I linked the episode, NYG talk starts at 7:20 mark. I reference this since I think Riddick will be in play for general manager. A few notes:
-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.
-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.
-Riddick would love to be a GM and has made it known to ESPN. He feels he has an excellent grip on where the game is headed, more so now than when he worked for WFT & Philly.
-Riddick is a Pitt alum and is a fan of Pickett.
Worth a listen imo.
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Hard pass on Riddick for GM.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.
I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
...now I'm picturing the scab morphing with the cotton in a puss/crust (DJ get's a 2nd contract)...that's a hard pull~
WTF about WFT?
They had to eat Haskins bonus money after a year.
But, he can't be worse than what we have now..DG has been an utter failure on so many levels.
He sounds like he's interviewing for a job every time.
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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.
-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.
I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.
well they are coming from two different people sooo
It’s unbelievable to me you trust guys like Peart, Lemieux and Hernandez with no depth to speak of.
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These are inconsistent thoughts, IMO:
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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.
-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.
I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.
well they are coming from two different people sooo
Haha, I totally skipped that. Thanks!
Make up your mind, man.
Make up your mind, man.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
Exactly. Staying with a bad QB too long versus quickly moving on from a bad QB choice is how the Jones pick can actually be viewed as being worse than picking Haskins.
Having said that, neither the NYG or the WFT have a long-term solution at QB.
OK. So show me a good evaluation from Riddick.
He's an oversensitive dummy who has already blocked half of Giants twitter.
No way on Louis.
The bar is pretty low to be better than DG IMO
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
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-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.
-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.
I'm a huge no on Riddick. Get me someone who has experience in a good organization.
Agreed, I want no part of Riddick as GM.
So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.
For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.
I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.
Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?
Make up your mind, man.
He's a political sports talkie. The worst. Says shit to get people up or worked up and then pivots as needed.
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.
For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.
I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.
Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?
Haskins is not brought up just because Riddick liked him, but for the reasons WHY he liked him. Riddick was all about the physical package, arm strength, tools, etc. Nevermind that he had no tool box and looked winded running a scripted workout. Haskins is Jamarcus Russell.
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
Picking up the option because he's mediocre...yes, that would be QB hell.
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
Terps, I respectfully disagree. Missing on a QB and having to draft another one high is worse than chasing a bad QB pick. At least if you are trying to build up talent around a bad QB that talent can be used for a future QB. The Jets are a prime example of what happens when you are constantly taking first round QB's because you are not hitting on them. What helped the Giants is that Kerry Collins proved to be an effective stopgap until they could get someone like Eli Manning, much like Heinecke is for Washington. The problem is he is not a long term solution. Successful teams in the NFL are not changing QB's at least as frequently as once every 3 or 4 years. The chemistry needed and being able to run an offense requires that you have stability at QB position.
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In comment 15476622 christian said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
We're in the middle of the 3rd season...not sure that qualifies as QB hell.
Picking up the option because he's mediocre...yes, that would be QB hell.
I agree, QB Hell involves overpaying a QB. Jones on a rookie deal pre-5th year option is commensurate with what his performance dictates. There are back-up QB's being paid more than him. If we don't exercise 5th year option, which we shouldn't, we can dump him this offseason at little cost or be done with him completely if we wait until after 2022 season. That is different than Vikings overpaying Kirk Cousins and being unable to get out from under the contract or Rams having to include many assets to get out of Goff's deal.
Only under a new coach and new regime, when Haskins showed himself nothing less than determined to get his ass benched by violating covid protocols and hanging with strippers on social media, could Washington cut ties.
It is revisionist history to declare that Washington is a smartly-run football team based on how they "moved on" from Haskins. Douchebag #1 is still with the team, and still calling the shots.
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.
For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.
I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.
Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?
Haskins is not brought up just because Riddick liked him, but for the reasons WHY he liked him. Riddick was all about the physical package, arm strength, tools, etc. Nevermind that he had no tool box and looked winded running a scripted workout. Haskins is Jamarcus Russell.
All of that is true, but Haskins also had the 2nd best collegiate production among draft-eligible QBs that season, right behind Murray.
On one hand, I do want to ding Riddick for Haskins, but on the other hand, I kinda do prefer for a GM to value actual production instead of falling in full-bloom-love at an all star game.
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In comment 15476613 George from PA said:
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So much is made of the Riddick/Haskins thing.
For one thing, there have been plenty of very good GMs who have missed on a QB eval. And you can actually make a case that when your QB choice isn't a stud, you're much better off having him be an abject bust rather than a protracted question mark. I'd rather fail fast than slow if I'm not assured of success.
I don't intend that as an endorsement of Riddick. But just to say that it's become a bit of a trope to trot out the Haskins reference every single time.
Would we be any worse off had Riddick chosen Haskins instead of DG picking DJ? Would we be any farther away from a Super Bowl?
Haskins is not brought up just because Riddick liked him, but for the reasons WHY he liked him. Riddick was all about the physical package, arm strength, tools, etc. Nevermind that he had no tool box and looked winded running a scripted workout. Haskins is Jamarcus Russell.
All of that is true, but Haskins also had the 2nd best collegiate production among draft-eligible QBs that season, right behind Murray.
On one hand, I do want to ding Riddick for Haskins, but on the other hand, I kinda do prefer for a GM to value actual production instead of falling in full-bloom-love at an all star game.
But if you watched Haskins in college his first read was frequently wide open and they ran a lot of spread looks where he could take advantage of DB's who would never be more than FBS back-ups. There were red flags about how he would convert to a pro system when he didn't have that luxury. Sort of like Ron Dayne not having an OL that could physically dominate any DL they played against.
His footwork was really awful.
If you're going to fail anyway, fail quickly.
I am not a fan of Riddick. Not who I would want as our next GM.
I am not a fan of Riddick. Not who I would want as our next GM.
Those people have already made up their mind. They want to tank the season, get a new GM/Coach, and force the QB pick for anyone who can run around like a jitterbug and throw a ball through a wall. That's it. That's what they want.