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Thoughts on the optimistic hope that we can finish 9-8

Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2021 11:21 pm
I've been thinking all along that 9-8 will likely get us into that #7 seed at the end of the regular season. Now, I know it's unlikely we will finish 9-8 anyway, but let's say we do. Looking at the standings and the schedules, I don't see us finishing ahead of the 49ers and Vikings even in that scenario. I think those 2 teams will likely take those last 2 spots.

Leap-frogging the Vikings (out of those 2 teams) would be most likely considering we're only 1 game behind them... but ...

Minnesota closing schedule (currently 5-6):
@Detroit
Pittsburgh
@Chicago
LA Rams
@Green Bay
Chicago

My guess is the Vikings finish 4-2 with that schedule and hence finish 9-8 overall. And from what I can tell, they would more than likely hold the tiebreaker over us in that scenario...

TIEBREAKER NOTES:

Vikings are 4-3 in the NFC, Giants are 3-5.

Vikings are 2-1 against common opponents with the Rams and Bears 2x still to play.
Giants are 1-2 against common opponents with Chargers, Cowboys, Bears still to play.

Even if we somehow tie them in Conference record AND common opponents, next is strength of victory and currently the Vikings are way ahead of us in that category.

Moral of the story: Even if we finish 9-8, we'll have to hope the Vikings finish 3-3 or worse down the stretch.
Note:  
Leg of Theismann : 12/1/2021 11:25 pm : link
I know there are a lot of teams in the mix, but if you really look closely, based on the schedules and records of the other teams ahead and behind us, I'm not really worried about any other team being ahead of us in the event we finish 9-8. It's just the Vikings (and obviously the 49ers) that I really think would screw it up for us.
The Giants are far too flawed  
cjac : 12/1/2021 11:41 pm : link
To finish with a winning record this season.

With all the injuries who knows who will be playing or when

And with that being the case, how can this team mesh to play well
Since I wrote here  
Grizz99 : 12/1/2021 11:49 pm : link
(to the accompianment of many boos and hisses) that Dallas would come back to the pack, they lost three out of four, with the one win being over Atlanta.
I;ve always believed they were flawed - intrinsically and falally so. If they lose four of their last six They finsih at 9-8.
I think that's more likely than catching the 49'er's or Viking, who I think are better teams than us.
I think (if healthy) that we're better than The Cowboys, but it's almost certainly too late.
The Giants have won 3 of their last five, if they were to close out the season at 9-8, they would have won 8 out of their last 11 (hope that's right working from my phone I can't check). This team with the injuries they've suffered, is not that good.
Best chance, the wheels fall completely off at Dallas....
Look, if the Heavens opened and the NYG made the playoffs  
NBGblue : 12/1/2021 11:50 pm : link
nobody would be happier than me. But, IMHO, the NYG are NOT a playoff team or anywhere close to it. They, in all likelihood, would be "one and done" in the playoffs while hurting their chances of improving through the draft. I'll root for wins every weekend, but in my heart I know that the best thing for this team in the long run is to get a top 10 draft pick for itself plus having a top 10 draft pick from the Bears.
Ehhh.  
CV36 : 12/2/2021 12:05 am : link
I wish. We could win most of them ur remaining games or lose them all badly. Likely win 2 or three more
RE: Look, if the Heavens opened and the NYG made the playoffs  
Leg of Theismann : 12/2/2021 12:34 am : link
In comment 15476436 NBGblue said:
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nobody would be happier than me. But, IMHO, the NYG are NOT a playoff team or anywhere close to it. They, in all likelihood, would be "one and done" in the playoffs while hurting their chances of improving through the draft. I'll root for wins every weekend, but in my heart I know that the best thing for this team in the long run is to get a top 10 draft pick for itself plus having a top 10 draft pick from the Bears.


I think there's no question the team that we've seen play for most of this season would be 1-and-done in the playoffs, but if they were to finish 9-8, ipso facto that would mean they will have finished 6-1 over their last 7 games, and I think in that case we'd likely be looking at a team that we actually have some hope of winning a playoff game.

Also just to reiterate for everyone: as I said in my original post, I know it's extremely unlikely we finish 9-8, but I'm just saying if we were to finish 9-8 I doubt we even get in. Which sucks because at this point in the season I'd still at least like to watch the next few games with a shred of hope (just for fun at least).
Ummm....  
Optimus-NY : 12/2/2021 12:36 am : link
RE: Since I wrote here  
Leg of Theismann : 12/2/2021 12:43 am : link
In comment 15476435 Grizz99 said:
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(to the accompianment of many boos and hisses) that Dallas would come back to the pack, they lost three out of four, with the one win being over Atlanta.
I;ve always believed they were flawed - intrinsically and falally so. If they lose four of their last six They finsih at 9-8.
I think that's more likely than catching the 49'er's or Viking, who I think are better teams than us.
I think (if healthy) that we're better than The Cowboys, but it's almost certainly too late.
The Giants have won 3 of their last five, if they were to close out the season at 9-8, they would have won 8 out of their last 11 (hope that's right working from my phone I can't check). This team with the injuries they've suffered, is not that good.
Best chance, the wheels fall completely off at Dallas....


If the Cowboys finish 9-8, and we finish 9-8, more than likely they will hold the tiebreaker over us anyway (in that unlikely scenario). I think the Cowboys would definitely beat us in strength of victory, so we'd have to beat them in either conference record or division record. Basically I think we'd have to hope 3 of their 4 losses down this stretch come to divisional opponents (including to us), and with our only loss being to the Chargers. Very specific scenario. And I think it's even more unlikely given that I give the Saints and Cardinals better chances to beat the Cowboys than the WFT or Eagles.
It is all going to depend  
montanagiant : 12/2/2021 12:51 am : link
If the team gets 100% healthy outside those on IR
Hell yeah  
dancing blue bear : 12/2/2021 1:11 am : link
So playoffs aside...

that finish would be fun. 5 happy weeks. 1 sad week

That would mean we (most likely) went 4-2 in the deivision and beat everyone at least once. Great sign

It would also mean the offense has improved, which means kitchens may be the guy for next year. figuring that out would be great.

It would mean that Judge is improving as a coach. Really the best part of a strong finish. The guys are generally ready to go and play hard, but This would be an indication the in game management is improving.

D. Jones It would be an indication that he is making strides, more consistent and playing good ball

OR (for the donkeys) His injury did not allow him to play anymore. Glennon proves that DJ is hot garbage and it is a no brainer decision to throw him in the trash. Gloaters gloat, mass hysteria, dancing and crying in the streets. resolution.

It would most likely ruin dallas, philly, and wash seasons.

It would also be an indication the defense was ballin' down the stretch, and all our young guys are getting better.


Gettlement is allowed to retire rather then being shot by a firing squad. He's still gone, but some people still feel cheated of a gory dismemberment
Meaningful games in December?  
MOOPS : 12/2/2021 1:24 am : link
Tell me more.
RE: Hell yeah  
Leg of Theismann : 12/2/2021 1:48 am : link
In comment 15476449 dancing blue bear said:
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So playoffs aside...

that finish would be fun. 5 happy weeks. 1 sad week

That would mean we (most likely) went 4-2 in the deivision and beat everyone at least once. Great sign

It would also mean the offense has improved, which means kitchens may be the guy for next year. figuring that out would be great.

It would mean that Judge is improving as a coach. Really the best part of a strong finish. The guys are generally ready to go and play hard, but This would be an indication the in game management is improving.

D. Jones It would be an indication that he is making strides, more consistent and playing good ball

OR (for the donkeys) His injury did not allow him to play anymore. Glennon proves that DJ is hot garbage and it is a no brainer decision to throw him in the trash. Gloaters gloat, mass hysteria, dancing and crying in the streets. resolution.

It would most likely ruin dallas, philly, and wash seasons.

It would also be an indication the defense was ballin' down the stretch, and all our young guys are getting better.


Gettlement is allowed to retire rather then being shot by a firing squad. He's still gone, but some people still feel cheated of a gory dismemberment


Those are all good points. Can't hurt to finish strong even if we don't make playoffs. Then again-- it could backfire and it could buy Gettleman yet another year here. I'm fine with Judge/Kitchens/Graham staying on in a 9-8 scenario, but DG just has to go IMO.
I think that ship has sailed  
dancing blue bear : 12/2/2021 2:44 am : link
O that’s the tricky part tho. They like judge. I still think he can turn out to be good. But he doesn’t get the keys. Hasn’t earned it and I think it’s bad business.

I do believe the coach should have a strong say I. Personell. And I do think the coach is the “leader” of the organization. In a sense the GM and the scouts etc serve the coach. In a sense the coach is not a direct report Maybe more like dotted line report. I think that is one of the changes gettlemen brought that they like.

Bottom line they have to work together and the old model was more segregated. Coughlin chaffing under Reese and infamously George young and parcels.

Truth is no one actually knows those dynamics except those inside. And they don’t really talk. There’s plent that pretend they know and spew bullshit as fact tho.
Miami ......let's beat them and get to 4 wins, before 9 wins  
George from PA : 12/2/2021 5:08 am : link
This week...we play a mirror team...very similar to us.

Erratic offense and improving defense....horrible OLs
RE: Miami ......let's beat them and get to 4 wins, before 9 wins  
Jim in Tampa : 12/2/2021 6:05 am : link
In comment 15476458 George from PA said:
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This week...we play a mirror team...very similar to us.

Erratic offense and improving defense....horrible OLs

Giants are already at 4 wins (4-7).
RE: RE: Miami ......let's beat them and get to 4 wins, before 9 wins  
GruningsOnTheHill : 12/2/2021 7:06 am : link
In comment 15476463 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 15476458 George from PA said:


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This week...we play a mirror team...very similar to us.

Erratic offense and improving defense....horrible OLs


Giants are already at 4 wins (4-7).

+1
The season was already over after the 1-4 start  
eclipz928 : 12/2/2021 7:07 am : link
and two losses in the division. Understandably, talk about playoffs always spikes up immediately after a win - but the Giants proximity to a wild card spot because of their record doesn't actually match the reality of how close they are.

The reason why teams that start 0-2 or 0-3 rarely make the playoffs is because in general teams that are bad at the start the season don't all of a sudden become good to finish the season. "Improvement" is certainly common, but no one should be getting their hopes up for this team. 6 wins is a realistic end result.
yes and no and maybe......  
Grizz99 : 12/2/2021 7:35 am : link
Yes, it is unlikely they can contend for a playoff after that beginning.
No, I think six wins is unlikely and would be bitterly disappointing. You're anticipating less than 500 ball the rest of the way. The schedule is relatively easy and splitting the six games gives them seven wins.
And maybe, having said all of that, Dallas is in a free fall. Maybe. We will know more about that after tonight,but I think that star studded cast doesn't have enough foot soilders, that they are dependent on fragile older offensive lineman, that the defense and even coaching is suspect. Three losses in their last four games and one of those to a Raiders team we beat.
Forty million dollar quarterbacks don't win because of the cap implications and I"d argue that Dak, as good as he is, is not elite.
Maybe a mid season slump, maybe parachutes not opening.
Very difficult to forecast out that many games at a time  
chick310 : 12/2/2021 7:51 am : link
and to do it for several teams is impossible. Injuries alone can't be predicted and have big impacts.

The two NFC competitors above, MInn and San Fran, will both be having key guys sit for the next several weeks in Dalvin Cook and Deebo Samuel. Maybe they can mitigate those losses with other guys, and maybe they can't or only somewhat.
_________  
I am Ninja : 12/2/2021 9:09 am : link
I swear some of you would rather lose the superbowl because it would mean we picked 1 slot sooner.
RE: _________  
ajr2456 : 12/2/2021 9:56 am : link
In comment 15476585 I am Ninja said:
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I swear some of you would rather lose the superbowl because it would mean we picked 1 slot sooner.


These posts are probably the dumbest on this site.
I don't see 9-8  
djm : 12/2/2021 10:26 am : link
especially if Jones misses time but even with Jones, the offense is so anemic. There's always faint hope that the O gets hot here, but any talk of 9 wins is predicated on the offense doing a 180 and soon.

How does the O go from bad to average?
--Jones and Galladay need to develop a rapport.
--Barkley, OL and the running game need to get cranked up
--the D needs to play even bigger against the tougher teams

IF you want to feel hopeful, I guess it's not crazy to suggest that Barkley and Galladay have better football ahead of them since they have been playing for 1-2 weeks and practicing.

Tall order, but a win sunday frames things up to at least approach a level of slightly possible. A big offensive showing @ Miami would go a long way, but we've been talking about it all year. Needs to happen first.
RE: The season was already over after the 1-4 start  
anon837 : 12/2/2021 10:29 am : link
In comment 15476470 eclipz928 said:
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and two losses in the division. Understandably, talk about playoffs always spikes up immediately after a win - but the Giants proximity to a wild card spot because of their record doesn't actually match the reality of how close they are.

The reason why teams that start 0-2 or 0-3 rarely make the playoffs is because in general teams that are bad at the start the season don't all of a sudden become good to finish the season. "Improvement" is certainly common, but no one should be getting their hopes up for this team. 6 wins is a realistic end result.
Pretty much sums it up. When there is talk about the 2022 draft at the end of Week 5, you know it's going to be a long season. This team, unfortunately, does nothing well. They are getting beat on both sides of the ball. The OL is a mess. Why? Talent? coaching? Players being out of position? The front 7 on D is the same. The pass rush is not existent, the run D is impotent, and there is nothing resembling an average LB corp. This team has way too many issues, on the field and sideline, to get to 9 wins.
Every team remaining is beatable  
Batenhorst7 : 12/2/2021 11:54 am : link
Why not 10-7?

As Jim Fassel would say, we are pushing all our chips to the middle of the table :-)

I think the Giants need to win  
AnnapolisMike : 12/2/2021 2:07 pm : link
in back to back weeks before we get to far ahead of ourselves. Miami will be a good test.
RE: Every team remaining is beatable  
Milton : 12/2/2021 2:42 pm : link
In comment 15476921 Batenhorst7 said:
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Why not 10-7?
+1
Fuggetaboutit  
Sec 103 : 12/2/2021 2:43 pm : link
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RE: _________  
Leg of Theismann : 12/3/2021 12:59 am : link
In comment 15476585 I am Ninja said:
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I swear some of you would rather lose the superbowl because it would mean we picked 1 slot sooner.


Who is "you"? I don't see a single post in this entire thread that hints at rooting against the Giants so they improve their draft position. Every post is about whether or not it is realistic that the Giants can get in at 9-8 and/or if it is realistic for them to be able to get to 9-8 or 10-7.

I personally didn't make my original post with the intention of implying "it's hopeless the Giants should just tank." So I'm not sure if that's how you read it or if you are referring to someone else's comment.
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