He’s ranked 20th in yard and 25th in touch downs with very pedestrian numbers. I understand the Garrettt and line narratives but I see QBs putting up better numbers with similar excuses they could very easily use. Giant fans deserve better.
getting injured and missing games late in the year every year due to lack of instincts and reckless running isn't helping his cause either.
season's not over, but its looking like jones is another botched pick by a front office that's gotten almost everything wrong since 2018
I agree. Like him , wanted him to succeed, but he is a poor QB. He reduced his turnovers by almost never making any plays. His job is to lead TD drives. That only happens once a game. He is so afraid of making mistakes he is late on every throw in the red zone where windows are tight and timing is everything. Not sure he should be starting with almost zero production.
use to sit in the pocket clueless to the on coming rush- he would either be strip sacked or throw a beautiful pass. He had no internal clock ticking in his head.
Now less turnover prone Danny is fully aware his o-line sucks, is constantly feeling heat, internally clock is messed up and is a 1 read throw or tuck and run. Less big plays but much less turnovers. Pick your poison.
take shots at me all you want. Bottom line is he’s average at best and nobody wanted him when we drafted him. Revisionist history is a bitch.
Very rarely does a team move on from a qb taken high in the first round very quickly. Arizona was a huge outlier. For better or worse he's the guy this year and probably next unless a new GM has a strong enough conviction and plan that cleans house.
Make fun of me all you want but if you’d rather DJ over Russell Wilson I suggest you get mentally evaluated. Just cause someone wears a Giants jersey doesn’t mean they are the end all be all. I see Heineckee outplaying him in every facet for fuck sakes.
Stats like QBR (25th) and YPA and AY/A (26th) underscore that.
While I agree there is a health variable to consider, I believe this year has firmed up the position that in order to optimize whatever skills Jones has will require finding a lot of talent to support him. And not vice versa, which is what you would expect from a true franchise QB type...
Stats like QBR (25th) and YPA and AY/A (26th) underscore that.
While I agree there is a health variable to consider, I believe this year has firmed up the position that in order to optimize whatever skills Jones has will require finding a lot of talent to support him. And not vice versa, which is what you would expect from a true franchise QB type...
Indeed. The rankings remain the same whatever you put before him. Better weapons. Better protection. Different plays. He remains what he is. Not a starting NFL QB.
An average(at best) QB + a bad OLine + underwhelming/underperforming/always inured WR's, RB's & TE's = low TD output
Someone needs to explore how many plays we have run inside the 20 and how many were passes in the end zone. How many times inside the 10 do we just run three runs into the center of the line? And if we throw into the end zone it's usually from the shotgun on third and goal.
It's tough to throw TD passes when you aren't allowed the chance to throw into the end zone, particularly when your top 3 receivers don't play half the time. Watch highlights of other teams using play action and well designed pass plays that get receivers open. Jones threw 24 TD passes in 12 games his first year. What's changed since then? The offense we run.
He's like he's always been, going back to when he was at college: not great, not bad, but just so darn ordinary. Just nothing to get excited about. People keep trying to convince themselves there's something more coming, but there really isn't. What you see now is what you are getting. And that includes a low touchdown count.
I keep hearing how Teddy Bridgwater isn't this and isn't that, well what does that make Daniel Jones, because Bridgwater has better stats?
but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
Yeah, and have you seen how bad Wilson looks behind a line that is bad, but not as bad as ours, with his top receivers on the field? Tell me what QB would put up good numbers behind this line with his top 4 receivers each missing half the games?
but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
Yeah, and have you seen how bad Wilson looks behind a line that is bad, but not as bad as ours, with his top receivers on the field? Tell me what QB would put up good numbers behind this line with his top 4 receivers each missing half the games?
Ask DK Metcalf and his one catch from Monday night (which came late in the 4th quarter) how he feels about the OL!
The OL holds back the offense in general but, doesn't give a cart blanche answer about Jones because of one factor:
We do make it into the redzone but we do not score there. We are a 43.33 % rz td team which is actually even worse than last year which was 46.34%.
We can't blame the OL for all of it or we wouldn't even be getting into the RZ period.
Yes, exactly this. We get there and Jones doesn't deliver, week after week. Audible into the right play, make a great throw under pressure, it isn't unreasonable, it happens all over the NFL.
Stats like QBR (25th) and YPA and AY/A (26th) underscore that.
While I agree there is a health variable to consider, I believe this year has firmed up the position that in order to optimize whatever skills Jones has will require finding a lot of talent to support him. And not vice versa, which is what you would expect from a true franchise QB type...
but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
in four years. He did it by first building up the trenches. Build up the trenches on the Giants, and watch how much more effective the skilled players around them become.
but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
Well, Eli's last game, he threw for 283 yards,2 td passes, 10 yards an attempt, the Giants scored 5 td's - in a 25-30 mph wind in NJ in December. His receivers were Shepard, Tate and Kaden Smith.
Probably good bet that his franchise records will remain safe from Danny Dimes.
Oddly enough, the Giants haven't scored more points in a 4 quarters game since. (they did score 41 in OT the following week)
but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
Well, Eli's last game, he threw for 283 yards,2 td passes, 10 yards an attempt, the Giants scored 5 td's - in a 25-30 mph wind in NJ in December. His receivers were Shepard, Tate and Kaden Smith.
Probably good bet that his franchise records will remain safe from Danny Dimes.
Oddly enough, the Giants haven't scored more points in a 4 quarters game since. (they did score 41 in OT the following week)
Please, you want to site one game as an example. Eli was replaced because the team had done so poorly over the last few years he was under center. Just maybe, it wasn't Eli?
eli's last full season in 2018, when he was supposedly cooked,
he threw 21 TDs and 11 INTs and for 4300 yards. he did this with a starting OL of nate solder, will hernandez, spencer pulley, jamon brown and chad wheeler..
jones has come nowhere near approaching these numbers under the current staff.
moreover, jones's supposed mobility was touted as the reason he would necessarily be an improvement because QBs in the modern era cannot expect perfect OL play, need to be able to improvise, throw on the move, use their legs to keep drives alive, and make plays from a 'dirty pocket'.
now the OL, which is no worse than what eli had in 2017-18, and which was arguably better last year than anything eli had in 17 or 18, is held up as evidence as to why jones is failing miserably at quarterback and is unable to throw touchdowns.
Ban this guy yet? Same song and dance every day. Now he is taking political shots at eric.
Wahhhhhhhhh. If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I’m just as passionate a fan as anyone here. I’m sick of my team being a laughingstock and looking for moral victories. We’re the New York football fucking Giants. Time to start acting like it.
but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
He actually won a super bowl with the 32nd ranked OL. Find another excuse.
season's not over, but its looking like jones is another botched pick by a front office that's gotten almost everything wrong since 2018
I believe the mountain of evidence suggests that none of the offensive groups are particularly good.
season's not over, but its looking like jones is another botched pick by a front office that's gotten almost everything wrong since 2018
I agree. Like him , wanted him to succeed, but he is a poor QB. He reduced his turnovers by almost never making any plays. His job is to lead TD drives. That only happens once a game. He is so afraid of making mistakes he is late on every throw in the red zone where windows are tight and timing is everything. Not sure he should be starting with almost zero production.
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All of which ignore a mountain of evidence that Daniel Jones is not very good.
I believe the mountain of evidence suggests that none of the offensive groups are particularly good.
That broader truth includes Jones.
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If Dan Jones misses the next two games, this is the most telling stretch of Giants football since Manning refused to play.
Now less turnover prone Danny is fully aware his o-line sucks, is constantly feeling heat, internally clock is messed up and is a 1 read throw or tuck and run. Less big plays but much less turnovers. Pick your poison.
Yes, they wanted Haskins and Lock instead.
Super.
I mean it is a Giants forum. Nobody is forcing you to read threads
The Endzone. TDs are in the Endzone.
You're welcome?
Very rarely does a team move on from a qb taken high in the first round very quickly. Arizona was a huge outlier. For better or worse he's the guy this year and probably next unless a new GM has a strong enough conviction and plan that cleans house.
How could we not want a baller like Wilson???
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take shots at me all you want. Bottom line is he’s average at best and nobody wanted him when we drafted him. Revisionist history is a bitch.
Yes, they wanted Haskins and Lock instead.
Super.
I don't know to whom you are referring, but many people were of the belief that taking none of them was the preferred option.
While I agree there is a health variable to consider, I believe this year has firmed up the position that in order to optimize whatever skills Jones has will require finding a lot of talent to support him. And not vice versa, which is what you would expect from a true franchise QB type...
While I agree there is a health variable to consider, I believe this year has firmed up the position that in order to optimize whatever skills Jones has will require finding a lot of talent to support him. And not vice versa, which is what you would expect from a true franchise QB type...
Indeed. The rankings remain the same whatever you put before him. Better weapons. Better protection. Different plays. He remains what he is. Not a starting NFL QB.
and mostly Freddys play calling and lets see what happens then
and mostly Freddys play calling and lets see what happens then
Real RB like who? Not Saquon/Booker? They are the ones stopping Daniel Jones from thriving now?
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a complement of healthy receivers
and mostly Freddys play calling and lets see what happens then
Real RB like who? Not Saquon/Booker? They are the ones stopping Daniel Jones from thriving now?
I saw the hit philly put on jones early in the game
The defender hit his helmet so hard the defender bounced 3-4 yds in the air
Maybe Jones thoughts were a little scrambled after that....just saying
Someone needs to explore how many plays we have run inside the 20 and how many were passes in the end zone. How many times inside the 10 do we just run three runs into the center of the line? And if we throw into the end zone it's usually from the shotgun on third and goal.
It's tough to throw TD passes when you aren't allowed the chance to throw into the end zone, particularly when your top 3 receivers don't play half the time. Watch highlights of other teams using play action and well designed pass plays that get receivers open. Jones threw 24 TD passes in 12 games his first year. What's changed since then? The offense we run.
I keep hearing how Teddy Bridgwater isn't this and isn't that, well what does that make Daniel Jones, because Bridgwater has better stats?
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
Kinda like the capital deserved getting stormed by a bunch of right wing nut jobs right?
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but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
Yeah, and have you seen how bad Wilson looks behind a line that is bad, but not as bad as ours, with his top receivers on the field? Tell me what QB would put up good numbers behind this line with his top 4 receivers each missing half the games?
The OL holds back the offense in general but, doesn't give a cart blanche answer about Jones because of one factor:
We do make it into the redzone but we do not score there. We are a 43.33 % rz td team which is actually even worse than last year which was 46.34%.
We can't blame the OL for all of it or we wouldn't even be getting into the RZ period.
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but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
Yeah, and have you seen how bad Wilson looks behind a line that is bad, but not as bad as ours, with his top receivers on the field? Tell me what QB would put up good numbers behind this line with his top 4 receivers each missing half the games?
Ask DK Metcalf and his one catch from Monday night (which came late in the 4th quarter) how he feels about the OL!
The OL holds back the offense in general but, doesn't give a cart blanche answer about Jones because of one factor:
We do make it into the redzone but we do not score there. We are a 43.33 % rz td team which is actually even worse than last year which was 46.34%.
We can't blame the OL for all of it or we wouldn't even be getting into the RZ period.
While I agree there is a health variable to consider, I believe this year has firmed up the position that in order to optimize whatever skills Jones has will require finding a lot of talent to support him. And not vice versa, which is what you would expect from a true franchise QB type...
+1
Well stated.
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but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
Kinda like the capital deserved getting stormed by a bunch of right wing nut jobs right?
I'm sure you're at your desk thinking this moronic comment was clever.
As for Jones, I'm not a big fan of his, but when you have no line, run game, and a constant rotation of wrs, it's just hard to score TDs.
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but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
Probably good bet that his franchise records will remain safe from Danny Dimes.
Oddly enough, the Giants haven't scored more points in a 4 quarters game since. (they did score 41 in OT the following week)
Now thats a nightmare
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but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
Well, Eli's last game, he threw for 283 yards,2 td passes, 10 yards an attempt, the Giants scored 5 td's - in a 25-30 mph wind in NJ in December. His receivers were Shepard, Tate and Kaden Smith.
Probably good bet that his franchise records will remain safe from Danny Dimes.
Oddly enough, the Giants haven't scored more points in a 4 quarters game since. (they did score 41 in OT the following week)
jones has come nowhere near approaching these numbers under the current staff.
moreover, jones's supposed mobility was touted as the reason he would necessarily be an improvement because QBs in the modern era cannot expect perfect OL play, need to be able to improvise, throw on the move, use their legs to keep drives alive, and make plays from a 'dirty pocket'.
now the OL, which is no worse than what eli had in 2017-18, and which was arguably better last year than anything eli had in 17 or 18, is held up as evidence as to why jones is failing miserably at quarterback and is unable to throw touchdowns.
the hypocrisy is laughable.
Wahhhhhhhhh. If you can’t take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. I’m just as passionate a fan as anyone here. I’m sick of my team being a laughingstock and looking for moral victories. We’re the New York football fucking Giants. Time to start acting like it.
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but I'm guessing the TDs are in the same place as the OL that we don't have
That excuse is tiring. There’s bad OLs all over the league.
The OL has been very bad for years. Remind me, how well did Eli do behind it? How well did Eli do behind a very effective OL? Its the OL until it is not.
He actually won a super bowl with the 32nd ranked OL. Find another excuse.