NFT: Bulls @ Knicks @ 730pm

In comment 15477668 adamg said:

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OKC fans... tough luck...

Some guy I never heard of on the Memphis bench was +52 over 28 minutes

Paying RJ $100+ million makes no sense for them, and they already have a million draft picks.

so I’m guessing he was out tonight. OKC minus him is a disaster.

Are bad so far this year. Julius Randle should be told he is not allowed to dribble or try to score in the last 2 minutes if a game. He can’t make free throws and he turns the ball. At least the 2nd gsme we lost this year because of his free throws and turnovers at the end of a game.

just wanted to say: we will never win anything of significance if our best player and leader (i.e. Randle) is so extremely un-clutch. I know we can't win a championship with him as our best player anyway, but I'm saying we won't even win a playoff series, and it will be tough to win anything with him even as our 2nd best player because he just absolutely plays his worst basketball when the pressure is REALLY on. It's demoralizing to think about, and I'm sure demoralizing for the team. The team works so hard to come all the way back and Randle completely blows it. 1/3 shooting FTs in the last 2 minutes, and then with a tie game he does exactly the thing you CANNOT do: turn the ball over. Not only do you not get a shot on basket, you give the other team an easy 3 on 1 fast break so they can take the lead w/ less than 1 min left. It's like sending your QB out there in a tie game to lead a game winning drive and on the first play he just throws a pick 6. Ball security has to be #1 priority in that situation and Randle consistently exhibits a careless handle.

It's like the opposite of having Eli Manning. When we had Eli it just really felt like we always had a chance to win because we knew he was so clutch when the pressure was on late in the game. With Randle I feel the opposite. I just feel like we're going to lose every single game because he's going to fuck it up. Ball needs to be in the hands of Rose or Burks in those late game situations.

Alright rant over.

I'm not saying Randle can NEVER become a clutch player. But it ain't looking good. And we'll never win anything real as long as he is so un-clutch. He's not just un-clutch, he's anti-clutch. He's awful in crunch time 95% of the time.

But IDK. Maybe he just needs to keep putting the work in. Last year he became a much better player but it was without fans in the stands. Maybe he just needs to keep working tirelessly and someday he'll be able to replicate that good play in crunch time situations.

missed 2 free throws and turned it over he choked last night but can we stop acting like he has never hit clutch shots for the Knicks..

We know he is not a number 1 but without him last night knicks arent even close..

they have to work hard to get back in the game. How about the “team” doesn’t turn over the ball 18 times.

It’s hard to win games when you have to consistently work your way back after digging yourself a big hole. That’s a team issue, not just a Randle issue. Nobody ever confused Randle with a superstar player but the fact is that the Knicks are better with him than without him.

and them getting down by 20 there is no excuse they were sloppy and playing lackadasical..

But they were also shorthanded, no Rj ehich was big on the defensive end and Gibson getting tossed 3 minutes into him entering the game left them with 1 center..

They basically had no bench.. they had 2 guys off the bench play meaningful minutes..

I give them credit for coming back but they need to come out saturday and not play like they are easing into the game

i could see the Knicks making moves

1. The Knicks consistently being late rotating to Vuc on the perimeter. How many open 3's are we going to let him hit?

2. The Bulls had Lavine to close. We had Randle who came up small at the very end.

Instead of complaining on EVERY call maybe he should have found a way to defend all the open 3s Vucevic had.

But the NBA and frankly sports in general is about putting a team together with players that excel in areas of their strength. What team asks their PF to bring the ball up and run the offense in a tie game with 2 minutes to go? We should have given Randle a true ball handler and facilitator this Summer and we didn't. We took a gamble on Kemba which at 8 mill per year for 2 years was fine, but it was a gamble that seems to be blowing up in our faces. You can blame Randle all you want, and yes the missed ft's are inexcusable but he was superb the rest of the game including most of the 4th qtr. For all the good Leon Rose has done, he and his management team have failed miserably at getting the most important piece of an NBA team- a star or even a DeRozan type that you can put the ball in his hands at the end of the game and ask him to either create a good shot for himself or a good look for a teammate. Randle actually made some huge plays to win games last year. He hasn't always been un clutch here, he's just struggled this year in a small sample size.

In comment 15477790 Stu11 said:

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But the NBA and frankly sports in general is about putting a team together with players that excel in areas of their strength. What team asks their PF to bring the ball up and run the offense in a tie game with 2 minutes to go? We should have given Randle a true ball handler and facilitator this Summer and we didn't. We took a gamble on Kemba which at 8 mill per year for 2 years was fine, but it was a gamble that seems to be blowing up in our faces. You can blame Randle all you want, and yes the missed ft's are inexcusable but he was superb the rest of the game including most of the 4th qtr. For all the good Leon Rose has done, he and his management team have failed miserably at getting the most important piece of an NBA team- a star or even a DeRozan type that you can put the ball in his hands at the end of the game and ask him to either create a good shot for himself or a good look for a teammate. Randle actually made some huge plays to win games last year. He hasn't always been un clutch here, he's just struggled this year in a small sample size.

I didnt like Thibs taking out Rose with 5 minutes left, maybe he was tired, but he brought him back with 2 minutes left..

I would of went small with Toppin and Randle, amitch was gassed and couodnt get out on vucevic

In comment 15477799 nygiants16 said:

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I didnt like Thibs taking out Rose with 5 minutes left, maybe he was tired, but he brought him back with 2 minutes left.. I would of went small with Toppin and Randle, amitch was gassed and couodnt get out on vucevic

Thibs seems to like to do that with Rose. Takes him out around the 6-8 minute mark of the 4th and brings him back at around 2 or 3. I agree on Toppin. Our defensive rebounding took a huge hit when he wasn't in there last night and he would do a much better job on Vuc. Since the foot injury Mitch simply doesn't have the quickness and burst to recover on those Vuc 3's the way Obi does.

is trade for Brogdon and Turner, i think Pacers blow it up..

Probably take Rj and Mitch and cap filler maybe a future 1st..

Brogdon, Fournier, Burks, Randle, Turner

bench: Rose, Quick, Grimes, Toppin, Gibson

You keep your dynamic duo off the bench with Toppin..

Turner slides right in as a rim protector but spreads the floor offensively, Brogdon controls the offense, plays good defense, is big and strong just like Thibs likes

In comment 15477815 nygiants16 said:

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is trade for Brogdon and Turner, i think Pacers blow it up.. Probably take Rj and Mitch and cap filler maybe a future 1st.. Brogdon, Fournier, Burks, Randle, Turner bench: Rose, Quick, Grimes, Toppin, Gibson You keep your dynamic duo off the bench with Toppin.. Turner slides right in as a rim protector but spreads the floor offensively, Brogdon controls the offense, plays good defense, is big and strong just like Thibs likes

Endorsed.

Sabonis, LeVert, Brogdon, Turner and Duarte and they just don’t get it done. If you were ranking our starters with there’s where would they fall? Mostly behind and the team continues to underachieve. Before you say it yes our bench is way better but on paper their starting 5 has it all over ours.

In comment 15477927 Carl in CT said:

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Sabonis, LeVert, Brogdon, Turner and Duarte and they just don’t get it done. If you were ranking our starters with there’s where would they fall? Mostly behind and the team continues to underachieve. Before you say it yes our bench is way better but on paper their starting 5 has it all over ours.

agreed its a weird group. Turner seems to not translate his high rating to wins (KAT similar ish? in that sense).

they are in a good spot to blow it up and rebuild- and probably should- peopel value their bigs- and brogdon has value-

In comment 15477815 nygiants16 said:

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is trade for Brogdon and Turner, i think Pacers blow it up.. Probably take Rj and Mitch and cap filler maybe a future 1st.. Brogdon, Fournier, Burks, Randle, Turner bench: Rose, Quick, Grimes, Toppin, Gibson You keep your dynamic duo off the bench with Toppin.. Turner slides right in as a rim protector but spreads the floor offensively, Brogdon controls the offense, plays good defense, is big and strong just like Thibs likes

Would do that in a heartbeat

In comment 15477927 Carl in CT said:

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Sabonis, LeVert, Brogdon, Turner and Duarte and they just don’t get it done. If you were ranking our starters with there’s where would they fall? Mostly behind and the team continues to underachieve. Before you say it yes our bench is way better but on paper their starting 5 has it all over ours.

I dont get it, you look at them on paper and they should be top 6 and its not like they have terrible players on their bench..

I could see them building around Levert, Duarte and Sabonis..

who is money late in games and can go to at crunch time, like a Kevin Durant or DeMar DeRozan. Randle is not at that level. Barrett could be one day, but I have my doubts. Unitl they do, they are gonna more often lose close games instead of win them

In comment 15477946 LTIsTheGreatest said:

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who is money late in games and can go to at crunch time, like a Kevin Durant or DeMar DeRozan. Randle is not at that level. Barrett could be one day, but I have my doubts. Unitl they do, they are gonna more often lose close games instead of win them

Whats funny is Derozan was considered a career loser that came up small in big spots and you couodnt win with him as your 1st or 2nd player

has a positive point differential on the season but somehow is only 9-15. Sometimes one or two blowouts in a smaller sample size can skew that, but it points to some bad luck I guess. When they beat us decisively in Indy very early in the season, I figured they were about to take off after a slow start.

FWIW, Brogdan just signed an extension so I believe he cannot be traded this year.

In comment 15477968 31southst said:

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FWIW, Brogdan just signed an extension so I believe he cannot be traded this year.

Your right, damnit forgot about the extension

Neil olshey

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Two young superstars that can not mesh no matter who you put around them. That’s another team that needs to move 1 for a hall. They just don’t fit.

to win without a PG.

In comment 15478208 Carl in CT said:

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Two young superstars that can not mesh no matter who you put around them. That’s another team that needs to move 1 for a hall. They just don’t fit.

Because Tatum and Brown dont move the ball, they worry about their scoring at thats it

Scott Perry among candidates to be considered in Portland (connection to Chauncey from Detroit days). A lot of Knicks reporters have connected those dots too. Hope he gets that job.

I was hoping that would be Kemba. Back before he was completely cooked and deep fried, he was huge in those spots. Maybe we try Rose?

In comment 15478250 bceagle05 said:

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Scott Perry among candidates to be considered in Portland (connection to Chauncey from Detroit days). A lot of Knicks reporters have connected those dots too. Hope he gets that job.

still can't believe we traded a pick for Perry. Maybe we can get the rights to some Euro who will never play in the NBA for him...

In comment 15478185 nygiants16 said:

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Hope he feels rejuvenated and starts shooting like he can.

In comment 15478344 Enzo said:

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In comment 15478250 bceagle05 said: Quote: Scott Perry among candidates to be considered in Portland (connection to Chauncey from Detroit days). A lot of Knicks reporters have connected those dots too. Hope he gets that job. still can't believe we traded a pick for Perry. Maybe we can get the rights to some Euro who will never play in the NBA for him...

Save us from a bad Melo deal. Got us a decent Porzingis deal. Signed Randle. Can't complain compared to his predecessors.

In comment 15478040 nygiants16 said:

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Neil olshey

Apparently he was a terror to work with.

In comment 15478407 adamg said:

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In comment 15478185 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. Hope he feels rejuvenated and starts shooting like he can.

With Burks, Fournier and Randle, Rj should attack the paint constantly, plenty of space

In comment 15478446 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 15478407 adamg said: Quote: In comment 15478185 nygiants16 said: Quote: .. Hope he feels rejuvenated and starts shooting like he can. With Burks, Fournier and Randle, Rj should attack the paint constantly, plenty of space

Yes, but he also needs to shoot better. Need the 3pt% from last year. I'm hopeful.

I have no clue what's going on with RJ. He's been a mess lately. Him & JR have both regressed this season. Granted, it is still incredibly early in this season...but still alarming.

In comment 15478492 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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I have no clue what's going on with RJ. He's been a mess lately. Him & JR have both regressed this season. Granted, it is still incredibly early in this season...but still alarming.

Randle looks to be coming out of it, not settling for 3s as much

goos to see means they are at least to good for that level

Cavs are much better than I thought going into season.

losing by 15 at home to Miami with No Butler or Bam

Kemba, Mitxh and Knox and a couple of 2nds for Turner?

He said yesterday on countdown that if Lillard asked for a trade he would want to go to New york, that is the only team he would want to go to..

People in his inner circle want him to give Philly a look but his eyes are on New York

In comment 15478615 nygiants16 said:

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Kemba, Mitxh and Knox and a couple of 2nds for Turner?

I think that's light. Would have to be at least one #1 pick going back to them IMO. Unless Mitch really starts playing well. But even then, you wonder what his value is considering he's a UFA this summer.

In comment 15478815 Enzo said:

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In comment 15478615 nygiants16 said: Quote: Kemba, Mitxh and Knox and a couple of 2nds for Turner? I think that's light. Would have to be at least one #1 pick going back to them IMO. Unless Mitch really starts playing well. But even then, you wonder what his value is considering he's a UFA this summer.

True plus pacers might be looking for more wings and play sabonis at the 5

they would have extended Mitch on a fair deal - but I think it's fair to say the front office is probably not 100% ready to commit to him. It sucks because 2 years ago I think he had a lot of value as a trade piece.

his game is full of holes. Homerism blinds