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TheBlueprintNC : 12/2/2021 2:14 pm
GM- Ok everyone gets their wish Giants are going to get a new one.. Need someone that can add Line talent and depth that can work with Judge, but always push back a bit.

Coaching- is staying and I like what Judge is building here culture wise, needs to be more aggressive with game plans and i think he is learning from his mistakes, I like keeping Kitchens as OC, I like Sale too. Graham has the D playing hard and controlled, Secondary is starting to shine, LB finally added some mid field pressure.

D- So far we have built a solid Secondary CB and S, a very good interior DLine, Finally starting to add some more quality at LBr, get Martinez back nxt year too. Besides OL we need to draft D Talent Now we need to add pass rushers. But I would keep adding to Graham D -needs more Mid field talent and pressure on QB

O- God help us build the OL -Thomas is the real deal, can we get back any of the other 2?, will Wilson be something nxt yr? Peart -says a lot he is not on the field and Solder is, TE ? RB -does it matter? we cant run if cant runblock and this OL has been the top 3 worst in league statistically across the board the last 2 years. QB Dan is the man next year, they have to give him protection at least enough to where he feels comfortable in pocket -did you see that he is pressured immediately on drop backs 50%! of the time? WR building something here with recent additions, KG KT Slayton, Ross I would draft more here too Shep is cooked. Been overrated since day one -said it then too. Dan has not had a complement of starters for more than 17% of the time hes started. Pathetic. Bottom Line Fix the OL! Find someone that can do it. Gmen cant win if cant win the Line. Scoring hard to score in the red zone when you constantly shoot yourself in the foot with negative plays and penalties. Let alone cant run the ball or pass protect.

ST- Gano is the man, need a punter Dixon is not good enough to win the field position game. He's out. Coverage has been very good, need to see more of a return game. that should come.

Draft needs for new GM -OT OG DE DE LB are musts


draft needs  
djm : 12/2/2021 2:19 pm : link
IMPACT. WE need maniacs that hate to lose, preferably along the front 7. OL BPA, especially tackle.
RE: draft needs  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/2/2021 2:20 pm : link
In comment 15477098 djm said:
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IMPACT. WE need maniacs that hate to lose, preferably along the front 7. OL BPA, especially tackle.


Like that
If not going QB, then should have plenty of picks to add  
chick310 : 12/2/2021 2:24 pm : link
impactful players to a roster lacking it almost everywhere.

Can't presume who will be BPA when they pick but the scouting on Offensive Line, Edge/OLB and Tight Ends better be sharp this offseason.
RE: If not going QB, then should have plenty of picks to add  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/2/2021 2:30 pm : link
In comment 15477106 chick310 said:
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impactful players to a roster lacking it almost everywhere.

Can't presume who will be BPA when they pick but the scouting on Offensive Line, Edge/OLB and Tight Ends better be sharp this offseason.


Absolutely agree. This team can win with Dan if the give him some protection and a run game. The D needs more talent to create pressure
We better have an incredible draft!  
Daniel in Kentucky : 12/2/2021 2:41 pm : link
We have almost no cap space; and are losing Peppers, Hernandez, Engram, & Carter. A lot of jokes to fill with no money.
Jokes  
Daniel in Kentucky : 12/2/2021 2:42 pm : link
*holes
Maybe I should have left it jokes  
Daniel in Kentucky : 12/2/2021 2:42 pm : link
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RE: Jokes  
Pepe LePugh : 12/2/2021 2:45 pm : link
In comment 15477121 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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*holes

Freudian slip?
RE: We better have an incredible draft!  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/2/2021 2:46 pm : link
In comment 15477120 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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We have almost no cap space; and are losing Peppers, Hernandez, Engram, & Carter. A lot of jokes to fill with no money.


Jokes -is right.

There is nobody there that is worth keeping except Hernandez but on a smaller deal.. Love Ryan and X have replaced Peppers. Engram Buh Bye, Carter -where is he going. Maybe maybe not, not a huge loss. Get Martinez back I like Ojulari, maybe we get some more out of Roche too.
The Giants should trade down with one of those 1st rounders  
81_Great_Dane : 12/2/2021 2:55 pm : link
and get a later 1st, an extra 2nd and an extra 3rd. As noted above, they have a ton of needs and can't afford to re-sign a lot of their veterans, never mind go shopping on the free agent market.

Normally, I'd say there's no point in having 11 draft picks because you can't keep that many rookie draftees. In 2022, 11 or even 12 picks seems about right as long as the extra picks are skewed toward day 2 and aren't mainly developmental prospects.

I know, they need a trade partner. I don't think that will be a big problem if they have two top-10 picks. Use one, trade the other and get at least 3 picks back.

If the Giants end up with two firsts, two seconds and three thirds, they will at least have the advantage of numbers. Then they can throw resources at OL and pass rush, while also filling holes vacated by departing free agents.
RE: We better have an incredible draft!  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/2/2021 3:09 pm : link
In comment 15477120 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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We have almost no cap space; and are losing Peppers, Hernandez, Engram, & Carter. A lot of jokes to fill with no money.


We finally found a perfect fit for Carter, the destroy Jalen Hurts on every read option play guy.
 
christian : 12/2/2021 4:00 pm : link
The Giants offseason is best looked at in blocks:

Players Not Under Contract in 2022
Austin Johnson
Nate Solder
Billy Price
Evan Engram
Jabrill Peppers
John Ross
Will Hernandez
Levine Toilolo
Mike Glennon
Nate Ebner
Reggie Ragland
Danny Shelton
Elijhaa Penny
Lorenzo Carter
Quincy Wilson
Matt Skura
Benardrick McKinney
Casey Kreiter
Korey Cunningham
Joshua Kalu
C.J. Board
Dante Pettis
Cullen Gillaspia
Trent Harris
Chris Myarick
J.R. Reed
Kyle Murphy
Keion Crossen
Jonotthan Harrison

I’d start thinking who on that list should come back.
RE: RE: draft needs  
Joe Beckwith : 12/2/2021 4:00 pm : link
In comment 15477101 TheBlueprintNC said:
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IMPACT. WE need maniacs that hate to lose, preferably along the front 7. OL BPA, especially tackle.



Like that


Yep. Especially the HATE TO LOSE part.
Can you explain what you mean by  
NoGainDayne : 12/2/2021 4:21 pm : link
"you like what JJ is building here culture wise" what is that exactly? What are the signs to you that we have a good culture?
Unless we're looking at Lawrence to NT  
Simms11 : 12/2/2021 4:24 pm : link
next year, we will also need to consider a guy who can eat up blockers. Our run D in the middle is atrocious and I constantly see our Dline being pushed around.
RE: If not going QB, then should have plenty of picks to add  
joeinpa : 12/2/2021 4:39 pm : link
In comment 15477106 chick310 said:
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impactful players to a roster lacking it almost everywhere.

Can't presume who will be BPA when they pick but the scouting on Offensive Line, Edge/OLB and Tight Ends better be sharp this offseason.


Even if Jones turns out to not be the answer, if they finally build an offensive line, they can be more competitive and have a solid line in place for his successor.

I ve heard Phil Simms State more than once, “You can’t overcome bad O line play, Giants have certainly proven that.

Clearly, the positions where we have the greatest needs are  
BigBlueNH : 12/2/2021 4:43 pm : link
OL, TE, Edge and ILB. I would hope this is where we focus in the draft and FA. (I'm OK with taking a QB after round 1; IMO, there is not one worthy of a top 10 pick.)
Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
Producer : 12/2/2021 4:47 pm : link
and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.
RE: The Giants should trade down with one of those 1st rounders  
Payasdaddy : 12/2/2021 5:14 pm : link
In comment 15477135 81_Great_Dane said:
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and get a later 1st, an extra 2nd and an extra 3rd. As noted above, they have a ton of needs and can't afford to re-sign a lot of their veterans, never mind go shopping on the free agent market.

Normally, I'd say there's no point in having 11 draft picks because you can't keep that many rookie draftees. In 2022, 11 or even 12 picks seems about right as long as the extra picks are skewed toward day 2 and aren't mainly developmental prospects.

I know, they need a trade partner. I don't think that will be a big problem if they have two top-10 picks. Use one, trade the other and get at least 3 picks back.

If the Giants end up with two firsts, two seconds and three thirds, they will at least have the advantage of numbers. Then they can throw resources at OL and pass rush, while also filling holes vacated by departing free agents.


Agreed. We have a lot of holes. We may only get a 2; not both
But 7 picks in first 110 can turn franchise around if used and coached effectively. Sets up salary cap well in 2023 and we shed the latest rd of albatross contracts
RE: …  
Vanzetti : 12/2/2021 5:18 pm : link
In comment 15477233 christian said:
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The Giants offseason is best looked at in blocks:

Players Not Under Contract in 2022
Austin Johnson
Nate Solder
Billy Price
Evan Engram
Jabrill Peppers
John Ross
Will Hernandez
Levine Toilolo
Mike Glennon
Nate Ebner
Reggie Ragland
Danny Shelton
Elijhaa Penny
Lorenzo Carter
Quincy Wilson
Matt Skura
Benardrick McKinney
Casey Kreiter
Korey Cunningham
Joshua Kalu
C.J. Board
Dante Pettis
Cullen Gillaspia
Trent Harris
Chris Myarick
J.R. Reed
Kyle Murphy
Keion Crossen
Jonotthan Harrison

I’d start thinking who on that list should come back.



Thanks for the list.

To me, nobody on that list is someone you must have back. I would maybe sign Pettis and Ross as WR depth. But only for minimal $$
RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
Angel Eyes : 12/2/2021 5:23 pm : link
In comment 15477285 Producer said:
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and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.

So you're fine with the Giants giving up large chunks of yardage on the ground or in the air and not getting pressure on the quarterback?
RE: RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
joeinpa : 12/2/2021 5:40 pm : link
In comment 15477334 Angel Eyes said:
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and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.


So you're fine with the Giants giving up large chunks of yardage on the ground or in the air and not getting pressure on the quarterback?


Defense isn’t good. It s been more effect than the offense, but it s far from good

There is little pass rush, and they get gauged by the run. You can’t continually allow people intothe redbone by playing so soft between the 20 s.
RE: Can you explain what you mean by  
Regular Coffee : 12/2/2021 5:55 pm : link
In comment 15477258 NoGainDayne said:
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"you like what JJ is building here culture wise" what is that exactly? What are the signs to you that we have a good culture?


Great post! What is Judge building here? A play not to lose culture? A head coach who demonstrates no confidence in his players? A head coach who punts when the team in past the opponent's 40-yard line? Are the Giants a training academy for wannabe head coaches who lack experience, courage, skill, guts, motivational skills, leadership skills, understanding of the game, stuck in a 1980's mindset, a former ST coach who keeps the worst punter in the league?

Yeah, he's sure building a culture here!
RE: RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
Producer : 12/2/2021 6:02 pm : link
In comment 15477334 Angel Eyes said:
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and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.


So you're fine with the Giants giving up large chunks of yardage on the ground or in the air and not getting pressure on the quarterback?


Every week somebody's great defense is getting smoked. I would build the offense up and make it a force. That will pressure the other team's offense into a predictable game plan. Let's have a team that puts up 30+ most games.
RE: RE: RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
Payasdaddy : 12/2/2021 6:10 pm : link
In comment 15477378 Producer said:
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and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.


So you're fine with the Giants giving up large chunks of yardage on the ground or in the air and not getting pressure on the quarterback?



Every week somebody's great defense is getting smoked. I would build the offense up and make it a force. That will pressure the other team's offense into a predictable game plan. Let's have a team that puts up 30+ most games.


Like a monster offense
But that isn’t ever happening with jones as qb. He isn’t that prolific, even if he had two more good olineman and one more offensive weapon
I am not against drafting another wr with a 2nd or 3rd if value is there
RE: RE: RE: RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
Producer : 12/2/2021 11:50 pm : link
In comment 15477386 Payasdaddy said:
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and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.


So you're fine with the Giants giving up large chunks of yardage on the ground or in the air and not getting pressure on the quarterback?



Every week somebody's great defense is getting smoked. I would build the offense up and make it a force. That will pressure the other team's offense into a predictable game plan. Let's have a team that puts up 30+ most games.



Like a monster offense
But that isn’t ever happening with jones as qb. He isn’t that prolific, even if he had two more good olineman and one more offensive weapon
I am not against drafting another wr with a 2nd or 3rd if value is there


No.. we're going to have to replace him in the next two years. I would go OL heavy in the first round. A developmental QB, a TE, more OL, a late round WR/RB.

RE: …  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15477233 christian said:
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The Giants offseason is best looked at in blocks:

Players Not Under Contract in 2022
Austin Johnson
Nate Solder
Billy Price
Evan Engram
Jabrill Peppers
John Ross
Will Hernandez
Levine Toilolo
Mike Glennon
Nate Ebner
Reggie Ragland
Danny Shelton
Elijhaa Penny
Lorenzo Carter
Quincy Wilson
Matt Skura
Benardrick McKinney
Casey Kreiter
Korey Cunningham
Joshua Kalu
C.J. Board
Dante Pettis
Cullen Gillaspia
Trent Harris
Chris Myarick
J.R. Reed
Kyle Murphy
Keion Crossen
Jonotthan Harrison

I’d start thinking who on that list should come back.


Maybe 3-4 names tops.
RE: Unless we're looking at Lawrence to NT  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 9:48 am : link
In comment 15477262 Simms11 said:
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next year, we will also need to consider a guy who can eat up blockers. Our run D in the middle is atrocious and I constantly see our Dline being pushed around.


Missing big piece -MLBr and Shelton is terrible
RE: RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 9:50 am : link
In comment 15477334 Angel Eyes said:
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and the Giants offense is anemic.

The defense is actually pretty good.

The emphasis should be to build a 21st century offense. I would spend almost all the picks improving the "O". There is a reason defensive picks are happening later and later in the NFL draft.

Put together a monster offense, and the defense will also benefit.


So you're fine with the Giants giving up large chunks of yardage on the ground or in the air and not getting pressure on the quarterback?


If we start to build pressure a lot of that is alleviated.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Offense is the name of the game in 2021  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 9:53 am : link
In comment [
Every week somebody's great defense is getting smoked. I would build the offense up and make it a force. That will pressure the other team's offense into a predictable game plan. Let's have a team that puts up 30+ most games.



Like a monster offense
But that isn’t ever happening with jones as qb. He isn’t that prolific, even if he had two more good olineman and one more offensive weapon
I am not against drafting another wr with a 2nd or 3rd if value is there [/quote]

He has played very well when hes had some semblence of pass protection and run game -go see his stats on the few of those games. Aaron Rodgers could elevate his team when he has pressure 50% of the time and no run game. Ask Russell Wilson or Pat Mahomes
RE: RE: Can you explain what you mean by  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 10:06 am : link
In comment 15477369 Regular Coffee said:
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"you like what JJ is building here culture wise" what is that exactly? What are the signs to you that we have a good culture?



Great post! What is Judge building here? A play not to lose culture? A head coach who demonstrates no confidence in his players? A head coach who punts when the team in past the opponent's 40-yard line? Are the Giants a training academy for wannabe head coaches who lack experience, courage, skill, guts, motivational skills, leadership skills, understanding of the game, stuck in a 1980's mindset, a former ST coach who keeps the worst punter in the league?

Yeah, he's sure building a culture here!


Good Q -this team has fight, it is undermanned but it shows up and plays hard. They make no excuses. I agree Judge needs to get more aggressive and i think he will. Its easy to cry about this and that but this team was eviscerated on the OL and has no depth -yet they fight forward with guys from the street. I saw teams fold with much more going for them, like the mercenary unit Reeeech built at the end of Elis career. Keep adding talent to the building blocks we have DTx2 CBx2 LBrx2 SS FS LT C if ok WRx2 QB RB if resign
If you watched last nights game  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 10:10 am : link
Dallas has a wealth of talent, but NO without key players took it to them. You're telling me NO with a QB and starting LT RT would have lost that game? Dallas is a front running team
BlueprintNC  
chick310 : 12/3/2021 10:13 am : link
Good point on the Wide Receiver comment. Many including myself would like to think we are okay at WR because of additions from this past offseason. Or because of other larger issues with the offense.

But the real truth may be that Golladay and Shepard will continue to miss too many games from injury, Slayton and Ross continue to be more of a 4th/5th WR-type, and Toney remains a wild card. And if any of this does come to fruition, then the NYG absolutely should be looking for a more impactful and reliable starting WR in the Draft.

The way Offenses are becoming so pass-happy, it may not be a bad idea to take a WR almost every year in the draft at some point.
That said Not taking Parsons  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 10:13 am : link
Is a fireable offense. We needed this guy. I was pissed then and im pissed now. Cyoung not so much but this guy -someones head needs to roll.
RE: BlueprintNC  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 10:19 am : link
In comment 15477892 chick310 said:
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Good point on the Wide Receiver comment. Many including myself would like to think we are okay at WR because of additions from this past offseason. Or because of other larger issues with the offense.

But the real truth may be that Golladay and Shepard will continue to miss too many games from injury, Slayton and Ross continue to be more of a 4th/5th WR-type, and Toney remains a wild card. And if any of this does come to fruition, then the NYG absolutely should be looking for a more impactful and reliable starting WR in the Draft.

The way Offenses are becoming so pass-happy, it may not be a bad idea to take a WR almost every year in the draft at some point.


Yeah thing is good WRs and RBs can be found in lower rounds too. at least they should be. But your points abount injuries are valid.
My plan would be to not sign too many people in the offseason;  
Angel Eyes : 12/3/2021 10:36 am : link
of present free-agents, maybe Penny, A. Johnson, Skura (if he can play center), Kreiter, and Glennon. With outside help, a stopgap edge rusher to hold the fort while a rookie is eased in, say Justin Houston or Jabaal Sheard; 1-year, 4 million (roughly about Houston's deal with Baltimore at present). Cut Solder, keep Peart as swing tackle.

The other part of my plan is converting to a 4-3/4-2 nickel defense full-time, because we aren't going anywhere with the edges we have now with run defense or pass rush; time to change things up. Did a mock draft a few days ago to build up trenches, strengthen ends of the line and linebacking corps.
RE: My plan would be to not sign too many people in the offseason;  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/3/2021 10:54 am : link
In comment 15477909 Angel Eyes said:
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of present free-agents, maybe Penny, A. Johnson, Skura (if he can play center), Kreiter, and Glennon. With outside help, a stopgap edge rusher to hold the fort while a rookie is eased in, say Justin Houston or Jabaal Sheard; 1-year, 4 million (roughly about Houston's deal with Baltimore at present). Cut Solder, keep Peart as swing tackle.

The other part of my plan is converting to a 4-3/4-2 nickel defense full-time, because we aren't going anywhere with the edges we have now with run defense or pass rush; time to change things up. Did a mock draft a few days ago to build up trenches, strengthen ends of the line and linebacking corps.


I like it and i like the names I would add the LBr MCkinney
Penny  
Spiciest Memelord : 12/3/2021 1:59 pm : link
would be good for a New England style backfield of a mix of complementary powerback, receiving back and versatile backs.
RE: RE: My plan would be to not sign too many people in the offseason;  
Angel Eyes : 12/3/2021 5:20 pm : link
In comment 15477935 TheBlueprintNC said:
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of present free-agents, maybe Penny, A. Johnson, Skura (if he can play center), Kreiter, and Glennon. With outside help, a stopgap edge rusher to hold the fort while a rookie is eased in, say Justin Houston or Jabaal Sheard; 1-year, 4 million (roughly about Houston's deal with Baltimore at present). Cut Solder, keep Peart as swing tackle.

The other part of my plan is converting to a 4-3/4-2 nickel defense full-time, because we aren't going anywhere with the edges we have now with run defense or pass rush; time to change things up. Did a mock draft a few days ago to build up trenches, strengthen ends of the line and linebacking corps.



I like it and i like the names I would add the LBr MCkinney

Did another mock draft today; had to adjust plans since one of the defensive tackles I drafted, Cory Durden, said he was returning to college. So this is what I wound up with:

1st Round
Pick No. 6: DE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
Pick No. 25: OG Ikem Ekwonu, NC State (received from trading pick no. 22 with Cowboys, used to draft S Daxton Hill)

2nd Round
Pick No. 39: LB Brandon Smith, Penn State
Pick No. 56: OT Abraham Lucas, Washington State (received from trading picks no. 7, 56, and 87 with Bills, as well as 2nd round and 5th round for 2023; Bills drafted CB Kaiir Elam)

3rd Round
Pick No. 74: TE Jake Ferguson, Wisconsin
Pick No. 91: RB Zonovan Knight, NC State (received from trading pick no. 70 with Titans; Titans drafted TE Jaheel Billingsly)
Pick No. 94: DT Matthew Butler, Tennessee (received from trading pick no. 87 with Packers)

4th Round
Pick No. 108: LB Henry To'o To'o, Alabama
Pick No. 135: OC Ricky Stromberg, Arkansas (received from Packers trade)
Pick No. 139: DT John Ridgeway, Arkansas (received from Cowboys trade)

5th Round
Pick No. 148: DE Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State
Pick No. 168: TE Charlie Kolar, Iowa State

6th Round:
Pick No. 186: S Sterling Weatherford, Miami of Ohio

7th Round:
Pick No. 226: WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati

Think I hit most of the places the Giants might need help and to convert the defense: Edges (assuming Graham actually wants to stop the run and rush the passer), three offensive linemen at guard (don't think I want to keep Hernandez), tackle (to replace Solder), and center (if Gates can't get back and if Skura can hold the fort), two linebackers who can cover and tackle, two tight ends who can block and catch, two defensive tackles to rotate with Williams and Lawrence, a power running back to complement Barkley and Booker, a bigger safety to replace Peppers, and a wide receiver to backup Golladay. The only things I didn't address were a cornerback to replace Bradberry and a quarterback to push Jones.
So Glennon isnt the answer lol  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/6/2021 8:58 am : link
Ok back to the Plan
SQ doesnt run between the tackles, How can he they cant open holes he can trust and hes coming off a terrible injury

There is no other way around it -The New GM must rebuild the OL everything else is pointless.. The New GM must build D Pressure by adding more talent AND attitude.

Leave Dan out for the rest of the season and let the other guys take the beating.
That 1st rd looks unrealistic.  
cosmicj : 12/6/2021 9:01 am : link
Neither player will be there.
RE: RE: RE: My plan would be to not sign too many people in the offseason;  
TheBlueprintNC : 12/6/2021 9:07 am : link
In comment 15478402 Angel Eyes said:
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of present free-agents, maybe Penny, A. Johnson, Skura (if he can play center), Kreiter, and Glennon. With outside help, a stopgap edge rusher to hold the fort while a rookie is eased in, say Justin Houston or Jabaal Sheard; 1-year, 4 million (roughly about Houston's deal with Baltimore at present). Cut Solder, keep Peart as swing tackle.

The other part of my plan is converting to a 4-3/4-2 nickel defense full-time, because we aren't going anywhere with the edges we have now with run defense or pass rush; time to change things up. Did a mock draft a few days ago to build up trenches, strengthen ends of the line and linebacking corps.



I like it and i like the names I would add the LBr MCkinney


Did another mock draft today; had to adjust plans since one of the defensive tackles I drafted, Cory Durden, said he was returning to college. So this is what I wound up with:

1st Round
Pick No. 6: DE Aidan Hutchinson, Michigan
Pick No. 25: OG Ikem Ekwonu, NC State (received from trading pick no. 22 with Cowboys, used to draft S Daxton Hill)

2nd Round
Pick No. 39: LB Brandon Smith, Penn State
Pick No. 56: OT Abraham Lucas, Washington State (received from trading picks no. 7, 56, and 87 with Bills, as well as 2nd round and 5th round for 2023; Bills drafted CB Kaiir Elam)

3rd Round
Pick No. 74: TE Jake Ferguson, Wisconsin
Pick No. 91: RB Zonovan Knight, NC State (received from trading pick no. 70 with Titans; Titans drafted TE Jaheel Billingsly)
Pick No. 94: DT Matthew Butler, Tennessee (received from trading pick no. 87 with Packers)

4th Round
Pick No. 108: LB Henry To'o To'o, Alabama
Pick No. 135: OC Ricky Stromberg, Arkansas (received from Packers trade)
Pick No. 139: DT John Ridgeway, Arkansas (received from Cowboys trade)

5th Round
Pick No. 148: DE Arnold Ebiketie, Penn State
Pick No. 168: TE Charlie Kolar, Iowa State

6th Round:
Pick No. 186: S Sterling Weatherford, Miami of Ohio

7th Round:
Pick No. 226: WR Alec Pierce, Cincinnati

Think I hit most of the places the Giants might need help and to convert the defense: Edges (assuming Graham actually wants to stop the run and rush the passer), three offensive linemen at guard (don't think I want to keep Hernandez), tackle (to replace Solder), and center (if Gates can't get back and if Skura can hold the fort), two linebackers who can cover and tackle, two tight ends who can block and catch, two defensive tackles to rotate with Williams and Lawrence, a power running back to complement Barkley and Booker, a bigger safety to replace Peppers, and a wide receiver to backup Golladay. The only things I didn't address were a cornerback to replace Bradberry and a quarterback to push Jones.


That would be a wet dream type draft. Awesome.
RE: That 1st rd looks unrealistic.  
Angel Eyes : 12/6/2021 9:09 am : link
In comment 15483363 cosmicj said:
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Neither player will be there.

My draft is outdated; the date stamp is from Friday. The board changed on Sunday.
RE: We better have an incredible draft!  
dpinzow : 12/6/2021 9:12 am : link
In comment 15477120 Daniel in Kentucky said:
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We have almost no cap space; and are losing Peppers, Hernandez, Engram, & Carter. A lot of jokes to fill with no money.


If we were ever able to draft well it's not super hard to improve on those players without picking up a free agent
Fire DG and the coaching staff, step 1.  
Jim in Forest Hills : 12/6/2021 9:13 am : link
After new GM is inplace, trade Barkley, Jones, Golladay, Jackson, Bradbury, Ryan, any highly paid vet, get what you can, any draft capital the better.

If the draft unfolds well and they can draft any of Hutch, Thibs or Neal, draft the player. If not, see if a trade partner will be willing to give up a 1st next year. Would like 2-3 1st rd picks next year.

Start Fromm or backup journeyman in 2022 and secure the top pick.

Draft Bryce Young. Start him with Thomas and Neal to protect him. Go from there.
RE: Fire DG and the coaching staff, step 1.  
dpinzow : 12/6/2021 9:20 am : link
In comment 15483397 Jim in Forest Hills said:
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After new GM is inplace, trade Barkley, Jones, Golladay, Jackson, Bradbury, Ryan, any highly paid vet, get what you can, any draft capital the better.

If the draft unfolds well and they can draft any of Hutch, Thibs or Neal, draft the player. If not, see if a trade partner will be willing to give up a 1st next year. Would like 2-3 1st rd picks next year.

Start Fromm or backup journeyman in 2022 and secure the top pick.

Draft Bryce Young. Start him with Thomas and Neal to protect him. Go from there.


I could go along with this. Whoever the new GM is will have a horrible cap situation in 2022

Kenny Golladay is being paid $21 million the next three years (yikes)

Kyle Rudolph is being paid $7.25 million next year

Leonard Williams is being paid $27.3 million next year and $26.3 million in 2023. Good player but that price is crazy

Blake Martinez is being paid $14 million next year. Good player but coming off a major injury so he might not be playing at a high level next year

James Bradberry is being paid almost $22 million next year. Good player but not at that price

Adoree Jackson is being paid $15.5 million in 2022 and $16.5 million in 2023

Logan Ryan is being paid $12.2 million in 2022 and 2023. Good veteran leader, but not on a rebuilding team
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