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Louis Riddick on Colin Cowherd podcast

Sean : 12/2/2021 9:25 am
I linked the episode, NYG talk starts at 7:20 mark. I reference this since I think Riddick will be in play for general manager. A few notes:

-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.

-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.

-Riddick would love to be a GM and has made it known to ESPN. He feels he has an excellent grip on where the game is headed, more so now than when he worked for WFT & Philly.

-Riddick is a Pitt alum and is a fan of Pickett.

Worth a listen imo.
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A fan of Haskins too  
George from PA : 12/2/2021 9:27 am : link
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He would have picked Haskins and has admitted it  
bradshaw44 : 12/2/2021 9:27 am : link
We would be even worse off then we are now. No thanks. I used to like him until he went all in on Haskins.
Regarding Riddick- Two Words  
Trainmaster : 12/2/2021 9:28 am : link
Dwayne Haskins


Hard pass on Riddick for GM.
 
ryanmkeane : 12/2/2021 9:28 am : link
Everything is there with Pickett except the arm strength
How would picking Haskins have been worse?  
Sean : 12/2/2021 9:29 am : link
I know he was a lousy player, but WFT picked him and has already since won the division. They are also currently ahead of the Giants in the standings.
 
christian : 12/2/2021 9:31 am : link
Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
Also  
Toth029 : 12/2/2021 9:33 am : link
Slammed Gettleman, Giants for picking Andrew Thomas.
Thanks for posting.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/2/2021 9:34 am : link
These are inconsistent thoughts, IMO:

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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.

-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.


I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.
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Brown_Hornet : 12/2/2021 9:38 am : link
In comment 15476622 christian said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
eeew...
...now I'm picturing the scab morphing with the cotton in a puss/crust (DJ get's a 2nd contract)...that's a hard pull~
RE: How would picking Haskins have been worse?  
section125 : 12/2/2021 9:43 am : link
In comment 15476618 Sean said:
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I know he was a lousy player, but WFT picked him and has already since won the division. They are also currently ahead of the Giants in the standings.


WTF about WFT?

They had to eat Haskins bonus money after a year.
A lot of people liked  
MtDizzle : 12/2/2021 9:44 am : link
Haskins. It wasn’t just Riddick, one bad evaluation so he sucks? Look how bad our current GM has been.
Some folks LOVED Rosen  
jvm52106 : 12/2/2021 9:47 am : link
too, shit happens there.

But, he can't be worse than what we have now..DG has been an utter failure on so many levels.
He's been doing the Giants podcast  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2021 9:48 am : link
rounds lately...

He sounds like he's interviewing for a job every time.
RE: Thanks for posting.  
ron mexico : 12/2/2021 9:49 am : link
In comment 15476625 BrettNYG10 said:
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These are inconsistent thoughts, IMO:



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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.

-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.



I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.


well they are coming from two different people sooo
The one thing about this current regime that I can’t understand  
Tuckrule : 12/2/2021 9:49 am : link
After last season horrible offensive line. How do you then do nothing to change anything and feel better about the situation? It’s insanity to me this team went into this season believing in the line so much so they went out and spent money and draft capital on luxury items (Golladay and Toney)

It’s unbelievable to me you trust guys like Peart, Lemieux and Hernandez with no depth to speak of.
I'd be wary of Pickett  
Greg from LI : 12/2/2021 9:51 am : link
He was pretty mediocre until his senior year.
section125  
Sean : 12/2/2021 9:51 am : link
And so what? The pivoted to an UDFA rookie QB who has been performing well. So again, how are they worse off having drafted Haskins? Won the division in 2020, ahead of the Giants in 2021.
RE: RE: Thanks for posting.  
BrettNYG10 : 12/2/2021 9:51 am : link
In comment 15476659 ron mexico said:
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These are inconsistent thoughts, IMO:



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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.

-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.



I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.



well they are coming from two different people sooo


Haha, I totally skipped that. Thanks!
Cowherd is a clown  
Eli Wilson : 12/2/2021 9:53 am : link
Earlier this year he went on a rant saying Jones wasn't the problem.

Make up your mind, man.
Cowherd is a clown  
Eli Wilson : 12/2/2021 9:54 am : link
Earlier this year he went on a rant saying Jones wasn't the problem.

Make up your mind, man.
RE: …  
Jim in Tampa : 12/2/2021 9:55 am : link
In comment 15476622 christian said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.

Exactly. Staying with a bad QB too long versus quickly moving on from a bad QB choice is how the Jones pick can actually be viewed as being worse than picking Haskins.

Having said that, neither the NYG or the WFT have a long-term solution at QB.
Hard pass on Riddick  
Matt G : 12/2/2021 9:56 am : link
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Television....  
bluewave : 12/2/2021 9:58 am : link
The greatest piece of mind control ever built. The amount of Giant fans bringing this guy's name up is beyond me. He said he would have still drafted Barkely as well. Please don't recommend this guy anymore.
RE: A lot of people liked  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2021 9:58 am : link
In comment 15476642 MtDizzle said:
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Haskins. It wasn’t just Riddick, one bad evaluation so he sucks? Look how bad our current GM has been.

OK. So show me a good evaluation from Riddick.
He's an oversensitive dummy who has already blocked half of Giants twitter.
No way on Louis.
As much as Riddick wants to be GM  
Mike in NY : 12/2/2021 9:59 am : link
He is a hard no for me. A QB who was crap for 4 years and suddenly has a breakout year is a big red flag. It also concerns me that his evaluations focus on tools and physical profile, not can they play the game. Riddick would have been great for someone like Al Davis who loved measurables and nothing else. What good is someone like Derrick Henry if he was playing behind an OL that could only pass block and was manhandled in the running game?
So he would have picked the wrong qb  
GiantsRage2007 : 12/2/2021 10:06 am : link
So did our current GM

The bar is pretty low to be better than DG IMO
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Go Terps : 12/2/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15476622 christian said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.


There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
Eh, I've listened to Riddick and he knows the game  
JonC : 12/2/2021 10:08 am : link
but I'm not wild about the idea of hiring a GM out of an ESPN TV booth. Rather have someone who's been actively putting in the work building a quality football roster.
^ interesting take...  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2021 10:08 am : link
might be accurate...at this point...probably accurate.
RE: Thanks for posting.  
Johnny5 : 12/2/2021 10:08 am : link
In comment 15476625 BrettNYG10 said:
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These are inconsistent thoughts, IMO:



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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.

-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.



I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.

Agreed, I want no part of Riddick as GM.
haskins  
bobc : 12/2/2021 10:09 am : link
And all but called the giants racist for not picking him Dont need anyone playing the race card in picking talent.
RE: A fan of Haskins too  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 10:11 am : link
In comment 15476613 George from PA said:
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.

For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.

I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.

Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?
RE: Cowherd is a clown  
djm : 12/2/2021 10:12 am : link
In comment 15476674 Eli Wilson said:
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Earlier this year he went on a rant saying Jones wasn't the problem.

Make up your mind, man.


He's a political sports talkie. The worst. Says shit to get people up or worked up and then pivots as needed.
RE: RE: A fan of Haskins too  
Mike in NY : 12/2/2021 10:13 am : link
In comment 15476716 Gatorade Dunk said:
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.

For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.

I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.

Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?


Haskins is not brought up just because Riddick liked him, but for the reasons WHY he liked him. Riddick was all about the physical package, arm strength, tools, etc. Nevermind that he had no tool box and looked winded running a scripted workout. Haskins is Jamarcus Russell.
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Brown_Hornet : 12/2/2021 10:18 am : link
In comment 15476705 Go Terps said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.



There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
We're in the middle of the 3rd season...not sure that qualifies as QB hell.

Picking up the option because he's mediocre...yes, that would be QB hell.
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Mike in NY : 12/2/2021 10:19 am : link
In comment 15476705 Go Terps said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.



There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.


Terps, I respectfully disagree. Missing on a QB and having to draft another one high is worse than chasing a bad QB pick. At least if you are trying to build up talent around a bad QB that talent can be used for a future QB. The Jets are a prime example of what happens when you are constantly taking first round QB's because you are not hitting on them. What helped the Giants is that Kerry Collins proved to be an effective stopgap until they could get someone like Eli Manning, much like Heinecke is for Washington. The problem is he is not a long term solution. Successful teams in the NFL are not changing QB's at least as frequently as once every 3 or 4 years. The chemistry needed and being able to run an offense requires that you have stability at QB position.
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Mike in NY : 12/2/2021 10:23 am : link
In comment 15476729 Brown_Hornet said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.



There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.

We're in the middle of the 3rd season...not sure that qualifies as QB hell.

Picking up the option because he's mediocre...yes, that would be QB hell.


I agree, QB Hell involves overpaying a QB. Jones on a rookie deal pre-5th year option is commensurate with what his performance dictates. There are back-up QB's being paid more than him. If we don't exercise 5th year option, which we shouldn't, we can dump him this offseason at little cost or be done with him completely if we wait until after 2022 season. That is different than Vikings overpaying Kirk Cousins and being unable to get out from under the contract or Rams having to include many assets to get out of Goff's deal.
And not at all surprised...  
Matt G : 12/2/2021 10:26 am : link
to see him lobbying in the media for a job that is not yet available... classy move
The only reason why the Redskins  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2021 10:26 am : link
could move on from Haskins so quickly is because the team didn't actually want him. When Murray and Jones were gone, No other teams in the market wanted the QBs who were left (Pit, Den, Cin, Mia...), possibly even including Washington. Only Creepy Dan Snyder wanted him, bc he went to school with his son or something. It is well established that Dan pushed for Haskins, in opposition to the team brain trust- validated by the fact that the owner even took Theismann's number down from the shelf and recommissioned it- an unprecedented move.

Only under a new coach and new regime, when Haskins showed himself nothing less than determined to get his ass benched by violating covid protocols and hanging with strippers on social media, could Washington cut ties.

It is revisionist history to declare that Washington is a smartly-run football team based on how they "moved on" from Haskins. Douchebag #1 is still with the team, and still calling the shots.
RE: RE: RE: A fan of Haskins too  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 10:27 am : link
In comment 15476722 Mike in NY said:
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.

For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.

I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.

Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?



Haskins is not brought up just because Riddick liked him, but for the reasons WHY he liked him. Riddick was all about the physical package, arm strength, tools, etc. Nevermind that he had no tool box and looked winded running a scripted workout. Haskins is Jamarcus Russell.

All of that is true, but Haskins also had the 2nd best collegiate production among draft-eligible QBs that season, right behind Murray.

On one hand, I do want to ding Riddick for Haskins, but on the other hand, I kinda do prefer for a GM to value actual production instead of falling in full-bloom-love at an all star game.
Riddick would be a disaster as a GM  
ZogZerg : 12/2/2021 10:30 am : link
No Thanks!
Riddick actually does a decent job on the MNF broadcasts  
chick310 : 12/2/2021 10:30 am : link
and I hope he stays there.
RE: RE: RE: RE: A fan of Haskins too  
Mike in NY : 12/2/2021 10:35 am : link
In comment 15476752 Gatorade Dunk said:
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.

For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.

I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.

Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?



Haskins is not brought up just because Riddick liked him, but for the reasons WHY he liked him. Riddick was all about the physical package, arm strength, tools, etc. Nevermind that he had no tool box and looked winded running a scripted workout. Haskins is Jamarcus Russell.


All of that is true, but Haskins also had the 2nd best collegiate production among draft-eligible QBs that season, right behind Murray.

On one hand, I do want to ding Riddick for Haskins, but on the other hand, I kinda do prefer for a GM to value actual production instead of falling in full-bloom-love at an all star game.


But if you watched Haskins in college his first read was frequently wide open and they ran a lot of spread looks where he could take advantage of DB's who would never be more than FBS back-ups. There were red flags about how he would convert to a pro system when he didn't have that luxury. Sort of like Ron Dayne not having an OL that could physically dominate any DL they played against.
Of course in the end,  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2021 10:37 am : link
Haskins attitude and brain got him cut, not his physical ability.
Haskins  
Toth029 : 12/2/2021 10:42 am : link
Didn't have the ability either.

His footwork was really awful.
At this point ...  
FStubbs : 12/2/2021 10:46 am : link
... we'd have been better off drafting Haskins.

If you're going to fail anyway, fail quickly.
So in  
Toth029 : 12/2/2021 10:50 am : link
Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.
Man! the DJ haters spoil threads that have nothing to do with him  
Rick in Dallas : 12/2/2021 10:55 am : link
This is about Riddick not DJ.
I am not a fan of Riddick. Not who I would want as our next GM.

I want nothing to do with Riddick...  
Milton : 12/2/2021 10:59 am : link
And it's bad form to be openly politicking for another man's job while they are still on it. Fuck him. He's a moron.
RE: Man! the DJ haters spoil threads that have nothing to do with him  
bluewave : 12/2/2021 10:59 am : link
In comment 15476815 Rick in Dallas said:
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This is about Riddick not DJ.
I am not a fan of Riddick. Not who I would want as our next GM.


Those people have already made up their mind. They want to tank the season, get a new GM/Coach, and force the QB pick for anyone who can run around like a jitterbug and throw a ball through a wall. That's it. That's what they want.
RE: RE: Man! the DJ haters spoil threads that have nothing to do with him  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2021 11:04 am : link
In comment 15476829 bluewave said:
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This is about Riddick not DJ.
I am not a fan of Riddick. Not who I would want as our next GM.




Those people have already made up their mind. They want to tank the season, get a new GM/Coach, and force the QB pick for anyone who can run around like a jitterbug and throw a ball through a wall. That's it. That's what they want.

Yep. Aka the Jets.
RE: So in  
Go Terps : 12/2/2021 11:06 am : link
In comment 15476801 Toth029 said:
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.


No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.

Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
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BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:27 am : link
In comment 15476705 Go Terps said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.



There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.


LMFAO what a fucking garbage take.

HASKINS IS TRASH. jones has at least shown flashes of being a good player. he actaully has wins. I get what youre saying but disagree because i dont think the giants are in QB hell. they can easily move on from jones. secondly, we dont know who they would have taken after haskins if they cut bait right away. they could have taken or gotten some trash QB. I think you hate jones somuch that you will actually say we should have taken a now 3rd stringer over him. jones is the better player...really not much more to say there
RE: RE: So in  
BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:31 am : link
In comment 15476843 Go Terps said:
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.



No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.

Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.


"sticking" with jones LOL its been 3 fucking years dude...my god. NFL teams dont give up that quickly on players unless the player has something else against them. for haskins,it was his attitude. that simple..


PLEASE go on record right now as to who you want in the 2022 draft so I can root for that just so we dont have to hear you whine and bitch for the next 3 years. PLEASE GO ON RECORD
RE: RE: RE: …  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 11:33 am : link
In comment 15476873 BleedBlue said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.



There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.



LMFAO what a fucking garbage take.

HASKINS IS TRASH. jones has at least shown flashes of being a good player. he actaully has wins. I get what youre saying but disagree because i dont think the giants are in QB hell. they can easily move on from jones. secondly, we dont know who they would have taken after haskins if they cut bait right away. they could have taken or gotten some trash QB. I think you hate jones somuch that you will actually say we should have taken a now 3rd stringer over him. jones is the better player...really not much more to say there

You're missing the point.

Both players are very likely to be busts. Haskins just revealed himself sooner, allowing them to move on while we keep making excuses for DJ.
Yes...yes they do...  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2021 11:34 am : link
Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.
RE: RE: RE: RE: …  
BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:37 am : link
In comment 15476883 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.

There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.



There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.

The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.



LMFAO what a fucking garbage take.

HASKINS IS TRASH. jones has at least shown flashes of being a good player. he actaully has wins. I get what youre saying but disagree because i dont think the giants are in QB hell. they can easily move on from jones. secondly, we dont know who they would have taken after haskins if they cut bait right away. they could have taken or gotten some trash QB. I think you hate jones somuch that you will actually say we should have taken a now 3rd stringer over him. jones is the better player...really not much more to say there


You're missing the point.

Both players are very likely to be busts. Haskins just revealed himself sooner, allowing them to move on while we keep making excuses for DJ.


its not excuses....jones is the better player and is a hard working, team guy with NO attitude. haskins isnt in the same realm....its why he was cut bait with sooner. its pretty simple to understand.

I dont think him being cut sooner means wish we drafted him instead. i dont agree with that at all...

on top of all of that, this is hindsight and stupid to even debate over.
RE: Yes...yes they do...  
BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:39 am : link
In comment 15476886 Dnew15 said:
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.


his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
RE: RE: Yes...yes they do...  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 11:42 am : link
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.



his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...

He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.

Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
RE: RE: RE: Yes...yes they do...  
BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:45 am : link
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.



his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...


He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.

Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?


i dont think anybodywas suckered... i think people saw a young guy producing in an offense that was flawed and without significant talent. MANY people thought jones could be a player after his rookie year. its not suckered...its what we see from a guy early in his career. what he puts on tape does mean something and isnt just ignored.

lets put it like this. how many here wanted jones GONE after his rookie year? not even terps would say get rid of him. the kid showed up and played well...it doesnt mean he is the savior but it certainly means we may have hit on this pick and he may be our franchise QB.not sure why any of that is a shock or out of the norm
RE: RE: RE: Yes...yes they do...  
rsjem1979 : 12/2/2021 11:48 am : link
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.



his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...


He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.

Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?


They're suckers for four games.

They fell in love during the TB game. The Jets and Lions games (sandwiched around a bad game vs. DAL) helped keep the flame burning. And 5 TDs against a bunch of scrubs in Washington uniforms in a meaningless game was the wedding night.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Yes...yes they do...  
Go Terps : 12/2/2021 11:51 am : link
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.



his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...


He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.

Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?



i dont think anybodywas suckered... i think people saw a young guy producing in an offense that was flawed and without significant talent. MANY people thought jones could be a player after his rookie year. its not suckered...its what we see from a guy early in his career. what he puts on tape does mean something and isnt just ignored.

lets put it like this. how many here wanted jones GONE after his rookie year? not even terps would say get rid of him. the kid showed up and played well...it doesnt mean he is the savior but it certainly means we may have hit on this pick and he may be our franchise QB.not sure why any of that is a shock or out of the norm


I said after his rookie year that there was a problem. What I did not recognize was how good Herbert was.

But it was clear after 2019 that there were red flags with Jones. You either saw them or chose not to.
there are seriously people saying Riddick would be fine  
KDavies : 12/2/2021 11:52 am : link
because he loved Haskins, and would have picked him over Jones? Am I reading this right? The moron had Haskins over freaking Kyler Murray.

Riddick is right where he belongs: nowhere near an NFL front office.
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BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:52 am : link
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.



his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...


He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.

Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?



They're suckers for four games.

They fell in love during the TB game. The Jets and Lions games (sandwiched around a bad game vs. DAL) helped keep the flame burning. And 5 TDs against a bunch of scrubs in Washington uniforms in a meaningless game was the wedding night.


eh i dont think they were suckers.

I mean lets look at the entire picture.

you select a guy you like 6 overall, he plays well during his rookie year, you feel good about the guy so he is the starter in year 2.has a poor year but most agree the team is BADLY flawed with no talent. he gets a pass

year 3 he struggles....okay now the alarms start going off and you say he isnt the one....this is where we are. the giants probably dont feel great about him.he MAY get another year as we use our draft captial to fill some other holes,but i dont really expect jones to be the guy past next season unless he makes a SERIOUS turn around which i dont expect.

I think the timeline of events is pretty standard
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BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 11:54 am : link
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...

LIterally no one.



his rookie stats were legit...

why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...


He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.

Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?



i dont think anybodywas suckered... i think people saw a young guy producing in an offense that was flawed and without significant talent. MANY people thought jones could be a player after his rookie year. its not suckered...its what we see from a guy early in his career. what he puts on tape does mean something and isnt just ignored.

lets put it like this. how many here wanted jones GONE after his rookie year? not even terps would say get rid of him. the kid showed up and played well...it doesnt mean he is the savior but it certainly means we may have hit on this pick and he may be our franchise QB.not sure why any of that is a shock or out of the norm



I said after his rookie year that there was a problem. What I did not recognize was how good Herbert was.

But it was clear after 2019 that there were red flags with Jones. You either saw them or chose not to.


i wanted herbert badly but at that point not much you can do. FYI, we know DG loved herbert....herbert wouldnt have gotten past giants if he came out. in fact, i think giants may have moved up to secure him.
Takes some severe cognitive dissonance to compare Haskins and Jones  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2021 11:56 am : link
Haskins raised obvious red flags that bbi'ers notice, but Riddick doesn't. I mean is he even doing his job at some minimal level? Somebody brought up the painful Eli Apple pick thread and BOOM somebody said right away 'he's always holding on to his receiver and can't turn his head' - Bingo. That level bad evaluation.


The biggest gripe about Jones from the bbi ESPN watching crowd was arm strength. I think he's proven that's not his biggest weakness, some unexpected problems with fumbling and 'pocket awareness' for sure. Also arm strength is highly overrated by the bbi ESPN watching crowd of course.
RE: Takes some severe cognitive dissonance to compare Haskins and Jones  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 12:04 pm : link
In comment 15476922 Spiciest Memelord said:
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Haskins raised obvious red flags that bbi'ers notice, but Riddick doesn't. I mean is he even doing his job at some minimal level? Somebody brought up the painful Eli Apple pick thread and BOOM somebody said right away 'he's always holding on to his receiver and can't turn his head' - Bingo. That level bad evaluation.


The biggest gripe about Jones from the bbi ESPN watching crowd was arm strength. I think he's proven that's not his biggest weakness, some unexpected problems with fumbling and 'pocket awareness' for sure. Also arm strength is highly overrated by the bbi ESPN watching crowd of course.

Wrong.

It was decision-making field processing.

But you weren't on BBI then, according to your profile, so maybe fuck off, dupe?
The speculated GM candidates are scary  
AcesUp : 12/2/2021 12:05 pm : link
Kevin Abrams, who I don't see as a threat to get hired, but he's still being kicked around by journalists. Louis Riddick who has been in media for almost a decade with some questionable takes pertaining to the Giants. Scott Pioli a retread that hasn't gotten a GM position in a decade, also in media and would only really be considered with the Giants because of his ties (Pats tree, Bill Parcells son-in-law). And any front office candidate that has shared a parking pass with Joe Judge, a coach that should be on the hot seat here.

I really hope that this is just lazy media speculation because the internal guy, TV personality you previously interviewed and your immediate professional network isn't exactly an inspired search for a franchise that has been as bad as the Giants have been for as long as they have been bad.
What a week on BBI  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2021 12:12 pm : link
Daniel Jones= Dwayne Haskins and Ereck Flowers= Steve Hutchinson
Given that he insinuated the Giants picked Jones  
cosmicj : 12/2/2021 12:14 pm : link
Due to racism, I’d be astonished if Riddick is even on the short list. It’s ok to disagree publicly about a prospect, but lay that sort of accusation out there? Anyone else feel that way?
RE: Given that he insinuated the Giants picked Jones  
Sean : 12/2/2021 12:16 pm : link
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Due to racism, I’d be astonished if Riddick is even on the short list. It’s ok to disagree publicly about a prospect, but lay that sort of accusation out there? Anyone else feel that way?

I never recall Riddick blaming race. I think other ESPN/FS1 personalities did, but don’t believe Riddick did.
RE: Given that he insinuated the Giants picked Jones  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/2/2021 12:16 pm : link
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Due to racism, I’d be astonished if Riddick is even on the short list. It’s ok to disagree publicly about a prospect, but lay that sort of accusation out there? Anyone else feel that way?


He's interviewed before, they were recently photographed together having a pleasant conversation before the bucs game, and Raanan reported he was on the list.
Im a Riddick basher  
NoPeanutz : 12/2/2021 12:19 pm : link
but I think Cris Carter was the one who famously called the Giants racist for passing over Haskins. Not Riddick, iirc.
RE: RE: So in  
The_Boss : 12/2/2021 12:20 pm : link
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.



No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.

Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.


This. The time we have already wasted and probably will in 2022 (with Jones) is ridiculous.
BleedBlue  
Dnew15 : 12/2/2021 12:21 pm : link
I think this where I am:

eh i dont think they were suckers.

I mean lets look at the entire picture.

you select a guy you like 6 overall, he plays well during his rookie year, you feel good about the guy so he is the starter in year 2.has a poor year but most agree the team is BADLY flawed with no talent. he gets a pass

year 3 he struggles....okay now the alarms start going off and you say he isnt the one....this is where we are. the giants probably dont feel great about him.he MAY get another year as we use our draft captial to fill some other holes,but i dont really expect jones to be the guy past next season unless he makes a SERIOUS turn around which i dont expect.

I think the timeline of events is pretty standard
RE: Given that he insinuated the Giants picked Jones  
Payasdaddy : 12/2/2021 12:21 pm : link
In comment 15476947 cosmicj said:
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Due to racism, I’d be astonished if Riddick is even on the short list. It’s ok to disagree publicly about a prospect, but lay that sort of accusation out there? Anyone else feel that way?


I don’t like the racist theme by riddick either. The same team who had a minority GM winning two SB, the love of LT,Strahan and others
As far as I could tell, Blue is the only color that gmen front office cares about.
U can debate Haskins and jones all u want draft nite. Fair debate. But I am not hiring to guy who is using it as and angle on draft nite
So many areas where u can go find some element of racism. To use that?
Could it be gmen liked jones more? God forbid
Btw. I just don’t see much upward projectors with DJ. Maybe some with better cast. But u can say that about most of qbs in league
RE: BleedBlue  
BleedBlue : 12/2/2021 12:28 pm : link
In comment 15476961 Dnew15 said:
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I think this where I am:

eh i dont think they were suckers.

I mean lets look at the entire picture.

you select a guy you like 6 overall, he plays well during his rookie year, you feel good about the guy so he is the starter in year 2.has a poor year but most agree the team is BADLY flawed with no talent. he gets a pass

year 3 he struggles....okay now the alarms start going off and you say he isnt the one....this is where we are. the giants probably dont feel great about him.he MAY get another year as we use our draft captial to fill some other holes,but i dont really expect jones to be the guy past next season unless he makes a SERIOUS turn around which i dont expect.

I think the timeline of events is pretty standard


thats where everyone should be because thats where we are. It sucks and some maybe didnt like jonesfrom the beginning but we are fans. we dont make the picks.We are allowed to disagree but the timeline for how they handle poor draft choices is pretty standard when it comes to jones...
My apologies. Riddick didn’t imply racism  
cosmicj : 12/2/2021 12:29 pm : link
Had to do with the 2019 selection.

The linked NYPost article on Riddick (2019) is eye opening. I don’t think I agree with a single thing he says.
Giants’ would-be GM Riddick: Daniel Jones is not QB I’d have drafted - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: So in  
Scooter185 : 12/2/2021 12:35 pm : link
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.



No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.

Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.



"sticking" with jones LOL its been 3 fucking years dude...my god. NFL teams dont give up that quickly on players unless the player has something else against them. for haskins,it was his attitude. that simple..


PLEASE go on record right now as to who you want in the 2022 draft so I can root for that just so we dont have to hear you whine and bitch for the next 3 years. PLEASE GO ON RECORD


Yeah about that, QBs are getting 3 and maybe 4 years to show they're the guy. We saw it last year/early this year with Darnold. We're hearing about it now with Mayfield. Goff was a warning example for all the other teams, so unless something changes in the next CBA, teams absolutely will be giving up on guys after 3-4 years.
rofl  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2021 12:35 pm : link
DG on a tear trading OBJ, not resigning Collins, and not picking Haskins.
I like Cowherd but he is a flip flopper  
Lines of Scrimmage : 12/2/2021 12:52 pm : link
He was high on Jones just a few weeks ago.

Riddick seems like he would try to outsmart the league. I read the post article. He makes no mention of what has killed the Giants for a decades. Physicality and losing the lines. Even with Jones, I think if the Giants were in the upper 12 on the OL and front 7 we would have been division winners last year and strongly in position for the playoffs this year.
RE: RE: Given that he insinuated the Giants picked Jones  
Payasdaddy : 12/2/2021 1:17 pm : link
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Due to racism, I’d be astonished if Riddick is even on the short list. It’s ok to disagree publicly about a prospect, but lay that sort of accusation out there? Anyone else feel that way?



I don’t like the racist theme by riddick either. The same team who had a minority GM winning two SB, the love of LT,Strahan and others
As far as I could tell, Blue is the only color that gmen front office cares about.
U can debate Haskins and jones all u want draft nite. Fair debate. But I am not hiring to guy who is using it as and angle on draft nite
So many areas where u can go find some element of racism. To use that?
Could it be gmen liked jones more? God forbid
Btw. I just don’t see much upward projectors with DJ. Maybe some with better cast. But u can say that about most of qbs in league


If riddick didn’t imply racism, then I want a mulligan on my last paragraph!
RE: RE: So in  
Milton : 12/2/2021 2:36 pm : link
In comment 15476843 Go Terps said:
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Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.

Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
It could've been worse. They could've drafted someone who made a couple of Pro Bowls and required an outrageously expensive contract extension. At least with Jones we don't have to worry about that costly second contract.
RE: RE: So in  
Toth029 : 12/2/2021 3:40 pm : link
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.



No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.

Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.


The discussion was WFT lucked out with Haskins being so stupid and terrible at his job. Why isn't the same labeled for Baker? Fact is, both guys were absolutely terrible and are, at the moment, fringe players and hanging in the league by a thread.

Jones, you might not like or felt was overdrafted, may be fair; but he is immensely better than Haskins and the Giants would be a much worse spot if Haskins was here. Or Drew Lock. Giants have a plethora of issues with a major one already gone. Unfortunately another big one, Mara, isn't going anywhere.
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Go Terps : 12/2/2021 4:11 pm : link
Drafting Baker and cutting him shortly after would have been preferable to drafting a poor CB and starting him at CB for 3 years in the hopes that he'd become a good CB.

The sin isn't in missing on a pick. That can and does happen to everyone. The sin is in failing to acknowledge that you missed and pretending the player is going to become something he isn't.
RE: rofl  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 4:42 pm : link
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DG on a tear trading OBJ, not resigning Collins, and not picking Haskins.

Where are the other three computah guys?
Riddick said in 2019, he would have done the following  
Vanzetti : 12/2/2021 6:31 pm : link
1. Drafted Haskins and let him sit for a year behind Eli

2. Retained Odell

3. Resigned Landon Collins

That's worse than DG
RE: Regarding Riddick- Two Words  
Paulie Walnuts : 12/2/2021 7:07 pm : link
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Dwayne Haskins


Hard pass on Riddick for GM.
yep I dont get the BBI love for Riddick
RE: RE: Regarding Riddick- Two Words  
EricJ : 12/2/2021 7:10 pm : link
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Hard pass on Riddick for GM.

yep I dont get the BBI love for Riddick


people like shiny things
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:11 pm : link
I guess I'm in the minority, but I like Cowherd. He's a helluva lot better than a lot of other sports gabbers out there. I like Nick Wright a lot. And yeah, I listen to Simmons even though his Boston love is a bit too much. I don't listen to his Sunday pod with Cousin Sal because I find Sal not to be funny @ all, but annoying AF about his Cowboys.
RE: Takes some severe cognitive dissonance to compare Haskins and Jones  
Gatorade Dunk : 12/2/2021 7:33 pm : link
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Haskins raised obvious red flags that bbi'ers notice, but Riddick doesn't. I mean is he even doing his job at some minimal level? Somebody brought up the painful Eli Apple pick thread and BOOM somebody said right away 'he's always holding on to his receiver and can't turn his head' - Bingo. That level bad evaluation.


The biggest gripe about Jones from the bbi ESPN watching crowd was arm strength. I think he's proven that's not his biggest weakness, some unexpected problems with fumbling and 'pocket awareness' for sure. Also arm strength is highly overrated by the bbi ESPN watching crowd of course.

The Eli Apple pick thread? In 2016?

What was your BBI handle back then?
Remember when these talking heads said the Giants were racist..  
EricJ : 12/2/2021 7:57 pm : link
for not picking Haskins?
I'm not a Louis Riddick apologist  
shadow_spinner0 : 12/3/2021 3:51 pm : link
and championing for him to be the next GM no matter what. However everytime Giants fans hear his name the only argument him is that "he would have drafted Haskins", okay besides that what else? If you're going to wave off credibility of a draft talker because he missed on a guy, then you should be listening to none of them. They all miss and miss big. Guys like Bill Polian was quoted saying Lamar Jackson should be a WR, and instead he became an NFL MP QB. Back to Riddick, is the Haskins thing the only complaint? Or is there something else.
RE: I'm not a Louis Riddick apologist  
Johnny5 : 12/3/2021 6:19 pm : link
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and championing for him to be the next GM no matter what. However everytime Giants fans hear his name the only argument him is that "he would have drafted Haskins", okay besides that what else? If you're going to wave off credibility of a draft talker because he missed on a guy, then you should be listening to none of them. They all miss and miss big. Guys like Bill Polian was quoted saying Lamar Jackson should be a WR, and instead he became an NFL MP QB. Back to Riddick, is the Haskins thing the only complaint? Or is there something else.

The Haskins thing is HUGE. He also was very critical of the Andrew Thomas pick, but yeah to your question the Haskins thing is a gigantic Red X on Riddick for me.
Riddick  
darren in pdx : 12/3/2021 9:42 pm : link
is a big no for Haskins alone to me, huge red flag. That disaster could be seen coming miles away. Also seen a lot of people criticize him as a 'basketball on grass' type of philosophy to team-building. No thank you.
If missing on a QB evaluation was a death sentence  
Ten Ton Hammer : 12/3/2021 9:53 pm : link
Then I dont want to read any of you quoting Bill Polian again around draft time to support your arguments.
 
christian : 12/3/2021 10:06 pm : link
Riddick was in the media, not the scouting and management world that off season. Who knows what his views would have been if he’d been part of the evaluation process as part of a front office.

Riddick didn’t have access to the medicals, psychologicals, and the in-person interviews.

He was a talking head giving an opinion on game tape and publicly available interviews. His opinion on ESPN was the professional equivalent of a mock draft.
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