My attempt to catagoricaly compare Jones to Wilson

Would Wilson want to come here?
Fix the lines first. Live with Jones another year. Wilson isn’t taking this team anywhere.

Have close to a strong arm as Wilson

Wilson has a much better arm than Jones. I have no idea how you would conclude otherwise; and he throws a much better deep ball.

Wilson has over 4,600 yards rushing in his career. Are you giving Jones the edge there because he is younger?

Are they telling riddles in the huddle?

I am not, and have never been, a fan of wilson. I watched during their superbowl runs and thought him the ultimate caretaker profiting from a very good team that would have won with "ordinary" at the helm.
Then there's the price tag. Has anyone (including the greats like Brees and Rogers) won once they were carrying a thirty million dollar price tag?
I dislike his attitude. He forces a thirty million salary per and then complains that Seattle is not putting enough talent around him There's a lack of7 consciousness about that whining that I don't want here - esp. when one consders the additional millions this spoiled, whiney kid is making from commercials as he and Rogers bombard us with insurance ads.
No thanks, one of my all time least liked players who has never demonstrated that he could carry an average team past ta bank.

Meaning 5 is average

Jones a 6 in pocket awareness? No way. More like 0 or 1

does Jones have 15 years left in the league! LOL!

More like 15 months probably.

what do you think the percentage chance is that Daniel Jones' NFL career has 15 years left?

under/over 20%

...

to tell me one of the better QB's of the last decade is a better player than Jones. I wasn't quite convinced, until now.

In comment 15476477 Grizz99 said:

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I am not, and have never been, a fan of wilson. I watched during their superbowl runs and thought him the ultimate caretaker profiting from a very good team that would have won with "ordinary" at the helm. Then there's the price tag. Has anyone (including the greats like Brees and Rogers) won once they were carrying a thirty million dollar price tag? I dislike his attitude. He forces a thirty million salary per and then complains that Seattle is not putting enough talent around him There's a lack of7 consciousness about that whining that I don't want here - esp. when one consders the additional millions this spoiled, whiney kid is making from commercials as he and Rogers bombard us with insurance ads. No thanks, one of my all time least liked players who has never demonstrated that he could carry an average team past ta bank.

Have you seen what Seattle has done with their draft picks? It basically gives us a run for our money the last few years - bad trades (horrendous actually) and bad talent evaluation. Paying a player doesn't = mistake. Wilson isn't mad they aren't on a spending frenzy, he's been mad that what they spend and who they draft isn't working.

It doesn't make any sense on a 33 year old QB. Seattle isn't giving him away. I don't know what his salary is but I'm sure he's making a good buck.

Hey maybe Craig Morton is still available.

Does the OP have any strong feelings on John Jerry?

In comment 15476474 Bleedblue10 said:

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Have close to a strong arm as Wilson

Thank you. Wilson has one of the best arms in football, and aside from Rodgers throws the most effortless deep ball in the league.

In comment 15476514 rsjem1979 said:

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In comment 15476474 Bleedblue10 said: Quote: Have close to a strong arm as Wilson Thank you. Wilson has one of the best arms in football, and aside from Rodgers throws the most effortless deep ball in the league.

Sure did not see that the other night. Effortless?

In comment 15476478 GiantsRage2007 said:

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Meaning 5 is average Jones a 6 in pocket awareness? No way. More like 0 or 1

This one stood out for me as well, among others.

Article about Wilson from Seahawk Wire

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If it wasn’t already official, it is now: Russell Wilson is broken. The Seahawks’ franchise quarterback is playing some of the worst football of his career in 2021 and is significantly hampering his team, which already has glaring flaws. He has played a major role in Seattle’s offensive struggles as of late with errant throws and questionable decisions, which were particularly evident in the team’s most recent defeat, a 17-15 stinker at the hands of the Washington Football Team.

Link - ( New Window )

Wilson!!!

Deep dive into Wilson's performance

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According to ESPN Stats & Information research, Wilson has the highest off-target rate (23.7%) among all qualified quarterbacks since his return in Week 10. That metric measures the percentage of incompletions (excluding throwaways and spikes) that were uncatchable. Wilson had the 10th-lowest off-target rate (14.4%) from Weeks 1-9.

Also, it's not the Seahawks OL
Through the first 12 weeks the Seahawk's OL was ranked 12th in pass blocking and they were the sixth rated OL for the first three games since coming back from inhury.

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The Seahawks rank 12th in ESPN's Pass Block Win Rate this season (61.4%). They've been sixth (65.8%) in the three games since Wilson's return but ranked 25th for Week 12 (56%).

that you're still on this board.

We don't have the cap space to sign him as a free agent is my understanding. If we give up draft picks to make a trade, that hurts us at a time when we have a piss poor OLine, need edge rushers, and other positions.
Tell me how it can be done, I already know Russell Wilson is a much better quarterback than Daniel Jones.

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and stupid thread. Good job.

Is a better rusher and more accurate than Wilson???

In comment 15476476 j_rud said:

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Are they telling riddles in the huddle?

What I meant by clever is
-reading defenses
-looking of the target receiver
-going through your progressions
-slickness in handling the snap and handoffs
-knowing when to move up in the pocket
-knowing when to throw it away
-changing to the right call at the LOS
-drawing folks offsides

That sort of stuff
Danny is still learning
Wilson is a magician by comparison

But its a team game and head to head Jones would beat Seattle
in a game right now....not beat Wilson, beat seattle as a team

Look we can win with Jones. But he will never be as good a QB as Wilson.

Its actually good Seattle went in the tank, otherwise Wilson would not be available to us at all

I think you're wasting internet space with threads like this.

In comment 15476598 Gatorade Dunk said:

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that you're still on this board.

Thanks for the support

I'm through bashing Barkley. Those of us who have an eye for talent realize his flaws

His story is about politics. Management wants him on the field to prove themselves right and we fans have to sit on our hands

And I'm not anti-Jones. I like him
I hated Jason "Dallas" glum faced Garrett
He destroyed Jones and Jones confidence

Management woke up on Garrett....maybe they will also on Barkley someday, if he does not re-invent himself as a real weapon who will take on the Defense with attitude...I will welcome either of those

In the meantime I root hard for the team flawed or not

In comment 15476667 islander1 said:

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I think you're wasting internet space with threads like this.

He's probably wasting oxygen when he's not making threads like this, so it's a wash.

Comparison of the impacts of signing Wilson

2022 Salaries
Wilson $24,000,000
Jones $ 3,994,644

2023 Salaries
Wilson $27,000,000
Jones $ 0

Over two years remaining on Wilson’s contract it will cost the Giants $57,000,000 more than Jones is guaranteed.

The Giants are projected to be $4,000,000 under the CAP next year, therefore the Giants would have to figure out how to create $20,000,000 in CAP space next year.

Exacerbating Wilson’s impact on the Giants’ CAP, is that the Giants would be obligated to sign Wilson to a new contract. Wilson will be 35 at the time of his contract renewal

Asset cost to acquire Wilson
Seattle is reported to be looking for (3) first round draft picks.

Net effect on the Giants if they were to sign Wilson
The Giants would have to dismantle the team dropping players and restructuring others to create CAP space

The Giants would have no additional CAP space to sign free agents

The Giants would have minimal draft capital to build the team.

In comment 15476468 joe48 said:

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Would Wilson want to come here? Fix the lines first. Live with Jones another year. Wilson isn’t taking this team anywhere.

PLease stop with the money nonsense. At least act like you don't have a clue about the cap or money, same with each one of us.


And again, what if Jones was cranking out a huge season? The Giants wouldn't be able to afford Jones in 1-2 years?

Stop. No one knows what teams can do with the cap and the NYG situation is fluid to say the least. We have a QB in year 3 who would need to get paid BIG money, and soon, but now we can't sign a vet QB in the offseason because there's no money>?

Aint buying it. Let it play out first.

In comment 15476478 GiantsRage2007 said:

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Meaning 5 is average Jones a 6 in pocket awareness? No way. More like 0 or 1

This LOL, whether he has been jaded by our paper thin line or its just him, he is way closer to 0 than 10.

of the dumbest things I've ever seen on this site if it's posted seriously. (I assume it is not and is just a troll.)

is horse shit anyway. Odds are he aint leaving Seattle unless he plays like dog shit the rest of the season, and if that happens we don't want him here anyway.

When did Wilson even become available? I ain't buying that either.

In comment 15476726 Archer said:

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Comparison of the impacts of signing Wilson 2022 Salaries Wilson $24,000,000 Jones $ 3,994,644 2023 Salaries Wilson $27,000,000 Jones $ 0 Over two years remaining on Wilson’s contract it will cost the Giants $57,000,000 more than Jones is guaranteed. The Giants are projected to be $4,000,000 under the CAP next year, therefore the Giants would have to figure out how to create $20,000,000 in CAP space next year. Exacerbating Wilson’s impact on the Giants’ CAP, is that the Giants would be obligated to sign Wilson to a new contract. Wilson will be 35 at the time of his contract renewal Asset cost to acquire Wilson Seattle is reported to be looking for (3) first round draft picks. Net effect on the Giants if they were to sign Wilson The Giants would have to dismantle the team dropping players and restructuring others to create CAP space The Giants would have no additional CAP space to sign free agents The Giants would have minimal draft capital to build the team.

Great post...I had no idea
one can dream right?

Maybe we are better off surrounding Jones with a better overall team....he's not terrible
Garrett screwed him up, maybe Freddie can un-screw him

... over the last couple years? His best days are behind him.

And no, I'm not saying Jones is better (he's not). But for anyone to suggest with the state of this team and the OL that we should make another horrendous cap/draft capital decision by going after him while he continues on a downward trend... well, I strongly disagree. lol

taking a hard look aspect by aspect at Jones. He needs to improve in a number of areas

No he is never going to be a Russell Wilson

He could aspire to be a Tom Brady type pocket passer and win more games

His running should only be when he sees a sea of green in front of him, and a nice slide feet first at the end of the run

I hope the change to Freddie fixes or plasters over a lot of these Jones issues

he threw 40 TDS last year! and he was well on his way to a typical big year again until the injury.

Wilson is a great player until proven otherwise and no, 2-3 games post injury is not enough evidence to prove anything, especially when Wilson's last performance against the Skins was pretty good.

More and more I think of it, someone just said it on ESPN radio (admittedly they suck) but the point was if the Giants think Wilson is worth acquiring, they should also go hard after Sean Payton. It's an abstract way of thinking for NYG and it's a bit risky or dangerous, but why the hell not. Go big or go home.

In comment 15476771 Batenhorst7 said:

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taking a hard look aspect by aspect at Jones. He needs to improve in a number of areas No he is never going to be a Russell Wilson He could aspire to be a Tom Brady type pocket passer and win more games His running should only be when he sees a sea of green in front of him, and a nice slide feet first at the end of the run I hope the change to Freddie fixes or plasters over a lot of these Jones issues

"He could aspire to be a Tom Brady type pocket passer and win more games."

He could aspire to become arguably the best QB ever. Cool, cool.

In comment 15476776 djm said:

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he threw 40 TDS last year! and he was well on his way to a typical big year again until the injury. Wilson is a great player until proven otherwise and no, 2-3 games post injury is not enough evidence to prove anything, especially when Wilson's last performance against the Skins was pretty good. More and more I think of it, someone just said it on ESPN radio (admittedly they suck) but the point was if the Giants think Wilson is worth acquiring, they should also go hard after Sean Payton. It's an abstract way of thinking for NYG and it's a bit risky or dangerous, but why the hell not. Go big or go home.

Yeah I get that, and it was a vague comment (and kinda stupid the way I wrote it) lol. To clarify I am not saying he is a bad QB at this point, but the losses they had were when he turned the ball over last year. And he is struggling big time in a better current situation. He had a terrible game against the Rams to end last year. I am saying he is not young, and starting to trend downward, and the state this Giants team is in right now especially with the OL he would be knocked around for the foreseeable future. It just doesn't make sense. A couple of years younger I would be on board.

In comment 15476598 Gatorade Dunk said:

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that you're still on this board.

/what I find "remarkable" is the constant attemt to put down, to denigrate, to write as short and nasty and hurtful a comment as you can,
. In a short threAD this is but one of two "put downs" from a man (??) who never starts a thread, from a child who never has a positive contribution, from a freak who dosn't have the level of consiciousness to understand that his short pithy posts speak about him and not the victim he's trying to create.
Loathsome .....an encounter with this freak makes me check my shoe soles.

...so, you don't mean Zack Wilson.

In comment 15476742 Johnny5 said:

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... over the last couple years? His best days are behind him. And no, I'm not saying Jones is better (he's not). But for anyone to suggest with the state of this team and the OL that we should make another horrendous cap/draft capital decision by going after him while he continues on a downward trend... well, I strongly disagree. lol

Wilson's play has tailed off this year. But not the last couple of years. In the last four years, he's thrown 34, 35, 31 and 40 (last year) and his YPA average for those four years is around 8. So the production has been high level.

The thumb could be the reason for the subpar play the two weeks. But you never know when someone is going to fall of a cliff, so it is important to keep a close eye on Wilson's play down the stretch.

I would bet he's still got the skills - a strong arm, mobility and high football acumen.

couldn't even lead his team downfield for over 200 throwing ypg in his rookie year like Daniel Jones. That's facts based in objective reality. Not no subjective BS score like artistic merit in figure skating.

Clearly he was inferior to Jones in his arm strength, on field processing and reads, and had tunnel vision.

to put this together... lol

Stealing money from your employer today?

Sometimes you have to just hold the line and not make knee jerk reactions. We as fans tend to always think the grass will be greener on the other side of the fence.

I would pass on Wilson or any other vet QB right now.

have to do with Russell Wilson?

The problem here is the Maras would never hire a football man who is not "controlable"

Neither Payton, Rodgers or Wilson would ever come to a rigid organization like the Giants

Both would want control over players and Plays....the Maras are the supreme meddlers

I like the Scott Paoli hire for GM as he can deal and yet sell the Maras on the illusion its with their input and genius he makes the move. Paoli is a good politician

I did this chart more or less to compare Wilson to Jones, illustrating all the ways Jones needs to improve or does not stack up to the cream of the QB crop

We dont need a superstar QB to win a Lombardi- neither Simms, Manning or Hostetler were superstars- all were serviceable

And to those who dont like this thread or thinks its worthless....question-

Why read it, or even take the time to comment?