I'm A. I don't think many QB's would be successful behind this dumpster fire of an O-line. Let the next GM understand that the number one priority in the draft is to come away with at least three new starters on the OL. Even then we are counting on rookies to make the jump for improvement but I want to see what DJ can do with at least an improved running game and an extra 1.5 seconds in the pocket. If he can prove it after that I'll jump on the B bandwagon.
He hasn't had a fair shake. shitty oline, key contributors hurt etc.. but the one thing i've noticed is he doesn't rise above that and make the players around him better.
If he needs everything to be perfect, then he's only as good as a those components.
Eli carried the team 2011, we didn't have much of a running game for most of the year and the line was ok, but not great and on the decline. Eli made that team better, he took no name TEs and made them key contributors (Ballard and Pascoe). Granted he wasn't able to overcome the shitty oline in the later years, but not many could.
Could DJ even come close to what Eli did in 2011? I know one things for sure, he would have left candlestick in a body bag.
The nail in the coffin for me was the Bucs game. That INT to the dlineman was inexcusable. Teams know how to beat him and I think at this point he is what he is, a good athlete that doesn't have championship DNA.
The team is awful.
They need their draft picks to fill a ton of holes.
They have no cap space.
The college QB class appears to be nothing special.
So the best option might be to continue down the "A" track, knowing that it probably leads to "B" but figuring there's not much to lose by holding out hope for "C".
Agreed. I think it's probably "B," but because of his low cap number he's very likely to get one more chance next season to prove he should be the QB of the Giants. We'd of course have a better and clearer answer to that question if we had fewer injuries at the skill positions and improved OL play.
because Jones is under contract for 2022 and thus, he'll have a chance to compete for the job with whomever else we bring in next season.
If you're saying "B" definitively as though we are completely done with him, that suggests either that he'll be traded (good luck) or that he's going to ride the bench next year no matter what. The first of those options is wishful thinking, and the second is unlikely, no matter who the new GM and/or coach are.
In all likelihood DJ will have a chance to compete for the job next year. If he wins the job again THEN we will need to make a decision about his fate.
Most of us agree Jones would do much better with a decent OL ( sounds like a broken record) and maybe some health with wr being on field same time
Issue is most average qbs in the league would
I do like his mobility, tenacity and will to win
But not enough production in the red zone and even when he has time to throw, is average
Some throws he makes really well, some. Meh
Issue is, who do we bring in that’s better?
Might have to be 2023. Spend 2022 getting 2 oline in first four rds, two ER and a Blake Martinez type ILB to pair with a comebacking Martinez 2 way TE and a RB would top off my immediate needs
IDK if we have enough cap maneuverability to sign an adequate interior olineman. If so, that would be helpful. If that’s the case , we can draft maybe just 1 oline high Obviously hopeful gates and SL( to some extent) come back close to 100%. SL no savior but he did show a lot of positive and hopefully can cleanup some negatives so he can be a piece on the oline.
2-3 starting OL, an Edge, and an ILB out of this year's draft and next year will be his evaluation year. Throw in a Day3 RB and TE, also.
Pretty much in agreement . Heck, I would go with two ER and ojulari for my rotation
Would be nice if they see enough from E smith to be part of rotation after a yr in weight room/ acclimation.
... an awful lot of NFL quarterbacks belong on "Plan B" - including, for most of his career, Eli Manning.
The 2011 Giants were a good - although thin - team that went through an awful slump between Boley's injury and Cruz's crazy-ass TD against the Jets. The offensive line was old and banged up, and they were overmatched against San Francisco's front seven, but at least they could run-block. This unit doesn't do anything well.
Not a defense of Jones. I just think the benchmark is wrong. A better comp would be 2013.
He'll be given another year due to lack of options
Paraphrase from this week's Big Blue Banter were Schneier said yes DJ has a lot of legitimate excuses for his bad play, but eventually you have to stop going "it's the bad OL! It's the OC! It's the HC!" and acknowledge his role in the offense being anemic.
I don't see him magically sprouting into something different than we've seen in his pro career thus far
Was he so damaged by Garrett that he is now a Solid B per the above?
Is he reclamable?
Do we draft a QB and start over....with a new GM.....being smarter with the cap?
That guy that threw 3 - 4 TDs also turned it over a bunch. Garrett pumped the brakes on Jones so that he'd stop turning it over. But while his fumbles have gone down, his INTs have been about the same.
We'll see what happens if Kitchens dials in more downfield passing.
But I do not think there is a cheaper option that is better than Jones in 2022. Where we are slated to draft in Round 1 there are no QB's that appear to be BPA. If we are looking at a QB I wait until the end of Round 1 and trade up (so we have 5th year option) if there is one that we have a conviction on or otherwise stick with our 2nd round pick and select whomever is left (like Raiders did with Derek Carr). If no QB's that we like are there at our 2nd round pick I would look at someone like Cunningham, Eleby (if he declares), etc. in Round 3/4 area.
Every year there are QB's talked about as Day 2 guys who slide to Day 3. Often there is not much difference in grades between Day 2 and Day 3 QB's so teams would rather wait and see who falls to Day 3 and use Day 2 picks on players where the dropoff is larger. It also does not help that the lack of 5th year option makes teams hesitant to use Day 2 pick on a player who will likely sit on the bench all year. I think if it was negotiated that QB's would have 5th year option no matter where they were drafted you would stop seeing overdrafted Round 1 QB's and a greater number of Day 2 QB's.
or he was broken to begin with (poor pocket presence, inability to feel the rush, bad vision, injury prone, bad decisions, doesn't protect himself while running, etc), or even both-- doesn't even matter now.
it should be clear as day to anyone being objective and dispassionate:
he's a broken player playing in a broken offense.
This was his make or break year for his 5th year option being picked
up or an extension. I can't see either of those things happening - particularly with a new GM coming in. But he'll be back next year - most likely as the starter unless the Giants make a very un-Giant like move by trading him or making a trade for a veteran replacement. I believe next year will be his audition to the new GM and hopefully he'll be playing behind a better offensive line.
I really wanted him to be the guy, he's flashed at times - but the one consistent is his inconsistency (and being injury prone). He hasn't elevated the team and that's what you want your franchise QB to do.
He's never been good. He has some tools and physical attributes, but he is not a good QB.
People shouldn't be shocked, either. Lots of QBs that get drafted high aren't good. It happens all the time. This is just part of the process - you pick a guy, try him out, and if he's not good you try again.
He will be a forgettable NFL player like a JP Losman, EJ Manual, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden. Not completely incapable, but someone who makes no impact in the league. He'll be rich though.
Unfortunately we have wasted years 1-3 with sub par talent around him and he may be broken like Carr was in Houston. The talent around him almost game in and game out during his 3 years is a revolving door. I dont think many QBs can be successful with what he's been given to work with. We have seen every QB fail when they are under pressure.
He's under pressure and he doesnt have consistent talent at WR on a game to game basis. Last year we were playing street free agents at WR and this year we have not had our starters again except for a few plays. Our OL is the worst in the league or bottom 5 if your being generous.
DJ is probably a middle of the road QB but middle of the road can get it done. I dont want to start from scratch again like we did year after year with Dave Brown, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham. Kerry Collins got us to a Superbowl. Eli manning had a terrible last 5-6 years of his career due to bad OL and talent around him.
Even if DJ is not the guy, I think putting a rookie with this talent will be the same result. I think we have 2 more seasons with DJ before the huge money is owed. Next season use the 2 top 10 picks to build talent and see what we have. If you love a QB and he falls to you take him if not let the season play out and look again in the next draft if needed.
Forcing a QB next season is a mistake, trading 2 premium picks plus and starting over is not going work unless the guy is a star. Looking at the draft right now, it doesnt appear there is a star. so dont blow it up yet.
There has to be a code -- No exceptions to QB changes
I actually watched a lot of Eli's last game as the starting QB -- mind you not when he got the start after Jones was hurt -- but when he was the actual starting QB for the Giants.
It is sort of interesting to watch and hear Collinsworth's comments.
Firstly, he thought they should have taken Darnold since Eli had only "3-4 good years left" LOL! But they got Bark in order to supposedly help Eli / felt he was just the best player in the draft.
So now who really is OK with the Darnold part?
Also it was just ridiculous how bad this oline was. Flowers was a freakin turnstyle. Eli had like 6 sacks. The defense was horrible. Eli still made a couple of nice plays to some guy you never heard of when they left him one on one and he maybe missed an open Beckham but threw it underneath , but whatever he was completely out of rhythm as any body would be by then
Anyway, so here we are , we reached to draft a QB who by every account is not a 6 pick, instead of sitting him , starting him because we needed wins now or at least Shurm did. We thought a mobile QB could negate so of the horrible o line play.
Instead what do we really have. A bad football team is a bad football team. A QB who does not really create when is faced with pressure but takes off running and frequently injures himself because he does not slide or fumbles a lot or throws bad passes to defensve ends. Pretty much the same crumby record of .300. A yet failed oline rebuld.
The point I am making is why does Jones get the benefit of the doubt but Eli a 2x SB MVP with like top 6-7 stats when he was DJs age not get it?
The only difference amongst any of us is the level of delusion.
It didn't have to take this long to arrive at this answer either.
Funny how some people are already saying next year is the make or break year, when it was commonly this year prior to the season. Gettleman even said so.
Because every fan knew the offensive line was terrible last year. We all assumed we would shore up the line via draft. We didn’t select one player at the position we relied on guys like Lemieux, who’s replacement level at best. Relied on guys like Hernandez. Peart, who couldn’t beat out Nate solder and still can’t get on the field. There’s a reason many of us wanted slater. We, as fans, recognized the weak spot on the team but this inept staff went into the season believing in this group. Horrible miscalculation and after one injury we scrambled with trades to get price who’s clearly not a starter. Skura who’s also clearly not a starter. Solder not even backup level at this point. Hernandez regressed each season. This is your 2021 offensive line. Good luck to Barkley and Daniel
Unfortunately we have wasted years 1-3 with sub par talent around him and he may be broken like Carr was in Houston. The talent around him almost game in and game out during his 3 years is a revolving door. I dont think many QBs can be successful with what he's been given to work with. We have seen every QB fail when they are under pressure.
He's under pressure and he doesnt have consistent talent at WR on a game to game basis. Last year we were playing street free agents at WR and this year we have not had our starters again except for a few plays. Our OL is the worst in the league or bottom 5 if your being generous.
DJ is probably a middle of the road QB but middle of the road can get it done. I dont want to start from scratch again like we did year after year with Dave Brown, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham. Kerry Collins got us to a Superbowl. Eli manning had a terrible last 5-6 years of his career due to bad OL and talent around him.
Even if DJ is not the guy, I think putting a rookie with this talent will be the same result. I think we have 2 more seasons with DJ before the huge money is owed. Next season use the 2 top 10 picks to build talent and see what we have. If you love a QB and he falls to you take him if not let the season play out and look again in the next draft if needed.
Forcing a QB next season is a mistake, trading 2 premium picks plus and starting over is not going work unless the guy is a star. Looking at the draft right now, it doesnt appear there is a star. so dont blow it up yet.
IMO it's not correct to say that eli had a terrible last six years to his career due to poor OL.
eli had a terrible 2013, and a terrible 2017. in 2016 he took the team to the playoffs and had 26 TDs and over 4k yards. shit, in 2018 he had 21 TDs and over 4k yards with a 7.5 YAC.
jones has been dealt a shitty hand, no doubt, but his numbers have been worse every year of his short career than eli's worst years in 2013 and 2017.
There are a lot of variables at play when it comes to answering that question. The Giants have him for one more year under the current contract, so there isn't an urgency for salary cap reasons. So it comes down to what kind of improvement (if any) he shows in the next six weeks versus who is available (either via trade or free agency or in the draft) and at what cost. I still think he can be a starting QB in this league, but not the kind you want to pay $35M+/year. So I don't see myself recommending that the Giants pick up the option in May. That would require a couple of playoff wins on his resume.
My current opinion is that he checks a lot of boxes, but he doesn't process what he sees fast enough to be elite and he's injury prone on top of that. The combination of those two "dings" is a dealbreaker for me when it comes to a longterm commitment.
I probably if I am being totally honest, I would say B.
On the other hand, he's had a tough deal here with the way
that this organization has 'helped' him out.
That's really not an excuse, if most are being honest about it.
That's been the reality around here. Get some damn offensive lineman already, will 'ya! And add an ER or two.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing what they could get for
Barkley. They picked his option for about 7 mill. or so.
See, what you could get for him, make a few calls.
I'm not sure this organization would agree on that?
Load up on draft picks, hell they need them!
He will be a forgettable NFL player like a JP Losman, EJ Manual, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden. Not completely incapable, but someone who makes no impact in the league. He'll be rich though.
Totally disagree. I think Jones is better than all those guys. I also think JOnes will be in the league a long time. He's not the franchise but he's a level above guys like JP Losman.
it is time to move on. As others have said, there doesn't appear to be logical better options on the horizon. No stop gap FA for me, thank you. Doesn't appear to be draft options, but you never know. Please don't throw draft and cap capital at a trade. We need that to fix this team. No more putting the cart before the horse.
I don't think he's going to be in the good-great category, but he's good enough for now, or until a better option is available.
I think its pretty clear its time to plan for someone else
at QB. Jones could have some some upside, but it won't be here. He's cheap for 1 more season and we won't have the personnel needed before its time to pay him.
Decline the 5th year option and draft/sign the next QB and let them battle it out with Jones or trade him.
Sigh ... Can we say "D - needs more time but this is the NFL where he's used all of the time the team can give"? I mean, we're in year 3 and there's been no dramatic growth.
That said, I think it is "A" by default given that bringing in what's likely to be on the FA market is not an upgrade and neither are any of the top QBs in the draft next year.
Like some others here have suggested, I'd favor drafting OL and Edge heavy in the first four rounds and look for our stud qb the year after. Not b/c I'm willing to give Jones more time, but because I think it is what best serves the team.
I'm A. I don't think many QB's would be successful behind this dumpster fire of an O-line. Let the next GM understand that the number one priority in the draft is to come away with at least three new starters on the OL. Even then we are counting on rookies to make the jump for improvement but I want to see what DJ can do with at least an improved running game and an extra 1.5 seconds in the pocket. If he can prove it after that I'll jump on the B bandwagon.
Someone posted on here the PFF numbers on the oline
They were middle of the pack in every category
The oline is not dancing the season away, someone else is
If he needs everything to be perfect, then he's only as good as a those components.
Eli carried the team 2011, we didn't have much of a running game for most of the year and the line was ok, but not great and on the decline. Eli made that team better, he took no name TEs and made them key contributors (Ballard and Pascoe). Granted he wasn't able to overcome the shitty oline in the later years, but not many could.
Could DJ even come close to what Eli did in 2011? I know one things for sure, he would have left candlestick in a body bag.
The nail in the coffin for me was the Bucs game. That INT to the dlineman was inexcusable. Teams know how to beat him and I think at this point he is what he is, a good athlete that doesn't have championship DNA.
At this point you have to move on. But don't be surprised if he goes to another team and becomes something good.
The team is awful.
They need their draft picks to fill a ton of holes.
They have no cap space.
The college QB class appears to be nothing special.
So the best option might be to continue down the "A" track, knowing that it probably leads to "B" but figuring there's not much to lose by holding out hope for "C".
Agreed. I think it's probably "B," but because of his low cap number he's very likely to get one more chance next season to prove he should be the QB of the Giants. We'd of course have a better and clearer answer to that question if we had fewer injuries at the skill positions and improved OL play.
If you're saying "B" definitively as though we are completely done with him, that suggests either that he'll be traded (good luck) or that he's going to ride the bench next year no matter what. The first of those options is wishful thinking, and the second is unlikely, no matter who the new GM and/or coach are.
In all likelihood DJ will have a chance to compete for the job next year. If he wins the job again THEN we will need to make a decision about his fate.
Issue is most average qbs in the league would
I do like his mobility, tenacity and will to win
But not enough production in the red zone and even when he has time to throw, is average
Some throws he makes really well, some. Meh
Issue is, who do we bring in that’s better?
Might have to be 2023. Spend 2022 getting 2 oline in first four rds, two ER and a Blake Martinez type ILB to pair with a comebacking Martinez 2 way TE and a RB would top off my immediate needs
IDK if we have enough cap maneuverability to sign an adequate interior olineman. If so, that would be helpful. If that’s the case , we can draft maybe just 1 oline high Obviously hopeful gates and SL( to some extent) come back close to 100%. SL no savior but he did show a lot of positive and hopefully can cleanup some negatives so he can be a piece on the oline.
Pretty much in agreement . Heck, I would go with two ER and ojulari for my rotation
Would be nice if they see enough from E smith to be part of rotation after a yr in weight room/ acclimation.
The 2011 Giants were a good - although thin - team that went through an awful slump between Boley's injury and Cruz's crazy-ass TD against the Jets. The offensive line was old and banged up, and they were overmatched against San Francisco's front seven, but at least they could run-block. This unit doesn't do anything well.
Not a defense of Jones. I just think the benchmark is wrong. A better comp would be 2013.
I don't see him magically sprouting into something different than we've seen in his pro career thus far
He's broken as a NYG.
Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start this kid has had to his career and finds glory with the same organization.
This is all that matters ....
And I don't think even the Giants believe it's A anymore.
I think DG probably still does - but that's it.
Was he so damaged by Garrett that he is now a Solid B per the above?
Is he reclamable?
Do we draft a QB and start over....with a new GM.....being smarter with the cap?
That guy that threw 3 - 4 TDs also turned it over a bunch. Garrett pumped the brakes on Jones so that he'd stop turning it over. But while his fumbles have gone down, his INTs have been about the same.
We'll see what happens if Kitchens dials in more downfield passing.
Every year there are QB's talked about as Day 2 guys who slide to Day 3. Often there is not much difference in grades between Day 2 and Day 3 QB's so teams would rather wait and see who falls to Day 3 and use Day 2 picks on players where the dropoff is larger. It also does not help that the lack of 5th year option makes teams hesitant to use Day 2 pick on a player who will likely sit on the bench all year. I think if it was negotiated that QB's would have 5th year option no matter where they were drafted you would stop seeing overdrafted Round 1 QB's and a greater number of Day 2 QB's.
RIGHT?!?!?!?!
How does a player come back from where he is now???
It would be the statistical anomaly of all NFL anomalies...
it should be clear as day to anyone being objective and dispassionate:
he's a broken player playing in a broken offense.
I really wanted him to be the guy, he's flashed at times - but the one consistent is his inconsistency (and being injury prone). He hasn't elevated the team and that's what you want your franchise QB to do.
People shouldn't be shocked, either. Lots of QBs that get drafted high aren't good. It happens all the time. This is just part of the process - you pick a guy, try him out, and if he's not good you try again.
He will be a forgettable NFL player like a JP Losman, EJ Manual, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden. Not completely incapable, but someone who makes no impact in the league. He'll be rich though.
He's under pressure and he doesnt have consistent talent at WR on a game to game basis. Last year we were playing street free agents at WR and this year we have not had our starters again except for a few plays. Our OL is the worst in the league or bottom 5 if your being generous.
DJ is probably a middle of the road QB but middle of the road can get it done. I dont want to start from scratch again like we did year after year with Dave Brown, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham. Kerry Collins got us to a Superbowl. Eli manning had a terrible last 5-6 years of his career due to bad OL and talent around him.
Even if DJ is not the guy, I think putting a rookie with this talent will be the same result. I think we have 2 more seasons with DJ before the huge money is owed. Next season use the 2 top 10 picks to build talent and see what we have. If you love a QB and he falls to you take him if not let the season play out and look again in the next draft if needed.
Forcing a QB next season is a mistake, trading 2 premium picks plus and starting over is not going work unless the guy is a star. Looking at the draft right now, it doesnt appear there is a star. so dont blow it up yet.
It is sort of interesting to watch and hear Collinsworth's comments.
Firstly, he thought they should have taken Darnold since Eli had only "3-4 good years left" LOL! But they got Bark in order to supposedly help Eli / felt he was just the best player in the draft.
So now who really is OK with the Darnold part?
Also it was just ridiculous how bad this oline was. Flowers was a freakin turnstyle. Eli had like 6 sacks. The defense was horrible. Eli still made a couple of nice plays to some guy you never heard of when they left him one on one and he maybe missed an open Beckham but threw it underneath , but whatever he was completely out of rhythm as any body would be by then
Anyway, so here we are , we reached to draft a QB who by every account is not a 6 pick, instead of sitting him , starting him because we needed wins now or at least Shurm did. We thought a mobile QB could negate so of the horrible o line play.
Instead what do we really have. A bad football team is a bad football team. A QB who does not really create when is faced with pressure but takes off running and frequently injures himself because he does not slide or fumbles a lot or throws bad passes to defensve ends. Pretty much the same crumby record of .300. A yet failed oline rebuld.
The point I am making is why does Jones get the benefit of the doubt but Eli a 2x SB MVP with like top 6-7 stats when he was DJs age not get it?
QBs don’t get ruined. They’re just bad.
Too soon?
Quote:
The only difference amongst any of us is the level of delusion.
It didn't have to take this long to arrive at this answer either.
Funny how some people are already saying next year is the make or break year, when it was commonly this year prior to the season. Gettleman even said so.
Because every fan knew the offensive line was terrible last year. We all assumed we would shore up the line via draft. We didn’t select one player at the position we relied on guys like Lemieux, who’s replacement level at best. Relied on guys like Hernandez. Peart, who couldn’t beat out Nate solder and still can’t get on the field. There’s a reason many of us wanted slater. We, as fans, recognized the weak spot on the team but this inept staff went into the season believing in this group. Horrible miscalculation and after one injury we scrambled with trades to get price who’s clearly not a starter. Skura who’s also clearly not a starter. Solder not even backup level at this point. Hernandez regressed each season. This is your 2021 offensive line. Good luck to Barkley and Daniel
He's under pressure and he doesnt have consistent talent at WR on a game to game basis. Last year we were playing street free agents at WR and this year we have not had our starters again except for a few plays. Our OL is the worst in the league or bottom 5 if your being generous.
DJ is probably a middle of the road QB but middle of the road can get it done. I dont want to start from scratch again like we did year after year with Dave Brown, Danny Kannell, Kent Graham. Kerry Collins got us to a Superbowl. Eli manning had a terrible last 5-6 years of his career due to bad OL and talent around him.
Even if DJ is not the guy, I think putting a rookie with this talent will be the same result. I think we have 2 more seasons with DJ before the huge money is owed. Next season use the 2 top 10 picks to build talent and see what we have. If you love a QB and he falls to you take him if not let the season play out and look again in the next draft if needed.
Forcing a QB next season is a mistake, trading 2 premium picks plus and starting over is not going work unless the guy is a star. Looking at the draft right now, it doesnt appear there is a star. so dont blow it up yet.
IMO it's not correct to say that eli had a terrible last six years to his career due to poor OL.
eli had a terrible 2013, and a terrible 2017. in 2016 he took the team to the playoffs and had 26 TDs and over 4k yards. shit, in 2018 he had 21 TDs and over 4k yards with a 7.5 YAC.
jones has been dealt a shitty hand, no doubt, but his numbers have been worse every year of his short career than eli's worst years in 2013 and 2017.
My current opinion is that he checks a lot of boxes, but he doesn't process what he sees fast enough to be elite and he's injury prone on top of that. The combination of those two "dings" is a dealbreaker for me when it comes to a longterm commitment.
He could have been a player in a good situation but he isn't good enough to overcome the other shortfalls with the team and coaching.
Regardless of how we got here, we need to move forward with another option at QB.
On the other hand, he's had a tough deal here with the way
that this organization has 'helped' him out.
That's really not an excuse, if most are being honest about it.
That's been the reality around here. Get some damn offensive lineman already, will 'ya! And add an ER or two.
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing what they could get for
Barkley. They picked his option for about 7 mill. or so.
See, what you could get for him, make a few calls.
I'm not sure this organization would agree on that?
Load up on draft picks, hell they need them!
He will be a forgettable NFL player like a JP Losman, EJ Manual, Jake Locker, Brandon Weeden. Not completely incapable, but someone who makes no impact in the league. He'll be rich though.
Totally disagree. I think Jones is better than all those guys. I also think JOnes will be in the league a long time. He's not the franchise but he's a level above guys like JP Losman.
I don't think he's going to be in the good-great category, but he's good enough for now, or until a better option is available.
Decline the 5th year option and draft/sign the next QB and let them battle it out with Jones or trade him.
That said, I think it is "A" by default given that bringing in what's likely to be on the FA market is not an upgrade and neither are any of the top QBs in the draft next year.
Like some others here have suggested, I'd favor drafting OL and Edge heavy in the first four rounds and look for our stud qb the year after. Not b/c I'm willing to give Jones more time, but because I think it is what best serves the team.
What is going to change?
Someone posted on here the PFF numbers on the oline
They were middle of the pack in every category
The oline is not dancing the season away, someone else is