DJ's Replacement

pay a free agent than trade away draft picks. Isn't Jones guaranteed 8 million for 2022? Might be best just to stick with him

there is a long, recent thread on this where you might see some feedback...
https://corner.bigblueinteractive.com/index.php?mode=2&thread=615453 - ( New Window )

happening due to salary cap restrictions.

Wilson and Rodgers don't seem like viable options unless you're making actual player-for-player trades due to the cap situation and the inability to back load deals for them.

DG hamstrung this organization for the next 2-3 years thanks to deals like the ones Shepard/Martinez/Galloday/Bradberry/Williams/Jackson have.

I know many claim the cap is soft/flexible/invisible whatever - but their just isn't room to make a deal for one of those guys.

Watson is possible b/c you can backload his contract...but I seriously doubt the Giants would touch his situation.

Thank you

Having an established QB obviously is attractive because of how difficult the conversion is from college to NFL, but it also poses issues. Every QB has different strengths and weaknesses, puts balls in different locations, reads defenses differently, etc. If you tailor an offense for a stopgap QB but then draft a QB with a different skill set there is a large learning curve. If WR's have to adjust to different ball placements or knowing when the QB is expecting you to break off a route versus continuing that chemistry takes time to develop.

We should be drafting a quarterback somewhere in the draft every year.

In comment 15475872 Go Terps said:

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We should be drafting a quarterback somewhere in the draft every year.

Because we have a bunch of other positions (OL, defense) where the team is performing subpar, unless you're fine with that.

In comment 15475892 Angel Eyes said:

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In comment 15475872 Go Terps said: Quote: We should be drafting a quarterback somewhere in the draft every year. Because we have a bunch of other positions (OL, defense) where the team is performing subpar, unless you're fine with that.

So? Who is saying not to address those areas?

Who espoused the QB every draft philosophy. But he had 17 rounds to work with.

In comment 15475872 Go Terps said:

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We should be drafting a quarterback somewhere in the draft every year.

Because that is how you get no pass rushers or OL, but you get to see Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb

If not, even if you don't like DJ you sacrifice the last year of DJ and make your team better for the next young QB, otherwise you will ruin next QB if he also happens to not be the next Patrick Maholmes are Kyler Murray

who are you really going to get thats going to be better. If Tyler Heinicke can win you games, so can DJ. Spend the FA money and draft picks elsewhere

In comment 15475938 ImThatGuy said:

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who are you really going to get thats going to be better. If Tyler Heinicke can win you games, so can DJ. Spend the FA money and draft picks elsewhere

It really is team based and no one gets it.

Russell Wilson is 2-6 this year. Deshaun Watson was 4-12 last year.

Giants need to do what Tampa does. Build up the lines. Look what dominance they do week in and week out. For NYG, they need four other quality lineman and a real pass rusher to assist Leonard Williams and Azeez Ojulari.

Not to incline I wouldn't oppose a new QB. Jones has warts and it's coming up on getting him a new deal. I wouldn't want to overpay a guy when he still needs to show his worth.

But facts are facts. The line is horrid. A new QB, a scrambler or not, would struggle with it as well.

Is DJ or Andy Dalton....im taking DJ 11 times outta 10.

... and also why that is important to you. Finally, who decides whether a player is "blue chip"?

He lost his job to a vet QB that didn't really show all that much in Miami. Maybe he could be on the other end of it now. If it doesn't work out, no harm. Was quite impressive in the 1 game he played with Vegas last year (obviously small sample). Just think he's a guy who could have a Tannehill type revival in his next spot.

Do you roll the dice?

He is dynamic and would be absolutely lethal with Golladay, Toney, Slayton & Engram.

I'm not advocating one position over the other. I am saying that the need at quarterback is every bit as great, or greater, than it is on the OL.

The Giants aren't in a position to wait for anything at quarterback. When they can improve the position, they should.

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Do you roll the dice? He is dynamic and would be absolutely lethal with Golladay, Toney, Slayton & Engram.

thats a steal and wont happen for that price if he is cleared.

In comment 15475924 SteelGiant said:

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In comment 15475872 Go Terps said: Quote: We should be drafting a quarterback somewhere in the draft every year. Because that is how you get no pass rushers or OL, but you get to see Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb

Like Avery Moss and Kyle Bisnowaty? Or R.J. McIntosh? Or George Asafo-Adjei?

I'd certainly take Dalton over Jimmy G. Jimmy has great surrounding talent and I think I'm being kind in saying he looks average at best. However I'd prefer neither over DJ. Not because he's better, but he has more upside.

I'd prefer we go the draft route. There's a couple prospects I like. I'm sure the whole pre-draft rankings will inflate their stock like every year, but I think there is some solid talent. Whether or not they are good value where we pick is another question.

In comment 15475963 Go Terps said:

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I'm not advocating one position over the other. I am saying that the need at quarterback is every bit as great, or greater, than it is on the OL. The Giants aren't in a position to wait for anything at quarterback. When they can improve the position, they should.

Sorry Terps, I will have to agree to disagree. There are a lot of QBs that have gone through the NFL with loads of talent who end up as busts. But in my opinion this happens often because bad OLines create terrible QBs more than good QBs make olines appear better.

There is more of chance your choice of QB would all of sudden be a terrible QB then all of sudden our team is awesome because of the QB.

1. Tell Jones and his agent that they are no longer part of the Giants future and begin looking for a trade partner.

2. We don't know how the current market of existing NFL QBs is going to play out. That will dictate decision making.

3. Depending on what happens in #1 and #2 will dictate the draft. I think it's a pretty good crop and we should be doing a full colonoscopy on these prospects.

Is going to be a Giant. Giants look at guys with NE ties in the FO, so next GM will likely have some familiarity with Jimmy G.

I think he fits what Judge wants this team to be. A grind it out team similar to the SF team that Garoppolo took to the Super Bowl.

As for what happens with Jones, I’m not sure. Could keep him around to compete and hope he takes a huge leap and beats out JG.

The eagles good center went down, the offense was absolute garbage. Center came back in even hurt, team was better.

Now hypothetically, what would have been the result if the center never got hurt and they put in Minshee, I say eagles do just fine.

But if center goes out, and Minshew gets put in for Hurts probably still terrible, because the holding play still happens.

The QB can be part of the problem, but the QB is not the solution.

This is what happens when you try to fix your shit team by keep drafting QBs

1999 Tim Couch (14) / Ty Detmer (2)
2000 Doug Pederson (8) / Tim Couch (7) / Spergon Wynn (1)
2001 Tim Couch (16)
2002 Tim Couch (14) / Kelly Holcomb (2)
2003 Kelly Holcomb (8) / Tim Couch (8)
2004 Jeff Garcia (10) / Luke McCown (4) / Kelly Holcomb (2)
2005 Trent Dilfer (11) / Charlie Frye (5)
2006 Charlie Frye (13) / Derek Anderson (3)
2007 Derek Anderson (15) / Charlie Frye (1)
2008 Derek Anderson (9) / Brady Quinn (3) / Ken Dorsey (3) / Bruce Gradkowski (1)
2009 Brady Quinn (9) / Derek Anderson (7)
2010 Colt McCoy (8) / Jake Delhomme (4) / Seneca Wallace (4)
2011 Colt McCoy (13) / Seneca Wallace (3)
2012 Brandon Weeden (15) / Thad Lewis (1)
2013 Jason Campbell (8) / Brandon Weeden (5) / Brian Hoyer (3)
2014 Brian Hoyer (13) / Johnny Manziel (2) / Connor Shaw (1)
2015 Josh McCown (8) / Johnny Manziel (6) / Austin Davis (2)
2016 Cody Kessler (8) / Robert Griffin III (5) / Josh McCown (3)
2017 DeShone Kizer (15) / Kevin Hogan (1)

Your team will be a turnstile of failures at QB

In comment 15475976 Breeze_94 said:

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Is going to be a Giant. Giants look at guys with NE ties in the FO, so next GM will likely have some familiarity with Jimmy G. I think he fits what Judge wants this team to be. A grind it out team similar to the SF team that Garoppolo took to the Super Bowl. As for what happens with Jones, I’m not sure. Could keep him around to compete and hope he takes a huge leap and beats out JG.

Jimmy G is not an FA in 2022 and is under contract for 27m. No thanks to trading picks and picking up that salary

In comment 15475987 SteelGiant said:

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This is what happens when you try to fix your shit team by keep drafting QBs

One might argue that's what happens if you are shockingly bad at drafting, ignore the OL almost entirely for YEARS, and draft the wrong QBs.

The Browns were sitting there at #6 in 2004, and instead of drafting Ohio native Ben Roethlisberger, took Kellen Winslow. They took Luke McCown in the 4th round.

In 2005, Aaron Rodgers fell into their lap at #3 when the 49ers took Alex Smith and the Browns decided on Braylon Edwards. They took QB Charlie Frye in the 3rd round.

And listen, everybody missed on Tom Brady in 2000, but the Browns picked a QB in the 6th round that year, 16 picks ahead of Brady, and it was Spergon Wynn.

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In comment 15475872 Go Terps said: Quote: We should be drafting a quarterback somewhere in the draft every year. Because that is how you get no pass rushers or OL, but you get to see Kyle Lauletta and Davis Webb

Cannot give a better response than that.

Eli, Ben & Rivers produced Mayfield, Darnold, Allen and Rosen in the top 10 and Jackson with #32. Three of the top 10 are busts and I'm including Mayfield for a #1 pick in the draft he's a bust, at best a journeyman starter. Darnold and Rosen aren't even that.

NFL teams drafting QBs have had a low batting average for decades. I think all of us posting here with our opinions, watching clips, watching games, listening to ex QBs like Phil and Chris Simms evaluating prospects would do as well or better than half the NFL GMs.

My point is I think everyone talking about no QBs worth drafting and no QBs in the draft hype machine yet is good news for the Giants. Maybe there's someone worth a pick that drops into the 3rd round? Maybe the Giants with hopefully a new GM decide the kid from Pitt is worth their second 1st round pick? Either way it's a long way to the draft from here.

I think it will be interesting if Glennon has to play a few games in row to compare him to Jones. Of course if Glennon does well it will be because Jason Garrett held Jones back.