This is a very critical off-season upcoming. At this point it appears Gettleman will not return, and I don’t know how anyone could be content with just running it back with Jones. At the bare minimum, a QB should be drafted or FA brought in for legit competition to Jones.
Durability concerns plus subpar production shouldn’t give Jones automatic starter status for a 4th season. The standards need to be higher than “he’s a good kid” or “he’s tough”.
I don’t see why Gettleman is still employed, why delay the inevitable? After the Rapaport report, Mara should just make the move now. Get a head start on any candidates not currently employed by a NFL team, and then promptly interview anyone else after the season. Put the list together.
With what will be 2 top 10 draft picks, they need to get this right. The Giants have a big opportunity here, for once be proactive and not kick the can down the road more.
(This is what I think will happen, not what I think should happen.)
(This is what I think will happen, not what I think should happen.)
At minimum they need to decline the 5th year option and bring in competition. That needs to be the minimum imo.
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
Why not bring in better competition for a QB who has missed time every year? Even that is unreasonable?
I also find it bothersome that Gettleman is “allowed” to retire because he’s a good friend, but Reese was not.
Just a quick early Christmas list here on Dec 1.
I think we get it- you don’t like Jones. But this is not surprising….if you go on a Dallas website, you will see a vocal “minority” don’t want Dak Prescott, and they too are not embarrassed to beat that drum loudly and often, like you.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
As for DG, I think it’s pretty obvious he will be gone…
I think we get it- you don’t like Jones. But this is not surprising….if you go on a Dallas website, you will see a vocal “minority” don’t want Dak Prescott, and they too are not embarrassed to beat that drum loudly and often, like you.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
As for DG, I think it’s pretty obvious he will be gone…
I think we get it- you don’t like Jones. But this is not surprising….if you go on a Dallas website, you will see a vocal “minority” don’t want Dak Prescott, and they too are not embarrassed to beat that drum loudly and often, like you.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
As for DG, I think it’s pretty obvious he will be gone…
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Giants are 1 game out of playoffs
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
Why not bring in better competition for a QB who has missed time every year? Even that is unreasonable?
I also find it bothersome that Gettleman is “allowed” to retire because he’s a good friend, but Reese was not.
What is purpose of just firing a lame duck GM early? Honest question, is there any advantage gained?
Or is this just a fan snap opinion to rub it in.
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Is this your whole purpose here- to stir up the Daniel Jones pot?
I think we get it- you don’t like Jones. But this is not surprising….if you go on a Dallas website, you will see a vocal “minority” don’t want Dak Prescott, and they too are not embarrassed to beat that drum loudly and often, like you.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
As for DG, I think it’s pretty obvious he will be gone…
And Dak Prescott is like ten times the QB DJ is
You must not watch much Cowboy football. Prescott plays on an offense that is loaded with talent. When he loses a few toys he can’t put the team on his back to win. He is 16-15 over his last 31 games and has one playoff win in 6 years. He also make $40M a year.
As for QB, they just added Fromm and not sure who you think is also sitting at home on his couch worth adding.
Nothing gets changed until we're into January.
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Is this your whole purpose here- to stir up the Daniel Jones pot?
I think we get it- you don’t like Jones. But this is not surprising….if you go on a Dallas website, you will see a vocal “minority” don’t want Dak Prescott, and they too are not embarrassed to beat that drum loudly and often, like you.
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
As for DG, I think it’s pretty obvious he will be gone…
And Dak Prescott is like ten times the QB DJ is
You must not watch much Cowboy football. Prescott plays on an offense that is loaded with talent. When he loses a few toys he can’t put the team on his back to win. He is 16-15 over his last 31 games and has one playoff win in 6 years. He also make $40M a year.
Yeah I laughed at too, and I like Dak. Jones would do very well in Dallas.
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Giants are 1 game out of playoffs
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
Why not bring in better competition for a QB who has missed time every year? Even that is unreasonable?
I also find it bothersome that Gettleman is “allowed” to retire because he’s a good friend, but Reese was not.
What is purpose of just firing a lame duck GM early? Honest question, is there any advantage gained?
Or is this just a fan snap opinion to rub it in.
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In comment 15475352 joeinpa said:
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Giants are 1 game out of playoffs
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
Why not bring in better competition for a QB who has missed time every year? Even that is unreasonable?
I also find it bothersome that Gettleman is “allowed” to retire because he’s a good friend, but Reese was not.
What is purpose of just firing a lame duck GM early? Honest question, is there any advantage gained?
Or is this just a fan snap opinion to rub it in.
For one thing, it's still just a rumor that he is retiring. For another, it doesn't change the fact that they have been one of the worst teams in the league during his tenure. At some point there needs to be accountability.
Not to mention it might give us a head start on looking for a replacement.
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Giants are 1 game out of playoffs
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
Why not bring in better competition for a QB who has missed time every year? Even that is unreasonable?
I also find it bothersome that Gettleman is “allowed” to retire because he’s a good friend, but Reese was not.
Bringing in a quarterback for competition is a always reasonable. The question is:
What resources do you spend to accomplish this.
You willing to part with both 1s and move up to take the best quarterback in the draft?
If Giants are not ready to move on from Jones, and maybe they are, they will use those resources to build the offensive line.
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Giants are 1 game out of playoffs
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
Why not bring in better competition for a QB who has missed time every year? Even that is unreasonable?
I also find it bothersome that Gettleman is “allowed” to retire because he’s a good friend, but Reese was not.
What is purpose of just firing a lame duck GM early? Honest question, is there any advantage gained?
Or is this just a fan snap opinion to rub it in.
For one thing, it's still just a rumor that he is retiring. For another, it doesn't change the fact that they have been one of the worst teams in the league during his tenure. At some point there needs to be accountability.
Not asking or debating whether he is retiring. The fact is his contract is up this year so he is a lame duck GM.
The question I asked was whether there is any advantage gained to ending it early. is your opinion "yes" because it sends the message of accountability throughout the organization?
Not to mention it might give us a head start on looking for a replacement.
Can't they start that anyway whether Gettleman is still around or not? Besides many of the likely candidates probably already have a job they need to finish this season.
GM - Monti Ossenfort or Adam Peters
If you have a QB you like who's gone, you cannot reach for a guy.
That being said, I like the 2nd level of QBs in this draft, Ridder and Cunningham. I hope they can trade down with one of the picks and acquire one late first/early 2nd.
As for QB, they just added Fromm and not sure who you think is also sitting at home on his couch worth adding.
Nothing gets changed until we're into January.
My point is I think they’ll be in the market for QB after the season. And that could be stronger competition to Jones via the draft or FA.
I just think subpar production + durability issues is not a good combination for success.
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
The Giants viewing someone like DG - one of the worst people in the league at his job - as a friend instead of an employee is why they've been so terrible for so long.
This franchise is stuck at the bottom of the league and they need to turn this shit around
Judge is the key imo.
Of course, UFA will occur before the draft as well. I'd be trying to pick up parts then rather than rely on the draft or late in camp hail mary trades. Actually think Bredeson or Skura are worth keeping, but they've got to figure out RT and C.
- We can only get better, expectations will be high, but not unrealistic.
- We have a great many premium draft pick with which to start
- While the cap situation is tough, we don't have a high priced QB as part of that and should be able to manage the cap after 2022-2023.
- We have an ownership group that will support you (read: keep you around) in perpetuity.
A fella can dream...right?!
I don't think the Mara's can possibly be that obtuse. Jones' performance is dreadful. He will ultimately have to go, and if they don't know that now, and I believe they do, they will learn it when they interview GM candidates. The only people propping up Jones at this stage are the Jones brigade here and media talking heads that won't alienate anybody. Most observers unchained by the need for access are done with Jones. he's not a pro QB.
Of course, UFA will occur before the draft as well. I'd be trying to pick up parts then rather than rely on the draft or late in camp hail mary trades. Actually think Bredeson or Skura are worth keeping, but they've got to figure out RT and C.
What sort of parts would be best for the Giants to get in the offseason? Since we're apparently up against the camp, my thought would be to sign a couple one-year deals, like a stopgap veteran edge to hold down the fort at one DE spot for a season (my draft strategy would be to draft two DEs, have one start and the other one would be eased in), a guard if we don't keep Bredeson or Skura, or a strong safety if we axe Peppers.
I think Abrams was the plan the day Gettleman was hired. But, Mara has to sell it. I don’t see how he can.
If they let DG go now and Giants unlikely as it is, go 5-1, they would have embarrassed a friend when in the end the team showed significant improvement
They will wait and allow him to retire at year s end, doing so does not in anyway impede their ability to prepare for his leaving.
I think all you who have concluded they should move on from Jones understand this most likely will not happen.
You all might be certain it s over, doubt the Giants share this conviction
With "Friends" like that...
As for QB, they just added Fromm and not sure who you think is also sitting at home on his couch worth adding.
Nothing gets changed until we're into January.
Jon, do you have any read on how the Giants view Scott Pioli? I'm not advocating for him, but it was rather odd how he just suddenly appeared on the Papa/Banks podcast last month out of the blue.
Bingo.
And Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, or Brady won’t add much if they are running 2 of three downs every series. Especially the goat.
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in the offensive line and pass rusher, especially since the college QB market isn't all that great.
Bingo.
And Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, or Brady won’t add much if they are running 2 of three downs every series. Especially the goat.
Unless you have Tae Crowder as your MIKE linebacker.
Have we completely ruled-out Abrams as the guy who influences-up and prevents Mara from trying to sell hope in reactionary fashion, with a direct-report as the true talent evaluator that works day-to-day with the head coach?
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in the offensive line and pass rusher, especially since the college QB market isn't all that great.
Bingo.
And Wilson, Rodgers, Watson, or Brady won’t add much if they are running 2 of three downs every series. Especially the goat.
Unless you have Tae Crowder as your MIKE linebacker.
We did not have a good contigency plan for a Martinez season long injury.