'ers were still very high on him in September of this year.
TTH has the right sentiment and what I was intimating above.
Find your goofy but relatively stout Nose Tackle with no pass rushing skills with a late second round or third round pick, not #17 overall.
Drafting poorly isn’t just picking busts and guys that can’t make it, it’s also picking guys that are starters but not impactful enough to be picked so high...
- John Ross only received 11 snaps but had a couple catches. I know the convention thinking is "he's a deep threat" but should he be seeing more time in the slot when Shepard/Toney are out?
- On the defensive line you mentioned moving Lawrence from DE to NT. Do you think there would be anything to gain from doing that and perhaps using more of R. Johnson and/or replacing Shelton with Moa on the roster? Would this help against the run or is that an issue with the LB group?
thanks yet again...!
I am completely at a loss to explain why PHI chose to shelve the Oklahoma offense against this NYG outside run D and to challenge Jackson, Bradberry, McKinney, et al. Is there really such a strong sentiment in gameplanning sessions to NOT show what you showed in the last 4 games even if its working well?
Disagree Peart did not get that physique by being lazy or not caring. He needs a chance to play.
I am completely at a loss to explain why PHI chose to shelve the Oklahoma offense against this NYG outside run D and to challenge Jackson, Bradberry, McKinney, et al. Is there really such a strong sentiment in gameplanning sessions to NOT show what you showed in the last 4 games even if its working well?
Agreed I thought we were done for after the third quarter.
Disagree Peart did not get that physique by being lazy or not caring. He needs a chance to play.
Every single draft pick has had a chance to play and compete. They are not intentionally holding him back for the sake of Solder. I don't understand why this is so hard to... understand. They see him everyday in practice, they know his habits, personality and approach. Clearly there is a delta somewhere in there.
Disagree Peart did not get that physique by being lazy or not caring. He needs a chance to play.
Umm, those are two different things. Anyone can have an set regimine of lifting and shaping etc, but just not have that pitbull mentality to succeed. Lots of huge, gifted athletes have failed as Olmen and guys like Rich Seubert beat the odds and succeed.. Never discount the WANT TO, the grab onto a root and hold (Johnny Be Good reference).
Both of those passes were easy TDs for any competent NFL QB. The ball placement was horrible. The Giants have a weapon, a contested catch machine, one on one with smaller DBs and the QB can't place the ball where he has even a remote chance to catch it from inside the 10 yard line. IMO Daniel Jones stinks and he is the #1 reason the Giants don't score TDs. Not the awful OL which is a close 2nd.
IMO if Joe Judge thinks he's going to win with Daniel Jones as his QB he won't be the Giants HC after 2022.
Again they see him in practice. What does that tell you. The fans are not the evaluators.
I hear what Sy is saying and where there is smoke, there is fire.
But we heard the same thing about Scott Gragg. Admittedly, he never developed into the player hoped for. But Michael Strahan used to call him "pussy" in practice because he was so soft. Gragg ended up being a serviceable tackle for the 49ers and actually pretty easily handled Strahan in the 2002 playoff loss.
My point? So Peart is "soft"... the league is softer today. You have to be able to handle the athletic players in front of you and Solder can't do it. The Giants used Peart at left tackle. He had his ups and downs there, but I'd just rather go with him. If he sucks the rest of the way, then you KNOW you have to replace him.
(Barkley) was contacted behind the line of scrimmage on 6 of his 13 carries, 3 of which were untouched by a blocker. You can’t succeed in that environment. We still don’t know what #26 is.
The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets.
It's not news how bad this OL is but it's not some general bad it's preventing us from knowing what we've got ("we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer") at QB, RB, and WR. So frustrating. Also, thanks to Sy.
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Screw practice and psych evaluations. Put Peart in and give him a chance to either step up or fall on his face. Then we'll know what to do about next draft.
Again they see him in practice. What does that tell you.
It tells me he's probably not a good practice player. The league has a long history of guys who were gamers but not good practice players. It's not like we have anything to lose finding out.
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Agreed. It shows again the limitations with this QB and his ability to make "all the throws". I never see fades or back shoulders.
A plus game manager with legs, who can helm a winner if there is a lot of complimentary talent on the team.
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Did you miss this from Sy, "The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets."
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and Jones is too willing to keep it underneath?
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Did you miss this from Sy, "The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets."
He didn't miss it, he just wants to make sure he gets his Jones shot in.
A plus game manager with legs, who can helm a winner if there is a lot of complimentary talent on the team.
I get that position and can see why you could think that but I think Jones has already shown he's a better passer than Smith.
It seems to me the Giants were determined to force Barkley to get touches which were drive killers. Like Sy said, we are moving to Phi 26 and then two runs for losses by Barkley plus a hold and now we have to punt. But, like Sy said, much like for Jones, you can’t just blame it on Barkley….Barkley is getting hit behind the LOS too often. I’m not sure Booker could have done better.
Lastly, the first pass Jones through to Golladay in the end zone was not meant to be a fade. It was too far out. I actually thought the pass was great and the CB interfered with Golladay, but it wasn’t called.
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and Jones is too willing to keep it underneath?
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Did you miss this from Sy, "The issue (w/ Ross and Slayton) is the offensive line cannot be trusted to have these two run deep routes. That part of the route tree takes time to progress to and because of that, we aren’t seeing what these guys can actually offer with their skill sets."
He didn't miss it, he just wants to make sure he gets his Jones shot in.
Along with several other usual suspects. I dislike insulting ponies, but this group could be used in the dictionary to visually define "One-Trick."
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When Jones is on, he reminds me a bunch of Alex Smith. A guy who was over drafted, but will stick around.
A plus game manager with legs, who can helm a winner if there is a lot of complimentary talent on the team.
I get that position and can see why you could think that but I think Jones has already shown he's a better passer than Smith.
Agreed, Jones has a bigger arm than Smith.
- John Ross only received 11 snaps but had a couple catches. I know the convention thinking is "he's a deep threat" but should he be seeing more time in the slot when Shepard/Toney are out?
- On the defensive line you mentioned moving Lawrence from DE to NT. Do you think there would be anything to gain from doing that and perhaps using more of R. Johnson and/or replacing Shelton with Moa on the roster? Would this help against the run or is that an issue with the LB group?
Ross really isn't a slot. Can he line up there on occasion to put the defense on its heels? Knife through the secondary via the seam? Sure. But every down, I don't see it. He isn't shifty enough, that has never been his thing. I do like what he has shown in certain situations. Wish they could use him more.
I would like to see some more R Johnson (rather than Shelton at NT). I think the DL would be just as good, if not better. That said, I don't want to see Johnson off the field.
Disagree Peart did not get that physique by being lazy or not caring. He needs a chance to play.
All due respect...getting the physique is a certain kind of work ethic...putting the pads on and playing with desire does not have a correlation.
Dex has to go in inside. What was he picked, #17 overall?
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Both were low-success rate, fade-type passes
Both of those passes were easy TDs for any competent NFL QB. The ball placement was horrible. The Giants have a weapon, a contested catch machine, one on one with smaller DBs and the QB can't place the ball where he has even a remote chance to catch it from inside the 10 yard line. IMO Daniel Jones stinks and he is the #1 reason the Giants don't score TDs. Not the awful OL which is a close 2nd.
IMO if Joe Judge thinks he's going to win with Daniel Jones as his QB he won't be the Giants HC after 2022.
It is historically the lowest success-rate play in the history of football between the 10 yard line and the goal line.
And maybe willing is wrong the word. Maybe unable to challenge defenses with regularity. It may have worked here, but in general this conservative and inept QB play is why we are losing more games than we are winning. Good QB play isn't just about what mistakes aren't being made, it is also about challenging defenses and making winning throws downfield.
Curious about your thoughts on this, since you seem to praise Jones when he doesn't make mistakes, but you never seem to comment about the plays he doesn't make, or can't make, that great teams need from their QB.
Yes, in a perfect world they are challenging down the field more often. I think a passing game needs to throw the ball 20+ yards down the field at least 6-7 times per game on average.
I disagree in regard to your comment about being too soft on Jones. I have criticized him plenty and have repeatedly said I'm not sold on him yet being the guy. But one cannot deny how bad the situation has been since he was drafted.
I'll have a full evaluation and what I think they should do at QB after the season
No, I don't. I think he is a 2022 project
I'm just wondering if this is the type of coach and staff that is afraid to put players in there, esp when a vet is available.
If they drafted a Nose Tackle 17th overall it's an absolute atrocity of a pick.
second is his play is not worse than solder. so play him
final thought though is something has to be going on behind the scenes. i'm not sure what it is, but perhaps playing him would not sit well with players on the team who see him dog it in practice and in meetings
picking a NT at 17 is classic gettleman. always thinking he can pick the next peterson (barkley) or wilfork (lawrence) when the odds of being able to do that are so small. he let's positional value go out the window thinking he's smahter than everyone else.
Third and 2 allows you to run, and even if you don't make it, the eagles have to either burn a precious timeout or let 40 seconds come off the clock. Or you can run a play action pass with a better chance of succeeding than the 3rd and 7 play
If they drafted a Nose Tackle 17th overall it's an absolute atrocity of a pick.
Not true. When they drafted him, we all thought he was going to be our NT. We were shocked they moved him outside.
This is the second time I heard this. So thanks. At that level, they need to be all in or they will be beat by more aggressive players.
Once again, thank you for your write ups.
In the draft, he was ONLY viewed as a NT/DT. And he went exactly in the area of the draft that he was expected to go (mid-1st round). A bunch of BBIers (including myself) were thrilled when we drafted him. That doesn't mean he was a good pick, but he went where he was supposed to go.
And most BBI'ers were still very high on him in September of this year.
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I don't believe anyone would find that to be wise.
In the draft, he was ONLY viewed as a NT/DT. And he went exactly in the area of the draft that he was expected to go (mid-1st round). A bunch of BBIers (including myself) were thrilled when we drafted him. That doesn't mean he was a good pick, but he went where he was supposed to go.
And most BBI'ers were still very high on him in September of this year.
It has taken the last few NTs 2 years to start playing up to there talent, then they disappear into FA.
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I don't believe anyone would find that to be wise.
In the draft, he was ONLY viewed as a NT/DT. And he went exactly in the area of the draft that he was expected to go (mid-1st round). A bunch of BBIers (including myself) were thrilled when we drafted him. That doesn't mean he was a good pick, but he went where he was supposed to go.
And most BBI'ers were still very high on him in September of this year.
TTH has the right sentiment and what I was intimating above.
Find your goofy but relatively stout Nose Tackle with no pass rushing skills with a late second round or third round pick, not #17 overall.
Drafting poorly isn’t just picking busts and guys that can’t make it, it’s also picking guys that are starters but not impactful enough to be picked so high...