I linked the episode, NYG talk starts at 7:20 mark. I reference this since I think Riddick will be in play for general manager. A few notes:
-Cowherd likes the Giants roster but thinks they got QB wrong which is the biggest cause for their issues.
-Riddick thinks it’s tough to evaluate Jones because everything has been inconsistent. Sometimes the OL makes it impossible, sometimes the WR’s get no separation & sometimes Jones misses the play.
-Riddick would love to be a GM and has made it known to ESPN. He feels he has an excellent grip on where the game is headed, more so now than when he worked for WFT & Philly.
-Riddick is a Pitt alum and is a fan of Pickett.
Worth a listen imo.
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This is about Riddick not DJ.
I am not a fan of Riddick. Not who I would want as our next GM.
Those people have already made up their mind. They want to tank the season, get a new GM/Coach, and force the QB pick for anyone who can run around like a jitterbug and throw a ball through a wall. That's it. That's what they want.
Yep. Aka the Jets.
No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.
Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
LMFAO what a fucking garbage take.
HASKINS IS TRASH. jones has at least shown flashes of being a good player. he actaully has wins. I get what youre saying but disagree because i dont think the giants are in QB hell. they can easily move on from jones. secondly, we dont know who they would have taken after haskins if they cut bait right away. they could have taken or gotten some trash QB. I think you hate jones somuch that you will actually say we should have taken a now 3rd stringer over him. jones is the better player...really not much more to say there
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.
No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.
Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
"sticking" with jones LOL its been 3 fucking years dude...my god. NFL teams dont give up that quickly on players unless the player has something else against them. for haskins,it was his attitude. that simple..
PLEASE go on record right now as to who you want in the 2022 draft so I can root for that just so we dont have to hear you whine and bitch for the next 3 years. PLEASE GO ON RECORD
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
LMFAO what a fucking garbage take.
HASKINS IS TRASH. jones has at least shown flashes of being a good player. he actaully has wins. I get what youre saying but disagree because i dont think the giants are in QB hell. they can easily move on from jones. secondly, we dont know who they would have taken after haskins if they cut bait right away. they could have taken or gotten some trash QB. I think you hate jones somuch that you will actually say we should have taken a now 3rd stringer over him. jones is the better player...really not much more to say there
You're missing the point.
Both players are very likely to be busts. Haskins just revealed himself sooner, allowing them to move on while we keep making excuses for DJ.
LIterally no one.
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In comment 15476622 christian said:
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Haskins was a quick band aid pull for WFT.
There’s a good chance Jones turns out to be one of those slow ones that gets stuck in your arm hair.
There needs to be a stickied post outlining that missing on a QB pick isn't half as bad as chasing that bad QB pick.
The Giants would have been better off picking Haskins over Jones. Haskins would have forced them to move on, rather than the self-imposed QB hell we've experienced with Jones.
LMFAO what a fucking garbage take.
HASKINS IS TRASH. jones has at least shown flashes of being a good player. he actaully has wins. I get what youre saying but disagree because i dont think the giants are in QB hell. they can easily move on from jones. secondly, we dont know who they would have taken after haskins if they cut bait right away. they could have taken or gotten some trash QB. I think you hate jones somuch that you will actually say we should have taken a now 3rd stringer over him. jones is the better player...really not much more to say there
You're missing the point.
Both players are very likely to be busts. Haskins just revealed himself sooner, allowing them to move on while we keep making excuses for DJ.
its not excuses....jones is the better player and is a hard working, team guy with NO attitude. haskins isnt in the same realm....its why he was cut bait with sooner. its pretty simple to understand.
I dont think him being cut sooner means wish we drafted him instead. i dont agree with that at all...
on top of all of that, this is hindsight and stupid to even debate over.
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.
Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.
Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
i dont think anybodywas suckered... i think people saw a young guy producing in an offense that was flawed and without significant talent. MANY people thought jones could be a player after his rookie year. its not suckered...its what we see from a guy early in his career. what he puts on tape does mean something and isnt just ignored.
lets put it like this. how many here wanted jones GONE after his rookie year? not even terps would say get rid of him. the kid showed up and played well...it doesnt mean he is the savior but it certainly means we may have hit on this pick and he may be our franchise QB.not sure why any of that is a shock or out of the norm
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.
Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
They're suckers for four games.
They fell in love during the TB game. The Jets and Lions games (sandwiched around a bad game vs. DAL) helped keep the flame burning. And 5 TDs against a bunch of scrubs in Washington uniforms in a meaningless game was the wedding night.
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.
Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
i dont think anybodywas suckered... i think people saw a young guy producing in an offense that was flawed and without significant talent. MANY people thought jones could be a player after his rookie year. its not suckered...its what we see from a guy early in his career. what he puts on tape does mean something and isnt just ignored.
lets put it like this. how many here wanted jones GONE after his rookie year? not even terps would say get rid of him. the kid showed up and played well...it doesnt mean he is the savior but it certainly means we may have hit on this pick and he may be our franchise QB.not sure why any of that is a shock or out of the norm
I said after his rookie year that there was a problem. What I did not recognize was how good Herbert was.
But it was clear after 2019 that there were red flags with Jones. You either saw them or chose not to.
Riddick is right where he belongs: nowhere near an NFL front office.
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.
Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
They're suckers for four games.
They fell in love during the TB game. The Jets and Lions games (sandwiched around a bad game vs. DAL) helped keep the flame burning. And 5 TDs against a bunch of scrubs in Washington uniforms in a meaningless game was the wedding night.
eh i dont think they were suckers.
I mean lets look at the entire picture.
you select a guy you like 6 overall, he plays well during his rookie year, you feel good about the guy so he is the starter in year 2.has a poor year but most agree the team is BADLY flawed with no talent. he gets a pass
year 3 he struggles....okay now the alarms start going off and you say he isnt the one....this is where we are. the giants probably dont feel great about him.he MAY get another year as we use our draft captial to fill some other holes,but i dont really expect jones to be the guy past next season unless he makes a SERIOUS turn around which i dont expect.
I think the timeline of events is pretty standard
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Literally no one has ever come back from the kind of start that DJ has had to his career and stayed with the same franchise and turned it around...
LIterally no one.
his rookie stats were legit...
why he fell off is anyones guess. maybe itwas the OC? maybe it was the continuous failing of the OL? Maybe it was an allusion? who knows, but point remains, there is NO shot the giants can move on after his rookie year. youre only argument is theycould have after last season, but with the OL inconsistencies and a new OC, nobody really knows where to place the blame...
He didn't "fall off," he returned to his level. Go look at his college stats; they're exactly where he is now, relative to the level of competition.
Why are so many NYG fans suckers for a single outlier year? Did you buy into Matt Flynn, too?
i dont think anybodywas suckered... i think people saw a young guy producing in an offense that was flawed and without significant talent. MANY people thought jones could be a player after his rookie year. its not suckered...its what we see from a guy early in his career. what he puts on tape does mean something and isnt just ignored.
lets put it like this. how many here wanted jones GONE after his rookie year? not even terps would say get rid of him. the kid showed up and played well...it doesnt mean he is the savior but it certainly means we may have hit on this pick and he may be our franchise QB.not sure why any of that is a shock or out of the norm
I said after his rookie year that there was a problem. What I did not recognize was how good Herbert was.
But it was clear after 2019 that there were red flags with Jones. You either saw them or chose not to.
i wanted herbert badly but at that point not much you can do. FYI, we know DG loved herbert....herbert wouldnt have gotten past giants if he came out. in fact, i think giants may have moved up to secure him.
The biggest gripe about Jones from the bbi ESPN watching crowd was arm strength. I think he's proven that's not his biggest weakness, some unexpected problems with fumbling and 'pocket awareness' for sure. Also arm strength is highly overrated by the bbi ESPN watching crowd of course.
The biggest gripe about Jones from the bbi ESPN watching crowd was arm strength. I think he's proven that's not his biggest weakness, some unexpected problems with fumbling and 'pocket awareness' for sure. Also arm strength is highly overrated by the bbi ESPN watching crowd of course.
Wrong.
It was decision-making field processing.
But you weren't on BBI then, according to your profile, so maybe fuck off, dupe?
I really hope that this is just lazy media speculation because the internal guy, TV personality you previously interviewed and your immediate professional network isn't exactly an inspired search for a franchise that has been as bad as the Giants have been for as long as they have been bad.
I never recall Riddick blaming race. I think other ESPN/FS1 personalities did, but don’t believe Riddick did.
He's interviewed before, they were recently photographed together having a pleasant conversation before the bucs game, and Raanan reported he was on the list.
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.
No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.
Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
This. The time we have already wasted and probably will in 2022 (with Jones) is ridiculous.
eh i dont think they were suckers.
I mean lets look at the entire picture.
you select a guy you like 6 overall, he plays well during his rookie year, you feel good about the guy so he is the starter in year 2.has a poor year but most agree the team is BADLY flawed with no talent. he gets a pass
year 3 he struggles....okay now the alarms start going off and you say he isnt the one....this is where we are. the giants probably dont feel great about him.he MAY get another year as we use our draft captial to fill some other holes,but i dont really expect jones to be the guy past next season unless he makes a SERIOUS turn around which i dont expect.
I think the timeline of events is pretty standard
I don’t like the racist theme by riddick either. The same team who had a minority GM winning two SB, the love of LT,Strahan and others
As far as I could tell, Blue is the only color that gmen front office cares about.
U can debate Haskins and jones all u want draft nite. Fair debate. But I am not hiring to guy who is using it as and angle on draft nite
So many areas where u can go find some element of racism. To use that?
Could it be gmen liked jones more? God forbid
Btw. I just don’t see much upward projectors with DJ. Maybe some with better cast. But u can say that about most of qbs in league
eh i dont think they were suckers.
I mean lets look at the entire picture.
you select a guy you like 6 overall, he plays well during his rookie year, you feel good about the guy so he is the starter in year 2.has a poor year but most agree the team is BADLY flawed with no talent. he gets a pass
year 3 he struggles....okay now the alarms start going off and you say he isnt the one....this is where we are. the giants probably dont feel great about him.he MAY get another year as we use our draft captial to fill some other holes,but i dont really expect jones to be the guy past next season unless he makes a SERIOUS turn around which i dont expect.
I think the timeline of events is pretty standard
thats where everyone should be because thats where we are. It sucks and some maybe didnt like jonesfrom the beginning but we are fans. we dont make the picks.We are allowed to disagree but the timeline for how they handle poor draft choices is pretty standard when it comes to jones...
The linked NYPost article on Riddick (2019) is eye opening. I don’t think I agree with a single thing he says.
Giants’ would-be GM Riddick: Daniel Jones is not QB I’d have drafted - ( New Window )
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.
No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.
Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
"sticking" with jones LOL its been 3 fucking years dude...my god. NFL teams dont give up that quickly on players unless the player has something else against them. for haskins,it was his attitude. that simple..
PLEASE go on record right now as to who you want in the 2022 draft so I can root for that just so we dont have to hear you whine and bitch for the next 3 years. PLEASE GO ON RECORD
Yeah about that, QBs are getting 3 and maybe 4 years to show they're the guy. We saw it last year/early this year with Darnold. We're hearing about it now with Mayfield. Goff was a warning example for all the other teams, so unless something changes in the next CBA, teams absolutely will be giving up on guys after 3-4 years.
Riddick seems like he would try to outsmart the league. I read the post article. He makes no mention of what has killed the Giants for a decades. Physicality and losing the lines. Even with Jones, I think if the Giants were in the upper 12 on the OL and front 7 we would have been division winners last year and strongly in position for the playoffs this year.
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Due to racism, I’d be astonished if Riddick is even on the short list. It’s ok to disagree publicly about a prospect, but lay that sort of accusation out there? Anyone else feel that way?
I don’t like the racist theme by riddick either. The same team who had a minority GM winning two SB, the love of LT,Strahan and others
As far as I could tell, Blue is the only color that gmen front office cares about.
U can debate Haskins and jones all u want draft nite. Fair debate. But I am not hiring to guy who is using it as and angle on draft nite
So many areas where u can go find some element of racism. To use that?
Could it be gmen liked jones more? God forbid
Btw. I just don’t see much upward projectors with DJ. Maybe some with better cast. But u can say that about most of qbs in league
If riddick didn’t imply racism, then I want a mulligan on my last paragraph!
Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
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Hindsight drafting Deandre Baker was a good move. At least they moved on quickly.
No. Sticking with Jones has been so shitty that it would have been better for the Giants if he'd retired the minute they drafted him.
Washington was forced to move on. The Giants are still chasing a lost cause. Wasting time.
The discussion was WFT lucked out with Haskins being so stupid and terrible at his job. Why isn't the same labeled for Baker? Fact is, both guys were absolutely terrible and are, at the moment, fringe players and hanging in the league by a thread.
Jones, you might not like or felt was overdrafted, may be fair; but he is immensely better than Haskins and the Giants would be a much worse spot if Haskins was here. Or Drew Lock. Giants have a plethora of issues with a major one already gone. Unfortunately another big one, Mara, isn't going anywhere.
The sin isn't in missing on a pick. That can and does happen to everyone. The sin is in failing to acknowledge that you missed and pretending the player is going to become something he isn't.
Where are the other three computah guys?
2. Retained Odell
3. Resigned Landon Collins
That's worse than DG
Hard pass on Riddick for GM.
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Hard pass on Riddick for GM.
yep I dont get the BBI love for Riddick
people like shiny things
The biggest gripe about Jones from the bbi ESPN watching crowd was arm strength. I think he's proven that's not his biggest weakness, some unexpected problems with fumbling and 'pocket awareness' for sure. Also arm strength is highly overrated by the bbi ESPN watching crowd of course.
The Eli Apple pick thread? In 2016?
What was your BBI handle back then?
The Haskins thing is HUGE. He also was very critical of the Andrew Thomas pick, but yeah to your question the Haskins thing is a gigantic Red X on Riddick for me.
Riddick didn’t have access to the medicals, psychologicals, and the in-person interviews.
He was a talking head giving an opinion on game tape and publicly available interviews. His opinion on ESPN was the professional equivalent of a mock draft.