Rob Sale (OL Coach) says Solder is the better of the two right now. Says Peart is less physical, not finishing, and not playing with a chip on his shoulder.
could be "overdrafted," but given the premium on OT prospects, I think it's just that he's not turning out to be as good as hoped. That happens. The problem with the Giants is, it's happened A LOT, including quite a few first-round picks. The draft isn't an exact science, but the Giants draft like medieval alchemists who think they can turn lead into gold.
his first three years of checks and then retiring. i.e., not interested in being a career NFLer. One thing about Parcells, he knew what buttons to push to get people to improve. Seems to me if the coaches are speaking publicly about this, Peart knows and just doesn't care.
Shame. He has the size and athleticism to get it done.
going into the season. The big issue in not as much the draft it is how did you not see this the first year. I understand players develop but you should see strong signs someone is going to work out imo.
Then you added no one in the draft. One thing concerning with Judge is he says 75% of your roster comes from defense and Special Teams since most ST players are defensive guys and that is carrying over to the draft.
I thought that he looked pretty good in the pre-covid games last year. Really, though, he hasnt been the same since Colombo was fired. Who know, maybe he did something to get a performance out of Peart that DeGugliewhatever and Sale havent been able to. Different players take to different coaching methods.
hook.line, sinker and leader..hope trumping reality. But the word was he worked hard in the offseason and came to camp stronger and hungrier.
A mountain of a man, dwarfs three hundred lber's and still room to grow.
EVery year I thought Guy Whimper was going to put it together and guys like this are "tit teases". or, who knows, maybe there's a personal problem and he'll eventually put it together.
Danny Shelton was another I annointed and another who disappointed. If these bums lived up to their billing this would be a much better football team.
and put flat on your butt is still considered aggressive and physical. Solder is very competent in this move as I have seen it done to him multiple times in every game.
It is unfathomable that Peart is worse then that so I have to assume Solder has naked pictures of Sale!
because from what everyone knows from watching the games, Solder isn't physical and doesn't PLAY with a chip on his shoulder either. He's a long time Vet who's not likely to improve. How about we play the second year guy? Sorry, but it's dumb to keep playing Solder at this point.
They want Peart to win the spot. He was the starter out there on day 1. Clearly he sucks. Is this honestly hard to believe given DGs success with Oline since coming here? Move on. He’s not the answer.
Football is not a main love or priority in his life, apparently.
If you don’t have an ‘edginess ’ in football, you shouldn’t play.
I’ve said it before: there are guys that play football, and there are football players.
Sales description sounds like Peart is the former.
He may do better in a place that uses a finesse blocking scheme.
Hopefully Wilson straightens out, and, we draft 2-3 OL early , after the best available ER.
I like and believe in Bobby Skinner. And he had the kid playing well at the more difficult OLT position.
He was,after all, a reach, a project from a small school and not a football powerhouse,
So many things can impact, from off field issues and so on.
Raw talent counts...athleticism and size counts..maybe as Mark twain once said, "the reports of my death are premature".
He'll be on the roster next year, Solder will not. We will be short on experience at OL heading into this offseason. Very short. Even getting a future swing tackle some experience is more valuable than getting marginally better play out of Solder in a lost season.
I get it that they're trying to motivate but they need to start thinking about more than what's directly in front of them here.
I am surprised it took this long for the back-stabbing
and not finishing. That was the author of the article. However it seems to be a true statement none the less.
You have to follow the link on the article.
Asked what Peart needs to show, Sale said, “More physical.” He left it at that. Later he added it’s a violent game. “Go out there and put your hands around somebody’s neck and freaking choke ‘em. Plain and simple.”
because from what everyone knows from watching the games, Solder isn't physical and doesn't PLAY with a chip on his shoulder either. He's a long time Vet who's not likely to improve. How about we play the second year guy? Sorry, but it's dumb to keep playing Solder at this point.
Agreed. Solder frequently whiffs. Is that being more physical? Is Peart really so lacking in physicality that Solder should be playing instead of him? We also need to see what we have in Peart.
because from what everyone knows from watching the games, Solder isn't physical and doesn't PLAY with a chip on his shoulder either. He's a long time Vet who's not likely to improve. How about we play the second year guy? Sorry, but it's dumb to keep playing Solder at this point.
Agreed. Solder frequently whiffs. Is that being more physical? Is Peart really so lacking in physicality that Solder should be playing instead of him? We also need to see what we have in Peart.
Sale is the coach and sees them every day practice.
hook.line, sinker and leader..hope trumping reality. But the word was he worked hard in the offseason and came to camp stronger and hungrier.
A mountain of a man, dwarfs three hundred lber's and still room to grow.
EVery year I thought Guy Whimper was going to put it together and guys like this are "tit teases". or, who knows, maybe there's a personal problem and he'll eventually put it together.
Danny Shelton was another I annointed and another who disappointed. If these bums lived up to their billing this would be a much better football team.
It's not you, it's those damn Nihilists on the board.
They are so disruptive that good posters like you cannot even think clearly with your predictions on individual players or the team as a whole.
But at least he addressed the issue, which was kind of a gorilla in the room.
People don’t become good because we want them to be.
Huh, who wants what to be? All I was saying was that I am glad Sale at least addressed the issue. I have been wondering for weeks why Peart was not out there and there was zero commentary from the team, now it is at least being talked about.
And we don't have access to anything that happens in practice. We typically hear that something must be happening in practice to convince them Peart isn't ready.
The truth of it is however, that they have both played plenty of snaps in REAL GAMES this year and though it may not be the difference we expected - Peart is better. Otherwise, we would have been at RT and not LT while Thomas was hurt.
I really, really don't understand this. Peart has played OK at times. Solder has been, at times, the worst tackle to take the field in the last 5 years. He literally can't hit players in front of him.
Sorry...I don't care how supposedly tough Peart is, he should play. Is he the future? Don't know. But he could at least play now. Sorry...still doesn't make sense.
I like and believe in Bobby Skinner. And he had the kid playing well at the more difficult OLT position.
He was,after all, a reach, a project from a small school and not a football powerhouse,
So many things can impact, from off field issues and so on.
Raw talent counts...athleticism and size counts..maybe as Mark twain once said, "the reports of my death are premature".
In what way is that clear?
Jonathan Ogden?
Shame. He has the size and athleticism to get it done.
Then you added no one in the draft. One thing concerning with Judge is he says 75% of your roster comes from defense and Special Teams since most ST players are defensive guys and that is carrying over to the draft.
and then 2yrs later if the guy was good u see him on another team.
A mountain of a man, dwarfs three hundred lber's and still room to grow.
EVery year I thought Guy Whimper was going to put it together and guys like this are "tit teases". or, who knows, maybe there's a personal problem and he'll eventually put it together.
Danny Shelton was another I annointed and another who disappointed. If these bums lived up to their billing this would be a much better football team.
I wish he was Will Beatty
It is unfathomable that Peart is worse then that so I have to assume Solder has naked pictures of Sale!
If you don’t have an ‘edginess ’ in football, you shouldn’t play.
I’ve said it before: there are guys that play football, and there are football players.
Sales description sounds like Peart is the former.
He may do better in a place that uses a finesse blocking scheme.
Hopefully Wilson straightens out, and, we draft 2-3 OL early , after the best available ER.
Another wasted 3rd round draft pick.
Another lousy offensive lineman.
Chronic, nasty habit the giANTS can’t seem to kick.
He was,after all, a reach, a project from a small school and not a football powerhouse,
So many things can impact, from off field issues and so on.
Raw talent counts...athleticism and size counts..maybe as Mark twain once said, "the reports of my death are premature".
I get it that they're trying to motivate but they need to start thinking about more than what's directly in front of them here.
Whoever's been doing the OL scouting has to go WITH Gettleman, or they'll never fix the OL.
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NYG OL like James Brewer, Guy Whimper, etc. Just great.
Jonathan Ogden?
Nope. Will Beatty.
You have to follow the link on the article.
Asked what Peart needs to show, Sale said, “More physical.” He left it at that. Later he added it’s a violent game. “Go out there and put your hands around somebody’s neck and freaking choke ‘em. Plain and simple.”
Solder's good at blocking Booker.
Agreed. Solder frequently whiffs. Is that being more physical? Is Peart really so lacking in physicality that Solder should be playing instead of him? We also need to see what we have in Peart.
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because from what everyone knows from watching the games, Solder isn't physical and doesn't PLAY with a chip on his shoulder either. He's a long time Vet who's not likely to improve. How about we play the second year guy? Sorry, but it's dumb to keep playing Solder at this point.
Agreed. Solder frequently whiffs. Is that being more physical? Is Peart really so lacking in physicality that Solder should be playing instead of him? We also need to see what we have in Peart.
Sale is the coach and sees them every day practice.
How can anyone think they know better than Sale?
A mountain of a man, dwarfs three hundred lber's and still room to grow.
EVery year I thought Guy Whimper was going to put it together and guys like this are "tit teases". or, who knows, maybe there's a personal problem and he'll eventually put it together.
Danny Shelton was another I annointed and another who disappointed. If these bums lived up to their billing this would be a much better football team.
It's not you, it's those damn Nihilists on the board.
They are so disruptive that good posters like you cannot even think clearly with your predictions on individual players or the team as a whole.
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But at least he addressed the issue, which was kind of a gorilla in the room.
People don’t become good because we want them to be.
Huh, who wants what to be? All I was saying was that I am glad Sale at least addressed the issue. I have been wondering for weeks why Peart was not out there and there was zero commentary from the team, now it is at least being talked about.
The truth of it is however, that they have both played plenty of snaps in REAL GAMES this year and though it may not be the difference we expected - Peart is better. Otherwise, we would have been at RT and not LT while Thomas was hurt.
I really, really don't understand this. Peart has played OK at times. Solder has been, at times, the worst tackle to take the field in the last 5 years. He literally can't hit players in front of him.
Sorry...I don't care how supposedly tough Peart is, he should play. Is he the future? Don't know. But he could at least play now. Sorry...still doesn't make sense.
He was,after all, a reach, a project from a small school and not a football powerhouse,
So many things can impact, from off field issues and so on.
Raw talent counts...athleticism and size counts..maybe as Mark twain once said, "the reports of my death are premature".
He was a reach?
Weird, since you compared him to Jonathan Ogden.