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NFT: Bulls @ Knicks @ 730pm

nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 12:30 pm
series is 1-1, last game Knicks had a chance to win but couldnt close it out..

I think Thibs found his closing lineup with Rose, quick, Burks, Randle and Mitch, Fournier and Rj will be sprinkled in but i think he trists those 5 right now to close. Defense is good, team moves the ball and can score..

We have seen the Bulls, we know how they play, they play through Derozan and Lavin with Vucevic spreading the floor..I exoect the Knicks to attack vucevic, he is not the greatest defender..

Their bench is thin but Donavon keeps Derozan or Lavine on the floor at all times..

Should be fun, both games were battles, expect the same
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Have to limit DeRozan  
larryflower37 : 12/2/2021 12:46 pm : link
He has killed us in the first 2 games, way to many easy looks.
Rose is always up for a game in Chicago this should be another fun one.
Game is in  
ChicagoMarty : 12/2/2021 12:54 pm : link
New York.

Vucevic looks like he has regained his shooting touch so Bulls have a legitimate three-headed scoring machine in Vucevic, Lavine, and DeRozan.

Coby White is out tonight for the Bulls which means more of Caruso and Ayo. Bulls bench is actually pretty good with regard to defensive intensity.

Should be a good game
Problem for the Knicks  
Vanzetti : 12/2/2021 1:00 pm : link
is that they do not have a big man/shot blocker who can hit a jump shot

The Knicks offense really requires five guys who can hit three pointers. That would stop all the doubling in a second. Porzingas trade really killed them
I can't wait for Noel to take years off my  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 1:03 pm : link
Life.
Obi should guard him at  
Carl in CT : 12/2/2021 1:07 pm : link
The three point line. He is more of a perimeter player with a shot. Iif he takes his game down low then make adjustments.
RE: I can't wait for Noel to take years off my  
Stu11 : 12/2/2021 1:40 pm : link
In comment 15477005 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Life.

Of all the re-signings that was the only bad one. Not horrific as it's basically a 2 year 9 mill per deal. However with Mitch here rather than bringing back a a zero on offense as a backup we should have looked for a floor spacer.
RE: Problem for the Knicks  
Del Shofner : 12/2/2021 1:46 pm : link
In comment 15477003 Vanzetti said:
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is that they do not have a big man/shot blocker who can hit a jump shot

The Knicks offense really requires five guys who can hit three pointers. That would stop all the doubling in a second. Porzingas trade really killed them


Don't disagree that the Knicks need a big man who can hit a jump shot. Can't say that I miss Porzingis though.
correct on the way to attack the Bulls is inside  
KDavies : 12/2/2021 1:49 pm : link
for the most part (except for a stinker here or there, plus your top teams like the Warriors), the games they have lost is where teams have a strong inside game. Knicks, Sixers, Pacers, Heat.

Vucevic is nothing much defensively, and the Williams injury is killing them at PF. They will trade for/get on a buyout an inside player or two by the time the playoffs start.
RE: RE: I can't wait for Noel to take years off my  
JohninSC : 12/2/2021 2:11 pm : link
In comment 15477060 Stu11 said:
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In comment 15477005 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Life.


Of all the re-signings that was the only bad one. Not horrific as it's basically a 2 year 9 mill per deal. However with Mitch here rather than bringing back a a zero on offense as a backup we should have looked for a floor spacer.


It wasn't that bad if you look at in the context of Robinson never being healthy. Knicks need a defensive presence in the middle. Noel provides that and is a solid backup to Mitch.

I agree with his offensive production though.
Yeah we kinda doubled down on vets at every spot….  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2021 3:02 pm : link
Rose/Kemba, Fournier/Burks, Noel/Taj - we probably could’ve signed one of each and trusted the young guys with bigger roles. Oh well.
RE: Yeah we kinda doubled down on vets at every spot….  
Mike from SI : 12/2/2021 3:05 pm : link
In comment 15477146 bceagle05 said:
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Rose/Kemba, Fournier/Burks, Noel/Taj - we probably could’ve signed one of each and trusted the young guys with bigger roles. Oh well.


I'm fine with depth. Guys get injured. We have one of the deeper rosters in the league.
Vucevic  
ChicagoMarty : 12/2/2021 3:08 pm : link
has quick hands and moves his feet well for a big man. I think his defense is underrated.

Having said that - the Bulls have one of the most potent small ball games in the NBA.

They have a number of long-limbed defenders who play D with 48 minutes of intensity.

You can try to attack them inside but you have to first get the ball in there and then they converge. Many a team has forced the ball inside only to suffer a plethora of turnovers that lead to fast break points against.

What has occasionally worked against the Bulls is an effective inside-out game where the opposing Big passes out to the three-point line and the long ball converts on a high percentage.

Do the Knicks hit a high percentage of their threes consistently?
RE: Vucevic  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 3:15 pm : link
In comment 15477154 ChicagoMarty said:
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has quick hands and moves his feet well for a big man. I think his defense is underrated.

Having said that - the Bulls have one of the most potent small ball games in the NBA.

They have a number of long-limbed defenders who play D with 48 minutes of intensity.

You can try to attack them inside but you have to first get the ball in there and then they converge. Many a team has forced the ball inside only to suffer a plethora of turnovers that lead to fast break points against.

What has occasionally worked against the Bulls is an effective inside-out game where the opposing Big passes out to the three-point line and the long ball converts on a high percentage.

Do the Knicks hit a high percentage of their threes consistently?


Knicms habe had success in the paint in the first 2 games, Randle has also passed very well out of the double in both games..

Knicks hit 37% of their 3s as a team
To beat the Bulls  
ChicagoMarty : 12/2/2021 3:30 pm : link
you have to have your point guard penetrate the paint and get into an inside-out game that effectively hits on the three.

I don't see an effective penetrator on the Knicks with the occasional exception of Rose.

Bulls guards Lonzo Ball and Caruso are terrific defenders that cause a lot of turnovers and more than that are just downright disruptive in gumming up the opposing offensive plays.

Can Rose provide 30 or minutes of turnover-free penetration?

Can Knicks hit their average 37% on three's?

I know Thibs is famous for his Defense but I think the Bulls D is what will decide this game. Bulls are relentless on D.

Bulls move the ball well and unselfishly on O. They maintain patience in moving the ball and hitting the open man. Lonzo Ball and Caruso are very effective offensive complements to Vucevic, DeRozan, and Lavine.

Really looking forward to this game as it bears some semblance to the old Knicks-Bulls rivalry.
RE: To beat the Bulls  
Heisenberg : 12/2/2021 3:44 pm : link
In comment 15477190 ChicagoMarty said:
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you have to have your point guard penetrate the paint and get into an inside-out game that effectively hits on the three.

I don't see an effective penetrator on the Knicks with the occasional exception of Rose.

Bulls guards Lonzo Ball and Caruso are terrific defenders that cause a lot of turnovers and more than that are just downright disruptive in gumming up the opposing offensive plays.

Can Rose provide 30 or minutes of turnover-free penetration?

Can Knicks hit their average 37% on three's?

I know Thibs is famous for his Defense but I think the Bulls D is what will decide this game. Bulls are relentless on D.

Bulls move the ball well and unselfishly on O. They maintain patience in moving the ball and hitting the open man. Lonzo Ball and Caruso are very effective offensive complements to Vucevic, DeRozan, and Lavine.

Really looking forward to this game as it bears some semblance to the old Knicks-Bulls rivalry.


That's actually not how the Knicks play offense at all. The offense runs through Randle in half court. He played well in the first game in terms of distributing the ball - only Caruso really tripped him up. We'll see if he does as well this time. IIRC there was a lack of rim protection for CHI but it wasn't just point guards who could exploit it.

Shifting Kemba out and Burks in will have an interesting impact. RJ did well on defense in the first matchup but whomever he wasn't guarding went off on Fournier. Now Burks provides a better defender and more switchability. It's a little different from that perspective.

Should be a really fun game. The team who defends best will probably win, IMO.
I think the knew starting lineup matches up with the Bulls  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 3:49 pm : link
better because the Knicks now have 2 strong defenders in the lineup with Burks and Rj, Derozan not going to be able to just bully his way to his spots..

Ball is not going to get into the paint, he is a 3 and d, Fournier will most likely guard him..

Knicks can switch 1 through 4....

Knicks offensively spread you out and run thriugh randle, you can double him if you want but the Knicks habe 2 knock down shooters and rj who can get hot from 3..

Then off the bench you have the guys who are going to change the pace with Rose, Quick and Toppin..
Hoping Obi  
Beezer : 12/2/2021 4:12 pm : link
gets more than ELEVEN EFFING MINUTES tonight.
RE: I think the knew starting lineup matches up with the Bulls  
Mike from SI : 12/2/2021 4:13 pm : link
In comment 15477220 nygiants16 said:
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better because the Knicks now have 2 strong defenders in the lineup with Burks and Rj, Derozan not going to be able to just bully his way to his spots..

Ball is not going to get into the paint, he is a 3 and d, Fournier will most likely guard him..

Knicks can switch 1 through 4....

Knicks offensively spread you out and run thriugh randle, you can double him if you want but the Knicks habe 2 knock down shooters and rj who can get hot from 3..

Then off the bench you have the guys who are going to change the pace with Rose, Quick and Toppin..


You admitted RJ is a good defender! You're coming around! (Kidding.)
Rj game time decision  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 6:13 pm : link
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RE: To beat the Bulls  
BigBlueShock : 12/2/2021 6:38 pm : link
In comment 15477190 ChicagoMarty said:
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you have to have your point guard penetrate the paint and get into an inside-out game that effectively hits on the three.

I don't see an effective penetrator on the Knicks with the occasional exception of Rose.

Bulls guards Lonzo Ball and Caruso are terrific defenders that cause a lot of turnovers and more than that are just downright disruptive in gumming up the opposing offensive plays.

Can Rose provide 30 or minutes of turnover-free penetration?

Can Knicks hit their average 37% on three's?

I know Thibs is famous for his Defense but I think the Bulls D is what will decide this game. Bulls are relentless on D.

Bulls move the ball well and unselfishly on O. They maintain patience in moving the ball and hitting the open man. Lonzo Ball and Caruso are very effective offensive complements to Vucevic, DeRozan, and Lavine.

Really looking forward to this game as it bears some semblance to the old Knicks-Bulls rivalry.

Jeez. Reading this from a Bulls fan it’s apparent the Knicks may as well not even show up. Oh well. On to the next one…
No rj and Nerlens  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 6:38 pm : link
Does Grimes start to keep the bench intact? or does he go Rose?

Do we see Toppin and Randle or will Gibson and Mitch split the minutes?
RE: RE: To beat the Bulls  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 6:41 pm : link
In comment 15477420 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 15477190 ChicagoMarty said:


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you have to have your point guard penetrate the paint and get into an inside-out game that effectively hits on the three.

I don't see an effective penetrator on the Knicks with the occasional exception of Rose.

Bulls guards Lonzo Ball and Caruso are terrific defenders that cause a lot of turnovers and more than that are just downright disruptive in gumming up the opposing offensive plays.

Can Rose provide 30 or minutes of turnover-free penetration?

Can Knicks hit their average 37% on three's?

I know Thibs is famous for his Defense but I think the Bulls D is what will decide this game. Bulls are relentless on D.

Bulls move the ball well and unselfishly on O. They maintain patience in moving the ball and hitting the open man. Lonzo Ball and Caruso are very effective offensive complements to Vucevic, DeRozan, and Lavine.

Really looking forward to this game as it bears some semblance to the old Knicks-Bulls rivalry.


Jeez. Reading this from a Bulls fan it’s apparent the Knicks may as well not even show up. Oh well. On to the next one…


He doesnt realize the Knicks have thr best defensive rating in the league without Kemba and 9th best offensively...
RE: No rj and Nerlens  
BigBlueShock : 12/2/2021 6:43 pm : link
In comment 15477421 nygiants16 said:
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Does Grimes start to keep the bench intact? or does he go Rose?

Do we see Toppin and Randle or will Gibson and Mitch split the minutes?

Sims is out sick as well
LBJ back tomorrow.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 6:44 pm : link
And is it me or has he been a real dick this season.
RE: LBJ back tomorrow.  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 6:45 pm : link
In comment 15477429 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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And is it me or has he been a real dick this season.


Because he knows his team sucks and he has no shot and his body is starting to fail him a little bit..

Calling it now if the Knicks make a bkg trade and have roster spots open the Lakers will trade Melo to New york
Quickley starting  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 6:59 pm : link
with Burks, Fournier, Randle and Mitch
RE: Quickley starting  
Del Shofner : 12/2/2021 7:02 pm : link
In comment 15477439 nygiants16 said:
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with Burks, Fournier, Randle and Mitch


Interesting!
is this IQ's first  
Del Shofner : 12/2/2021 7:02 pm : link
NBA start?
RE: is this IQ's first  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:03 pm : link
In comment 15477444 Del Shofner said:
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NBA start?


I think he started a game last year but i could be wrong
Del...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:04 pm : link
I think so? I can't recall him starting last season.
started 3 games last year  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:05 pm : link
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RE: started 3 games last year  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:06 pm : link
In comment 15477451 nygiants16 said:
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Wow. That's 3 more than I thought, Haha. But who can forget the immortal Elfrid?
RE: RE: started 3 games last year  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:17 pm : link
In comment 15477457 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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In comment 15477451 nygiants16 said:


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Wow. That's 3 more than I thought, Haha. But who can forget the immortal Elfrid?


yeah i dont remember the 3 games
It's really ridiculous with our bigs  
Stu11 : 12/2/2021 7:37 pm : link
Like they are all literally day to day every day.
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:38 pm : link
Got a good feeling about tonight.
Mitch has some of the laziest plays i have ver seen  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:47 pm : link
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Brutal start from Mitch.  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2021 7:47 pm : link
He’s obviously banged up, and now limps off.
Mitch.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:49 pm : link
UGH!
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:52 pm : link
Vuc is killing us.
Vucevic  
ChicagoMarty : 12/2/2021 7:52 pm : link
off to a good start.

That bodes well for the Bulls
ChicagoMarty.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:54 pm : link
What's the word on Lavine sticking around the Windy City? You confident?
soft ass official  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:56 pm : link
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and now Taj is ejected!  
Del Shofner : 12/2/2021 7:56 pm : link
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LOL Taj is tossed.  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2021 7:56 pm : link
Have to play Obi now, Thibs. Sorry.
am i allowed to overreact to that bullshit?  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:57 pm : link
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Refs looking good tonight  
adamg : 12/2/2021 7:57 pm : link
They're having a big game so far...
WTF  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:58 pm : link
?
This is turning into a circus.  
bceagle05 : 12/2/2021 7:58 pm : link
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and dont tell me  
nygiants16 : 12/2/2021 7:58 pm : link
this isnt a reaction to the Knicks complaining from last game
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 12/2/2021 7:59 pm : link
So JR and Thibs bitch about officiating vs. Nets & Taj gets ejected in the FIRST quarter? No, not fishy @ all.
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